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GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.14.16	1 Say the same thing every goddamn year and have a better success rate than anyone I know.
kris. 10.14.16	8 hahahahaha :(
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	Browns
Sinternet 10.14.16	25
DarkSideOfLucca 10.14.16	1 or 21 would be nice. Purely because if either of those win, I will get to have a lot of happy beer times with either my NY or MA crew. Don't care too much for sports.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I happen to be a big football fan as you can see, but even if it's not my team I love hitting the team-specific bars with my friends who have their teams. Makes for good times. A NYG-NE rematch would be poetic but I'm pulling for a PIT-ARI rematch.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	How many picks, just 1?
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	I got Steelers vs. Seahawks
DarkSideOfLucca 10.14.16	Agreed hard on team-specific bars being a great time, and this is from a nonsports fan.
StrikeOfTheBeast 10.14.16	33 is going to win the super bowl. 'nuff said
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Only one pick
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I considered matchups but the hierarchy has been kinda shaken up so it's hard to whittle it down to a list that isn't massive and I wanted the Browns, Dolphins, Niners, etc. fans to feel like they actually have a chance.
DominionMM1 10.14.16	pats
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Went to a Broncos bar few weeks ago. Free shots, hot waitresses, merch giveaways, it was great.
grannypantys 10.14.16	really looking forwards to Falcons/Seahawks this weekend
DominionMM1 10.14.16	rarely do i find myself pulling for the seahawks but i hope the obliterate the falcons
pjquinones747 10.14.16	It's a tough matchup to predict. Falcons looked legit last weekend but they'll have people skeptical until they win playoff games to be honest. Cardinals got to the NFC Championship and people still shat on them.
DominionMM1 10.14.16	atlanta hasn't shown anything to make me think they're legit contenders. killer offense and a horrific defense doesn't make for a winning combo.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I'm a Cardinals fan so I want the Seahawks to get torn to bits, but it won't happen.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	That horrific defense played pretty well last weekend mate.
DominionMM1 10.14.16	yeah because denvers offense has been a juggernaut otherwise
MyNameIsPencil 10.14.16	Vikings as long as they hold up that defense alone can keep the team at like 12-4/13-3 SKOL Bradford
Minnesota 10.14.16	do I even gotta say the username says it all
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Their offense has been more than enough for their other games. It's not like they're winning games 9 to 6 because their offense sucks. See: DEN@CIN
BullettoBinary2 10.14.16	26- packers
pjquinones747 10.14.16	The update page is buggy as fuck. The names aren't disappearing but I keep having to re-enter every number.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Screw this noise I'm gonna keep a tally sheet and recount in big chunks
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Falcons are phonies, Vikings are foreal
Hawks 10.14.16	Steelers vs Vikings and Steelers will win.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Also Vikings>>>Packers no debate
DominionMM1 10.14.16	"Their offense has been more than enough for their other games. It's not like they're winning games 9 to 6 because their offense sucks. See: DEN@CIN" denver? you do realize they only managed to put up 13 against the chargers shit defense just last night right? and bear in mind that denver's point totals are skewed because their defense has taken a few to the house.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	They have Sanders, Anderson, DT, and Booker is up and coming. O-line is top 12 and Siemian is a reliable QB. Chargers always have Denver's number mate. Like the Rams and Seahawks.
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	all this vikings hype cant wait to see em fall at the final third of the season
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I got Minnesota and Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl and Big Ben coming through in the clutch. AB might break Fitzgerald's playoff records with only 3 games.
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	wouldnt mind another steelers SB w, Bens been on point
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Good chance that Seattle/Green Bay reprise some late season magic and make it though. I don't see any of the other perennials/newbies making enough noise to top any of these three including my own team, barring miracle.
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	Packers reprise baby im all for it
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Although I could see AZ sneaking in wildcard and ganking GB for the third time. Even if we lose again after that it would just be poetic.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Someone blow out Seattle again too please. I can see them very slowly fading into mortal status again and it warms my heart.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Space do you really want your vote to be for the Browns? I'll do it.
JoyfulPlatypus 10.14.16	21 Let's see it happen.
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	nah its too early to tell so put me down for packers gotta support my team
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Giants aren't playing to their talent level of late.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	"Someone blow out Seattle again too please. I can see them very slowly fading into mortal status again and it warms my heart." L o l
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Usually don't agree with Dominion on football things but he's been on point like the whole thread, except for the Pats winning the super bowl.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Laughing because funny or because it won't happen? I know both are probably true.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Pats might. They always might.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	I just can't see Brady/Bilicheck getting ring #5, at least together.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	It's all Belichick. See how good Garropolo looked? All Belichick. Brady's still one of the best to play but he wouldn't be as great without Belichick for sure.
DominionMM1 10.14.16	"Chargers always have Denver's number mate." Think you should look into that. prior to last night Denver had won 5 straight in SAN Diego.
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	It's all Belichick [2]
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.14.16	"It's all Belichick" Stop saying this. Brady is one of the greatest to ever play. Gronk is the best TE of all time. The Pats have the best coaching, yes, but they also have hella talent on their roster.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	"It's all Belichick" Dumbest shit I've heard in a minute. Lets see them dominate the AFC for 15 years and win four super bowls without Brady.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I stand corrected. Doesn't make Denver any less good of an offense. Divisional matchups are tossup and you'd be a fool not to think so.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	And yeah last night was the first road division loss for the broncos since 2010 lol
pjquinones747 10.14.16	They wouldn't be AS dominant, maybe not win the division every single year. Brady does make his players better, but Belichick does MUCH more for them than Brady ever could. Put any of the top half quarterbacks in the league under that coach and they'll win 11 games minimum.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Hell, I'll bet he could make the playoffs with most of the starting quarterbacks in the league. Belichick might be the greatest head coach of all time, so don't get him and Brady mixed up.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.14.16	This is the same argument you hear with people acting like Pop could take the Spurs as far as he has with some band of scrubs like he hasn't had Timmy, Tony, and Manu all these years.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Belicheck also threw 50 TDs in 2007 and shredded the LoB in the Super Bowl too right?
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I'm not nearly as well versed in basketball, but I know the games are different enough for that not to be relatable. Coaching is much less important in basketball than football.
Futures 10.14.16	1
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.14.16	I saw that edit Alex.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Brady is a top 10 quarterback all time, but Belichick has been coaching the guy up for 15 years. Pats nearly made the playoffs with Matt fucking Cassel. Try to swallow that one for a sec.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.14.16	See Futures got it right.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Brady goes 18-1 in 2007 and breaks like every single season passing record, Matt Cassell goes 11-5, struggles against good teams, and misses the playoffs in 2008 with essentially the exact same team. Thats like a 6 win difference.
DominionMM1 10.14.16	"I stand corrected. Doesn't make Denver any less good of an offense. Divisional matchups are tossup and you'd be a fool not to think so." and you'd be a fool to think that denvers offense was gonna maintain its production from their first 3 games. You'd also be a fool to think that all divisional games are equal.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.14.16	"nearly made the playoffs" =/= "won four championships"
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Maybe so, but a lesser coach doesn't win games with a shit QB like Cassel. Plenty of teams have been victim to that circumstance over the years but the greatest coach of all time can win anyways.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.14.16	"It's all Belichick" Just so we're clear, this was the argument you were trying to defend.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Switch out Andy Dalton or Russell Wilson with Matt Cassel and see what happens.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Same result with Andy Dalton maybe worse, probably make the playoffs with current day Russell Wilson.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	You might not be understanding the point I'm making then. Cassel sucked and Belichick won 10 games with him. Cassel went to another team and then everyone realized that he sucks. Why? Belichick is amazing. So put Brady under Mike Munchak as his head coach or someone else with the same Patriots roster and I promise you they won't do NEARLY as well. Belichick is GOAT and Brady would still be good without him, but I bet the rest of the top quarterbacks in the league could have a very similar resume under Belichick.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I didn't explain that well at all. Put Cassel in the 1QB role for CIN or SEA.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Matt Cassel made the playoffs with the Chiefs.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Matt Cassel is also backup to an average quarterback on a shit team now.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	What did Belicheck do in Cleveland though?
pjquinones747 10.14.16	"and you'd be a fool to think that denvers offense was gonna maintain its production from their first 3 games. You'd also be a fool to think that all divisional games are equal." Equal wouldn't be the best word to use, but when you play a team two times a year every single year you know them far better than other teams do. This is basic knowledge and has been proven time and time again. I wasn't surprised one bit that the Chargers knocked off Denver and Denver is still a top 5 NFL team with a very effective offense.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Read The Education of a Coach about Belichick's coaching career. He's developed his craft over a number of years and Cleveland was the time where he had to overcome the learning curve of head coaching.
