Kanye West
808s and Heartbreak


1.5
very poor

Review

by heyseuss USER (7 Reviews)
December 3rd, 2008 | 87 replies


Release Date: 2008 | Tracklist

Review Summary: Are those really the lyrics?

My ears have a bizarre relationship with the work of Mr. West. As a producer, Kanye is quite musical - thats obvious even with 808s, I also recommend you check out some of my personal favorites which are the song 'Angel' on Game's LAX album and 'Lucifer' on Jay-Z's Black Album. Listening to those two beats it is clear that Kanye has a knack for at least one side of the hip-hop spectrum, producing some of the most classic beats mainstream rap has ever heard. But the question is, as a rapper, if you are so in-tune with your ability to produce tracks can't you mesh them with fitting lyrics if you know the beats so well? The pen is not Kanye's strong point and even though he may think so he is feeding himself with an illusion. Even so if one is ignorant to their weaknesses, those flaws eventually find a way into the ignorant persons expressive work if they make any. Now, singing is a totally different story for the famed rapper. He hasn't exactly showcased any talent in the area in the past, and since his discovery of the Auto-Tuner he hasn't exactly had to. I've seen people use voice effects in studios before, they can make the worst singer in the world into a regular Christina Aguilera if necessary. But that lasts for one track maybe, with prolonged listening it becomes obvious that effects have been used and the singers efforts loose the organic feel they had at first.

I couldn't put it any better than I just did, 808s and Heartbreak starts off very promising (who in hell doesn't like that Welcome to Heartbreak beat? Maybe I'm just a sucker for the violin) and throughout the album its clear that Kanye was on a one-way road the entire time he was recording the album. It feels rushed; all of the beats share a robotic, calculated feel to them. I know Kanye's production very well and I can tell you if he spent not even a month longer in the studio he could have produced something ten times the magnitude of this. The songs rely on bass-heavy, dreamy beats with extremely manufactured vocal work. The song he does with Lil' Wayne is very disappointing and is a perfect example of a basic tune with no substance, entirely relying on computerized effects to give it the emotional feel that it has. Weezy's lyrics are hardly enough to save the song, while they are decent they still sound too much like Kanye's vocals to really add any outside substance to the track.

The saddest thing a front-man (or woman) can do to their band is waste the instrumental work with lackluster vocals. Since Kanye on this album is essentially a one-man band, he has a responsibility to put the puzzle-pieces together by himself. Awesome beats are absolutely no excuse to lazily spew some meaningless love-song words and call it a song. A song has a soul, and while the creator of the songs may not share that aspect, the song itself can be a metaphor for something much bigger and cathartic than it already is. Kanye typically fills his notepads with interesting insight to the inner workings of a revered yet troubled figure in one of the biggest businesses on the planet. On 808s, the beats begin the songs with hype-sounds that have the listener expecting something quite epic to knock against their eardrums for the next few minutes. Alas, Mr. West could just as easily had a fourteen year old boy who has recently experienced a breakup with his first girlfriend write his lyrics for him. So in the lyrical department, 808s is shamefully disappointing.

Of course, its a Kanye West album, there are highlights. Streetlights is a masterpiece in the realm of 808s and executes the musical style I believe Kanye was truly searching for after the death of his mother. Speaking of his mother's death I suppose that could be a very strong influence on 808s and its harmonized style of futuristic pop. Coldest Winter was apparently dedicated to her and if she was in fact a large influence on this album then it is clear in this song, as it is without a doubt the best song on the CD and probably the best song Kanye has ever released. Its drumming is intoxicating as much as the audibly heartfelt singing is, despite the use of the Auto-Tune Kanye pulls off a gem. Heartless is another song I could see myself replaying in the future - interesting piano and flute effects, and while the vocals are as robotic as they are on the rest of the album the singing is spectacularly rhythmic on this song.

Kanye has always been pop-sensible and radio-friendly, however 808s and Heartbreak is nothing but a pop album. His past work is hardly as mopey and depressing as this is, and I find that Kanye doesn't belong in such a musical realm. What happened to 'The Good Life' and 'Touch The Sky', 'Homecoming' and 'All Falls Down'? Kanye is a soulful rapper who can make an already uplifting beat into an anthem...if he's rapping. He must face the fact that if one cannot already sing, filling the unexperienced void with artificial effects is lying to your musical self. Check out Pinocchio Story at the end of this album; live Kanye exemplifies his inability to sing and while the fans still eat it up, it should be eating him up on the inside. 808s would have better served itself as a few singles, Kanye West is very confused.



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Comments:Add a Comment 
robin
December 3rd 2008


4596 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

i'll check this out

PunkItUp
December 3rd 2008


207 Comments


why is everyone "Mr. West" and "Ms. Spears" and what not these days?

henceforth i would like to be known as Mr. Up

this is a good album. nothing "awful" about it

This Message Edited On 12.03.08

heyseuss
December 3rd 2008


384 Comments


Oh my, there are several awful aspects of a musical lie.

