jefflebowski: Best Punk Albums Ever

jefflebowski 09.05.11	Honorable mention for Bad Brains' self-titled and Minutemen's Double Nickels on the Dime, which just missed out due to my current love of Refused.
Trebor. 09.05.11	5, that's it?
wabbit 09.05.11	5 sucks ass
jayfatha 09.05.11	5 certainly does not suck ass
Realm 09.05.11	5 is good but it's not the best hardcore album ever. 4 rules hard
jefflebowski 09.05.11	Yeah, 5 was a bit of a wildcard choice. Bear in mind that these are the ones I like best, not the best ones ever. Otherwise refused wouldn't get a look in
Titan50 09.05.11	Fuck you if you don't like Refused
jefflebowski 09.05.11	It's such an awesome album as a whole, it holds together really well. Also, the sex pistols are awful
whywontyoudie 09.05.11	great to see 2.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Missing every great punk record.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	name them.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=455175&listid=75882#3 I don't have to, considering I already did. Now, do you want lube or raw?
Satellite 09.05.11	btmi
theacademy 09.05.11	i throw my hands up in the air sometime
boogs 09.05.11	Check out NoMeansNo - Wrong
jefflebowski 09.05.11	I'll give you bad brains and NOFX, but the rest are either far too diverse to be punk albums or not as good ;). I was being very narrow in my selection, bear in mind.
Skoj 09.05.11	#2 ftw
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"I'll give you bad brains and NOFX, but the rest are either far too diverse to be punk albums or not as good ;). I was being very narrow in my selection, bear in mind." That's the single dumbest statement I've read all day, and trust me, I've read a lot of them.
porch 09.05.11	nofx are far from the best band on that list
jefflebowski 09.05.11	Patti Smith is not straight punk. There's no need to be rude
Carnifex 09.05.11	LOL
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Patti Smith isn't straight punk? You want to retract that statement before I make you look even dumber than before?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Don't say anything, Porch. I want to either hear his explanation, or watch him delete that.
FearThyEvil 09.05.11	5 is more hardcore then straight punk if that's what your list is going for.
OrangeHologram 09.05.11	needs Husker Du
jefflebowski 09.05.11	patti smith is punk like television and talking heads are punk. I was looking more toward the hardcore end of the genre. Being arrogant doesn't exactly help your argument either....
iFghtffyrdmns 09.05.11	"btmi" btmi
Trebor. 09.05.11	patti smith is punk like television and talking heads are pun Fuck off
jefflebowski 09.05.11	I might do a pt. 2 of this to get all the bands I missed off, 5 albums is way too little in retrospect
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"patti smith is punk like television and talking heads are punk. I was looking more toward the hardcore end of the genre. Being arrogant doesn't exactly help your argument either...." That explains why she's called the "Godmother of Punk, "right?
jefflebowski 09.05.11	'patti smith is punk like television and talking heads are punk' New York Punk, yeah
OrangeHologram 09.05.11	*post-punk
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	You're a fucking moron. No offense
Trebor. 09.05.11	You don't deserve to be named after Lebowski
jefflebowski 09.05.11	Well I must be, If I disagree with your esteemed opinion. Patti Smith was a massive influence on punk, sure, hence the 'godmother' title, but she was musically far removed from american hardcore punk and many of the british punk bands too. 'Horses' isn't all that similar to many of the albums on this list. I'm sorry if you disagree, but it doesn't make me an idiot
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Yeah, he'd be much more knowledgeable on the subject.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"Patti Smith was a massive influence on punk, sure, hence the 'godmother' title, but she was musically far removed from american hardcore punk and many of the british punk bands too. 'Horses' isn't all that similar to many of the albums on this list. I'm sorry if you disagree, but it doesn't make me an idiot" So wait, since she's not "British," she's not punk? Oh, that logic's about as solid as a fresh piece of dog shit.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	nope, I never said that, and yes, suggesting that would be bullshit. I consider her to be proto-punk/new york punk, as her musical style is so different to most punk bands
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I didn't know there was a formula you had to follow to be punk.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	don't certain genres imply certain musical styles?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Sure, but if we wanna get really technical then, how can you include Black Flag, Minor Threat, and Refused on here? Black Flag and Minor Threat are hardcore, and Refused are post-hardcore/hardcore. See where your argument is flawed? Next time you wanna make a punk list, learn to punk.
OrangeHologram 09.05.11	is punk even a verb yet
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I'm punking right now. Oh, no.... I meant puking....
jefflebowski 09.05.11	hardcore punk, is still punk. The hardcore punk scene rose directly out of the punk scene and bears a very heavy resemblance to it. The proto-punk scene contained a much more eclectic range of artists that influenced the genre in different ways, so I wouldn't group them under the punk umbrella. Patti Smith and the MC5 aren't very similar musically, but I'd call them both proto-punk, which to me defines a much wider range of music. Sorry if I'm rambling on. I'll give you refused though, I kinda regret putting that on now
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	and lol, proto-punk and post-punk, well, must still be punk then. Seriously, think about what you say before you say it.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	well, no, I explained the difference in the somewhat verbose paragraph after it. For me, proto-punk doesn't tie in to a specific style of music, and punk, for the purposes of this particular list, does.