DisdainfulChemist 10.14.16	foolish
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	Lmao I love how salty people react to giving all the patriots credit to Belichick... more than half the reason ppl say it
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.14.16	Nah pjquinones is serious, though.
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	Obviously the coach isn't puppet stringing every player, people take shit way too seriously
DominionMM1 10.14.16	"Denver is still a top 5 NFL team with a very effective offense." their offense is ranked 24th in yards per game, with 4 of their 6 games against below average defenses. it's an offense that's effective when their defense gets turnovers and they have short fields to work with.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Arizona is near top 10 in YPG on offense and defense and they're 2-3.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	What about ppg
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Arizona won't do anything in the playoffs as long as they have Carson Palmer at QB
PistolPete 10.14.16	Lol who put KC? Good one... I'm thinking it's gonna be Patriots vs. Green Bay, and the Patriots will wipe their ass with them.
Futures 10.14.16	palmer almost won the mvp last year it's like you forgot lol
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Packers aren't even the best team in their division let alone the best in the NFC dating back to the second half of last season.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	15th. So maybe not "above average" by that stat but statistically average. I don't really care for YPG unless I'm looking for fantasy advice.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Palmer is a regular season QB, completely falls apart in the playoffs. 1-3 as a starter in the playoffs with a horrible td-int ratio. And they only one a playoff game last year because Fitzgerald went absolute ape shit in overtime while Palmer was trying to give the game away with all his picks
Futures 10.14.16	1 with the cardinals can't fault him completely
Futures 10.14.16	packers winning the nfc north dude lol. the vikings will be exposed soon. there running game is horrendous without ap
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Futures I'm an AZ fan so yeah but the offense hasn't been on it this year. I believe they can get back on track but they have to do it in a different way because teams are dropping deep zones all game and that's the entire AZ offense as of last year. Just gotta feed DJ.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Yeah but the Packers are struggling hard on offense all across the board (same as last year even with Nelson back) and they're defense only looks good because they haven't played any note worthy offense yet.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	And how can you not see the fault with 1 playoff win during a 14 year career as an NFL QB?
Futures 10.14.16	because those bengals teams weren't very good? duh
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Lol he wasn't the equiv of Andrew Luck on the current day Colts either.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Has Marv Lewis still never won a playoff game?
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Also Chad Johnson and TJ Housyourmoma was the equivalent of Gronk and Julien Edlemen back in the day.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Edelman > TJ > CJ > Gronk
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Nah and Marvin Lewis should have been fired like 8 years ago.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Chad Johnson is a future hall of famer dude lol Oh nvm it's reverse
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Greater than signs creating controversy
RogueNine 10.14.16	I'd like to say Packers, but I'll have to go with Steelers.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	bump
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	'And they only one a playoff game last year because Fitzgerald went absolute ape shit in overtime while Palmer was trying to give the game away with all his picks' RIP as a packers fan that play sat me the fuck down. only thing harder to watch was the 2014 (i think) championship game vs seahawks
DominionMM1 10.14.16	"15th. So maybe not "above average" by that stat but statistically average.I don't really care for YPG unless I'm looking for fantasy advice." they're actually lower than that when you don't count touchdowns that the defense scored, which puts them in chiefs/jags territory. ypg does come in handy when you look at them in context. i mean, when you look at denver's ypg, then look at the amount of takeaways they have, it tells you how denver's offense is getting a lot of help from their defense.
teamster 10.14.16	Patriots win another.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Wonder what Denver could be doing wrong with all that talent. Is Kubiak calling the plays? He shouldn't be.
MyNameIsPencil 10.14.16	I cannot see why people are favouring the packers right now tbh they could easily have only 1 win right now
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Honestly I agree. They've fallen a long way. Still will probably pull together 10 wins or so
MyNameIsPencil 10.14.16	True, but if they keep this up they'll be pulling 6-8 win seasons in no time which is fine by me cause fuck the packers tbh meanwhile my niners :[
pjquinones747 10.14.16	Should I count your vote for San Francisco?
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	"I cannot see why people are favouring the packers right now tbh they could easily have only 1 win right now" true but at the same time their only loss was a close one against the only undefeated team in the league at their new stadium. not denying that the packers are spotty but you def give em too much hate while i give them too much love lol
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I don't think the stadium makes a big difference.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Nah it does... because it's a dome.
TheSpaceMan 10.14.16	what how think of all the hype going in to play a competetive divisional rival as the very first game in a brand new home, a ton of psych stuff going on there for both sides
DominionMM1 10.14.16	"Wonder what Denver could be doing wrong with all that talent. Is Kubiak calling the plays?" he wasn't calling plays last night because he was at home. denver has talent at some of the skill positions but their O-line is inconsistent and i think you're gonna see semien struggle as teams get more film on him and figure out what denver is doing with him, his tendencies, and his strengths and weaknesses.
pjquinones747 10.14.16	I guess it's hard to put myself in their shoes.
RogueNine 10.14.16	I think Siemian is serviceable but yeah didn't expect them to drop two in a row. Though Lynch was QB for one of those.
GmemberKills 10.14.16	1 the patriots offense is gonna be a monster... the group of pass catchers that brady has at his disposal this season could arguably be better than 07's. The whole brady vs belickick argument is stupid though. The difference between brady and other qbs is that he is so clutch. I mean belichick would have success with someone else at the position, but andy dalton isn't give you a game winning drive in a playoff game or superbowl.
YakNips 10.14.16	24
DominionMM1 10.14.16	"The difference between brady and other qbs is that he is so clutch. I mean belichick would have success with someone else at the position, but andy dalton isn't give you a game winning drive in a playoff game or super bowl." yeah but it's belichik that puts Brady in that position. I mean you don't know if dalton would be able to deliver like that or not because he hasn't been in that position very often.
AlexKzillion 10.14.16	Yeah cause Dalton isn't good enough to put himself into that position.
Futures 10.15.16	rodgers is just as clutch (alex get your anti rodgers shit outta here)
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Rodgers is clutch Not as clutch as Brady though The rest of Rodger's team however is not clutch, specifically the defense. The packer's last four playoff losses- Kaepernick runs all over them x2, defense collapses against the seahawks, defense collapses against the cardinals, and Rodgers had the latter two in the bag.
DominionMM1 10.15.16	"Yeah cause Dalton isn't good enough to put himself into that position." yep it's dalton's level of play that makes jeremy hill fumble and bengals defenders take retarded penalties
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	That's like one of the six(?) playoff games that the Bengals have lost with him, plus he didnt even play in that game.
TheSpaceMan 10.15.16	"The rest of Rodger's team however is not clutch, specifically the defense" They've had a fantastic rush defense this season though, AP really struggled against it. but I agree they tend to run thin by the end of the game and give up big plays
Maniac! 10.15.16	"yep it's dalton's level of play that makes jeremy hill fumble and bengals defenders take retarded penalties" And Dalton wasn't playing that game
grannypantys 10.15.16	The GB defense didn't lose the game against Seattle. They were getting turnovers at record pace and Rogers couldn't capitalize.
Futures 10.15.16	well i'm not talking about his team. him specifically. he is as clutch as brady. one playoff game i'm taking rodgers
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Rodgers is clutch but not as clutch as Brady. There are very very few QBs that are comparable to Brady in that department, none of which are playing today.
Futures 10.15.16	rodgers is def comparable you just hate him
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Rodgers hasn't led two game winning drives in the Super Bowl. Rodgers hasn't made the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. Rodgers doesn't have easily the most playoff game winning drives in NFL history.
DominionMM1 10.15.16	"plus he didnt even play in that game" oh that's right. my bad. point still stands though. brady's team (and sometimes his opponents) have put him in a position to have those kinds of moments. who's to say a different quarterback couldn't drive his team 53 yards in 1:14 for a game-winning FG attempt. Or 37 yards in 59 seconds for a game-winning FG attempt?
DominionMM1 10.15.16	"Rodgers hasn't led two game winning drives in the Super Bowl." vinatieri deserves as much credit as brady for those "Rodgers hasn't made the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history." there are quite a few quarterbacks who have come back from 10 points down. drew brees and doug williams have done it, too.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Yeah but they weren't down 10 points in the middle of the 4th quarter either. And Brees was never down by 10 in that game against the Colts, EDIT: Nvm but that was also the first quarter, just like Doug Williams
Futures 10.15.16	rodgers drive against zona last year. definition of clutch
DominionMM1 10.15.16	so it was brady's "clutchness" that caused malcolm butler to make that interception? and let's keep in mind that if it weren't for belichick daring seattle to call timeout, seattle probably wins that game.
