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Thrice
If We Could Only See Us Now


4.0
excellent

Review

by Coup__D_Etat USER (2 Reviews)
May 1st, 2005 | 38 replies


Release Date: 2005 | Tracklist


Thrice Are
: Dustin Kensrue (Vox, Rhytmn Guitar)
: Teppei Teranishi (Lead Guitar)
: Riley Breckenridge (Drums)
: Eddie Breckenridge (Bass)

Thrice formed in 1998 after meeting up as schoolfriends and through mutual friends. Since then they have released 3 albums - The hardcore punk inspired 'Identity Crisis,' the more intense 'The Illusion Of Safety' that pointed towards their metal influences and most recently the melodic yet heavy 'Artist In The Ambulance' (not including their first demo, 'First Impressions.') Thanks to their varied influences and unique lyrical ability (Dustin likes to quote C.S Lewis in his songs)its pretty hard to categorise Thrices sound, so yeah, if i call them Melodic Hardcore and you dont think to please dont hold that against me =) Plus Tthis is my 1st review, so tell me how it goes :)

This is Thrice's newest CD out to date, and its primarily made up of B-Sides, Acoustics and Live cuts, as well as coming with a 200+ min DVD of Thrice's ercent adventures over the years. I'm just going to look at the CD that comes with this set in this review (since my DVD player has bust :(( )

Track By Track:

1) Eclipse: This song was found on a variety of Artist In The Ambulance Imports, along with 'Motion Isn't Meaning.' Its not a bad song however, with an inncoent 3 note lead riff leading into some chunky rhytmn playing and screamy yells by Dustin. From the screamed verse comes a more melodic pre-chorus, leading into the singing chorus of
'For centuries we watched the sky
And burned to bridge the great divide'
In my opinion the higlight of this song is the outro, where Dustin sings powerfully as Teppei lays down a snazzy tapped riff over the top. This song reminds me of 'The Melting Point Of Wax' off TAITA, the lyrical style is pretty similar, with imagery of Apollo being blown out of the sky. Maybe its the lead by Teppei that bring back those memories too.
4/5

2) Motion Isn't Meaning: Yup, another B-Side off TAITA, pretty different overall when compared to Eclipse though. The intro starts staight off with some Drop C riffing, before both guitarist lay down some single note runs underneath Dustins Vocals. Teppeis then builds up to a nice high pitched run that builds an epic feel. The chorus is pretty simple, although soe of the lyrics sound forced ('Its Just Another Drug') plus they seem slightly straightforward when compared to many other Thrice songs ('You Tell Me That You Want To Stop The War') Screamy Outro.....Nice, I like Dustins Screams :)
3.5/5

3) Stare At The Sun (Acoustic)
Wow.....really good. Follows the same lyrical and melodic structure as the original, with some nice harmonies between Dustin and Teppei. As a studio song strings are present throughout most of the song, especially when the bridge comes in at the high elad rus by Teppei in the originl are replaced by the strings. Awesome... if You like acoustics
5/5

4) Cold Cash and Colder Hearts (Live At Apple Store)
Yeah this was originally a heavy song... kind off original to turn it into an acoustic.Teppie appears to lay down some short little classical licks in the background too, which are quite a nice touch. The only thing that doesnt appeal to me about this song is the sung outro, where the orignal used to feature Dustin screaming his arse off. Its good. Just not 5.5 good.
3.5/5

5) The Artist In The Ambulance (Live At The Apple Store)
The Title track of TAITA and recorded at the same set as CCACH, this song continues the acoustic run on this album. Kidas can be heard singing on this track, which is pretty cool. The same track structure as the original, with the anthemic palm muting parts adding tension keeps the song flowing. Teppei's original effecty lead part is present, but from what i can hear it is played by the bass, allowing a nice effect under the two acoustics.
4.5/5

6) Eleanor Rigby
Thrice covering the Beatles i hear you say..? Its pretty good, with Dustin restraining his screams to the final choruses. The overall effect of this song is nice, with palm muted rhytmns building into nice distorted sections, and the birdge using nice chord stabs beneath Teppei's usual widdlyness :) its good. The outro grew on me, first time around i thought it went on a bit long, but with the buildup of effects over octave chords the song kinda opened up to me. Whether its a flanger or what i dunno, but its cool.
4/5

7) Send Me An Angel
Im not really a fan of this song. It was originally a cover off the 'Punk Goes Pop' cd, and despite having some nice delayed leads and harmonics by Teppei. the real letdown on here is the lyrics. Fair does, its a cover, but they don't sound great on a Thrice track. But a duel lead line running up to a tasty solo kinda redeems the song in the end.
3/5