Bleak123
December 3rd 2008


1900 Comments


good review, i feel kanye isn't as good as he's made out to be so :thumb:

PunkItUp
December 3rd 2008


207 Comments


nor is this album as bad as its made out to be in this review. so...This Message Edited On 12.03.08

NewYorkZoo
December 3rd 2008


95 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

"Kanye has always been pop-sensible and radio-friendly, however 808s and Heartbreak is nothing but a pop album."




In my personal opinion, I think this album has made me seriously think about the way we forcefully categorize music. In which, yes, 90 percent of the time, is obvious and blatant. But with this CD, i find its genre irrelevant just because it's [that] different. just my thoughts, though...

Bleak123
December 3rd 2008


1900 Comments


nor is this album as bad as its made out to be in this review. so...

you can't just neg him because he has a different opinion on the album you douche. it's a well enough written review so to balance out that unnecessary neg, have a pos

Tyler
Emeritus
December 3rd 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

"Kanye has always been pop-sensible and radio-friendly, however 808s and Heartbreak is nothing but a pop album."


So?

heyseuss
December 3rd 2008


384 Comments


PunkItUp: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

Yeah Zoo, I don't even consider it a rap album as much as a pop album but my big beef is that his fans and critics are all like, 'new age of hip-hop teh lolzz??'.

Bleak123
December 3rd 2008


1900 Comments


Quote:
"Kanye has always been pop-sensible and radio-friendly, however 808s and Heartbreak is nothing but a pop album."


So?


agree on this howeverThis Message Edited On 12.03.08

PunkItUp
December 3rd 2008


207 Comments


you can't just neg him because he has a different opinion on the album you douche. it's a well enough written review so to balance out that unnecessary neg, have a pos

wow thats real presumptuous you poopy head

i didn't neg him. i never neg a review. EVER

if i don't like it i just mosey on down the road :smoke:

its not my style

wow what an arrogant a hole

plus i'll do as i damn well please you poop!
This Message Edited On 12.03.08

Tyler
Emeritus
December 3rd 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Yeah Zoo, I don't even consider it a rap album as much as a pop album but my big beef is that his fans and critics are all like, 'new age of hip-hop teh lolzz??'.


So?

withintention
December 3rd 2008


297 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

You're missing the point of the album, it's not supposed to have amazing lyrics. He went into another realm completely and did a damn good job of it. The way I listen to the album, puts the lyrics in the background, and I have them as a tie in.



But decent review nonetheless, although you mentioned lyrics far too much.

heyseuss
December 3rd 2008


384 Comments


So, if you care about the true nature of hip-hop and understand its initial purposes then to have this redefine the genre is an unspeakable crime. And the thing is, everybody knows that Kanye can make a good beat, its his lyrics that I look out for because in the past they have always been enlightening in their own way. If your gonna 'go into a different realm' with your music, it would be intelligent to also do that with your lyrics.This Message Edited On 12.03.08

Bleak123
December 3rd 2008


1900 Comments


nothing about my post was arrogant PunkItUp, although if you didn't neg i apologise for my premature assumption. i based it on the fact that after you posted "nor is this album as bad as its made out to be in this review. so..." then a neg appeared. and srsly dont call anyone a poop ever again unless you're under the age of 10 or high on crack
This Message Edited On 12.03.08

PunkItUp
December 3rd 2008


207 Comments


poop

/is on crack

Tyler
Emeritus
December 3rd 2008


7927 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

heyseuss from the sounds of it you're reviewing this as a pissed off teenager who takes other people's opinions seriously and just wants to prove a point more than anything. If I care about the true nature of hip-hop? What? Understand its initial purposes? What the fuck. Condescending and an idiot. Congrats.

PunkItUp
December 3rd 2008


207 Comments


drop us some wisdom on "the true nature" of hip hop. i am in the dark

heyseuss
December 3rd 2008


384 Comments



heyseuss from the sounds of it you're reviewing this as a pissed off teenager who takes other people's opinions seriously and just wants to prove a point more than anything. If I care about the true nature of hip-hop? What? Understand its initial purposes? What the ****. Condescending and an idiot. Congrats.


I'm not pissed off at anybody but Kanye, and proving a point is typically what people go for when they review somebodies creative work. I'm sure if I wrote this without trying to make a point you'd have something to pick at too. And hip-hop is more than music, if you can't comprehend that then you should really study up on the subject. Hip-hop is not as straightforward with emotion - as I said in the review a song is a metaphorical being, and in hip-hop the metaphor is regarded as sacred, and on 808s the metaphor is completely disregarded aside from some cool song titles.This Message Edited On 12.03.08

SnackaryBinx
December 3rd 2008


2309 Comments

Album Rating: 3.0

lol, telling Cocaine to study up on something.



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