DominionMM1 10.15.16	"And Brees was never down by 10 in that game against the Colts" he was actually. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201002070clt.htm
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Malcolm Butler, Bill Belicheck, and Adam Vinateri also didn't shred the LoB, arguably the best secondary ever assembled that year.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"rodgers drive against zona last year. definition of clutch" Two completed hail marys in one drive = luck, not clutch. Most guys don't complete even one of those there whole career, let alone 3 in one season
DominionMM1 10.15.16	sure. and it was tom brady blocking pass rushers for tom brady and tom brady catching passes from tom brady.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Yeah it's a team game dude, but they don't win those games without Tom Brady
DominionMM1 10.15.16	yep and they don't happen without belichick.
Futures 10.15.16	yeah it speaks to his greatness not his luck as you said agreed
DominionMM1 10.15.16	i'm just not a fan of quantifying "clutch". like, is eli the most clutch qb ever because he beat the most clutch qb ever TWICE?
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Not arguing against that, just saying that saying it was all because of Belicheck and he could have done that with just anybody is retarded.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"i'm just not a fan of quantifying "clutch". like, is eli the most clutch qb ever because he beat the most clutch qb ever TWICE?" No because Eli has done literally nothing else in his career except that playoffs wise.
Futures 10.15.16	your arguments are weak af dude. doesn't matter he won 2. count em
DominionMM1 10.15.16	well obviously brady is one of the best to ever play the position. where he falls in the pantheon of great qbs is debatable though.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Yeah and Eli is like one of my top 3 favorite players in the league, and I'm in no way a Patriots fan either. Just being real dude
DominionMM1 10.15.16	"No because Eli has done literally nothing else in his career except that playoffs wise." yeah but his playoff win percentage is superior to brady's, and he's beaten him twice.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Tbh I hate the argument that Brady can't be considered the goat because he had Belicheck. Montana had Bill Walsh. Marino had Don Shula. If having a legendary coach knocks you out of the goat conversation then Peyton Manning and Elway are the goats no question, even though Peyton did have Tony Dungy for a like half a decade.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"yeah but his playoff win percentage is superior to brady's, and he's beaten him twice." Can't argue with the two wins but Eli has only played in like 1/3 of the amount of playoff games Brady has played in.
DominionMM1 10.15.16	if i were to build a team, without considering a coach, manning would be my first pick.
GmemberKills 10.15.16	"so it was brady who inspired malcolm butler to make that interception? and let's keep in mind that if it weren't for belichick daring seattle to call timeout, seattle probably wins that game." no but it was brady who drove the pats down the field to make the game 28-24 with just 2 minutes left. even the superbowl they lost in 07 brady drove them down near the end of the game to take the lead. Bill is one of the best coaches ever, but brady has contributed a lot to his success.
Bromero 10.15.16	I'll say my Minnesota Vikings. Defense has been unstoppable, and Bradford is playing extremely well. As long as our offensive line doesn't kill Bradford (BIG if), this team is ready to make a deep run
RogueNine 10.15.16	Marino needs to be talked about more tbh.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"if i were to build a team, without considering a coach, manning would be my first pick." Agreed
DominionMM1 10.15.16	"Bill is one of the best coaches ever, but brady has contributed a lot to his success." and vice versa. it's really impossible to say how much each brings to the table. "I'll say my Minnesota Vikings." you really trust bradford?
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Marino was just way ahead of his time, and sadly never won a Super Bowl. Would love to see someone somehow adjust his 1984 stats to today's game (sort of like how people adjust for inflation) to see how he matches up to Manning 2013 and Brady 2007.
TheSpaceMan 10.15.16	"Two completed hail marys in one drive = luck, not clutch." dude look at the second throw... tell me how that is luck.
TheSpaceMan 10.15.16	if brady did that suddenly there'd be skill involved
DominionMM1 10.15.16	"Marino was just way ahead of his time, and sadly never won a Super Bowl. Would love to see someone somehow adjust his 1984 stats to today's game (sort of like how people adjust for inflation) to see how he matches up to Manning 2013 and Brady 2007." https://www.profootballfocus.com/era-adjusted-passing-leaders/ It's just speaking fantasy-wise but you can look at the numbers and see
teamster 10.15.16	Clutch is such a stupid term in football. No one ever counts the stat for quarterbacks that give his team the lead in the 4th quarter only to have the defense give it up at the end. Rodgers would lead that stat over the last decade.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	A hail mary is never skill in the NFL, no matter who throws it. They were all obviously great throws, but even so, the odds are still very slim that it actually connects with any of the qb's receivers.
DominionMM1 10.15.16	kurt Warner is another guy who never got his due. if it weren't for a couple of plays, he'd be held in the same regard as the all time greats. his dismal time in New York doesn't help either though.
NordicMindset 10.15.16	I've always loved Vikings, ever since the Culpepper and Tarvaris Jackson eras when they had Chester Taylor as their RB. Was so disappointed in the NO game, really thought they could pull thru that year. This year, if the G-Men keep faltering I will root them.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"Rodgers would lead that stat over the last decade." I think Romo holds this record if were talking regular season too iirc. Good chance I'm wrong though. I never watched the greatest show on turf, but the Warner-Fitzgerald combination was fucking lethal. Their 2008 playoff run was absolutely insane.
TheSpaceMan 10.15.16	"A hail mary is never skill in the NFL, no matter who throws it" true it has nothing to do with arc, accuracy, power and ability to stall the play on on the QB's end and definitely nothing to do with the route and observation skills of the receivers
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Brett Farve-Sidney Rice combo is pretty underrated too imo
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"true it has nothing to do with arc, accuracy, power and ability to stall the play on on the QB's end and definitely nothing to do with the route and observation skills of the receivers" And it has everything to do with the defense having their head on straight that's right. Most hail marys are just the QB throwing it up just to give his team a slim chance to come down with it. 8 defenders vs 5 receivers all bunched up in one relative spot in the endzone and a receiver coming down with it is slim af. All the QB has to do is throw the ball so that it's inside the endzone and not out of bounds. It's easy to stall with only three guys rushing the QB. Most of the time the route means literally nothing since they are usually all bunched up in the endzone by the time the ball gets there. If Hail Marys actually took skill, then their wouldn't be a less then 5% chance that they would actually work, and we would see a completed one almost once a week, because you know, it is the NFL.
teamster 10.15.16	You all know the defense being played at the end of games and/or last drives is not the same as earlier in games. Prevent prevents the team from winning and the defensive players are gased at the end of games. They are human , they do get tired. That's why depth is so important.
Futures 10.15.16	you are full of shit
Sevengill 10.15.16	Cubs are gonna win the super bowl
teamster 10.15.16	Intelligent response ...get your head fucked futures
TheSpaceMan 10.15.16	dont think that was aimed at you teamster
Futures 10.15.16	lol yeah damn
teamster 10.15.16	Lol sorry futures ..but still..get your head fucked.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"you are full of shit" Not really
Futures 10.15.16	yeah really
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"You all know the defense being played at the end of games and/or last drives is not the same as earlier in games. Prevent prevents the team from winning and the defensive players are gased at the end of games. They are human , they do get tired. That's why depth is so important." And prevent defense's main purpose is to stop hail marys, which 49 times out of 50 it does because it's unbeatable from a schematic stand point.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.15.16	Don't you love Kylie Jenner?
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	I wish
Futures 10.15.16	a sign of a child :^)
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	1.0 awful BABYMETAL BABYMETAL BABYMETAL Metal Resistance a sign of an old guy 👴🏻
BlazinBlitzer 10.15.16	I said Pats vs. Cards with Pats winning at the start of the year. I'm still sticking with that.
Futures 10.15.16	a sign of a smart man
Frippertronics 10.15.16	r a i d e r s in all seriousness, it'll come down to New England, Pittsburgh, Minnesota and Oakland
TheSpaceMan 10.15.16	so Minnesota are uncontested in the NFC?
Frippertronics 10.15.16	NFC: Minnesota, Philadelphia, Green Bay and Atlanta. Dallas, New York, and Arizona not too far behind.
TheSpaceMan 10.15.16	seahawks and cardinals are bout tied in my eyes, either one could explode into a threat. thats a tough conference and they know they gotta work for it
Frippertronics 10.15.16	idk even if the hawks make it, they aren't what they used to be
TheSpaceMan 10.15.16	that hype was short lived then
Bromero 10.15.16	@DominionMM1 Sam Bradford stats through 4 starts: 70.4% Completion, 6 TDs, 0 INT, and a 109.7 QB rating Yes, I trust Bradford. This is easily the best team he's ever played for. He was thrown into an entirely new offensive system just 8 days before Week 1, and has done a great job
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"idk even if the hawks make it, they aren't what they used to be" They are also unquestionably a top 3 team in the NFC as of right now along with the Vikings and the Falcons. I'd say this is the best the Seahawks have been since 2013. Doesn't feel like the last couple years where they completely stumbled out of the gate and had to dig themselves out of a hole.
