OmairSh
02.23.20 | Bernie crushing in Nevada so far |
Kompys2000
02.23.20 | Feelin the bern rn but Imma see how much bank I can make simping for Bloomberg before I make my final decision |
zakalwe
02.23.20 | What an absolute mess |
ArsMoriendi
02.23.20 | Bernie is winning whoo
And Biden is trying to say it's because of the Russians, he's getting desperate lol |
GhostB1rd
02.23.20 | Beanie cannot win. |
rockarollacola
02.24.20 | It's a total goat fuck. If Bernie gets the nomination things are gonna get ugly. |
OmairSh
02.24.20 | @Ars: agreeed. He says he's making a "comeback" after finishing over 20 points behind Bernie in NV. Biden has trouble staying awake during his rallies.
After super Tuesday I think Bernie will start to pull away. I think he comes 2nd in SC, but will win at least half of the ST states |
butt.
02.24.20 | "What an absolute mess" = "I just want Trump to be president forever because even though I'm not American I like scummy real estate tycoons who spend their entire lives deceiving the vulnerable and cheating on their wives" |
butt.
02.24.20 | anyway, yeah Bernie won so hard that Fox News called it after only 4% of results came in. Looking great for him so far. Guarantee at least 2 or 3 people drop after Super Tuesday results come in |
budgie
02.24.20 | looks like cnn has been pushing some rhetoric that isn't absurdly anti-bernie after the nevada run. appealing to the front-running electorate?! imagine the downstream effects if sanders' campaign is treated with encouragement from msm |
sonictheplumber
02.24.20 | at this point im anyone but bloomberg lol |
budgie
02.24.20 | pete kinda pisses me off |
Supercoolguy64
02.24.20 | Genuinely surprised at how hard that Bern is feelin |
sonictheplumber
02.24.20 | i hate mayo pete yeah |
sonictheplumber
02.24.20 | and im not surprised at all. most popular politician with the most popular policies is the most popular....who saw it coming? not msnbc lol |
OmairSh
02.24.20 | Pete is a talking machine. Super calculated and fake
@sonic: The MSM is so oblivious to the ground realities. They get paid millions |
budgie
02.24.20 | sanders getting some serious validation with these primaries is like opening up the floodgates of progressivism and i fucking love it. for ages now the argument has been "oh that would be great but it would never happen in america, this isn't europe"
without that argument in place, things might actually improve |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | Black people hate Bernie and Warren tho.
Southern Democrats are almost black as night. |
butt.
02.24.20 | "Black people hate Bernie" you're joking right |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | Funny, there was allegedly a huuuuuuuuge line for Bootyjig outside W&L highschool here in Arlington, VA today. Wonder how all those rich white people are gonna feel having to support Beanie in November. |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | Nah, blacks want Biden by a big majority. |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | "Polling by The Washington Post and Ipsos released a week ago found Biden at 48 percent with black voters nationally, compared with Sanders at 20 percent and Warren at 9 percent. Buttigieg received only 2 percent support among black voters, less than the 4 percent who back former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg."
Politico a few weeks ago. |
Deathconscious
02.24.20 | "Black people hate Bernie"
"Nah, blacks want Biden by a big majority."
hahaha uhhh |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | What even are facts? |
Deathconscious
02.24.20 | good question, you should sort that out. |
budgie
02.24.20 | steyer sucking all the votes out of biden lmao |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | adolfchrist - political contrarian of southern state polling. |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | In 2016 Beanie killed Hilldawg among white Dems and got thrashed by black Dems. |
sonictheplumber
02.24.20 | got the black vote in nevada |
sonictheplumber
02.24.20 | its also like, just wrong that southern democrats are all black |
sonictheplumber
02.24.20 | doesnt really matter though i dont think the dnc will allow him to be the nom. everyone is acting like 2016 didnt happen |
budgie
02.24.20 | well looks like sanders and biden are within 5 points in SC, let's just see what happens |
budgie
02.24.20 | "everyone is acting like 2016 didnt happen"
difference is sanders is the actual front runner right now |
OmairSh
02.24.20 | If Bernie is hundreds of delegates ahead by the time the convention comes, then it'l be difficult for the DNC to justify stealing the nom, but I know they'll try hard as fuck anyway. If they do then Trump will win |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | Almost all white people in the South are Republicans. A large majority of Southern Dems are black. That's American demographics.
I forget how the fucked up superdelegate thing works for Dem primaries but I vaguely remember them being able to just do whatever they want. |
budgie
02.24.20 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate#DNC_Unity_Reform_Commission_and_superdelegate_reform,_2016%E2%80%932018
it changed after the clinton-schultz shitstorm |
sonictheplumber
02.24.20 | They're still gonna fuck him |
sonictheplumber
02.24.20 | Best thing is hes moving the country left, and little by little the Democrats are forced to follow |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | God I hope he wins the nom. Gonna be a massacre in November. |
budgie
02.24.20 | id be surprised if trump had the manhood to debate sanders, but that wont happen |
Deathconscious
02.24.20 | Nah, Bernie would definitely give Drumpf a run for his money. Drumpf himself knows it. |
GhostB1rd
02.24.20 | Well, I mean he has to debate him if he wins the nom so you're gonna see it if he gets around Biden.
I don't know why you all think he's afraid of that, orange man has been hyping Beanie in the primaries cause he has an extra-delicious, juicy oppo file he wants to open later this year. |
budgie
02.24.20 | lol |
Kompys2000
02.24.20 | Don't you see, if the dems wanna win they need a candidate who will personally fellate every republican voter who hasn't pledged their eternal soul to god-king Trump |
Sinternet
02.24.20 | wishing something to be true doesn't make it so
unfortunately for ghost, fortunately for everyone else |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.20 | “They’re still gonna fuck him.”
I love that every candidate backpedaled on their opinion of the popular vote just because they weren’t the frontrunner. Every single one of them was in support of the popular vote a year ago.
Bernie 2020 |
OmairSh
02.24.20 | Yeah it just showed their acceptance that Bernie will likely have a plurality of delegates by the convention |
budgie
02.24.20 | they should be exciting their voters to vote for the frontrunner come the general, not doing pete's nasty shit, oh god how destructive, shame! shame |
OmairSh
02.24.20 | https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-joe-black-voters-biden-sanders-20200221-l3akjs7lv5bjfm6i7p5abhrjqe-story.html
"A new poll says support for Biden is slipping among black voters nationally, a development that could spell doom for his already struggling campaign.
The ex-vice president wins the backing of 31% of African Americans, barely more than 29% for Sanders, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey released Friday." |
OmairSh
02.25.20 | Debate tomorrow. It would be amazing if Bernie can SC. Would be a big gut punch to Biden |
GhostB1rd
02.25.20 | Damn, one Dem frontrunner had a heart attack and is two heartbeats away from another at any time and the other has dementia.
Solid crew. |
budgie
02.25.20 | trump, lol |
GhostB1rd
02.25.20 | Be interesting to see who they choose as VPs considering they could both be dead if elected. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.20 | yeah those are some pretty shit takes you have there ghost but roll with it sport |
OmairSh
02.25.20 | Bernie has more energy than a lot 20 year olds even after a heart attack. Doing multiple rallies a day |
Deathconscious
02.25.20 | Trump's fat ass is a heart attack waiting to happen. Probably not one he'd survive either. |
butt.
02.25.20 | yeah Bernie is leagues healthier than Trump, is anyone even seriously questioning that? Trump almost exclusively eats McDonalds |
neekafat
02.25.20 | Love Warren but she missed her timing with that huge surge, Bernie's a great second pick for me
that last debate was awesome |
WatchItExplode
02.25.20 | I'll vote Bernie if necessary, but even if he gets in he ain't passing a single thing. |
AmericanFlagAsh
02.25.20 | We'll see how tonight goes, Warren has my vote, Bernie a close second
Fuck Pete and especially fuck Bloomberg |
budgie
02.25.20 | yall see that pic of pete walkin with both feet on the ground omfg |
budgie
02.25.20 | https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/buttigieg-walking.png.webp |
wham49
02.25.20 | Really I could give a shit, whoever has a D next to their name next November will get my vote, even if the candidate is really a R |
AmericanFlagAsh
02.25.20 | Yeah I mean I'll vote for a fucking cabbage over Trump, nobody pisses me off more than his dumbass self |
wham49
02.25.20 | Cabbage has a better personality |
beefshoes
02.25.20 | It's probably true that not much of Sanders' platform could be passed as it exists on paper even if the Dems were to win the senate given inner-party resistance, but even if that ends up being the case, it is a hell of a lot better to have him in the WH and at least have an actual chance of "progressive" policy being implemented, than to have Trump or a neoliberal Dem there with virtually no chance whatsoever. And in the case of Bloomberg especially, there will be absolutely no difference between him and Trump on economic issues, and he might actually be more effective in pushing through more deregulation, privatization, and even further weakening areas like consumer protections and campaign finance laws. He's probably the least democratic person conceivable. |
zakalwe
02.25.20 | Have things got legitimately worse under Trump? |
budgie
02.25.20 | nazi rally in virginia |
OmairSh
02.25.20 | Fuck Pete and especially fuck Bloomberg [2] |
WatchItExplode
02.25.20 | environmental protections rolled back en masse |
ElioG
02.25.20 | I don't really know how Americans feel about Bernie or how they don't feel about Trump but, as a European, I can say that Sanders would work a lot better as a symbol of world unity. And tbh I follow him and I can clearly see the differences from the republican core. Can't say the same about Bloomberg nor Biden. |
OmairSh
02.25.20 | "yall see that pic of pete walkin with both feet on the ground omfg"
Robot Pete didn't get programmed to walk properly |
beefshoes
02.25.20 | Sanders is running on a set of government programs that were passed in almost every European country over 50 years ago. He's a moderate social-democrat that would have probably been considered a moderate even within the US at one point or another, and you'd have to be mental or corrupt as fuck to seriously think that his proposals are radical. |
ElioG
02.25.20 | And, man, Bush Jr. then Obama then Trump then Sanders... Even Hetfield had smoother ups and downs. |
zakalwe
02.25.20 | “I can say that Sanders would work a lot better as a symbol of world unity.”
Groan |
budgie
02.25.20 | "I don't really know how Americans feel about Bernie or how they don't feel about Trump but" man it really just depends WHERE in america you are. |
TheManMachine
02.25.20 | bernie or bust duh |
budgie
02.25.20 | i'd be happy enough with a warren presidency but she doesn't really have much to say about labor rights does she? "i'm capitalist to my bones" ecgh |
ElioG
02.25.20 | Zakalwe, where are u from? Do you know what is happening in East Mediterranean and in the Middle East right now? In Syria? In Turkey? In Greece? In Cyprus? Do you know how important is a calm status quo that springs from an American leader that really promotes consensus? |
anarchistfish
02.25.20 | any sites fair to Sanders I can use to follow as a non-American? |
ElioG
02.25.20 | Fox Olds. |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.25.20 | "Sanders is running on a set of government programs that were passed in almost every European country over 50 years ago. He's a moderate social-democrat that would have probably been considered a moderate even within the US at one point or another, and you'd have to be mental or corrupt as fuck to seriously think that his proposals are radical."
[2] |
zakalwe
02.25.20 | Elio I appreciate your concern for humanity but do you know what has happened in the East Mediterranean and in the Middle East, Syria, Greece, Cyprus For the last few thousand years?
Power is seized, conflict arises, and the perpetual struggle continues. Bernie wouldn’t change a thing. What’s he going to do? Make people think nice thoughts?
|
budgie
02.25.20 | "any sites fair to Sanders I can use to follow as a non-American?"
fair as in not MSNBC or FOX? i read democracynow but most people would say it has a pretty far left bias. |
anarchistfish
02.25.20 | i wouldnt trust even bernie to be able to tear down the military industrial complex of america |
neekafat
02.25.20 | "We'll see how tonight goes, Warren has my vote, Bernie a close second" [2]
@budgie I mean every American is a capitalist whether they admit it or not |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.25.20 | "i wouldnt trust even bernie to be able to tear down the military industrial complex of america"
If somehow Bernie manages to end up as president, he'll get assassinated, I tell you |
anarchistfish
02.25.20 | oh yh democracy now good catch
also lol left bias yh im biased to reality |
budgie
02.25.20 | @neeka that's arguable. i don't own any capital, you don't own any capital probably? very few of us are actual capitalists. labor rights in the US are pretty lousy and i think most people would vote in sanders' direction if they weren't fed "capitalism is good socialism is bad" for their entire lives |
WatchItExplode
02.25.20 | "you'd have to be mental or corrupt as fuck to seriously think that his proposals are radical."
uhhhh, yeah. Just change mental to brainwashed and an alarming picture may begin to form. |
ElioG
02.25.20 | Omg Zakalwe, chill man. If you really asking what an American president can really do in areas like Eastern Europe then you really don't have a clue. I respect that. |
OmairSh
02.25.20 | "any sites fair to Sanders I can use to follow as a non-American?"