8) That Hideous Strength
Possibly the heaviest Thrice song I've hear. Its a nice juxtaposition coming after the poppiest. Busting straight in with Dustin screaming over chugged and detuned power chords this is pretty much a hardcore song (don't start critising here...its hard to categorise any Thrice song) The small 15 second singing part does lighten up the song in that respect, but then the screaming comes back. But nothing bad with that, it sounds awesome. Teppei even pulls out a tapping solo out of the bag, with Dustin screaming for a while over the top. It might take people a while to get sued to this, but its really good. (That hideous Strength is also the name of a piece by C.S Lewis, one of Dustins favourite fantasy authors)
4/5

9) So STrange I Remember You (Live)
Anyone who's heard 'The Illusion Of Safety,' IMO Thrices best release, will know this song. Its pretty different though, and from the moment Dustin says 'This is an old one we've taken some liberties with' over the top of an Organ (!) you can tell the difference. For the first half of the song the original lead guitar by Teppei is covered by an Organ, and it sounds ***ing awesome. When all the music cuts out and Dustin sings the 2nd verse tension bulds uo greatly, before bursting back in with the organ, clean rhytmn guitar and bass. The drums also come in strongly here as well. The bridge see Teppei swapping roles once again and taking the guitar, chugging away at the riffs, before the organ leads back into the breakdown. Teppei plays a longer version of this than in the original, building up the song greatly before the band come back in with the final outro, where Teppei plays his guitar solo at a slower poace than the original, but giving it an epic feel, espeically as Dustin sings his heart out. Wow. It'll take some of the hardcore Thrice fans a while to get used to this i expect, but it does sound really good after a few listens
5/5

Yeah, so this is a wide bunch of songs, but as a B-Side disk its pretty cool, offereing the listener a different view of Thrice. Some of the lyrics are pretty lacking, but the musical variety of the album brings it back forward, offereing the listener a journey from heavyness to acoustic, the back again. Not really for those new to Thrice, more of an album for the fans.

overall it gets 4/5, but new listeners should check out the metally 'Illusion of Safety' or the more melodic 'Artist in the Ambulance'


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3.7
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CSG290
May 2nd 2005


2 Comments


man thrice is my favorite band i love all their cd's im definalty gonna check this out

204409
Emeritus
May 2nd 2005


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

You're an idiot. The Illusion of Safety was clearly more hardcore derived than the more metal leaning Artist in the Ambulance. The reason you think it's "more melodic" is that when they venture into pop punk they really latch on hard ("The Artist in the Ambulance" and "All That's Left").



Decent review though. You just seem to not know what you're talking about that much. Saying the songs are lyrically weak is dumb because two of the songs are covers, many of the songs are old ones, and they are B-sides. There's a reason that they were left out of the albums. They are inherently inferior so to complain about that is just retarded.

Coup__D_Etat
May 2nd 2005


65 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Hey DFelon.....yeah cheers for the comments, it is my first review, so feel free to give me improvements





Coup__D_Etat
May 2nd 2005


65 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

When i said metal, i was mainly focusing on the guitar styles from that album.As a guitarist I've learnt most Thrice songs and the stylistic elements are pretty clear to see, but as always theres a bunch of influences going on through most Thrice songs, be it Hardcore, Emo, Metal or Pop-Punk. Listen to Teppei's guitar work on some of the tracks ("A Subtle Dagger") and say that there is not an inherant metal influence . Throughout the track review I've tried to stay clear of genre conflicts, since pages like these often tend to get spammed up by these, and by saying TAITA was more melodic is probably true, with a lot more coherant harmonies taking the fore-but after all, its just music, and we don't all want to get hung up arguing over something we all mutually love.

Coup__D_Etat
May 2nd 2005


65 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

And yeah they are B-sides.....so obviously there was things about the songs that deemed them unsuitable or under-par in quality compared to the others off the album. Its not saying that they aren't good songs, and to be honest I prefer 'Eclipse' of a few songs off TAITA.

And I probably am an idiot...so the more comments to help me get on track the better thanks

Shattered_Future
May 2nd 2005


1629 Comments


Decent review.

I dunno...it seems kind of a waste of money to buy a 9 track album, most of which are already on other albums (abelit different versions).

Stare At The Sun has to be one of the best Thrice songs ever...its just freaking amazing.