Maniac! 10.15.16	tell that to their O-Line. They might be forgetting that they are supposed to be a good football team.
Maniac! 10.15.16	Since the Panthers would have to go undefeated the rest of the season to get anything out of it at this point, I guess I'm stuck just enjoying other underdogs getting their shot for now. I'm pretty happy for Vikes fans. I hope they go far this season. Hell. I'm not even that mad about the Falcons. Maybe they'll win a playoff game for once.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	They looked a lot better after they got Ifedi back for the Jets game. Their offensive line has never been particularly good though when it comes to pass protecting Wilson.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	I think in 2004 the Panthers started 1-7 after losing super bowl XXXVIII
Maniac! 10.15.16	it was bad, yeah.
Hawks 10.15.16	I find it hard to believe anyone will beat the Vikings in the NFC, that defense is going to be historically great by the time their season is over. The only team that may have a chance against them is the Seahawks. In the AFC it's the Steelers and the Patriots then everybody else way below them. And again the only team I think that might have a shot at either of them is the Raiders. I'm not a huge believer in the Broncos this year at all.
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	"that defense is going to be historically great by the time their season is over." Disagree hard, at least for this year. The offense's inability to run the ball right now is going keep them on the field way longer then they should be.
Futures 10.15.16	exactly what i've been saying. they will be exposed soon. either that or bradford goes down injured like he always does
AlexKzillion 10.15.16	Their offense is 30th in ypg and 32th in rush ypg, I don't see them doing anything in the playoffs unless they get both of those up to at least the lower 20s. Unlike the AFC, almost all the above average NFC teams have an above average defense.
teamster 10.16.16	Correct Alex - Minnesota's offense will be the defense's demise.
alienobserver 10.16.16	9.
Futures 10.16.16	are you living in an alternate reality?
Sevengill 10.16.16	I'm gonna win the super bowl
TheSpaceMan 10.16.16	impossible ur a girl
dbizzles 10.16.16	7, duh.
TheSpaceMan 10.16.16	a close friend of mine has been a die hard raiders fan his whole life, I'm loving the love they're getting
dbizzles 10.16.16	I'm exaggerating, but very happy we aren't getting owned. Our D is looking better each weak and the offense is moving the ball consistently. Tomorrow is a big test imo.
TheSpaceMan 10.16.16	I hugely favor oakland tomorrow tbh
dbizzles 10.16.16	I'm just nervous that KC had a bye week and all the tape on us to exploit our D. Luckily they don't have a lot going on in their receiving corps. We'll see. Divisional games always get me anxious.
teamster 10.16.16	Pssst,,,,the Chiefs have no pass rush. Carr is gonna have a big day.
AlexKzillion 10.16.16	Yeah I'm feeling a Raiders win today as well
teamster 10.16.16	Carolina is done - what a difference a year and a corner makes
Maniac! 10.16.16	One above average corner does not make this much of a difference. We have other problems.
BrandNewEyes 10.16.16	32 bc clearly believeland is real
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.16.16	Tell me y'all didn't just see Brady come back home and shit on everyone. Fuck everyone else Pats don't give a fuck.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.16.16	6 TD, 0 INT, 800 yards in two games. Say something.
Maniac! 10.16.16	Something.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.16.16	Triple post cause Gronk had a career high in yards and was playing with the flu. G.O.A.T.
Maniac! 10.16.16	You're the reason people hate the Patriots.
BrandNewEyes 10.16.16	idk i'm a ravens fans but the pats are cool
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.16.16	Bring on the hate. Shout it.
AlexKzillion 10.16.16	You're the reason people hate the Patriots. [2]
grannypantys 10.16.16	after today i think the answer is clear the 49ers are going to the superbowl as invited guests
TheSpaceMan 10.16.16	The reason [3]
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.16.16	Hoobastank.
dbizzles 10.16.16	Fucking Oakland looked awful.
TheSpaceMan 10.16.16	What a flukey Sunday
Futures 10.16.16	jags barely beat a god awful bears team. not sure if i'm happy or pissed
AlexKzillion 10.16.16	Somehow I knew the Steelers would fucking blow it today, now watch them look like world beaters against New England next week lol
Titan 10.17.16	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHa4hUTWydw
GmemberKills 10.17.16	as good as the patriots looked their o-line is so shaky
TheSpaceMan 10.17.16	'Somehow I knew the Steelers would fucking blow it today, now watch them look like world beaters against New England next week lol' I hope so
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 10.17.16	Gonna get mopped.
dbizzles 10.17.16	How much time did Ben miss though? He wasn't at 100% when he came back, I'm sure.
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	He missed most of the second quarter, which was like one drive because the defense couldn't get off the field of the world depended on it.
GmemberKills 10.17.16	can't believe all the people giving aaron rodgers hell. I'm not even a big fan but his receivers are straight garbage right now. nobody gets open and jordy nelson looks like a shell of his former self.
claygurnz 10.17.16	HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS
guitarded_chuck 10.17.16	was feeling atlanta but they couldnt close out the hawks yesterday so ive changed my mind
Spacesh1p 10.17.16	Gonna be the Falcons, they won't let me down like every other Atlanta sports team since the Braves in '95. No, not this time. Edit: meant '95.
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	Yep Ben tore his miniscus, chance he could be out for the rest of the season. RIP Steelers
pjquinones747 10.17.16	New votes have been counted. Happy Monday boys and girls.
pjquinones747 10.17.16	I'll be thinking about what my new vote is going to be since Ben is gonna miss time. Almost as frail as Romo.
emester 10.17.16	Oakland Athletics
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	Difference between Ben and Romo is that Ben will actually play injured.
guitarded_chuck 10.17.16	also that he plays football well
pjquinones747 10.17.16	I agree. Love watching him play.
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	"can't believe all the people giving aaron rodgers hell. I'm not even a big fan but his receivers are straight garbage right now." And everytime they get open Rodgers overthrows them.
Faenrir 10.17.16	49ers !! Ok i'm kidding lol. Based on the first 6 weeks, the cowboys will win it. They have good depth, Zeke Elliott is running well, they've been winning with a rookie backup QB and Romo is coming back. If Bryant and Romo stay healthy, they have a good chance, imo. The vikes are good but their run game is below average. Steelers are overrated.
onionbubs 10.17.16	I am obv
pjquinones747 10.17.16	I'm gonna go with New England.
teamster 10.17.16	Cowboys looked impressive. If the defense can create turnovers like that they will tough to beat.
Futures 10.17.16	think they keep rolling with dak? hard not to. romo will be interesting to see where he is traded next year
Titan 10.17.16	'Difference between Ben and Romo is that Ben will actually play injured.' are you fucking kidding me lol? Tony Romo has the guts and heart to play through injuries as good as anybody in the sport.
TheSpaceMan 10.17.16	'And everytime they get open Rodgers overthrows them.' becuz jordy doesnt have the speed he used to before last season's injury so he doesnt get out there like he needs to and adams is just clueless of where the ball is most of the time. cobb just sorta of makes a play then doesnt idk what his deal is. but it also does have some to do with rogers, half of his interceptions so far are 100% his fault and he's not spotting guys open like he used to
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	"Tony Romo has the guts and heart to play through injuries as good as anybody in the sport." Not a cowboys fan so I can't think of one time Romo played through any kind of serious injury, where as Ben has done it several times between this season and last season alone.
Curse. 10.17.16	Romo can try to play through injuries but he is just so fucking fragile at this point
Futures 10.17.16	romo trade to the jets? that would be interesting
Maniac! 10.17.16	That would be fun
theacademy 10.17.16	lady gaga will win or the lions maybe
DominionMM1 10.17.16	"Not a cowboys fan so I can't think of one time Romo played through any kind of serious injury, where as Ben has done it several times between this season and last season alone." http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/109065/a-look-at-tony-romo-playing-through-pain
Futures 10.17.16	yeah romo is a badass
DominionMM1 10.17.16	btw cam's presser yesterday...fucking priceless
Titan 10.17.16	Who doesn't remember Romo playing with broken ribs and a punctured lung? The guy wore a protective plate under his uniform for christs sake. It's the EXACT same injury that sidelined Michael Vick for more than half of a season.
Futures 10.17.16	alex is like 15 i'll give him a pass lol
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	"http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/109065/a-look-at-tony-romo-playing-through-pain" This doesn't exactly disprove my point. I'll give him props for the punctured lung I did forget about that but there is like nothing else.
MyNameIsPencil 10.17.16	the Lions really like giving their fans heart attacks
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/pittsburgh-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-played-through-the-pain-011216
Futures 10.17.16	it's almost like ben and romo play through pain lol
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	"Tony Romo has the guts and heart to play through injuries as good as anybody in the sport."