Youtube Channels: Rising (on The Hill with Krystal and Saagar), Young Turks, Secular Talk, Humanist Report, Democracy Now |
OmairSh
02.25.20 | @zak at least Bernie will try and not continuously fuck over the mid east. The tension in that region is probably the most complex in the world, so its not an easy task for any fucker |
budgie
02.25.20 | "also lol left bias yh im biased to reality" yeah haha i put in "most people" for a reason. |
OmairSh
02.25.20 | Hoping Bloomberg and Biden get crushed today in the debate. The others won't really make a dent on super Tuesday |
LelandAB
02.25.20 | "Have things got legitimately worse under Trump?"
yes. especially for people of hispanic or middle eastern ethnicity |
budgie
02.25.20 | let's not forget kavanaugh, and the destruction of the epa. |
LelandAB
02.25.20 | I really liked Warren, and I'm disappointed to see how fast her campaign fell apart. All in for Bernie now. |
neekafat
02.25.20 | Fair budgie, I'm all for democratic socialism, but I believe that capitalism at its core can be a positive thing, even though it's been horribly exploited in this country |
budgie
02.25.20 | i'm with you neeka, i don't think there's either one option or the other. the best society is probably one where labor power and capital power are more or less on equal footing, and right now labor power in the us is pretty gutted and voiceless |
LelandAB
02.25.20 | capitalism with strong regulations will work. without regulations, companies can treat workers like shit, and pollute at will. |
Kompys2000
02.25.20 | I'm pretty convinced that there's no version of capitalism that isn't inherently exploitative, but that doesn't mean making modern American capitalism a bit less exploitative isn't a worthwhile pursuit |
budgie
02.25.20 | baby steps boys, haha. it's not yet time to storm the bastille.
|
ElioG
02.25.20 | Yeah, capitalism with strong regulations but those regulations have to be put by non capitalists otherwise the regulations will not be strong but if they'll be put by them then they hold the power but if they hold the power why have capitalism in first place? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.25.20 | budgie don't you mean 'limp' towards the bastille? |
budgie
02.25.20 | rocket powered wheelchair mofucka! zoom zoom |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.25.20 | holy shit, so fucking kamikaze the mufkcing bastille then |
Keyblade
02.25.20 | is there a debate for every state? this shit is ridiculous |
ElioG
02.25.20 | Haha, yes, a debate for every state... of mind. |
Keyblade
02.25.20 | they've stopped debating issues like 5 debates ago. it's just digging up skeletons and arguing about it at this point |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.25.20 | "I'm pretty convinced that there's no version of capitalism that isn't inherently exploitative, but that doesn't mean making modern American capitalism a bit less exploitative isn't a worthwhile pursuit"
bro, every large scale economic system is exploitative in some capacity or another. it's about choosing how you would rather be exploited and who you want to be exploited the most. |
Deathconscious
02.25.20 | "Love Warren but she missed her timing with that huge surge, Bernie's a great second pick for me"
why, shes proven herself to be what i suspected but didnt want to believe all a long: an establishment shill like the rest of them. |
OmairSh
02.26.20 | She's disappointed for sure. Bernie's got a slight edge on her in the Massachusetts polls. If she loses her home state then I don't see how she can carry on |
Deathconscious
02.26.20 | warren: *votes in favor of increasing Trump's military budget*
reporter: youve said that you think we should lower the military budget. why did you vote to increase it then?
warren: *rambles on about unrelated shit* but do i think we should decrease the military budget? yes.
??? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.26.20 | Her oral herpes made it a little bit harder to jerk off to this but I persevered and succeeded in the end. Don't let adversity and the challenges of life hold you back. Your life is your ship and you are the captain. |
Deathconscious
02.26.20 | Id like to see how YOUR hair fares in a blizzarrrd! |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | are debates entertaining
is there livestream |
budgie
02.26.20 | dem debates are not entertaining
at all
town hall is a bit better |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | wow this is fucking boring |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | I love how y'all think Europe is so much better than the U.S. based on absolutely no evidence. |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | we are tho |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | if only for healthcare tbf. and not quite as aggressive capitalism although the gap is closing |
Keyblade
02.26.20 | the last one was kinda entertaining seeing Bloomberg get slapped around but they're generally boring as shit
watch the raps/bucks game instead |
budgie
02.26.20 | evidence for preference is a pretty fuckin stupid demand ghostbird |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | was biden really still the frontrunner til 3 weeks ago |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | "watch the raps/bucks game instead"
....nah, i'll watch that debate tho |
Keyblade
02.26.20 | nah he got crushed out of it months ago by kamala harris of all ppl lol |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | You should be able to provide certain metrics that you use to measure "better". |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | i thought u were malaysian key |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | Watch Hillary come in and somehow win the nom a second time. |
OmairSh
02.26.20 | Bloomberg, Biden, Pete, Amy sucking up haaard to the black community |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | i was black once |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | Ask Liz Warren in 20 years and maybe she will be. |
budgie
02.26.20 | biden was the frontrunner until everyone realized that no one wanted to vote for him i guess |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | Obama carryover essentially. |
Keyblade
02.26.20 | fish nah, I loved there but I'm canadian |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | I can't take any team seriously that has a fat PG. |
OmairSh
02.26.20 | The more Biden talks the worse he does in the polls, like Hillary |
Keyblade
02.26.20 | don't care didn't ask plus we're champs |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | He's got a fucking tire. |
RogueNine
02.26.20 | Guhhh they're all just so bad. |
EphemeralEternity
02.26.20 | Honestly pushing 80 as a president becomes a bit of an issue in itself
From sudden physical decline to dementia and stuff...
I’ve never heard of buttgig but surely his age is a big benefit |
OmairSh
02.26.20 | Biden's cognitive abilities are declining fast, but Bernie still is sharp. Buttigieg is a platitude machine without much substance |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.26.20 | i dunno american politics are already a sitcom, having a president with dementia sounds like a great premise for season 46 |
ArsMoriendi
02.26.20 | Amy Klobuchar: I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO WINS IN RED DISTRICTS
Moderator: but what are you going to do if you're president?
Amy Klobuchar: I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO WINS IN RED DISTRICTS |
Deathconscious
02.26.20 | "surely his age is a big benefit"
thats about his only one. |
Deathconscious
02.26.20 | Amy Klobuchar: I WANT TO BEAT TRUMP.
Moderator: but what are you going to do if you're president?
Amy Klobuchar: BEAT TRUMP. |
budgie
02.26.20 | are pete and amy going at it
im not watchin |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.26.20 | Damn Biden sounded so pedantic in the Coronavirus topic |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.26.20 | you dropped your coronavirus |
ArsMoriendi
02.26.20 | Honestly, Warren is such a savage at mudslinging
She's not even my favorite candidate, but I gotta give her that |
Deathconscious
02.26.20 | Pete fucking destroyed Amy, and like 3 people destroyed Bloomberg, it was fucking hilarious. |
budgie
02.26.20 | damn so seats at this event are $2000 VIPs? |
budgie
02.26.20 | “But there’s no access to tickets on any Democratic site that we could see,” Kiley said.
That's because tickets aren't readily available. The Charleston County Democratic Party website says "The only guaranteed way to get a ticket is to become a sponsor of the debate."
Sponsorship ranges from $1,750 to $3,200 each for attendance to multiple “First in the South” events.
that kinda shit is pretty lame, bro |
Keyblade
02.26.20 | they're tryna pack the venue with dnc insiders lol |
OmairSh
02.26.20 | Yeah they're kissing Bloomberg's ass hard |
Keyblade
02.26.20 | they're so blatantly corrupt, and they wonder why ppl vote republican and they lose elections |
Deathconscious
02.26.20 | Rebublicans are blatantly corrupt too, i dont follow that logic. |
budgie
02.26.20 | fuck the dnc comin straight from tha underground |
Keyblade
02.26.20 | thing about repubs is that they don't put on that virtuous facade. they're corrupt scumbags, they know it and don't care. Trump took that to another level and as we saw in 2016 a lot of ppl rolled the dice with him over fake ass Hillary |
Keyblade
02.26.20 | can u imagine Bloomberg packing the audience in a debate against Trump on some Jeb Bush "please clap" shit lmao |
ArsMoriendi
02.26.20 | Sanders > Warren > Steyer > Klobuchar > Biden > Buttigieg > Bloomberg |
budgie
02.26.20 | pretty much also my ranking |
Kompys2000
02.26.20 | I mean that's it right there yeah |
budgie
02.26.20 | https://politics.theonion.com/tell-me-about-it-stud-says-pleather-clad-elizabeth-1841920931 ROFL |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | Literally the only cool piece of news ever to come out about Liz Warren was that she beat down some Marine during wild sex and it turns out it was just Jacob Wohl trying to slander her. |
butt.
02.26.20 | Sanders > Butt > Warren > Steyer > Klob > Biden > Bloom |
ArsMoriendi
02.26.20 | *googles Jacob Wohl*
"Jacob Wohl is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, fraudster, and internet troll."
Who the fuck cares about this guy? |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | Twitter and the police care. |
budgie
02.26.20 | inb4 trump pardons him |
OmairSh
02.26.20 | Sanders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warren > Steyer > Klobuchar > Biden >>>>>>>> Buttigieg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bloomberg |
budgie
02.26.20 | not enough arrows inbetween butte and bloom |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | Warren was a Republican until she was like 50.
Bloomberg was a Republican until like 50 hours ago. |
ArsMoriendi
02.26.20 | I'd like to see GhostB1rd's ranking |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | Just flip your guys'. |
budgie
02.26.20 | yeah ppl call warren progressive but economically is she any different from traditional conservative positions? socially progressive, sure, girl power etc. her shtick is uprooting corruption but that's not a partisan quality, at least, it shouldn't be. suppose in practice it is. |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | She was one of the authors of the bankruptcy textbook I had in law school lol. |
Deathconscious
02.26.20 | Bernie did a sexism a year ago! I need my story to be heard (right before the Iowa caucus)! |
GhostB1rd
02.26.20 | Would like to take this opportunity to remind y'all that Beanie cannot win. |
budgie
02.26.20 | felt the same about trump |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.26.20 | Bern really is the anti trump isn’t he |
LelandAB
02.26.20 | Of course Bernie can win, he's incredibly popular. Hillary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump, and she was less exciting than a saltine. |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.26.20 | "Of course Bernie can win, he's incredibly popular. Hillary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump, and she was less exciting than a saltine."
Yes, but Hillary was the safe pick, not the "communist" one |
budgie
02.26.20 | democrats win elections when people turn out to vote. hillary excited absolutely no one to vote, and lost. bernie is doing well because he excites people who would otherwise probably not bother to vote |
LelandAB
02.26.20 | "Yes, but Hillary was the safe pick, not the "communist" one"
The thing is, Republicans will call literally any Democrat a communist. Those already exposed to propaganda aren't going to debate the merits of democratic socialism, they're just going to scream at anyone to their left. Ironically, many Fox News viewers are people that Bernie would help the most. |
AmericanFlagAsh
02.26.20 | Let's not forget that Bernie took like a month or longer after Hillary got the nom to stop talking shit about her and promote her... |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.26.20 | I know buddy, I love Bernie, thing is by american standards "democratic socialism" is almost communist |
LelandAB
02.26.20 | yeah i'm with you sir lord gentleman, and scholar. it's a shame. Bernie would be so great for this country. |
budgie
02.26.20 | he's like the one chance we got at modernizing this place. |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.26.20 | well as I said before, it doesn't really matter
if he somehow ends up us president, he'll get killed |
AmericanFlagAsh
02.26.20 | Well alright then |
budgie
02.26.20 | jfc |
WatchItExplode
02.26.20 | don't be putting that out into the universe...very ungentlemanly form sir |
LelandAB
02.26.20 | Donald Trump is the most openly hated president in decades...and he hasn't been assassinated. |
InFlamesWeThrash666
02.26.20 | feel the Bern |
butt.