OrangeHologram 09.05.11	subgenre subgenre subgenre
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"well, no, I explained the difference in the somewhat verbose paragraph after it. For me, proto-punk doesn't tie in to a specific style of music, and punk, for the purposes of this particular list, does." IT'S CALLED PROTO-PUNK HOLY SHIT
jefflebowski 09.05.11	So if it's proto-punk it's not gonna be straight punk is it? This is getting pedantic now, we're just arguing over semantics. I'm sorry if I've annoyed you
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Well, hardcore punk isn't straight punk either.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	musically, it's much closer than patti smith is
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	It doesn't matter. It's all punk. Holy shit, how do you not understand this?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I understand your list is a matter of opinion, but to just dismiss an artist or a group of artists because they don't sound like your "ideal" punk just makes you seem really, really ignorant.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	well, when I was making the list, it did matter. Look, you're probably right, I'm sure you're more knowledgeable about the subject than me. I'm only 16 and still exploring the genre etc. etc. But there's no need to get so pissed off about a difference of opinion
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I'm not mad about a difference of opinion. I'm not mad about anything. I'm just completely dumbfounded as to how you can tell me that Patti Smith, Minutemen, etc. isn't "punk" enough.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	and I wasn't dismissing them, 'Horses' is a fucking amazing album
Trebor. 09.05.11	I learned to punk when I was like 10 dude You have no excuse
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Yeah, you are! Lol, you're telling me Patti Smith doesn't belong on a punk list because she's not "punk sounding" enough for you. That's dismissing her.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	In terms of their music, they're too musically diverse. That's a good thing though, right? In terms of attitude and ethics, the Minutemen and Patti Smith are about as punk as it gets
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Ugh..... you're fucking impossible. IT'S PUNK, WHETHER YOU'RE DISCUSSING SOUND OR ATTITUDE. IT'S FUCKING PUNK..... as I said earlier, learn to punk. And if you don't have much experience with the genre, how are you even able to form an opinion about what is or what isn't? Maybe you should stop posting and read a little bit.
Satellite 09.05.11	semantics semantics everywhere
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Satty, there's semantics, and then there's just downright ignorance. This is the latter.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	jesus christ, It was only a list, for a bit of fun. I'm sorry I made the comments I did, they were probably ill advised I'll admit- I didn't want to get into another semantics argument.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	edit: accidental post
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"jesus christ, It was only a list, for a bit of fun." There is no fun on Sputnik, especially when you make dumb comments. Well, it's fun for me.....
jefflebowski 09.05.11	well fuck me, sorry I spoke. Seriously though, it IS possible to correct me without being patronizing/insulting
jefflebowski 09.05.11	haven't I verbally flagellated myself enough for you guys yet?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"well fuck me, sorry I spoke. Seriously though, it IS possible to correct me without being patronizing/insulting" No, it's not. How do you expect me to have fun if I can't be condescending?
Tyrael 09.05.11	Hey jeff, I suggest you take a look at this: http://ohinternet.com/Rules_of_the_Internet
jefflebowski 09.05.11	I guess that comes with the territory, huh?
Satellite 09.05.11	eww ohinternet
porch 09.05.11	"punk is whatever we made it to be." -- d. boon and yeah you're way too concerned with what punk bands "should" sound like, as a style of music it can't really be externally defined and there isn't really any boundaries to the artists you could put on this list if you think their ethos/attitude fits the term stop now cos this is a shitty argument
wabbit 09.05.11	NICE FUCKING EDIT!
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"I guess that comes with the territory, huh?" Well, when you're omnipotent like myself, it's kinda hard not to be patronizing.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	Agreed. Sorry if I offended/pissed off anyone, It wasn't intentional
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	You didn't offend anyone. Are you new to the internet? Here, let me show you around.
jefflebowski 09.05.11	I'm desperately trying to tread the line between politeness, and sounding like a naive 69 year old who's just received their first laptop
Satellite 09.05.11	http://badsandwichchronicles.blogspot.com/2008/07/hi-ho-hi-ho.html
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"I'm desperately trying to tread the line between politeness, and sounding like a naive 69 year old who's just received their first laptop" There's nothing in between the lines. Just take my hand....... dude, wash your hands. That's fucking disgusting.
theacademy 09.05.11	media fyre
jefflebowski 09.05.11	hahahaha, don't worry. I'm actually left-handed
wabbit 09.05.11	has everyone heard modern lovers-modern lovers cause I'm fucking pissed if you guys have and didn't tell me about it earlier
theacademy 09.05.11	has everyone heard modern lovers-modern lovers cause I'm fucking pissed if you guys have and didn't tell me about it earlier
porch 09.05.11	**** band
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	has everyone heard modern lovers-modern lovers cause I'm fucking pissed if you guys have and didn't tell me about it earlier
porch 09.05.11	btw listmaker if you want recs try these rudimentary peni - cacophony flipper - generic meat puppets - II wipers - is this real die kreuzen - s/t negative approach - s/t dicks - hate the police the crucifucks - s/t angry samoans - back from samoa x - los angeles
Satellite 09.05.11	has everyone heard modern lovers-modern lovers cause I'm fucking pissed if you guys have and didn't tell me about it earlier
jefflebowski 09.05.11	thanks! I've been listening to MP II recently, actually, which is awesome, but I've been meaning to check out Flipper for a while as well. Are the later MP albums worth a listen too dya reckon?
porch 09.05.11	yeah up on the sun is a classic as well. the s/t debut is weird country-hardcore and it rules the later albums are less unique but i still like most of them
jefflebowski 09.05.11	I'll work my way through the discography then. Cheers for the rec
Blackbelt54 09.06.11	Lol this thread lol pit. The albums on this list are awesome despite it missing the majority of the best punk bands