Futures 10.17.16	true
MyNameIsPencil 10.17.16	too bad he doesn't have any consistency zzzzzzzziiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg
AlexKzillion 10.17.16	David Johnson needs to come in extra extra clutch tonight
pjquinones747 10.18.16	And that he did. I don't think the Cardinals have ever had a running back this good. Emmitt Smith doesn't count because he wasn't playing there in his prime.
AlexKzillion 10.18.16	Was down by 30 and he got me 32, gonna need to order his jersey for being the only reliable player on my team.
DominionMM1 10.18.16	coulda had him but grabbed gurley instead fuck
AlexKzillion 10.18.16	Gurley carried me to championships last year, what happened to him?
DominionMM1 10.18.16	teams are just keying on him because keenum and the o-line suck. dude gets a ton of touches but half the time defenders are in the backfield just as he gets the handoff.
pjquinones747 10.18.16	Yeah Gurley is a monster but his oline isn't helping him enough.
dbizzles 11.21.16	Midway through the season, where is everyone's prediction now? Who the fuck would have thought Dallas would win 9 in row and that GB would just suck?
Sowing 11.21.16	New England will win yet again and I'm going to hate it.
dbizzles 11.21.16	You're probably right. Ugh.
guitarded_chuck 11.21.16	could be denver again
dbizzles 11.21.16	I don't think Denver has what it takes on offense and their D is not as good as it was last year, so I don't see them getting too far. But, you never know who is going to get hot at the end of the year.
pjquinones747 11.21.16	I don't think Denver can do it. It's looking like Dallas, Seattle, Oakland, or New England.
Maniac! 11.21.16	carolina runs the table, goes 10-6, slay everyone up to the superbowl for a revenge victory
Maniac! 11.21.16	and then I woke up
dbizzles 11.21.16	lol
dbizzles 11.21.16	I'm hoping Oakland can make some noise, but our defense is still pretty suspect and we've been squeaking out wins all year, we could easily be 4-5 right now. Finding a way to win every week is hard. The only dominant performance we've had all year was over Denver.
Titan 11.21.16	'It's looking like Dallas, Seattle, Oakland, or New England.' Seattle at Dallas for the NFC championship Denver at New England for the AFC but shit, things can change overnight in this humbling league
Sowing 11.21.16	"carolina runs the table, goes 10-6, slay everyone up to the superbowl for a revenge victory" I'd cry tears of joy
elliootsmeuth 11.21.16	"carolina runs the table, goes 10-6, slay everyone up to the superbowl for a revenge victory" Last time I checked, God isn't real.
dbizzles 11.21.16	I'm still not even sure what the hell happened to Carolina.
Maniac! 11.21.16	"I'd cry tears of joy" Me too. "Last time I checked, God isn't real." The last superbowl proved god is dead. "I'm still not even sure what the hell happened to Carolina." Injuries, no secondary, and missed kicks.
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Carolina needs to spend more money on their secondary. Won't be able to run the table with Oakland coming up. In slightly relevant news, I put the fork in my own Cardinals this weekend. BA needs to find a way to motivate his players and, hate to say it, find Palmer's heir. He's been okay but okay isn't good enough when we need to win games through the air.
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Also Denver isn't making the AFC Championship. Offense is too suspect. Not beating Oakland's beatable defense proved that.
Titan 11.21.16	Would you take Romo for a year or so?
dbizzles 11.21.16	Romo's situation is interesting. Surely someone is drooling over the prospect of signing him this off-season. I wonder where he will go.
Titan 11.21.16	As a diehard Cowboys fan and avid Romo supporter over the last 10 years, I'm upset that he has been dethroned as our guy because I do believe he can get it done. Can't take Dak out obviously nor do I want to, but it's still a bittersweet feeling inside. I want Romo to get a ring in the worst way and would love to see him go to Denver or Arizona for a year or two. I like his chances of winning a chip with either team.
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Hell no. He's more frail than Palmer. He's a great QB but we need our successor, not another guy who is gonna need succeeding in another year or two. Plus if we get a rookie we can pay our guys who have been carrying the defense.
GmemberKills 11.21.16	really hope romo goes to a good team... it's so fucking shit seeing drew brees and phillip rivers just waste away season after season on bad teams..
Titan 11.21.16	@pj i know obviously paxton lynch is waiting and may turn out good for you guys.....denver has a win now team and paxton lynch has many unknowns and may not be ready to go to the promised land with this current Denver team in time....with free agency and the NFL being a young mans game, taking a chance on Romo might be in their best interest.....teams change quickly and before you know it, you're no longer a threat.....personally, i'd go for another ring in the next year or two.....Romo's health is a huge question of course and would be a gamble....For Arizona, Palmer is done....
Titan 11.21.16	he is also an asset to have on the sideline and knows the game really well.....shoe in for an OC job when his playing days are indeed finished
pjquinones747 11.21.16	At least Brees got his ring and Rivers and Romo are well respected in NFL rings. I heard Lynch is supposed to be good. BA is just picky about his QBs so he'd have to be able to throw a good deep ball.
pjquinones747 11.21.16	I'm actually scared BA will chase a guy like Jay Cutler because of his penchant for big armed dumbasses
Titan 11.21.16	ehhh, i was thinking you were a denver fan
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Nah I was glad they beat the Panthers in the Super Bowl after humiliating my team in the championship game though. Us and the Panthers are both having a glorious hangover.
dbizzles 11.21.16	I'm a huge Palmer fanboy. I wish he was killing it this year. AZ is the team I'm most disappointed in this year. I always root for them and was hoping they'd be a powerhouse again.
GmemberKills 11.21.16	the cardinals looked so ballin in 2014 before palmer's knee exploded i feel like that season was their best chance to win it all
pjquinones747 11.21.16	I think he's just starting to get old unfortunately. Having a shit o-line and mostly slacking receivers doesn't fucking help at all but he's forcing them to make crazy catches because his touch ball is virtually non-existent at this point.
dbizzles 11.21.16	I thought Brown was a promising receiver too and he dropped off quick.
DominionMM1 11.21.16	"The last superbowl proved god is dead." no it just proved God loves watching cam sulk as much everyone else does "Injuries, no secondary, and missed kicks." don't forget their awful running game
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Panthers run game is average at worst idk what you're talking about O line sucks on all fronts though so there's that I guess. Stewart is a big part of their offense.
AlexKzillion 11.21.16	Romo will be the Broncos QB next year and he will win the Super Bowl. The Broncos can only win Super Bowls when they have a deteriorating QB and Tony Romo fits the bill perfectly.
AlexKzillion 11.21.16	As for this year, I see no scenario where an NFC team other then the Seahawks or Cowboys gets to the Super Bowl. Bill Belichek is actually giving other AFC teams a chance now now that he feels the need to trade away all his best defensive players. I'm still betting on my Steelers to get it together and run the table though but who even knows with them anymore, they haven't been meeting expectations at all this year.
DominionMM1 11.21.16	"Panthers run game is average at worst idk what you're talking about" they're 24th out of 32 in yards per attempt. do you even know what average means?
dbizzles 11.21.16	I don't know if that's wholly indicative of their rushing game. They are 15th in rushing yards per game, which is average. Idk.
teamster 11.21.16	Cowboys vs Pats Superbowl. I think Dallas wins.
DominionMM1 11.21.16	"I don't know if that's wholly indicative of their rushing game. They are 15th in rushing yards per game, which is average. Idk." they're 7th in rushing attempts and they're 15th in yards. what about those numbers says average running game when you combine them?
dbizzles 11.21.16	It says it takes them more attempts but they still average more yards in rushing than half the league. So, could their rushing game be more efficient? Certainly. Do they average more yards than half the league? Yeah.
Titan 11.21.16	'Cowboys vs Pats Superbowl. I think Dallas wins.' I love you bro
DominionMM1 11.21.16	but efficiency is good and inefficiency is bad. the panthers run game is inefficient therefore it's bad. not tough to figure out.
dbizzles 11.21.16	Okay, say Drew Brees goes 22/40 with 400 yards and 3 TDs. Who gives a fuck how many incomplete passes he threw when the end result is the same? No one is ranking rushing by yds/attempt. If you look up rushing stats in the NFL, the top rushing team is the team with the most rushing yards not the team that has the highest yds/attempt because that would be stupid. Say a team hardly runs, but they break off big runs when they do- they're yds/attempt would be inflated, which is why it would be stupid to rank based on that.