02.26.20 | beel the fern |
budgie
02.26.20 | bullets couldnt penetrate his biological mcdonalds blubber body armor |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.26.20 | "Donald Trump is the most openly hated president in decades...and he hasn't been assassinated."
Yes but he doesn't threats the status quo of those in power as much as Bernie does.
I don't know, maybe I'm being too conspiracyist towards what the CIA or political fanatics may do but on the other hand it is the US, so honestly, I've got no idea |
parksungjoon
02.26.20 | "Yes but he doesn't threats the status quo of those in power as much as Bernie does."
this is the correct line of reasoning |
Rowhaus
02.26.20 | Bernie can't even beat his own heart |
anarchistfish
02.26.20 | Any y'all got them highlights |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.26.20 | “The thing is, Republicans will call literally any Democrat a communist. Those already exposed to propaganda aren't going to debate the merits of democratic socialism, they're just going to scream at anyone to their left. Ironically, many Fox News viewers are people that Bernie would help the most.”
This right fucking here. I’ve seen ads calling Bernie and AOC socialists, okay, *almost* fair, but that same ad called Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi socialists.
These dipshits already think every democrat is a radical socialist courtesy of the Fox News propaganda machine and they’ll label whoever the nominee is as such regardless. Move on. |
budgie
02.26.20 | nobody stops to think about the actual radical socialists, they're undermining our cause by carelessly throwing around the term radical socialism at everyone and anyone! |
OmairSh
02.26.20 | Yup, once they repeatedly tire the audience with the same weak communist jabs I think some people might actually research Bernie and get converted |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.26.20 | "Yup, once they repeatedly tire the audience with the same weak communist jabs I think some people might actually research Bernie and get converted"
I don't have such high hopes for your typical Fox viewer |
sonictheplumber
02.26.20 | warren is a hoe |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | "he's like the one chance we got at modernizing this place."
The Great Leap Forward! |
budgie
02.27.20 | and thats why no one takes you seriously |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Are you serious? |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Average age of person on this site: 21
Median income of person on this site: $0 / yr.
Beanie is popular among this demographic, go figure. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.20 | lol ghost you’re beyond saving |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Dude Beanie isn't gonna make me pay off your debt. |
budgie
02.27.20 | it's not like.. ghost is wrong or anything. dude just has a different belief about the function of the state |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | I'm with you all (or probably even more extreme than you) about gay rights, vice legalization, etc. but the part where you start giving everyone "free shit" and it starts coming out of my take home pay is where I draw the line. |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | There should be a safety net. There shouldn't be a system where you don't have to work for a living. |
budgie
02.27.20 | state financed healthcare? state financed tuition? state financed child care? those are the main "far left" economic policies being pushed by progressives right now. immediately going from the state offering healthcare to thinking progressivism means allowing anyone to just live off of unemployment is some dumb bullshit. |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Remember when AOC's green new deal included "those unable or unwilling to work"? Universal basic income? Don't act like this is fictitious.
And yes, student loan forgiveness is essentially giving long time students who spent 5-6 years in undergrad free housing and food for the duration that they otherwise would have had to pay for out of pocket. |
budgie
02.27.20 | income tax in france |
budgie
02.27.20 | oh man the fucking website deleted my entire post because i put a lesser-than sign |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Healthcare isn't inherently expensive. There's no reason it couldn't be privatized like everything else with subsidies for the most in need.
Plus there's already Medicaid which covers 100% of costs for those with no assets, and Medicare which iirc covers 70% for the elderly.
Children are a voluntary choice. If you can't afford them don't have them. |
budgie
02.27.20 | here's GND from 7 february: https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hres109/BILLS-116hres109ih.pdf
ctrl+f "unwilling"
0 results
? |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | You know they changed it, right? Google it. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | you shouldn't have them even if you can afford them
bad for the environment
and my blood pressure |
budgie
02.27.20 | "Children are a voluntary choice. If you can't afford them don't have them."
so sure that's like some henry david thoreau way of looking at it, probably most actual human beings look at the issue as well-raised children being a necessary investment for the health of the state
difference of opinion here you can't be wrong for thinking you aren't obligated to help other people with kids, but it's just selfish as shit. you're benefiting from a safe, livable state |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | @Darius - The vast majority of lifetime medical expenses are incurred in the last month of life. Aside that and particular individuals with long-term problems health care is like everything else. Spread the risk over a large population and no, it's not terribly expensive. Literally no reason it has to be state run. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | darius explain how healthcare is INHERENTLY expensive |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | expecting other people to help you with kids you cant afford is just as selfish
having kids in general is selfish |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Do you legitimately believe that incentive structures would not change if we retooled the benefits system? I can guaranfuckingtee you they would. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | especially when you can't afford them and are banking on other peoples assistance |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | I'm having kids for vanity purposes. I am man enough to admit that. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | i respect that admittance |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | This girl I follow on Twitter is always bitching and moaning about her minimum wage job and struggling to get by (she's like 20 and just starting the real world) and has been with her boyfriend for like a hot minute and they didn't use protection and are now having a kid.
Tell me how that's not her fucking problem. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | ...admission? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | as long as you aren't against abortion there is no prob whatseover in not feeling like you owe that chick shit |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | In the old days when abortion wasn't even a thing it used to be the family's problem, and guess what? The kids learned real fucking fast to cut that shit out when mom, dad, grandma, and abuelita were bringing the wrath of chancla for making it their problem too. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | i think u know what i mean
if the projection of your own ideals inhibits other idiots from preventing or getting rid of children they can't afford then you are vicariously partially responsible
|
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | like if you tell someone that you aren't helping them with their kid but they arent allowed to get rid of it then u can go fuck yourself basically |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | I think pretty much everyone would say it's a matter of "when". A week pregnant? Most people don't care. 8 months pregnant? Fuck off. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | obviously talking about legal abortions....................... |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | not really talking about the receptionist at the abortion clinic who says "you can't have an abortion because you are 8 months pregnant" |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Look up Dem frontrunners comments on what should constitute a legal timeline for abortion.
Or just google the laws of the state of Oregon. |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Point being abortion is a grey issue for all rational people. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | i live in canada dont care about ur country |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | "Point being abortion is a grey issue for all rational people."
i think i pretty clearly agree |
budgie
02.27.20 | i absolutely think the state should help out when some dumbass with a minimum wage job has a kid with someone she just started dating
that's the whole god damn point of the state
help out as in, subsidize child care so user is paying $50 a week or whatever figure allows some amount of income to go into savings.
if someone has a kid too young and can't increase their wealth b/c of it, or someone has a medical incident and can't increase their wealth b/c of it, just looking at the situation as "oh well too bad get fucked" is disgusting. it's also a really american response, i guess. american culture is pretty disgusting |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Out of curiosity do you think that will increase or decrease her chances of doing it again? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | nah budge. the state should subsidize protection and abortion and invest in better alternatives. they should not subsidize - or much worse incentivize, as there are always people who take advantage - child care universally. i think obviously there is an argument to be made about a case by case basis, there are exceptions, but it shouldn't just be the go to. for me it's not just about having to pay for other peoples kids that they can't afford, it's about the fact that these kids are probably going to have shitty fucked up lives and on principle we shouldn't really be celebrating irresponsibility and bringing kids into a fucked up existence.
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Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.27.20 | budgie i think you have a bit of a penchant for looking for the most vile, evil reasons for any value that opposes your own and it makes your perceptions of the world very black and white and not very discerning tbqh, you paint everything with real broad strokes |
WatchItExplode
02.27.20 | A certain segment will always require assistance. That assistance should foster self reliance instead of dependence (in those capable) which is what I see daily. |
GhostB1rd
02.27.20 | Striking a balance between what you have to do as a society morally and what you shouldn't do to ultimately perpetuate (and worsen) the problem is, again, a grey area.
Politics isn't black and white. Rarely are there true objective answers. |
WatchItExplode
02.27.20 | But politics has become black and white which is why we are so monumentally fucked. The grey choice will be removed and the furthest left and right candidate will engage in battle to upset the scale. |
sonictheplumber
02.27.20 | dookie ass thread lol |
FirstStrikeIsDeadly
02.27.20 | Bernie or Bust baby. Everyone else lost my vote when they said they'd be cool with stealing the nom from Bernie if he got the most votes but not a majority. |
sonictheplumber
02.27.20 | ghost is a shitfucker |
sonictheplumber
02.27.20 | ill probably just hold my nose and vote dem. rbg dies and we get ted nugent on the supreme court under trump. fuck that |
budgie
02.27.20 | "budgie i think you have a bit of a penchant for looking for the most vile, evil reasons for any value that opposes your own and it makes your perceptions of the world very black and white and not very discerning tbqh, you paint everything with real broad strokes "
lol. i was talkin with a guy who right away went to " There shouldn't be a system where you don't have to work for a living." when universal healthcare was brought up. not sure that you're really following the discussion |
Deathconscious
02.27.20 | "Point being abortion is a grey issue for all rational people."
Lol. Nah, abortion is fucking great. |
unclereich
02.27.20 | its people like budgie that should not be allowed to vote much less procreate jfc |
butt.
02.27.20 | unclereich has the best opinions and I agree with him on everything |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | Socialized medicine clearly works great. Look at China, for instance. |
butt.
02.27.20 | are you actually using china as an example for something the US might implement |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | I always find it hard to believe that grown ass ppl reason like this |
butt.
02.27.20 | "You want airplanes to be legal in the US? Hmmmm let's see how that worked out for Malaysia!!!1!11!" |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | Of course I am dude. Bernie wants to do-away with the notion of a nation state and centralize healthcare to the bidding of the government. You then get cripplingly sluggish bureaucracy that fails to respond properly to health risks. |
Deathconscious
02.27.20 | Ask the UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc etc how its working out for them. Are you going to namedrop Venezuela next? |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | False equivalency bud. Also the quality of care isn't half as good. Why can't you pay for your own healthcare instead of insisting others do it? |
Sinternet
02.27.20 | you realise for example that the us has the highest infant mortality rate in the developed world |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | That's interesting. Are you attributing that stat solely to the quality of care? It's measured differently across different countries. The states keeps some of the most stringent metrics of infant mortality because of the quality of care and regulations that many countries don't have. |
budgie
02.27.20 | guy: "Socialized medicine clearly works great. Look at China, for instance."
same guy: "False equivalency bud."
these fuckin morons are worthless |
LelandAB
02.27.20 | Hilarious to me that people think Bernie's "Democratic Socialism" would be a slide into USSR totalitarianism, and not just a pivot to modern day Germany. Healthcare should be free, I don't see how that's even remotely debatable. |
budgie
02.27.20 | he wants.... to offer state financed child care services?? like those NAZI EUROPEAN COUNTRIES????? STALINISM!!! MAO!!!! HO CHI MINH!!!! |
butt.
02.27.20 | "Why can't you pay for your own healthcare instead of insisting others do it?"
I'm about to blow your fucking mind.....but lots of people can't afford healthcare. |
butt.
02.27.20 | "Healthcare should be free, I don't see how that's even remotely debatable."
Yeah, I think the US is the only major developed country where it is still, inexplicably, being debated. |
LelandAB
02.27.20 | "I'm about to blow your fucking mind.....but lots of people can't afford healthcare."
Exactly, and we're going to sit here and shame people who can't pay $54,000 for a busted appendix? |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | " Why can't you pay for your own healthcare instead of insisting others do it?"
lmao wtf |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | "I'm about to blow your fucking mind.....but lots of people can't afford healthcare."
Why is that my problem? |
LelandAB
02.27.20 | "Why is that my problem?"
It's all of our problem, man, we're a society. Here's the other thing. Our taxes right now go to filling the pockets of rich lobbyists, and funding the military. What if we paid the same taxes, but they went to a universal health care and child care system instead? Sounds pretty great. |
budgie
02.27.20 | but then we're helping WELFARE BLACKS, leland, and fox news told me that's bad |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | I'd say something about healthcare being a human right but probably I'd end up with a response on the verge of "human right are an invention by the new world order in the UN"
As if you were to pay a huge amount of money on a tax to healthcare. Like you won't be able to keep living the way you do.
