The Smashing Pumpkins
Zeitgeist


4.0
excellent

Review

by MoonlightBleeding USER (18 Reviews)
November 13th, 2007 | 21 replies


Release Date: 2007 | Tracklist

Review Summary: Zeitgeist's Re-Release adds three excellent songs, fixes some track lineup miscues, and also proves that Zeitgeist only gets better with time.

Since Zeitgeist’s disappointing original release, most people have a basic understanding that Smashing Pumpkins are back. Whether Zeitgeist is actually Smashing Pumpkins is up for discussion-as the only people behind the recording process were Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin (who also recorded together with Zwan and Corgan’s solo project). This simple fact causes a lot of friction between Pumpkins fans-some say that this is only Zwan Part II, some say it’s a solo album, and some say it’s Smashing Pumpkins.

Me? I say it’s Smashing Pumpkins. Billy Corgan basically recorded all of Siamese Dream by himself. Siamese Dream just happens to be Corgan’s most accomplished work, as well. So, naturally, why is Zeitgeist not a Smashing Pumpkins record? The Pumpkins are Corgan, always will be and always have been. But actually looking at Zeitgeist’s original release, I was quite disappointed. No, I didn’t expect an extension of Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, or MACHINA: The Machines of God. I expected a good album with some personality, all of which Zeitgeist originally lacked. Billy Corgan had officially become a washed-up superstar after Zeitgeist’s release, it seemed…no different than the Rolling Stones or the Eagles.

But wait! Yet another version of Zeitgeist has hit the shelves (only at Best Buy). Compiling all of Zeitgeist’s popular B-sides, adding a new unreleased track, and switching the track lineup around, this version of Zeitgeist was billed as a re-release. As much as I hate cheap re-releases and special editions, I’ve always said Zeitgeist would be better with Stellar and Death From Above on the album. Billy Corgan’s done just that, released an album with Stellar, Death From Above, a new track Ma Belle, and switched Neverlost’s track placement. The vocals still are terrible, but these three new tracks and a simple movement of a track has made Zeitgeist leaps and bounds better than it was before.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve started to see the greatness in the overuse of vocal layering, the melting guitar sounds of 7 Shades of Black, and the oddities of Pomp and Circumstance. It could just be me, but I feel, like Queen’s multiple masterpieces, the album grows on you with time. Zeitgeist had grown to a 3.5 before the re-release. Suddenly, it’s right up there with Pumpkins classics like Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. Is that possible? The Pumpkins are a legitimate band once again? Twelve years after the last really popular Pumpkins album, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness? Most definitely.

The album is still a straight-forward rock album, but the tracks suddenly have a bit more of a personality. Stellar, for example, explores a heavily atmospheric, cheerful tone never experimented by the inconsistent sound of the Pumpkins. Stellar sounds nothing like the Pumpkins have ever done, and pulls it off in one of the band’s best tracks. Finally, the band is doing more than 3-minute tracks led by repetitive riffs (*cough* Doomsday Clock *cough*), and innovating while sounding really, really good. Ma Belle is yet another breath of fresh air in Pumpkins’ latest sound explorations. Taking the atmospheric riffs of Stellar, Ma Belle turns into a highly addictive, atmospheric pop anthem. Death From Above takes a TheFutureEmbrace-like riff, embracing Siamese Dream-like vocals, and Adore-like depth and makes a moving, upbeat, rhythmic track that proves the ‘B-sides’ were better than most of the stuff on the album.

After sitting on the original tracks for months has opened my mind and eyes. Corgan’s vocal performances are still lacking, but suddenly the vocal layering doesn’t seem so outrageous to me. My recent re-obsession with Queen possibly has granted me a new look on Baker’s trademark vocal layering, but it honestly adds a whole level of depth and perfection to Zeitgeist’s mix. Doomsday Clock’s riffs are a bit too straight-forward and repetitive, but I’ve developed a deep appreciation for the track’s surprising depth and quality, due to it’s gritty, rough guitars and strange song structures. 7 Shades of Black has a truly excellent grungy, dark sound which sounds as if molting acid was poured on the amps, highly distorting the sound and sucking all brightness from the song, while Bring the Light makes me go down Nostalgia Avenue with a riff as cheery, upbeat, and a rhythm as addicting as Today from Siamese Dream. Or, if you're more of an Adore/MACHINA-era Pumpkins fan (like myself), you'll really enjoy For God and Country and Pomp and Circumstances. These tracks experiment to the fullest extent of the word, and push alternative rock to it's edge, relying on The Flaming Lips' like electronics or amazingly loud bass.

The album also came with a Special Edition DVD: Inside the Zeitgeist and the music videos for Tarantula and That's the Way (My Love Is). If your a Pumpkins geek like me, you'll eat up all of the delightful insight into the album's recording process, even if I don't agree that this is some of their best material recorded and that this is the best band they've been in. Corgan's appearance is also laughable, the 'Oompa Loompa outfit' is throughout much of the video, and he also speaks in his strange stoner/poetic ways, making it tough to understand. Still, it is fun to see them explain how they got the band back together and them putting the pieces of the legendary 90s band back together.

Also included in the Special Edition DVD is two music videos, Tarantula and That's the Way (My Love Is). The video for Tarantula has a psychedelic edge, but seems really boring and as if it goes absolutely nowhere. The video has a Cherub Rock type spice to it, but Corgan's atrocious outfit and the poor psychedelic effects are the downfall of the video. The song is still amazing, and provides quality enjoyment even if you can't get past the video. The video for That's the Way (My Love Is), on the other hand, awesome. They returned to their artistic music video styles, and take a dreamy Tonight, Tonight style approach showcasing a futuristic world with a bit of old-world charm which starts with Corgan meeting the band, and then at the end the band begins jamming on top of a floating platform. The video is actually quite engaging and interesting, and definitely is the best video of the two from the Zeitgeist era.