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Well said
Titan 11.21.16	agreed with dbizzles.....plus they are tied for 4th in rushing td's and top 10 in rushing first downs.....considering them an average rushing team in more than fair
DominionMM1 11.21.16	"Okay, say Drew Brees goes 22/40 with 400 yards and 3 TDs. Who gives a fuck how many incomplete passes he threw when the end result is the same?" not really a good comparison because that would mean he still averaged 10 yards per attempt, which is well above the league average. now if he went 22/40 for 280, would that be good, or even average? No, because 7.0 ypa is well below average.
AlexKzillion 11.21.16	All I know is 27/36 for 300+ yards and 3 touchdowns from Dak Prescott is pretty impressive, especially against the team that was supposed to finally shut him down.
DominionMM1 11.21.16	yeah man he's playing well. certainly didn't see dallas being where they are back in September.
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Surprising how well he's been doing. I will say though, they wouldn't be shit without that o-line.
AlexKzillion 11.21.16	For some reason the Cowboys are cursed in December so I hope their play takes a nose dive long enough for the Seahawks to snag home field. Then again Dak is unable to stop himself from defying the odds so they'll probably end up 15-1 lol "Surprising how well he's been doing. I will say though, they wouldn't be shit without that o-line." Same o-line as last year and they went like 4-12. They are the best o-line the Nfl has seen in a long time but I feel as if they are getting a little too much credit for the team's success.
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Nah man fuck the Seahawks.
DominionMM1 11.21.16	"Same o-line as last year and they went like 4-12. They are the best o-line the Nfl has seen in a long time but I feel as if they are getting a little too much credit for the team's success." don't forget Dallas' vastly improved defense, especially against the run. but let's not kid ourselves here; their o-line is the biggest reason they're 9-1 right now.
ShadowRemains 11.21.16	"Nah man fuck the Seahawks." three words: baldwin to wilson
DominionMM1 11.21.16	got Baldwin on my fantasy team so that was awesome
AlexKzillion 11.21.16	The Seahawks offense has finally returned to form.
DominionMM1 11.21.16	should've started Jimmy g yesterday
pjquinones747 11.21.16	Yeah man I'll say it again. Fuck the Seahawks. - bitter Cardinals fan
ShadowRemains 11.21.16	we're missing thomas now so the secondary (LOB) will take a bit of a hit defence has been mostly outstanding all season though
AlexKzillion 11.21.16	Think Bennett said he's gonna play on Sunday at least.
Titan 11.21.16	'don't forget Dallas' vastly improved defense, especially against the run.' biggest deception about this team right now, far from vastly improved....still not getting enough pressure on the qb and are among the bottom of the barrel when it comes to interceptions (only indy and jax have less)....it's a bit easier when your leading by 2 touchdowns in most games and the opposition is forced to throw....and they give up 4.2 yards per carry which doesn't exactly support your earlier argument
DominionMM1 11.21.16	right after I typed that I actually looked at the numbers and you're right. Dallas is allowing 4.2 yards per rushing attempt just like last year. Opponents just aren't running the ball as much as they were last year. Their defense has improved in the turnover department though. They only had 11 takeaways all last year, and this year they have 10 through 10 games. Biggest difference for Dallas that I can see after looking at the numbers is simply turnover differential.
Titan 11.21.16	They are indeed forcing more fumbles than usual and have benefitted on a few turnover on downs. They are dominating the TOP battle as well which keeps them fresher. Basically, the offense and coaching staff are setting this defense up for success. Jason Garrett has also been managing the clock masterfully for once.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	...and Jerry Jones is just letting a Cowboys head coach do his thing for once.
Titan 11.22.16	Stephen Jones has been in charge for 2 years now
DominionMM1 11.22.16	just wait until Garrett starts taking some actual credit for the Cowboys' success. That usually doesn't sit well with Jerry.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Now only if Dan Snyder could loosen his grip on the Redskins staff...
PayneTiger777 11.22.16	If it's Cowboys vs Patriots in the Superbowl then it will be the first time I won't watch it. Fuck both teams.
dbizzles 11.22.16	Completely unrelated here, but I'm hoping Seabass can use this high elevation tonight to break the FG distance record.
dbizzles 11.22.16	I know I'm reaching, but it's a weird opportunity.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Doesn't he hold the current record too?
dbizzles 11.22.16	Nah, he tied it (or set it?) in 2011 or 2012 I think (4 people have done it, I know Elam is one of them), but Prater broke it at 64 yards a few years back.
Titan 11.22.16	Jaylon Smith activated, getting healthier......would've been a top 5 pick if it wasn't for the injury.....the 2016 draft for dallas is looking damn good right now
RogueNine 11.22.16	I think we get an unexpected AFC team in.
dbizzles 11.22.16	So, anyone from the AFC South?
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Titans yo
Maniac! 11.22.16	panthers run game is worse than last year that happens when cam runs less, jstew gets injured, and the o-line sucks/is injured. Oher still hasn't come back after several weeks. but it's definitely not normal. we had a hell of a running game last year. also these issues are linked to the issues I already raised. Shula is pretty much garbage most of the time for playcalling, though, so that doesn't help. He's just been masked by great execution by the players over the last couple years.
Futures 11.22.16	the titans suck cock
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Just learned that Andrew Luck probably won't be playing against the Steelers Thursday night because of a concussion.
Futures 11.22.16	#bringbackcurtispainter
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Oh god please no
Maniac! 11.22.16	it's getting difficult for andrew luck to be the second coming of christ when he has to be protected by the colts
dbizzles 11.22.16	Yeah, that poor guy has to carry that team on his back.
DominionMM1 11.22.16	"Nah, he tied it (or set it?) in 2011 or 2012 I think (4 people have done it, I know Elam is one of them), but Prater broke it at 64 yards a few years back." prater owns the record at 64, and Elam, Tom Dempsey, and the polish hammer have all hit from 63. Dempsey is the only one of the four not to do it in denver.
Futures 11.22.16	also dempsey had half a foot so he's the goat
DominionMM1 11.22.16	about the only positive from the Saints' first 30 years or so in the NFL
dbizzles 11.22.16	Lol Polish Canon!!! Dempsey was the only one to deserve the claim. Even if Seabass somehow breaks it tonight (not likely to even get a shot) in my mind it will still come with an asterisk just based on favorable conditions.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Danger Russ>>>Luck any day of the fucking millennium
Futures 11.22.16	stop using that cringey nickname
dbizzles 11.22.16	It's bad lol.
Futures 11.22.16	and if you put luck on the seahawks. holy shit. he would be top 5 easy.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Hey hold up I've only used it once. Plus Russell himself is kind of a cheesy guy anyways so it fits perfectly. "and if you put luck on the seahawks. holy shit. he would be top 5 easy." L to the O to the L put Wilson on the Colts and they run away with that division. Absolutely disgusts me how people STILL think Luck is a better player then Wilson, let alone finna glow up and reach his full potential in the first place.
DominionMM1 11.22.16	"Shula is pretty much garbage most of the time for playcalling, though, so that doesn't help. He's just been masked by great execution by the players over the last couple years." I don't know man. he's in a tough position because Carolina's offense is at its best when scam moves around and makes plays with his legs but they can't do that as much out of fear of him getting his ass kicked. Add to that the fact that carolina doesn't have the most sure handed receivers.
Futures 11.22.16	L to the O to the L put Wilson on the Colts and they run away with that division. absolute nonsense
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Alright Futures. Colts offense, ball at your own 20, down by a touchdown, 2:00 to go in the 4th, 0 timeouts. Who would you rather have at QB, Russ or Luck?
Futures 11.22.16	luck
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Lol The Seahawks would have a losing record right now if Luck was their QB
Futures 11.22.16	LMAO
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	LMAno Seriously what does Luck do that makes you think he's better then Russ?
Titan 11.22.16	absolute nonsense [2] Wilson is fortunate enough to be a part of a machine, great player, don't get me wrong.....must be nice to have a defense that holds em almost every time.....i'd take Luck in that situation every day of the week
Futures 11.22.16	he is physically carrying his god awful team on his back. if the colts didn't have luck they would have 2 wins maybe
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	And Russell wouldn't be if he was on the Colts?????
Futures 11.22.16	what do hypotheticals have to do with facts?
Titan 11.22.16	i don't see Wilson prevailing with a shitty defense, subpar running game, and lousy coaching staff like the colts have had
DominionMM1 11.22.16	even in retrospect, I'd still take luck over wilson if I had to choose one to build my franchise around
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Okay lets go facts then Wilson career completion percentage: 64.9% Luck career completion percentage: 58.8% Wilson career avg yards per throw: 8.1 Luck career avg yards per throw: 7.1 Wilson career ints: 36 Luck career ints: 63 (and Luck has missed a bunch of games) Wilson career passer rating: 101.4 (2nd best all time) Luck career passer rating: 86.3 And Luck has had a much better offense for most of his career, with WAY better receivers up until last year.