"but it's mah moneh i earned with mah work" good for you, Ayn Rand would be proud of how individualistic you are |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | There's literally nothing the government does that the private industry can't do better. |
budgie
02.27.20 | i agree with rowhause let's privatize the military
fucking dumbass jfc rofl. |
LelandAB
02.27.20 | "There's literally nothing the government does that the private industry can't do better."
Well....healthcare, for one. That's literally the reason we're having this problem! |
unclereich
02.27.20 | most of my taxes go to mandatory expenditures actually, idk if you live in the US but I have no choice in the matter that most(>60%!!!) of my taxes are paying for social security. the systems of countries that are mostly homogeneous and have a fraction of our population size will not work the way they do in the likes of Denmark. idk about you but the tax rate of my country(u.s) is around 26 cents per dollar I make. where as Denmark is at >50%! you have to pay to play, given that Denmark only has 5 million people, 4 million plus of which are ethnically dane, a country like that can afford a 50 percent tax rate, a country with 300 million people cannot. |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | "There's literally nothing the government does that the private industry can't do better."
As someone who lives in the country seen as the heaven of neoliberalism, let me tell you, that's a lie
I'm all in for private property and bussiness, but basic stuff like healthcare, education, pensions and basic resources should be regulated by the government |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | Private contractors are a powerhouse in the military. Far fewer soldiers would need to put their lives at risk and they'd receive better training if the military were privatized. You'd have far fewer meaningless wars if companies were held accountable instead of the state. |
unclereich
02.27.20 | hey you're already poor as fuck and cannot afford healthcare(which isn't completely true at all in the u.s. btw as states like cali have covered California) let's tax ya 50 percent of your already terrible income so we can give you terrible healthcare! oh wait lets tax the rich 50 % so it destroy the economy. complex issues like healthcare need nuanced solutions. it is not a black and white issue that can be easily solved by making it free such is the folly with the American democrat. every issue is simple and can thus be solved by simply banning something or making it free |
CaliggyJack
02.27.20 | I'll vote for Bernie if he adopts a UBI |
unclereich
02.27.20 | ill vote for Bernie if he pays my student loans with the money he taxes me |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | I can't wait to live in a society without borders, get disarmed, entrust all education and healthcare to the state, and exist with a perpetual sense of self-hatred and misery. This all sounds great to me! |
CaliggyJack
02.27.20 | Man I just want UBI leave me out of this |
Sinternet
02.27.20 | ignoring the other retards the fact that your only major conviction seems to be UBI aligns perfectly with the incel attitudes you've come to be known for |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | I wouldn't mind for libertarians going extinct tbh |
butt.
02.27.20 | "I can't wait to live in a society without borders" - yeah that's my grandma's biggest fear too, you guys have a lot in common
"get disarmed" - uhhh what
"entrust all education and healthcare to the state" - are you suggesting public schools would get better if we privatized the whole thing? You think every poor single mother would still find a way to send her kids to school? nah fam, we'd be raising a bunch of dumbasses left and right and only those with good incomes would afford to have educated children. the gap between working and upper classes would increase dramatically
"and exist with a perpetual sense of self-hatred and misery" - this is already my life so joke's on you |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | you won't change his mind buddy
it's the libertarian way of thinking of the State as a communist satan and private business as our saviors from heaven with perfect economical management and a real concern for those in need |
budgie
02.27.20 | "Private contractors are a powerhouse in the military. Far fewer soldiers would need to put their lives at risk and they'd receive better training if the military were privatized. You'd have far fewer meaningless wars if companies were held accountable instead of the state. "
hes not even trolling he actually thinks this? |
CaliggyJack
02.27.20 | "ignoring the other retards the fact that your only major conviction seems to be UBI aligns perfectly with the incel attitudes you've come to be known for"
I mean honestly I feel it is the best solution for the US economy at this point. Though honestly I don't care what you think, cause I'm still gonna vote the way I want.
My restriction is UBI, any person running for President ignoring the importance of a UBI is frankly, being lead headed. |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | UBI makes terrible games |
beefshoes
02.27.20 | Make libertarianism left-wing again |
budgie
02.27.20 | think that's just called libertarian socialism nowadays |
Deathconscious
02.27.20 | guy: "Socialized medicine clearly works great. Look at China, for instance."
same guy: "False equivalency bud."
Nailed it.
"Also the quality of care isn't half as good."
It varies country to country but for the most part its comparable to ours, so thats just outright false.
"Why can't you pay for your own healthcare instead of insisting others do it?"
Hows that been working out so far? People dying and going into debt because they cant pay for healthcare doesnt make it sound like a very effective system, does it? Btw you would overall be saving money. this whining about paying for other peoples healthcare reveals a gross lack of empathy and understanding of how your own society already works. your fears of paying more are unfounded. |
Deathconscious
02.27.20 | "I can't wait to live in a society without borders, get disarmed, entrust all education and healthcare to the state, and exist with a perpetual sense of self-hatred and misery. This all sounds great to me!"
Here we go again, more Fox-isms. No one wants open borders. You would still be able to have guns. And thats not how "free" college and healthcare work lmao, you dont seem to know how much of anything works for that matter. Maybe try understanding these positions first. And idk where the hatred and misery thing is coming from, seems to be something conservatives like to throw into their arguments for good measure. |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | how am I gonna buy that new gaming rig I wanted to buy if the stupid gubment is taking it from me to give the poors healthcare |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | Here we go again with the tired emotional virtue-signaling arguments to justify the government stealing more of our property. Nobody's buying it bro. Stop rallying for less freedom. If you want socialism I suggest you move to one of those tiny homogenous Scandinavian countries that supposedly got it all figured out. How thick does a history book rife with the failings of socialism have to get before people wise up? |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT IS SOCIALISM |
Kompys2000
02.27.20 | "Any sputheads dig comedy? George Carlin sucked btw. Nothing funnier things than an old, cranky, hyper-leftist, pseudo-intellectual nihilist masquerading as a genius. Also no women because they're not funny."
-Rowhaus |
Rowhaus
02.27.20 | That's a great line breh don't lie |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | "to justify the government stealing more of our property"
what property is this, the money that trickles over to u from ur boss? lol |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | I swear the rise of libertarians and the alt-right is one of the most retarded things that has happened in the last 20 years |
Emim
02.27.20 | That debate was hilarious to watch |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | and then in a cruel twist of irony get nabbed by the gov for property damage |
parksungjoon
02.27.20 | just because the hand is hidden inside their trenchcoat doesnt mean its invisible |
Kompys2000
02.27.20 | Lol sach |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | Is iFuckedUp sach?
Damn this guy has improved so much since his original account |
Kompys2000
02.27.20 | Just guessing but I'm pretty sure it's him |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | sach been a real one |
Deathconscious
02.27.20 | "Stop rallying for less freedom."
theres actually more freedom with "free" healthcare and college, think about it for a sec.
"Here we go again with the tired emotional virtue-signaling arguments to justify the government stealing more of our property."
once again, you would save money, so theyd be "stealing" less.
"How thick does a history book rife with the failings of socialism have to get before people wise up?"
again, take a look at a lot of the European countries. your arguments are so tired.
"If you want socialism I suggest you move to one of those tiny homogenous Scandinavian countries that supposedly got it all figured out."
not gonna respond to this, just thought the ol' "if u dont like it here then just get out!" was funny. |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | lol if bernie becomes prez u think he'll leave. that shit only goes one way |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | "lol if bernie becomes prez u think he'll leave. that shit only goes one way"
since these kind of people tend to hate immigrants so much, I doubt he's got the hypocrisy to become one |
zakalwe
02.27.20 | If your country is absolutely swamped with ‘immigrants’ do you accept it or question it? |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | swamped u know
just say what u mean zak |
zakalwe
02.27.20 | You have to come to a point where it’s questioned unless you’ve been brainwashed. |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | zak was waiting in the cut like double dutch to hop in on the word immigrants |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | it can be questioned but context is still important
you need to check if they're really affecting the economy or not. There are studies which actually show how immigrants help the growth of an economy. The "they steal our jobs and money" way of thinking is MOST of the time just exaggerated paranoia
On the other hand, even if that's the case, they're still people looking for an opportunity they can't afford in their respective countries (countries which, ironically, might be in a struggling situation thanks to the bigger nations people are immigrating to) and still deserve to be treated like human beings without going full Trump locking kids into cages away from their parents |
Kompys2000
02.27.20 | Zak I'd ask you to clarify what you mean by "question it" if I was even the slightest bit interested in your answer, but alas |
Keyblade
02.27.20 | ask why the fook the government is fannying about bringing in all these wogs |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | If Zak uses "question it" in the way that immigration is an important topic that needs to be discussed since it obviously affects a country (doesn't matter if in a positive or negative way), well then yes I suppose he's right |
zakalwe
02.27.20 | I totally agree but that’s not to say there are problems. A financial deficit can and does accrue. The infrastructure buckles, identity crumbles, culture goes out the window. Preferences are established, people fall foul of implemented systems that benefit the few.
Criminal gangs and drugs in the cities which expand into the towns are a fucking nightmare.
It all adds up. |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.27.20 | The financial aspect is certainly complex so I can't give a straight answer for that since I've seen good arguments from both sides but I don't agree with your other points.
The cultural aspect can absolutely be managed. In New Zealand you can see white people doing tribal dances. Mexican influence has always been huge in parts of the US (for obvious reasons) and while it may be respected it doesn't mean at all that "american" culture will be lost. You just need to manage things in a way that you won't let that to happen. In my country, which has seen hundreds of thousands of venezuelan immigrants coming for a few years now, you can see how foreign kids are teached the history and customs of our country, dancing national dances on school events, etc, all of this while making sure that they don't forget their own culture.
As for the crime, it can certainly happen. But this need to be treated with care since it leads up to the idea of immigrant and criminal being synonyms which would be a terrible mistake. The same argument has been used for immigration in my country which as the "developed" (lol sure) country in the region, has seen gigantic waves of immigrants these last ten years but the truth is studies shown that only around 1-5% of immigrants had any participation in crimes. And since they're coming from latin countries, trust me, they fit in the stereotype of being seen as criminals |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | It's funny how lefties use Scandinavian countries full of all white people with tiny populations to "aspire to".
FYI Scandinavian Americans usually have 40%+ higher incomes than their European counterparts and none of them are homeless or starving either. |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | zak was totally absent from the thread until the second someone dropped the word "immigrant", lmao. cant resist, can he. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | maskoff.mp3 |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | "FYI Scandinavian Americans usually have 40%+ higher incomes than their European counterparts and none of them are homeless or starving either."
i would imagine if youre moving to another country youre probably pretty well off to begin with, so no fuckin shit. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | That's all the ones here over hundreds of years you idiot. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | "That Swedish community started from guys who came over to escape religious persecution in the nineteenth century!"
Adolf - "HA! Rich faggots!" |
zakalwe
02.28.20 | I hear ya, I really do but when it’s the unrestricted millions who come in exacerbating certain problems on top of issues that only a few years ago were ‘non-issues’ you do have to say...hold up a second. Let’s actually talk about this thing. |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | "That's all the ones here over hundreds of years you idiot."
then say so you stupid fuck.
"That Swedish community started from guys who came over to escape religious persecution in the nineteenth century!"
Adolf - "HA! Rich faggots!"
see? conservatives can virtue signal too. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | How mad are you that you just got clowned? |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | not very, considering how hard you get clowned on a regular basis. |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | "I hear ya, I really do but when it’s the unrestricted millions who come in exacerbating certain problems on top of issues that only a few years ago were ‘non-issues’ you do have to say...hold up a second. Let’s actually talk about this thing."
I understand that but, then again, do you really see conservatives saying "let's talk about this"? Because what I see is they refer to immigrants almost as a plague of inferior beings that needs to be destroyed |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | It is funny how Beanie went from "That's a Koch dream" about open borders just like two years ago to "OPEN 'EM UP BOIS!" now. |
zakalwe
02.28.20 | See I completely disagree. Social democrats see them as cheap labour, easily exploited, suppressed and a cheap vote.