Unfortunately, as excellent as 7 Shades of Black, Stellar, Ma Belle, and Pomp and Circumstances may be, the album still is a bit repetitive, Zwan-ish at moments, and a bit desperate. The guitar layering is fairly absent as well, as outside of a few tracks like That's the Way (My Love Is), and Starz, the layering is completely relinquished in favor for shallow riffs and aggressive drumming. Chamberlin also plays like he's never before, often leading the pack, and coming off more impressive than Corgan's riffs and vocals, at times furiously drumming all by himself (United States). Still, the tracks scream that Billy’s trying his hardest to get noticed, spewing out cheesy lyrics like, “…Don’t you know we cannot die? We are Starz! We are Starz!” Basically Corgan’s trying to shove it down your throat that he’s not washed up at all, and he’s still putting out really insignificant, pointless, and horribly poetic lyrics…no better than “Despite all my rage I’m still just a rat in a cage!”.

Zeitgeist is a well-developed record with potential. Well-written songs, good intentions, and yet another style to the Pumpkins ever-changing sound has developed with Zeitgeist. While it’s easily the most straight-forward Pumpkins record, it’s also the hardest to decode, and definitely a grower. It’s not perfect, nor is it terrible. It’s tough, and a challenge altogether, and shines gloriously at moments, and falters at others (Doomsday Clock, the seemingly ‘unfinished’ Neverlost), but seems as if Corgan poured his heart into Zeitgeist, relinquishing all of the frustrations of Zwan and TheFutureEmbrace into 12, 13, or in this case, 15 tracks of pure Pumpkin bliss.



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    A good, straightforward rock record. Nothing more; nothing less....

    angelfyre (2)
    A feeble attempt at a groundbreaking rock reunion...

    BlindWriting (4)
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    JohnXDoesn't (3.5)
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    Freddy Thomas (4.5)
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  • red0 (1.5)
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Comments:Add a Comment 
botb
November 14th 2007


19797 Comments


Billy Corgan's voice gets on my nerves so much. I was never much into the grungy scene though anyway. Good review though!

rasputin
November 14th 2007


14968 Comments


I can't seem to get into this new album, but I'm going to keep trying!

MoonlightBleeding
November 14th 2007


452 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I'm sorry, but the Pumpkins strayed away from the grunge scene in my opinion. Maybe Gish, but...

joshuatree
Emeritus
November 14th 2007


3746 Comments


Hey why the fuck is this getting a re-release?

MoonlightBleeding
November 14th 2007


452 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Three new tracks, more $

joshuatree
Emeritus
November 14th 2007


3746 Comments


more $


Because Billy Corgan's so poor.This Message Edited On 11.13.07

ColdDamnation
November 14th 2007


159 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

deffinitely some of the best mainstream music around. I've got to hear Ma Belle.



I also didn't like this album very much until I relized that I kept constantly coming back to listen to it again and again and that there must be a reason for that...This Message Edited On 11.13.07

ColdDamnation
November 14th 2007


159 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Ma Belle's pretty cool, should've been on here originaly

MoonlightBleeding
November 14th 2007


452 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Definitely should have been on here originally.



And, yeah, I agree that it's an album that you say you don't like, but continue to listen more and more.This Message Edited On 11.13.07

BlindWriting
December 12th 2007


103 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Ehhh, this track reorder isn't very smart.



Death From Above is an awful song by any standards and is especially weak when

it follows United States. The song Zeitgeist is a great b-side but wouldn't work in

any track ordering, so it makes sense that they didn't include it, I guess.



They definitely had no reason to do something like this. Stellar should have been

included to begin with, and would have worked perfectly in between United States

and Neverlost, thus strengthening the album's center. I haven't heard Ma Belle but

by the sounds of it it could have easily replaced For God and Country on the final

track listing.



My two cents. Unnecessary re-release for an oddly strong album. Plus, this

completely nullifies the needless "four versions" that they put out at chain

retailers.



Bleghhh...This Message Edited On 12.11.07This Message Edited On 12.11.07

HailToTheThief
May 13th 2008


144 Comments


this review was written pretty professionally. it was a little long but i liked it overall.

HailToTheThief
May 13th 2008


144 Comments


eh i forgot to ask though, what's with the zwan bashing? also i've always liked the psychedelic side of Corgan. it was with the band since the beginning in songs like rhinoceroses so it's not like they are stretching. i admit the energy with the band just isn't there anymore, but songs like tarantula and united states are still great.

Lungingweasel
June 7th 2008


46 Comments


Well written review.

I definitely agree; Zietgeist is tough. After listening to it for all this time, and seeing them live, I'm still not sure I like it.

But I am happy about one thing.
(The Pumpkins are back =P)

moltenlava
July 4th 2008


312 Comments


I finally got around to this. Great fun. Although, you can tell that Corgan has lost his ability to generate those two or more big radio songs that he was able to churn out like clockwork in the early days. Still, a much better effort than what they left off with 'Machina'.



weepingwillowdown
August 19th 2008


29 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Billy has the most most beautiful voice in the world.

rasputin
October 12th 2008


14968 Comments


roflmao

Captain North
October 12th 2008


6793 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

this album blows. A re-release ain't gonna make it better.This Message Edited On 10.12.08

Fuff24
December 11th 2009


1120 Comments


this is what happens when a fanboy reviews a band

PuddlesPuddles
December 11th 2009


4798 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Great album to drum to

EVedder27
December 11th 2009


6088 Comments


its pretty terrible I haven't heard this yet. Even if it isn't supposed to be any good.



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