Futures 11.22.16	i think we already told you that lucks team is horrendous and wilson has been lucky to have a great team around him.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"i don't see Wilson prevailing with a shitty defense, subpar running game, and lousy coaching staff like the colts have had" You say this as if Luck is prevailing with all of that
Futures 11.22.16	take away luck and it's a top 5 worst team in the league. he has them right in the playoff hunt.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"i think we already told you that lucks team is horrendous and wilson has been lucky to have a great team around him." The Colts were horrendous 2012-2014? They made the playoffs every one of those years, and even got to the AFCC in 2014
Futures 11.22.16	they certainly weren't the seahawks current team.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	And they were certainly in a much easier division and conference then the Seahawks were/are
Titan 11.22.16	as futures said, luck is the reason why indy has had any success, even if it was minor success......wilson had everything under the tree that he needed but hey, he got it done and was able to finish.....comparing their career accolades is useless
dbizzles 11.22.16	Oakland looks horrible tonight.
Titan 11.22.16	'And they were certainly in a much easier division and conference then the Seahawks were/are' you do realize that the afc has won more super bowls than the nfc since andrew luck has been in the league, right?
dbizzles 11.22.16	Come on, Titan. The AFC South vs NFC West over the last 5 years isn't even a contest.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Well to be fair, Luck is playing for the absolute worst organization a QB can play for. In fact I think they are pretty equal with Cleveland in that department. The Colts have been a fucking hell hole for fucking eternity. John Elway's decision to skip out on the Colts is probably the best decision he made of his career, and Peyton pulled off the impossible and managed to cover all that up for around a decade. I'd say they are worse then Cleveland/Jacksonville because the Colts aren't a fucking expansion team. Honestly can't see Luck glowing up unless he some how gets out of Indianapolis.
dbizzles 11.22.16	Wait.
Titan 11.22.16	agreed on the division dbizz
dbizzles 11.22.16	Yeah. I reread your comment and realized I was lost in the conversation.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"you do realize that the afc has won more super bowls than the nfc since andrew luck has been in the league, right?" You're kidding right? The NFC has been WAY more competitive then the AFC since Luck and Wilson entered the league. Luck never had to play the 2012/2013 49ers and the 2014/2015 Cardinals twice a year. He didn't have to deal with the 2012-2014 Packers. Or the 2015 Panthers. Or the 2013 Saints. Or the 2014 Cowboys (or this year's for that matter). The only two real contenders in the AFC since 2012 have been the Pats and the Broncos. Joe Flacco had one lucky run and didn't do shit before and hasn't done shit since. This year is probably the most competitive the AFC has been and the weakest the NFC has been since they've entered the league, and they are still inferior to the NFC as a whole.
Futures 11.22.16	why are you so fucking angry? is russell your new boyfriend?
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	http://www.espn.com/espn/photos/gallery/_/id/9582128/image/1/russell-wilson I'm not mad, but I've got a RAGING boner
dbizzles 11.22.16	AIDS is danger russ.
Futures 11.22.16	disturbing
dbizzles 11.22.16	Pls don't ban me. It was a statistically proven joke.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Too late already reported it in the meds thread
dbizzles 11.22.16	Yeah, probably. Show me mercy.
MyNameIsPencil 11.22.16	NFC West is going to be garbage by next season
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Not if Romo goes to the Cards
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	2007: Eli wins superbowl 42 2009: Peyton losses superbowl 44 2011: Eli wins superbowl 46 2013: Peyton losses superbowl 48 2015: Peyton wins superbowl 50 Coincidence? I think not Giants make it to superbowl 52 you heard it here first
Futures 11.22.16	praying for romo or jimmy g to the jags
dbizzles 11.22.16	Please no. I hate Eli. But not as much as I hate the Pats.
dbizzles 11.22.16	Fuck. I feel like a Denver fan getting all the calls tonight. But, Oakland keeps winning and I keep getting less confident in our abilities to be actual contenders. I almost wish we'd lost so we'd have to take a hard look at our shit play calling and crap man defense by our secondary.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"or jimmy g to the jags" Futures pretty piss poor lol. cam is on a downward spiral plus i have bortles and graham will cool off October 4 08:21 PM • Remove EXPOOOOSSSSSEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDD
Futures 11.22.16	what does that have to do with anything? lol yes i've officially given up on blake
Futures 11.22.16	people change their minds whoa really makes u think
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"and graham will cool off" The stuff about Blake and Cam and that trade is irrelevant, wasn't taking shots at you for believing in Blake lol, especially since I believed in him just as much as you did. Just copied and pasted the whole thing
dbizzles 11.22.16	Jimmy G to the Jags??? You guys don't even use your TE. Where was Thomas two years ago?
MyNameIsPencil 11.22.16	Kaepernick to jags confirmed
Futures 11.22.16	kaep to unemployed hopefully
MyNameIsPencil 11.22.16	still hoping for a Raiders v Falcons SB as not super likely as it is
MyNameIsPencil 11.22.16	cause we need the biggest game of the year to have 100+ points scored combined
Snake. 11.22.16
RogueNine 11.22.16	Raiders Falcons would be amazeballs.
TheSpaceMan 11.22.16	yeah thatd be swee
dbizzles 11.22.16	Lol first game was close, pencil.
oltnabrick 11.22.16	cleveland browns. vote for them cause the dont have votes. no one will vote for me either. supprot them
dbizzles 11.22.16	I hope every day that the Browns finish with a win.
oltnabrick 11.22.16	me too unmmber 1 fan fthank
Maniac! 11.22.16	"I don't know man. he's in a tough position because Carolina's offense is at its best when scam moves around and makes plays with his legs but they can't do that as much out of fear of him getting his ass kicked. Add to that the fact that carolina doesn't have the most sure handed receivers." we do fine when the offense plays fast and loose. watch what shula does as soon as we get a lead and enter the second half. it's the same thing every single game. run run deep throw, deep throw run run, run run run not fancy, complex running mind you. running up the gut with jstew no matter what. I also fault Cam for not just taking over the playcalling at the line and for holding the ball way too long, knowing he has a shit o-line. and our receivers are an issue at times, but they're better now than they have been in the past so I don't put it at the top of the problems list.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Cam is below average pre-snap
Titan 11.22.16	'You're kidding right? The NFC has been WAY more competitive then the AFC since Luck and Wilson entered the league. Luck never had to play the 2012/2013 49ers and the 2014/2015 Cardinals twice a year. He didn't have to deal with the 2012-2014 Packers. Or the 2015 Panthers. Or the 2013 Saints. Or the 2014 Cowboys (or this year's for that matter). The only two real contenders in the AFC since 2012 have been the Pats and the Broncos. Joe Flacco had one lucky run and didn't do shit before and hasn't done shit since. This year is probably the most competitive the AFC has been and the weakest the NFC has been since they've entered the league, and they are still inferior to the NFC as a whole.' Not kidding Alex, just stating a fact. Not one of those NFC teams won a chip in that time period. Stop naming teams that 'could've been', because i can do it too with AFC teams. Shame on you for not mentioning Pittsburgh or Cincinnati. By the way, i'm an NFC dude myself ftr and understand the point you're trying to make.....i just don't think you're supporting it enough.
Maniac! 11.22.16	"Cam is below average pre-snap" Likely. Would say he's average, but below average isn't much of a stretch either sometimes. I can't tell if he doesn't adjust because he can't or because they don't let him or because he just doesn't want that responsibility. He also has gotten worse at scrambling over the years and hasn't adjusted by getting rid of the ball.
Titan 11.22.16	the NFL needs to consider changing the playoff seeding format....yet again we will be watching barely mediocre team(s) hosting in round 1....winning your division should punch your ticket to the tournament for sure obviously, but it shouldn't guarantee you a home game
claygurnz 11.22.16	I would be in favour of changing the seeds so you rank them 1 to 6 regardless of whether they won their division or not.
Titan 11.22.16	agreed we've had 7 and 8 win teams host a game; we've also had 11 and 10 win teams miss completely but i guess there is no way around that
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"Not kidding Alex, just stating a fact. Not one of those NFC teams won a chip in that time period. Stop naming teams that 'could've been', because i can do it too with AFC teams. Shame on you for not mentioning Pittsburgh or Cincinnati. By the way, i'm an NFC dude myself ftr and understand the point you're trying to make.....i just don't think you're supporting it enough." I'd like to see you name all those AFC contenders from 2012-2015 other then the Broncos and Patriots. And no, the Bengals and Steelers were never true contenders during that time period, and this is coming from a Steeler fan. And you are really not doing much to justify your point at all.
BallsToTheWall 11.22.16	By 2016's logic the Lions will win the super bowl.