Conservatives see them as an inconvenience who can be used |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | "See I completely disagree. Social democrats see them as cheap labour, easily exploited, suppressed and a cheap vote."
That part might be true but that's for politicians. I haven't seen that mentality in the voters.
The conservative voters on the other hand, totally different scenario from what I've experienced |
zakalwe
02.28.20 | Let’s face it voters on both sides are mental and thick as pig shit |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | we can agree on that |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | "It is funny how Beanie went from "That's a Koch dream" about open borders just like two years ago to "OPEN 'EM UP BOIS!" now."
"open borders"
fox |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | This just in, Adolf supports ICE, is racist. |
budgie
02.28.20 | "Let’s face it voters on both sides are mental and thick as pig shit"
thats not it son |
budgie
02.28.20 | "
FYI Scandinavian Americans usually have 40%+ higher incomes than their European counterparts and none of them are homeless or starving either."
mUh SuPeRiOr ViKiNg BlOoD
this is fun |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | kinda funny seeing adolf miss the subtext there |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | "mUh SuPeRiOr ViKiNg BlOoD
this is fun"
Varg would be proud of him |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | You guys love referencing those statistics but digging deeper makes them work against you.
Fail to see how that's a win for you. |
budgie
02.28.20 | we're already losing by wasting our time talking to dumbfucks like you |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | bird fight |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Greater state control isn't good.
"BUT SCANDINAVIA HAS GREATER STATE CONTROL AND IS GOOD!"
Americans of Scandinavian descent are far better off then their European peers.
"YOU'RE AN IDIOT"
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | wait, *that* was the point u were making? lmao
like u said they're so far removed from the contemporary scandinavian experience, why would u even compare them |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | because if you compare them to black or hispanic americans his statistic would be even more idiotic than it already is |
unclereich
02.28.20 | Who is over the age of 12 itt |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | I'm showing that if you control for the same demographics they thrive in an American (read: EVIL ULTRA CAPITALIST OH NO!) system compared to their home system.
So the lefty "BUT MUH SCANDINAVIA" argument actually works against them. |
budgie
02.28.20 | i cant tell if hes trolling or what anymore |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | "I'm showing that if you control for the same demographics they thrive in an American (read: EVIL ULTRA CAPITALIST OH NO!) system compared to their home system."
They're not the same demographics, they are americans. If their families came to the US more than a century ago, how the hell are they suppose to be the same demographic.
If you compare how scandinavians live when compared to the richest 1% of the US, then of course scandinavians would also live a terrible life by that standard.
Compare them to americans, as a whole. Because if you adjust your to include poorer americans then I doubt the results are the same.
That's like saying the HDI measures anything when you don't count the Gini Coefficient on it |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | dude what do u mean control for, we're talking about ppl that fled a quasi monarchical government in the 19th century lmfao |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Yes, tens of thousands of years of evolution and you're taking exception to a couple hundred and saying they're no longer the same demographic?
Bullshit. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Plus it holds true for more recent Scandinavian immigrants but then Adolf starts bitching about them being more affluent anyway (not sure if even true) so you guys are complaining either way. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | bro put the calipers away, we're talking about systems of governance and economics here wth |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Are you all just dicking around or do you genuinely not understand this? |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | I feel like I get it but u never know. let me know if I'm getting this right
ur saying take a "demographic", take them away from their commie hellhole, bring em to America. water them and watch them blossom and bloom under capitalism higher than they would back home
...except you didn't take them from moder social democratic countries, they came from a monarchy 200 years ago and followed a completely different historical arc to their brethren back home. u gonna compare the Irish too? it doesn't make sense |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | You can run the simulation for any length of time and the results are the same. Adolf was the one bitching about using recent data. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | ur not getting that the home country doesn't stay the same during this simulation in this case. you'd make a terrible scientist man |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | For the past few decades it certainly has been stable enough to make the comparison legitimate. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | And you're losing sight of the takeaway. Scandinavians who came to America became super wealthy, experience barely any poverty, etc. under American capitalism. |
budgie
02.28.20 | the whole argument is absurdly stupid. even predicated on an idea that human stock in scandinavia is in any way consistent enough for the comparison to make any sense in the first place. beyond retarded |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Of course it's fucking consistent enough we're talking millions of fucking people. |
budgie
02.28.20 | dumbfucker. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | "For the past few decades it certainly has been stable enough to make the comparison legitimate"
scandinavian Americans didn't leave in the past 2 decades tho, the bulk of them came in the 19th century. ur simulation started in like 1860 |
DominionMM1
02.28.20 | anecdotal but interesting: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/04/02/what-american-expats-really-think-of-scandinavian-happiness/#23bdf8f61a8f |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | It holds true for all ethnic groups. Compare any ethnic American demo to their home country and they're substantially more well off. All time periods. All groups. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | lol
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | I feel like 90% of sputs would become more peaceful and happy if they had an extra 1000$ a month. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Caliggy get a fucking job. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | lmao |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | Tell me why you don't want 1000$ a month Ghost? |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | jack he's fronting. look at how shook he gets at the thought of parting with 1000 in taxes |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | But it won't come from his taxes... :( |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Giving my money to the government so it can give it back to me.
Sounds smart. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Beanie is literally trying to bribe me with my own money. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | "THE BILLIONAIRES WILL PAY FOR IT"
Beanie, how many billionaires do you think there are in this country?
"THERE'S A LOT!"
No, actually, there aren't. That money will run out like immediately.
"MONEY TREES!" |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | We're not taxing "billionaires", we're taxing corporations who pay 0 in taxes. Like Amazon. You ain't payin a dime. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | ghost thinks individual billionaires are just sitting on an immutable mound of money that's gonna run out if it keeps getting taxed lol
|
DominionMM1
02.28.20 | amazon actually does pay taxes though just not federal income tax but there are a variety of reasons for that beyond just corporate tax breaks |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | We're still not taxing the billionaires :P |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | If you could theoretically redistribute all of Jeff Bezos' net worth that's $360 for every American. Once. Forever.
Not to even mention the logistics of liquidating his assets. Do the same for all other billionaires and it's game over real fucking fast. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Hey Caliggy you trog how do you think taxation of corporations filters down to shareholders or do you actually think it doesn't? |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | It trickles down fine. Most of the taxed income will go to people who will have a 75% chance of using that income to buy stuff from Amazon. Business booms, job security gets better. People are happy. |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Jesus Christ, son. |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | Betcha Jesus would've endorsed a UBI |
GhostB1rd
02.28.20 | Caliggy, be honest. Are you employed? |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | *was |
Sinternet
02.28.20 | two NEETS argue, only one may survive... |
budgie
02.28.20 | im gonna get in this here t-34-85 and drive over to alabama or whhichever inbred shithole ghost lives in and im going to forcefully collectivize his bank account |
DominionMM1
02.28.20 | *nationanize |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | So supporting a UBI makes me a neet but supporting M4A doesn't? |
budgie
02.28.20 | UBI imo is a good idea but if it's the only issue you care about that's kinda weird |
Sinternet
02.28.20 | rather telling comparison that you just seem to view everything as 'free shit' without any kind of nuance. |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | "No, actually, there aren't. That money will run out like immediately."
Holy shit youre stupid. |
butt.
02.28.20 | always amazes me how steadfastly the lower/middle class defends billionaires. they aint defending you. |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | "they aint defending you."
They are if you're employed by an affluent company |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | jheeze |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | next level cuckoldry |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | "They are if you're employed by an affluent company"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA |
butt.
02.28.20 | "They are if you're employed by an affluent company"
Yes, Jeff Bezos' "affluent company" employs plenty of people but with a barely livable wage & substandard working conditions. People working those warehouses are miserable and treated like robots. Unrestrained capitalism doesn't care about your well-being, it only cares that you maximize shareholders profits. It's ugly and ruthless. |
MrSirLordGentleman
02.28.20 | labor rights?
communist propaganda |
TheNotrap
02.28.20 | "Looking good for Bernie so far"
If I were American, I would never vote for such an old guy. The future doesn't look promising... hope I'm wrong, the world needs a strong United States and Europe. |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | Sounds to me like you're just complaining dude. What did successful people ever do to make you so bitter? Have you ever taken an economics class? |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | dude ur hustling backwards, all u gotta do is shoot team Bloomberg an email and u could be making bank off ur sput posts |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | Nah Bloomberg wants the guns so he'll never get my vote. He's also a nymphette-diddler. |
butt.
02.28.20 | There are rich/successful good people (Gates, Buffet) but unfortunately many are not like them. I don't hate the wealthy, but sitting on a pile of cash that could literally end homelessness...idk, it's hard to feel okay about that. I just think the top tax bracket should be higher. |
LelandAB
02.28.20 | Millionaires are successful people. Billionaires are millionaires who exploit working class members of their company, and sit on their money forever. Humans have forever wealth with 990 Million dollars, enough to give their children and their children's children comfortable lives. Fuck billionaires forever. Give that money away. |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | That's a fair point. I just don't think these things are ever that simple. Are you gonna sit in front of Jack Dorsey and say "Fuck you! Gimme your money!"? What's that going to accomplish? |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | even beyond that, the immense power that comes with that wealth. no one person should have the power to influence policy (like bill gates with education), otherwise what's the point of all the checks and balances and elaborate measured we have to decentralize power? |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | "If I were American, I would never vote for such an old guy."
Its either Bernie or an establishment shill. I wish he was younger, but hes the best chance we've got. |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | Oh my, sputnik has its very own Pete ad. |
CaliggyJack
02.28.20 | 1000$ for all who want it |
LelandAB
02.28.20 | "Oh my, sputnik has its very own Pete ad."
That ad paid for by Michael Bloomberg |
butt.
02.28.20 | "Are you gonna sit in front of Jack Dorsey and say "Fuck you! Gimme your money!"?"
No, but I would raise his top tax bracket to 45%, maybe even 50%. Considering the top was 90% in the 1950s, this isn't too radical. Bush and Trump both dropped tax rates for the ultra-wealthy, and that just accomplishes nothing.
I would also cut military spending. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | bernard literally has his plan on his site and the most radical thing on there is prob having a wealth tax |
LelandAB
02.28.20 | yeah but key that's SoCiAlIsM |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | How about you let the guy keep his income? |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | "I would also cut military spending."
By a shitload. |
budgie
02.28.20 | https://prnt.sc/r99ea2
https://prnt.sc/r99edm |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | You guys just wanna take away all the fun stuff |
budgie
02.28.20 | "You guys just wanna take away all the fun stuff"
-Southern Slave Owner, 1842 |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | Slave owners were democrats |
budgie
02.28.20 | 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ |
budgie
02.28.20 | i keep forgetting youre literally retarded, my b |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | No need to be so rude bud. That's not gonna do you any favors in life. |
LelandAB
02.28.20 | "Slave owners were democrats"
and if you knew anything about American history, you would know the parties switched beliefs around the time of Teddy Roosevelt. but good try. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | doesn't really matter either way, fuck democrats too |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | I did know that. Things change throughout history. Wanna know what hasn't? The invariable unsustainability of socialism. |
LelandAB
02.28.20 | Republicans are incapable of criticizing members of their own party, where liberals are out here yelling "man FUCK Joe Biden and Mayor Pete". We don't want democrats, we want good democrats. |
Keyblade
02.28.20 | u must be glad nobody's trying to do a socialism then |
Rowhaus
02.28.20 | "Republicans are incapable of criticizing members of their own party"
It's called solidarity, and it's something the democrats desperately need right now. |
LelandAB
02.28.20 | Solidarity doesn't mean "protect one member of your party after he's done a bunch of crimes". He's not a king. |
Deathconscious
02.28.20 | I dont want to align myself with scumfuck establishment shills, but thanks. |
Rowhaus
02.29.20 | And that’s why Trump will win again |
anarchistfish
02.29.20 | "It's called solidarity"
it's called opportunism lol
i love watching mike pence's face during trump addresses. man i bet he fucking hates that guy's guts. i bet he's constantly thinking "what more i could accomplish if i were in this fucking donut's place" |
anarchistfish
02.29.20 | not really funny tho |
CaliggyJack
02.29.20 | I'm honestly more concerned of a Mike Pence Presidency than I am of a Trump one. |
Keyblade
02.29.20 | def |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | Hey Dookie, run the numbers. How many billionaires are in the U.S.? What are they collectively worth? How many days will that fund the country? |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | "but sitting on a pile of cash that could literally end homelessness"
Imagine believing this. |
Keyblade
02.29.20 | dude stop being obtuse, nobody's taking all their money and redistributing it. they're just getting taxed slightly more |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | "Considering the top was 90% in the 1950s, this isn't too radical"
Google marginal rate versus effective rate historically. Educate yourself. |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | That won't pay for shit. There are 330 million people in this country. It's about scale. If I took $3 from everyone here I'd be a billionaire. To them individually it means nothing. |
Keyblade
02.29.20 | fam just go on his site and look at his plan
u really think he's just gonna take money from billionaires and hand it out to everyone like flyers lmao |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | Key, DO. THE. MATH.