Coup__D_Etat
May 2nd 2005


65 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Yeah Shattered_Future, i see your point there.....i got this for £13.99 in HMV which was a pretty decent deal really, and since the main feature of this is the DVD with the live cuts, videos, and 2 hour documentry thingymebob it kinda makes up for the lack of new material. New album out in August though (or so ive heard) which should be pretty interesting.



Just depends on how hardcore a fan you are really......



And the Stare At The Sun acoustic blew me away =D

204409
Emeritus
May 2nd 2005


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Ya sorry to be a douche but anyways...I can play the guitar parts as well. I'm going to disagree again. Listen to "A Subtle Dagger." There's a splash of metal going on, I do agree. It's because of the speed of the riffs and the fact that they are riffs. Although, the form is a sort of sped up breakdown. You have open chugging followed by the higher riff that's based off of a dimished chord. That idea is repeated later in the song after the sort of solo break and "look beyond ourselves these empty..." That breakdown screams hardcore all the way and leaves the song as a whole decidedly hardcore. Hardcore is mostly based in the idea of breakdowns and taking punk and making it more abrasive. The Illusion of Safety is that but with more melodic ventures.

204409
Emeritus
May 2nd 2005


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

post from above cont...



TAITA follows a band that does a lot of double bass drumming and hammer and pull off guitar riffs like on "Under a Killing Moon" and "Paper Tigers" and a lot of chugging, almost nu-metal chord progressions like on "Cold Cash and Colder Hearts" and "Silhouette." All in all you just need to listen for more than guitar and also understand genres better. You thought Thrice had emo in their music when they obviously do not. You should go to the emo section of sputnik, which is misplaced in alt/indie and check out the bands there, namely Hot Cross and Circle Takes the Square.

Coup__D_Etat
May 3rd 2005


65 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Yeah man, after a couple of listens to a few of those songs i can see just what you mean about the 'sped up breakdowns' and the pull off licks in stuff like 'Under A Killing Moon,' and the more i listen to some of the IOS the more i see what you mean about the hardcore styles at work, especially in stuff like the outro in 'Betrayal...' and 'To Awake and Avenge...'



And Emo.....fuck.....these days it's so hard to misinterpret genres. These days I listen to shedloads of bands, pity I know nothing about the genres of them....spesh with all the misinterpretted gernes so commonly used. Stuff like Trophy Scars.....what would you class them as?? Post Hardcore??

cbmartinez
May 3rd 2005


2525 Comments


I used that same argument about TIOS being more metal. But I realized, while it's not more metal, it does seem heavier to me. It's more chaotic which made it sound like a harder album. Good review though.

pixiesfanyo
May 3rd 2005


1223 Comments


Eleanor Rigby cover owns.

204409
Emeritus
May 4th 2005


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Trophy Scars is a sick band. I'm glad you have heard of them. They're really ambiguous in terms of genre. They're definitely post-hardcore but arguably emo. I reviewed their album if you want to read the review. It should be in the hardcore section. I'm thinking about moving it to emo because it sort of fits. The thing is they focus more on musical experimentation around the hardcore root instead of emotional/artistic elaboration around the hardcore root. That's why I tend to not include them in the emo category althought they do do a lot of similar things to emo bands.

Coup__D_Etat
May 5th 2005


65 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Yeahh, saw your review a while back, thats what got me into them ^_^ You went into a helluva lot of detail through that, really good stuff.

I like the way they sound so original, and the way they build up emotion is awesome. Now if only they would come to the UK soon =/

204409
Emeritus
May 13th 2005


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Ya they're definitely a good live show. If they can get signed this summer maybe by Fearless or somebody else then they may make it out to Europe. That or they could tour with CTTS who have gone out there.

cbmartinez
May 13th 2005


2525 Comments


I doubt they would sign to Fearless and I highly doubt they would tour with CTTS.

204409
Emeritus
July 23rd 2005


3998 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Well, they're on The Death Scene now. Lame sauce.

Justanothernimrod
July 27th 2005


478 Comments


good review..

you from the biffy forums man?

Coup__D_Etat
July 28th 2005


65 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Cheers man... ummm, I don't remember being in the Biffy forums, but I have been gettin into them a bit lately, so I might have popped in...

spoon_of_grimbo
November 5th 2005


2241 Comments


this is a great album, but theres more rarities knocking about that they didnt include. "lockstep" for one, and iv heard of one called "madman", as well as the whole of first impressions, seeing as its pretty hard to get hold of now. this could have been so much more...

stare at the sun acoustic is fucking awe-inspiring though.



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