You can't pay for even an iota of a fraction of his shit without taxing the ever loving fuck out of relatively modest earning individuals. We aren't a nation the size of a large city like Northern European countries. Scale means everything. |
Keyblade
02.29.20 | he literally outlines how he's going to pay for everything, with numbers and math. dispute the figures by all means but u ain't gotta strawman the shit |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | Fine, I'll go to his dumbass site and look at his "numbers and math." Btw, Forbes 400 list of richest Americans is grand collective total of < $3 trillion. Again, won't pay for shit long term. |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | Where the fuck are these numbers coming from?
It says 48 billion per year = free tuition for all public school students.
There are 15 million public school students and he says 21,000 per student per year, which = $315 billion. So he's saying he can provide everything instead for $3,200. This dude is fucking magic. |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | Then he ignores that this is taking that money away from its other uses when paid as tuition. So he's double counting. |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | lmao he thinks MORE people should be going to college. His numbers don't include that though, they're with the same rate. If its free at public colleges you have to either cap student entry or change the math. |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | Oh great, so he's paying for it by taxing everyone's investments. There it is. |
Keyblade
02.29.20 | oh so he's not just taking every billionaires last cent and redistributing it equally to everyone else. weird how looking into it for 5 minutes changes everything |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | You didn't keep reading. He is literally doing exactly that. He's taking 8% of their money every year. Not income, 8% of everything they have. |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | Calling it a "wealth tax". Sounds better than theft, I guess. |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | To be precise it's 5-8% over a billion depending on brackets he wants. Still fucking disgusting but I digress. |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | This loon's plan is to literally take all their shit within like 20-30 years (which he apparently thinks they're obligated to stay here and let him do it), then fuck it guys who's paddling the boat for the next thousand years we have? |
GhostB1rd
02.29.20 | The Beanie Reich: 2020-2050, collapsed the greatest empire the world had ever known within three decades. |
Deathconscious
02.29.20 | Dumb |
DominionMM1
02.29.20 | a very not unexpected response |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | Networks already called SC for Biden.
Beanie hardest hit. |
kodama
03.01.20 | i really dont know what is going on tbh. seems like a constant "who do we hate today?" contest
Bernie is my choice because he doesn't like the status quo like biden/hillary/obama/etc. want to keep going. something needs to change. |
Deathconscious
03.01.20 | we all knew that was going to happen, not a big setback. |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | Pretty funny how y'all really thought black people fuck with Beanie. |
sixdegrees
03.01.20 | so this means he has your vote now huh |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | Means he has nobody's vote in November. |
Deathconscious
03.01.20 | you sound like CNN in denial that he has a large following. |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | Dude I wish he did. Him on the ticket in November is my dream scenario. |
Deathconscious
03.01.20 | i enjoy your overconfidence. a lot of this mirrors Trump's rise. |
Keyblade
03.01.20 | "To be precise it's 5-8% over a billion depending on brackets he wants. Still fucking disgusting but I digress"
ah shit they're going to take 8% of the dragon's gold. what ever will mike bloomberg do with $32 billion in 2035? |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | Per year dude. Not that it matters cause this is all fantasy anyway, no possible way to make that actually happen. Believe it or not Congress and the judiciary have different views on theft than Beanie Saunders. |
Deathconscious
03.01.20 | so do you think all taxation is theft, or only the amount you dont like? |
Keyblade
03.01.20 | yea per year. the plan is to effectively halve their wealth in the span of 15 years. ur assuming their wealth will remain stagnant in that time lol. all this means is we'll just not have any 100 billionaires anymore. this shit is LIGHT bro
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GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | You do realize it's taxing already taxed money, right? It's like taxing my checking account. |
Keyblade
03.01.20 | yes |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | Actually it means nothing, cause it will never happen, but even if theoretically it did, they'd all leave the U.S. Beanie is the dumbest candidate that has ever run for public office. |
anarchistfish
03.01.20 | Can't wait for global communism so the rich can't escape |
anarchistfish
03.01.20 | Actually that's pretty hilarious. Where are they gonna go? Australia? Europe? China? |
ElioG
03.01.20 | After Bush Jr. and Trump u just cannot use the word "dumb" lighheartedly, beware. |
zakalwe
03.01.20 | I think the answer to everyones issues is more money because money makes happiness. |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | My current plan is to vote for Beanie in the Virginia primaries. Gotta help him get to November any way I can. |
Egarran
03.01.20 | >Where are they gonna go?
Apparently New Zealand. |
Keyblade
03.01.20 | "My current plan is to vote for Beanie in the Virginia primaries. Gotta help him get to November any way I can."
the classic 2016 dem tactic against trump. but yea do it |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | Oh trust, I'm going to. |
Deathconscious
03.01.20 | but yea do it [2] |
GhostB1rd
03.01.20 | Might buy a Beanie 2020 hat. |
ArsMoriendi
03.01.20 | P̵̡̨͕̗͚̞̹̗̙̘̳̘̗̙͉̱͍͈̼̝̜̠̗̖̫̲͖͖̣͎̳̯͖͍̜̏̓̂̿̿̔͌̏̅̈́͊̉͂͆̔͑͛͛̎̽̽̂̿̅̅̉͗̀̀̃́͘̚͠͝ͅö̵̡̙͙͇̟̯͕̝̥̝̙͖̗̭̩̯͙̻̬̱͙̹̪̭͖̼͎̠́̓͑̈́̉̅̏́͐̂̔͐͂͑́̀̓̍̓̕̚͘͜l̷̢̧̨͉̲̪̠̤͚̰̲̲̹̹̳̻̖̰͇̞̙̱̹̻̣̹̫̘͕̣͂̎̎̈́̈́̀͐̑̒͂͊͌̿̓̎̈́̀̈́͒̍͛̐̔̑́̿̿́̔̎̄̕͜͜͜͝͝͠ͅͅí̵̠͇̞̗̤̫͎̍̎̃̎̑̅̒̀̇͒̍͌̈́́̈̊͠͠͠ẗ̴̛̥̪̮͓̩̱̬̲̲̳͍̯̞̼̭͚̦͙̘̻̫̞̲̫̰̥́̓̎̓̄́̈́̓͐̋̒͛͑̓̉̏̈́͗̂́̈̈́͗͐̽̈́͘͜͠͝i̷̢̧̺͍̗͎̻̼̭͕̩̹̖̹͕̩̠̠̹̘͈̠͚̲̼̲͍̣̙̬͍͉̲͑̄̂̎̈͊̍̃́̈̂͋̈́̃̔̔́̌̌͊̓̔̉͌̇̄͌͊̀͂͂̈́̀̌̀̋̂̇͘͜͠͝͠͝ͅc̵̡̢͖̦̹̫̤̣͚̺̤̥̟̗̫͉̤̤̟̟̙͚̮̩͇̝̊̏̀̔̈́̍̅̉̆͗͒̓͗͆̇̄̑̋͐̓̓͗̐̈́̋̓́̀͒̐̀̀̈́̈́̃̍̾̈́̍͘̚͜͜͠͝s̷̨̫̝̞̮̀̎́̀̋̈̊̋̑̈́̉͒̏̉͆̈́̂̕͜ ̵̡̯͙̤͉̻͎̩̏͂̔͗̓̿͛͋̐́͆̾̓̈̽̽͐̂̾̿̌͋̄͑̏̀̽̋͌̃͐̈̽͘̚̕͠͝͝ï̷̧̧̟͈͕̻̯̼̠͙̟̲̬̯͒͜͜͝s̷̡̢̧̛̠̬̯̰̙̳͎͚̯̤͈̜̱͔̙͔̺͚͔͒͑̔̔̒̇̂̾̌̈̓̊͗͌̾̓̽͐͐̈́̀͗̂̅̔̐̌͘͘̚͜͠͠ͅ ̵̢̟̖͈̺̫̤̘̲̳̩̣̰̞̟̱̪̣͚̝͎͍͚̲̮̙̳̰̮̥̤̪̥̜̻͑̀̓͋̓̊a̴̢̨̢̨̡̡̗͈̗̮̪̪̲̘̜͚̪͓͎̩̩̙̦̯̗̼̜̗̻͕͉̗̹̳̝̥̖̪̫̒͂ ̷̧̧̤̬̻̖̪̮̙͚͇̻̝̬͕̳̖͇̿͛́̃̐̄̑͜ļ̶̧̛̛͖͍͕̩̣̘͎͕̗̬̤̫̯̯͍̯̪͙̲͓̟͍̣͔͉̜̝̳͉̼̬͙̤̩̳̙̓̀̾̈̉̿͌̿̽́̓̂́̐̋͑̓̎͑̈́̑̒͆̇͂͊̈͗̽̽̍̂͝͠͝ͅo̶̧̧̨̘͚͔͇̰͙̗͕̲̖͕̺̯͔̣̝̥̘̘̭̱͎̩̤͖͍͓͉̠̭̭̖̍͗͌̏̑̆̈́̃̿̈́̎̓͑̏̕͠ͅs̸̢̡̧̨̡̛̛̱͎͚̘̪̭̘̠͍͚͚̰͔̘̖̦̼̤̪͕̙̯̺̥͖͎͎̱̼̮̪̘͍̑̔͋͑̉͂̒̂̔̅͌̿̒̉͑̉͂̿̃̌̈̉̎̈́̽͌̾̂̒̃̀̽͘̕͘͘̚̕͠͠͝͠ḯ̵̡̦̤̫̫͚̦͎͓̪̫̯͓̳̬͚͇̑̀̒̆́̉͒͊͆͐̓́̏̉́͒͌͗̔̓͌͗̓̀͆̂͐͂̚̕̕͘͝͝ͅͅͅn̵̝͊̀͊̏͋̌̔͐͊̍̓̏̇͐̂̾̒͐̿̕̕͘͠͝ģ̸̰͔͈̳͔̭̤͖̲̰͓̻̫̘̱͈͚̞̤̿̐̔͜ͅ ̷̨̡̡̛͓̠̲̲̞͓̠͖͉̬̖̮͈̬͖̞̹̠̩͎̤̺̬͔̲̲̦̭̤͚̰̱̖̬̺͑̏̽̈́̒͐͂́͌̅̈́̋̒͐̾̄̾̑͐̓̔̄́̐̃̀͋̋̔͂̉̐́̌̀̌̈́̚͠g̵̯̻͉̗͈͖̞͙̽̿̆͒̅̐͛̒͆̇̊̒̾̐͗́̈́̒̍̈́́̏̉̾̽͘͜ͅḁ̷̡̡̨̧̬̞͍̱̰̻̘̫͕͎̪̮̹̞͉͖͚̙̥͈͔̘͖̗̦̞̥̮̗͍͔̣͇̈́̔̓̊̇̊̊͗́̀̑̎̓͗̋́͛͐͐͆́͜͜͜͜ͅm̵̢̡̟̘̮̻̼̗̦̲̭̭̖̱̩̙͉͖͙̮͈͉̠̓̋̈́́̈́̀̏͒ͅë̸̢̡̢̧̨̯̙͖͕̹͍̗̺̳͍̙̭̤̼̺̣͙̯͉͚̦̗̭̻̠̘̺͍̥̗̬̣͓͗̏͑̆̓̓͌̏̒̏͐̄͌̾̓̅͌͐͆̄̐͊̋͗̃̕͝ |
Deathconscious
03.01.20 | what in the fuck, am i the only one seeing this? |
ArsMoriendi
03.01.20 | Seeing what? |
Egarran
03.01.20 | that ghost is buying a beanie hat? yeah I saw that too
pretty racist tbh |
Invaderbryan
03.01.20 | Trump voters are going to help Bernie get the nom.
Anyways. Good luck Bernie, blacks don’t like you |
Sinternet
03.01.20 | 'blacks' |
Invaderbryan
03.01.20 | Damn when did sput become so pc |
Invaderbryan
03.01.20 | How homophobic |
anarchistfish
03.02.20 | only older black ppl from southern carolina matter |
budgie
03.02.20 | https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-three-times-more-popular-joe-biden-young-black-voters-poll-morning-consult-1489720 |
DominionMM1
03.02.20 | rip pete |
butt.
03.02.20 | It seemed I was one of the few who somewhat liked him. Extremely smart young lad, not perfect, but would've been a massive step up from oompa loompa man. |
OmairSh
03.02.20 | butt. |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | "It seemed I was one of the few who somewhat liked him."
why, he's just an extremely fake establishment cunt who wants to do the bidding of his billionaire donors. |
Trebor.
03.02.20 | Warren being open about trying to force a contested convention will go down as top 10 sleeziest political moments |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | all doubts i had that she's garbage are gone now. |
widowslaugh123
03.02.20 | Damn butt I thought you were cool |
gryndstone
03.02.20 | peat would've been fine. Now instead every potential candidate looks like they're about to die |
ArsMoriendi
03.02.20 | Amy Klobuchar is only 59 |
gryndstone
03.02.20 | amy klondike bar is a woman and while I would vote for her I don't trust the country to not be sexist |
widowslaugh123
03.02.20 | Nah she’s somehow more annoying than trump |
ArsMoriendi
03.02.20 | "amy klondike bar"
I feel like this shouldn't have made me laugh, but it did... hard |
GhostB1rd
03.02.20 | [2] |
Egarran
03.02.20 | >every potential candidate looks like they're about to die
Thank you. It's sad but also amusing.
A tired USA is reluctantly dropping its pants and once again assuming the position for the leader. |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | "amy klondike bar is a woman and while I would vote for her"
"peat would've been fine."
Ill never understand why people want to vote for such clearly corrupt corporate whores. Like yeah thats what i want, the status quo. Neither would be fine, theyre both trash who would continue sucking the dicks of the rich and doing fuck all about the environment. |
Sinternet
03.02.20 | ok im with you but you should really try suckin some dick some time its pretty good |
butt.
03.02.20 | never said he was my number 1 option, I've been on the Bernie train since 2015. I just thought it was ridiculous how liberals shifted from "orange man bad" to "mayor man bad" in the span of about 48 hours. like there's a dude running the country right now who thinks global warming and coronavirus are hoaxes. but let's focus all our energy on convincing the American public that Pete is the actual anti-christ, because he, like, worked for a consulting firm or something
that's how you get Drumpf elected again. because now there's a bunch of ex-Pete supporters who won't even consider voting for Bernie after the endless tirades they've had to sit through on reddit and twitter |
madrigal30
03.02.20 | i mean pete had some fuckin SERIOUS flaws, and a lot of bernie supporters have had to sit and listen to enlightened centrist tirades to the contrary, so let's call it even? |
butt.
03.02.20 | my point is that Pete supporters weren't going out of their way to make Bernie supporters feel like shit. Yeah Pete was flawed, but come the fuck on. He's not going to sell the entire country to Exxon Mobile or some shit |
butt.
03.02.20 | I'm sorry you felt physically attacked when Pete talked about his centrist positions like fighting climate change |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | I just thought it was ridiculous how liberals shifted from "orange man bad" to "mayor man bad"
Good, he sucks. Its sad that our standards are so low because of what we've already gotten that Pete seems "not that bad" to some people. And youre really naive if you think hes going to do anything but pageantry for the environment. |
madrigal30
03.02.20 | fair. idk, i certainly am a bernie supporter, but if he doesnt win the nom i'll do anything to keep trump out of office. however, i do feel that pushing back against the less progressive dems is something we need to do if we want lasting change in government |
butt.
03.02.20 | yeah, but that starts with actually getting a liberal back in office. and that "push back" needs to be in the form of better voter turnout, not hateful rhetoric and civil war. Meanwhile, Trump sits back maliciously rubbing his hands together watching democrats tear each other limb from limb. There is quite a list of negative things people could say about Pete...but has it ever mattered??? The dude never polled above 10% consistently. His chances have been over for months. But instead of focusing on Bernie's message, so many of his supporters focused on pissing off other democrat voters. It's been a terrible strategy since day 1. |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | Are we really doing the "bernie supporters are mean" thing? Shouldnt we save that for CNN or something? |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | And tbh i get the anger, people are tired of these gross ass politicians, they dont want another obama or another bush. |
madrigal30
03.02.20 | many people have straight up refused to listen to the ideas of Bernie (and, to a lesser extent, Warren) because of the nature of their campaigns being "socialist." i think converting them would have been a bit of an impossible task, and i think now that the moderates are falling, we're going to see more of these politically active people looking for a way to participate and keep trump from getting a second term. hell, i saw like 8 ppl in the replies of Bernie's ackowledgement tweet about Pete saying they were gonna vote for the Bern. it's gonna take a Warren dropout to really unite people behind Bernie, and possibly even a Klob one |
butt.
03.02.20 | Are we really doing the "bernie supporters are mean" thing?
dude I'm on his subreddits every day. everyone there has good intentions but the assholes are 10x louder than any other candidate's asshole fans, this is not a CNN thing lol. and it's not just that some of them are "mean", it's just the whole Bernie or Bust attitude. People act like if you support anyone other than Bernie, you're a stone cold conservative. Tons of those people stayed home in 2016 because it was Bernie's way or the highway. Look what happened |
butt.
03.02.20 | point is, you can be a fervent progressive while still being civil and reasonable. |
butt.
03.02.20 | " it's gonna take a Warren dropout to really unite people behind Bernie"
yup, but I just heard this morning that she fully plans on staying in until the convention....what a fuckin dick. We're gonna end up with Biden (and thus, Trump re-elected) and it will be entirely her fault |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | "that's how you get Drumpf elected again."
I never got this from liberals. what's the insult here, that he's German? |
butt.
03.02.20 | Honestly I don't even remember where it came from...I just remember John Oliver made a big thing out of it
edit: okay yeah apparently his family changed their last name from Drumpf to Trump lol |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | kinda xenophobic no |
butt.
03.02.20 | um......no
they changed their own last name into a word that unequivocally signifies power, sounds like overcompensating to me |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | nah that's just what immigrants do when they come over to help fit in |
Egarran
03.02.20 | Except Schwarzenegger |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | Drumpf just sounds funny, i enjoy it. |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | it's wack, it's like when conservatives used to be like barack HUSSEIN obama |
ArsMoriendi
03.02.20 | Andrew Yang claims that multiple campaigns have reached out to have to be VP |
butt.
03.02.20 | barack HUSSEIN obama
the implication in doing that is that barack is a terrorist because SADDAM HUSSEIN. not even remotely in the same category |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | no it's not, it's that he's a Muslim foreigner |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | aka the driving force behind birtherism |
butt.
03.02.20 | well it's both.
my own grandmother still fully believes Obama is still secretly al-qaeda or some shit
when you get deep into MAGA land, there is no limit to the level of craziness that can exist |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | yea that's a consequence of her believing he's a Muslim not that he's related to saddam hussein |
butt.
03.02.20 | right but I think that's kinda same thing in this case. Most Americans have only ever heard that name because of the terrorist. |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | u think saddam was one of the hijackers or something or are we just throwing around the word terrorist to mean Muslim bad guy |
butt.
03.02.20 | I mean...he was sentenced to death for crimes against humanity by his own government. Are we really gonna argue he wasn't a terrorist? If so then I think your definition is a wee bit narrow. You don't have to fly the plane to instill terror
but to your credit I guess it would have made more sense if I called him the president or whatever |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | u mean his US puppet government after they destroyed the country lol
he was no more of a terrorist than any other authoritarian leader in history or even Bush at the time who did a pretty good job of instilling terror in Iraqis I'd say, the ones that were left anyway |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | They definitely wanted that name association going on in peoples heads. |
butt.
03.02.20 | yes and it worked |
gryndstone
03.02.20 | Amy Klobyechar |
Feather
03.02.20 | "that's how you get Drumpf elected again."
I never got this from liberals. what's the insult here, that he's German? [2]
edit: okay yeah apparently his family changed their last name from Drumpf to Trump lol
^interesting, finally a reason. Although I still don't get it. |
butt.
03.02.20 | about 90% of the time it's safe to assume that memes like that are just misspelled tweets of his. But yeah in this case john oliver had somethin to do with it |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | so ppl don't even understand why they're saying it |
butt.
03.02.20 | who friggin cares already jesus. it's a meme. you don't need to know the origin of every meme before regurgitating it |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | lol lowkey right wingers are spot on with their npc and orange man bad lib criticisms |
Kompys2000
03.02.20 | Epicly combating human rights violations and blatant corruption with snarky nicknames #rekt |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | recently found out they write tRump like this to emphasize the rump which is apparently boomer for ass. not sure how he'll recover from such an epic own |
budgie
03.02.20 | why are you acting like a goon, key |
Deathconscious
03.02.20 | Got real hung up on that Drumpf thing, huh. |
JoeTex
03.02.20 | lol drumpf |
butt.
03.02.20 | key and I were agreeing on everything in this thread prior to today, not sure what happened. South Carolina changed him |
butt.
03.02.20 | But I high-key agree that tRump is the dumbest shit that I see on any given day |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | I'm just tryna understand the thought process behind it. turns out there isn't one, which I guess I shouldn't have been surprised by. never attribute to malice etc |
butt.
03.02.20 | trying to understand the thought process behind memes is a useful endeavor 0% of the time fyi |
Feather
03.02.20 | This thread is far too violent for me |
Keyblade
03.02.20 | it's literally just the dude's family name being said back at him pejoratively but w/e imma let y'all cook |
Sinternet
03.02.20 | haha memes get it haha funny funny joke DRUMPF looool roflmao |
butt.
03.02.20 | there ya go |
Egarran
03.03.20 | Fascinating to see the news ask random Americans about politics.
Everyone is so inexplicably confident - without seeming to be in any way informed beyond headlines.
Doubt is apparently an American sign of weakness. |
Feather
03.03.20 | @Egarran American politics is and kinda always has been just two deeply entrenched camps and people just pick one, stick to it and eat their brand of propaganda. |
Egarran
03.03.20 | But we can't accept it's all simple tribalism, there must be deeper societal explanations!
Narrator: There wasn't. |
neekafat
03.03.20 | Right now its more like four camps being forced to consolidate into two |
butt.
03.03.20 | more like 5 camps that consolidated into 3, but should be 2 lol. If only Warren could find an ounce of self-awareness |
JoeTex
03.03.20 | bern v biden |
Feather
03.03.20 | Also known as: Hillary vs Trump part II (This time Hillary is a creepy old dude tho)
Edit: I would like to specify I am referring to Biden as the creepy old dude |
neekafat
03.03.20 | Eh I early voted for Warren, sticking to my guns |
butt.
03.03.20 | her policies are solid, but I just think it's a wasted vote... |
zaruyache
03.03.20 | warren was ok before she starting backtracking and jabbing sanders for no reason. she's dead weight and dead potential now. |
butt.
03.03.20 | yeah her sole goal now seems to be taking bernie down, and it's just pathetic |
GhostB1rd
03.04.20 | You guys I didn't vote for Beanie. I was too tired after work to care. I have failed you. |
MO
03.04.20 | sanders is getting spanked lmfao |
Invaderbryan
03.04.20 | lol |
Deathconscious
03.04.20 | "You guys I didn't vote for Beanie. I was too tired after work to care. I have failed you."
nah you just realized it was a dumb idea. |
Invaderbryan
03.04.20 | You came to your senses |
BeyondCosby
03.04.20 | I just wish Bill Weld was the legit Republican candidate. Based on his policies, dude would be an incredible president. |
Valkoor952
03.04.20 | Beanie is dead |
EnyaFangirl
03.04.20 | won't even have to write-in Vermin Supreme this time after he wins the libertarian primary ;) |
Egarran
03.04.20 | Isn't beanie a racist term? |
butt.
03.04.20 | you're thinking of beaner |
Egarran
03.04.20 | Sorry! I don't know why I thought that.
ofc it's a reference to a hat, duh |
Deathconscious
03.04.20 | Lmao i thought you were joking. |
OmairSh
03.04.20 | Why isn't Warren dropping out ffs |
Deathconscious
03.04.20 | Because shes an establishment fuck trying like the rest of them to stop Bernie. |
OmairSh
03.05.20 | It's worked like a charm |
DominionMM1
03.05.20 | she’s been in talks with the bernman about dropping out and endorsing him i believe |
Deathconscious
03.05.20 | really. whered you hear that? |
GhostB1rd
03.05.20 | Maintain hope for a Beanie Christmas miracle. |
butt.
03.05.20 | GhostB1rd we should go canvas for Trump together. Let's knock on some doors and make america great again |
budgie
03.05.20 | make america slave owners again |
unclereich
03.05.20 | Trump is hitler |
DominionMM1
03.05.20 | https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/warren-to-think-through-her-future-top-aide-says/2020/03/04/bf7d20ca-5e38-11ea-9055-5fa12981bbbf_story.html%3foutputType=amp |
unclereich
03.05.20 | Pocahontas |
GhostB1rd
03.05.20 | Yes, yes. Trump will enslave the black American populace. Yes. |
GhostB1rd
03.05.20 | I was just weirded out by him waiting until his second term to do so tbh. |
unclereich
03.05.20 | Trumps racist |
budgie
03.05.20 | trumps butt smells like swordfish |
unclereich
03.05.20 | Im sick of old white men running this country vote for bernie |
budgie
03.05.20 | OLD
WHITE
MEN
ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE HORRORS IN THIS WORLD!!!11!!
we need
a midget
albino
uh
uhhh
lesbian
to run this country god damnit |
unclereich
03.05.20 | trumm is orange |
budgie
03.05.20 | no thats just what the librul fake media wants u to believe hes not orange irl |
unclereich
03.05.20 | You sound like a trumpanze |
budgie
03.05.20 | im a trumpeteer all hail god emperor daughter fucker look at 13 year old models in locker room incestuous dumbfuck president
i love him more than u do |
unclereich
03.05.20 | You sound like a typical fascist |
budgie
03.05.20 | ya everyone who likes trump is a fascist ergo |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
03.05.20 | Someone check this dudes blood pressure |
budgie
03.05.20 | i already know my blood pressure
it's 69 |
DominionMM1
03.05.20 | that could bankrupt him |
Egarran
03.05.20 | Voting just keeps you complacent.
Obv the deep state is keeping Trump in power. |
ElioG
03.05.20 | We don't care about super Tuesday. We'll find our cure and on Friday we'll be in love. |
Invaderbryan
03.05.20 | By the way it’s Super Thursday everyone! |
butt.
03.05.20 | Trump paid for Biden's abortion, like & retweet if u agree |
anarchistfish
03.07.20 | "@Egarran American politics is and kinda always has been just two deeply entrenched camps and people just pick one, stick to it and eat their brand of propaganda."
from the outside this seems to be slowly changing honestly |
anarchistfish
03.07.20 | also you guys have like 55% turnout which is not only pathetic but shows a lot of ppl really aren't in on this 2-side fight anymore |
anarchistfish
03.07.20 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections#Turnout_statistics
actually it didn't even breach 54% from 1976 to 2000 |
anarchistfish
03.07.20 | in the UK ppl lose their shit cos turnout has dropped below 70% |
Egarran
03.07.20 | The electorate is massively incompetent, possibly by educational and propagandist designs.
It's not that they dislike the 2-side fight, it's that participating in politics beyond tribalism has become un-american and elitist. |
CaliggyJack
03.07.20 | RIP Pocahontas she only got 1/1024th of the votes |
GhostB1rd
03.08.20 | You guys do know that many people don't vote because their states are already massively one sided, right? No real point voting in California in a liberal district, for example, nor in Texas in a red one. |
GhostB1rd
03.08.20 | My state is at least somewhat purple (used to be more like) but voting in local elections is a waste of time cause sometimes there's not even a Republican candidate on the ballot it's so blue. |
beefshoes
03.08.20 | Fucking think that Biden is going to lose this one. Trump is already preparing to hit him hard on his history with social security, and his (likely) dementia. |
GhostB1rd
03.08.20 | Beanie just promised free everything for everybody as long as he's in office.
Your move, Joe. |
OmairSh
03.09.20 | Bernie has a vision at least. Biden is Obama's VP, and he makes it known |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.09.20 | but joe truly is an obiden bama democrat |
Deathconscious
03.09.20 | oh shit, Biden has 666 delegates right now, the republicans were right. Barrack HUSSEIN Obama is a Muslim terrorist and the antichrist, and Biden is here to continue his work. |
GhostB1rd
03.10.20 | You guys are gonna be so mad the next five years. |
Deathconscious
03.10.20 | "Trump is going to continue fucking me and everyone else who isnt rich up the ass, LOL cant wait to see the look on their faces!" |
butt.
03.10.20 | Voting in Michigan tomorrow. Getting up early for Bernie even though his chances are becoming more dismal by the minute |
Deathconscious
03.10.20 | even if he doesnt win, the fact that he even got as far as he has is a good sign that Americans are moving further left. |
GhostB1rd
03.10.20 | Your primary voters are moving further left. That's not a general. |
GhostB1rd
03.10.20 | Your white* primary voters. |
Invaderbryan
03.10.20 | Can’t wait for Bernie to lose again. |
anarchistfish
03.16.20 | Did Biden collapse
From clips he seems pretty solid unfortunately |
OmairSh
03.16.20 | I didn't watch it. But Trump will probably pound him in the general |
OmairSh
03.16.20 | Ghostbird, is being a cunt a personal choice? |
GhostB1rd
03.16.20 | It's largely genetic. |
anarchistfish
03.16.20 | Gotta love when ghost parrots liberal talking points to own the Bernie bros |
GhostB1rd
03.16.20 | Gotta love when the numbers are the numbers. |
anarchistfish
03.16.20 | So only Ur token African Americans 50 and over count then. Any other poc can fuck off |
Egarran
03.16.20 | The numbers clearly show that a majority of the American electorate are stupid and cruel |
GhostB1rd
03.16.20 | "So only Ur token African Americans 50 and over count then. Any other poc can fuck off"
Yikes. Someone is mad the "coloreds" aren't voting the way he wants. |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | Commies did coronavirus. Remember that Bernie bros. #rekt |
OmairSh
03.16.20 | Man there are so many idiots in the US it's astonishing. That's why morons like Bush and Trump get elected. But that's what the country deserves. The only problem is that these asshats cause lots of damage to other countries with their wars |
GhostB1rd
03.16.20 | Those idiots! They should vote for Beanie, the smart man's choice! |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | how's the view from your soapbox, OmairSh? |
GhostB1rd
03.16.20 | If elected, Beanie will provide a free soapbox for every American. All views will be equal. |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | Those idiots! They should vote for Beanie, the smart man's choice! [2] |
GhostB1rd
03.16.20 | Beanie is for the intel of gents. |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | Let's see them bread lines! |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | Agreed, the government should aid those in poverty. |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | So Bernie, how would you enact policy that would mitigate the spread of this pandemic?
Bernie: Look, here's my view. Pharmaceutical companies BAD. China GOOD. End of discussion. |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | Lol what |
butt.
03.16.20 | what Bernie actually said: We need to trust scientists and stop running from reality
what Trump has done thus far: make up his own facts that are immediately contradicted by his own experts, lie and say things are "under control" just to stop his precious stock market from crashing, and blame the democrats |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | "lie and say things are 'under control' just to stop his precious stock market from crashing"
You just described China perfectly. Well done. |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | ok? |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | so youre saying Trump's leadership is as shitty as China's? whats your point. |
butt.
03.16.20 | yeah, that does describe china accurately as well. And that's a pretty disturbing thing for Trump's administration to have in common with China's government, agreed? |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | No. I'm saying you gents are laying the blame at the foot of the wrong group. If China wasn't so fucking inept and complacent and sluggish with their containment procedures, this wouldn't be happening right now. This thing transcends partisan bickering, yet every time a question was leveled at Sanders regarding what HIS response would be, he took it as an opportunity to kiss China's ass and peddle his same tired talking points. |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | i didnt watch the debate so i cant comment on that. but we're not laying blame at the foot of the wrong group. i blame both the Chinese government and Trump's administration. China making the first mistake doesnt excuse Trump's astounding incompetence in dealing with this. |
butt.
03.16.20 | exactly. |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | "China making the first mistake doesnt excuse Trump's astounding incompetence in dealing with this."
Right, because Sanders' Dollar Store revolutionary platform of deeply entrenched bureaucracy for the healthcare industry would've been far more effective at combating this virus. Pair that with lack of border control and the private industry brought to its knees and you've got yourself a perfect storm. |
butt.
03.16.20 | Sanders isn't the president. Democrats don't run the government right now. Republicans run the show with Trump frantically steering the ship into iceberg after iceberg. So, sorry, we can only criticize what has ACTUALLY happened and whose actions got us here.
Also, "private industry" is doing nothing here. Federal government is the one bailing out Wall street, again. State governments are closing schools, sport, and other public activities. IF Bernie was president, he wouldn't have dismantled the organizations Obama created to deal with this exact type of scenario. That's what Trump did, and big surprise, here we are ill-prepared. |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | "So, sorry, we can only criticize what has ACTUALLY happened and whose actions got us here."
And how exactly has Trump gotten us here? |
butt.
03.16.20 | see my edit. his attempts to undo anything the previous administration did are dangerous and childish. that's the big one. but also, like I said, constantly lying and saying things are under control instead of being real with people and saying "STAY HOME FOR THE LOVE OF GOD." If experts tell us to do one thing, you can guarantee he'll tell you to do the opposite. |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | "we have 15 cases and pretty soon we think it will be zero."
fucking dumbass. |
butt.
03.16.20 | yeah you literally cannot trust a single word he utters. it's unbelievable. |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | dont forget, he dissolved the pandemic response team two years ago. again: fucking dumbass. |
butt.
03.16.20 | yeah that's what I was referring in my last big comment |
Rowhaus
03.16.20 | "Also, 'private industry' is doing nothing here."
What about Moderna's efforts with a vaccine? What about literally every private-owned store that's supplying people through this crisis? What about business allocating resources to their employees for treatment and quarantine? Also, how exactly does dissolving the pandemic response team equate to a doomsday misstep? There's not a single shred of evidence to suggest they would've done anything to assuage the situation. |
butt.
03.16.20 | "What about literally every private-owned store that's supplying people through this crisis"
uh so like doing their normal jobs? how would bernie have prevented grocery stores from selling products as usual? jfc
"Also, how exactly does dissolving the pandemic response team equate to a doomsday misstep? There's not a single shred of evidence to suggest they would've done anything to assuage the situation."
that's literally what the team existed for holy shit. that's like saying "Sure we dissolved the fire department, but there's not a shred of evidence that firefighters could have prevented your house from burning down"
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Deathconscious
03.16.20 | "yeah that's what I was referring in my last big comment"
i figured, i was just getting specific.
Obama is a Wall Street shill, but i have to give him credit for the things he did right, and yeah, Trump's mission to undo everything he did indiscriminately is beyond retarded. more extreme narcissism. |
GhostB1rd
03.16.20 | butt I hereby name you dookie's retarded stepson. |
GhostB1rd
03.16.20 | The fibers of retardation shall bind ye. |
butt.
03.16.20 | ah yes, this thread was noticeably lacking the stench of dumbassery. welcome back ghost. |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | so speaking of giving credit to pieces of shit, fox was saying something about how the Trump administration talked to insurance companies and most of the big ones agreed to cover people who need treatment from the virus for free. is it really that cut and dry? on the surface its surprising and sounds like a great thing to do, but knowing this administration (and fox) i feel like there must be a catch to it that makes it maybe not as good as it sounds. |
butt.
03.16.20 | yeah I actually know the answer to that, the insurance companies will cover the COPAYS only. not the actual treatment. so once again just straight up bullshit spewing from his little poophole mouth |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | ahh, i see now. theyre not waiving copays for treatment, just copays for testing lmao, what a fucking joke. |
Deathconscious
03.16.20 | @butt yeah, i figured that was way too altruistic and helpful to be totally true. |