Titan 11.22.16	combined, the bengals, steelers, chiefs, ravens, and texans are all on the same level of the nfc teams you mentioned you say that luck never had to deal with those nfc teams each year and you're right for the most part (saints and cowboys, really???)....he only has to deal with brady/belichick and roethlisberger/tomlin every single year.....much easier agreed
DominionMM1 11.22.16	"the NFL needs to consider changing the playoff seeding format....yet again we will be watching barely mediocre team(s) hosting in round 1....winning your division should punch your ticket to the tournament for sure obviously, but it shouldn't guarantee you a home game" I've been arguing this for years
pjquinones747 11.22.16	Damn I missed a lot. If you put Luck on the Seahawks I'm thinking they would be better, but the Colts would still be very well off if they had Wilson instead. They're both excellent quarterbacks, but I think Luck has shown that he's more talented because of his ability to put the team on his back and somehow win games as the only good player on the roster. He would be SCARY on a team with a defense and/or a run game like Seattle.
NastyCrab 11.22.16	Human trafficking
Titan 11.22.16	'Joe Flacco had one lucky run and didn't do shit before and hasn't done shit since.' well let's see, he won a superbowl in which he won @denver and @new england along the way, and beat your 49er team that you are supporting above.....lost to brady twice, lost to roethlisberger twice, and what do you know, he lost to andrew luck as well....he also eliminated brady and roethlisberger on 2 of the other occassions and has 10 playoff wins hasn't done shit agreed.....not even a debate dude
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"combined, the bengals, steelers, chiefs, ravens, and texans are all on the same level of the nfc teams you mentioned" Okay first off Texans LOL. The Bengals and Chiefs are also huge pretenders. Other then 2012 the Ravens have been pretty middling. The Steelers SHOULD be contenders every year and their ceiling is as high as anyones, but year after year they don't meet expectations. And the 2013 Saints and 2014 Cowboys were def contenders what? I remember being kind of reluctant to play the Cowboys in that Championship as a Seahawks fan.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"well let's see, he won a superbowl in which he won @denver and @new england along the way, and beat your 49er team that you are supporting above.....lost to brady twice, lost to roethlisberger twice, and what do you know, he lost to andrew luck as well....he also eliminated brady and roethlisberger on 2 of the other occassions and has 10 playoff wins" Lots of false info in here fyi.
Titan 11.22.16	'The Bengals and Chiefs are also huge pretenders. ' but every team you named are pretenders since none of them won in that time period.....why is that ok for you when making a point but not for me lol 'Lots of false info in here fyi.' really?
pjquinones747 11.22.16	Chiefs have the explosive weapon they've been missing in Tyreek Hill. Idk how they managed to lose to Tampa Bay but I still think they're dangerous as long as they continue to have people contribute on offense. I haven't heard much from Kelce but I know the run game is always big for them.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"he lost to andrew luck" No he beat him Also thought I read "He beat Roethlisberger twice" first glance my bad I'll get back to you in an hour or two I'm really busy right now
Titan 11.22.16	you are correct on beating andrew luck...he lost to a peyton manning led indy team instead.....and all 3 of those playoff games were in pittsburgh for the record there is no denying Joe Flacco's playoff accolades
pjquinones747 11.22.16	I'm torn on Flacco. He's above average at best I think. Wouldn't have been the MVP in that Super Bowl if voters weren't fucking retarded.
Titan 11.22.16	i agree that he isn't 'elite' and is above average at best, but jesus he has stepped his game up in the playoffs on many occasions.....i see eli manning the same way
Futures 11.22.16	is flacco elite???? big if true
claygurnz 11.22.16	He's not consistently elite but if you had to pick one QB to lead your team into a tough road game in the playoffs it'd probably be him.
Titan 11.22.16	agreed, he's proved it many times, on the road in the playoffs.....incredible.....
Futures 11.22.16	who knows pftcommenter
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	"but every team you named are pretenders since none of them won in that time period.....why is that ok for you when making a point but not for me lol" So every team is a pretender if they don't win the Super Bowl? The Patriots and Panthers were pretenders last year because they didn't win? The difference between the teams I mentioned and the teams you mentioned is that most people took the teams I mentioned seriously. Hardly anyone takes the Texans seriously, or the Bengals to a much lesser extent.
Titan 11.22.16	originally your words, not mine 'The difference between the teams I mentioned and the teams you mentioned is that most people took the teams I mentioned seriously.' lol
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Alright regarding Joe Flacco: Dude is maybe the strangest QB to ever play the game. During the regular season he looks kind of off a lot of the time, offense always seems to be struggling (especially when he doesn't have a running game), stats aren't anything special, but he wins enough games to get the Ravens to the playoffs. Then in January he decides to all the sudden put up numbers only comparable to Joe Montana's, and he seems to be the only QB over the last 30 years that Bill Belichek hasn't figured out. Dude also has one of the best deep balls in the game right now. But I can easily give him the same criticisms that you guys keep giving to Russell Wilson, especially when comparing Joe Flacco with Matt Ryan (who were both drafted in 2008). "It's easy to look good when you have a defense (Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs) and running game (Ray Rice) and also a top 3 head coach." Matt Ryan puts up numbers every year (just like Andrew Luck), has played with pro bowl/hall of fame receivers (Roddy White/Tony Gonzalez/Julio Jones (just like Luck has played with Reggie Wayne and TY Hilton)), has never really had a great o-line or defense (see a trend here), and has pretty much carried the Falcon's franchise to wins as well. So does that make Ryan better then Flacco?
Futures 11.22.16	acting like a 1000 year old reggie wayne and ty hilton are god tier receivers just lol
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Reggie Wayne and TY Hilton both made the pro bowl with Luck as there QB
Futures 11.22.16	yeah luck made them good.
AlexKzillion 11.22.16	Maybe TY but Wayne nah he was already a hall of fame lock before Luck got there. TY would still be the #1 WR on almost half the teams in the league though
Titan 11.22.16	'But I can easily give him the same criticisms that you guys keep giving to Russell Wilson' Definitely. And Matt Ryan is better than both of them.
AlexKzillion 11.23.16	Wilson>Luck=Ryan>Flacco overall, but Flacco is arguably better then all of them in January when it really matters.
Futures 11.23.16	yeah wayne was a hall of fame lock but he was 200 years old dude
AlexKzillion 11.23.16	Age didn't catch up to Wayne until 2014, the two years before he was ballin out like usual EDIT: Nah just 2012, only played in 7 games in 2013
Futures 11.23.16	not really but sure
grannypantys 11.23.16	Good thread. So many predictions proven wrong already.
AlexKzillion 11.23.16	How is 106 catches (second most of his career) for 1355 yards (tied for second most of his career) not ballin out tho?
teamster 11.23.16	If I am starting a franchise right now. Fresh, brand new, and need to pick one player today? I am taking Andrew Luck.
RogueNine 11.23.16	Wayne was a baller for a long time.
unclereich 11.23.16	lollolol the patriots, that defense will be exploited in the playoffs per the usual
Maniac! 11.23.16	"Alright regarding Joe Flacco: Dude is maybe the strangest QB to ever play the game. During the regular season he looks kind of off a lot of the time, offense always seems to be struggling (especially when he doesn't have a running game), stats aren't anything special, but he wins enough games to get the Ravens to the playoffs. Then in January he decides to all the sudden put up numbers only comparable to Joe Montana's, and he seems to be the only QB over the last 30 years that Bill Belichek hasn't figured out. Dude also has one of the best deep balls in the game right now." Just like Eli Manning. It's hilarious.
Titan 11.23.16	i know this is days old now, but zeke is hysterical.....has referred to himself as 'feastmode' loool http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000743932/article/cowboys-try-hand-at-comedy-with-breakfast-club
JoylessBastard 11.23.16	Here's to hoping Flacco can get it together just enough to get the Ravens to the post season this year
pjquinones747 11.23.16	Luck makes TY better but he'd still be a WR1 or 2 on any other team in the league. And good points on the Flacco = Wilson, Luck = Ryan comparison. Never thought to draw that comparison and it makes a ton of sense. I think the front office is failing the latter two more than the coaching ever could. Imagine if either of those two guys were in a place like Arizona or Minnesota. Rings would be a near lock if you ask me. edit: I will say Atlanta has marginally improved over the years. It's just been slow and painful to watch.
AlexKzillion 11.23.16	Lol yeah Zeke is hillarous. Yall see that video with him and Dak and Dez and Beasley eating breakfast?
claygurnz 11.23.16	Haha that video is great man
dbizzles 11.28.16	RRRRRRAAAAAAAIDERRRRRRRS! Should have dominated today, but that first half should worry a few teams in the league. Pure dominance in the first half.
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	The Seahawks were disappointing today to say the least. Finally thought the o-line got their shit together and then....
Titan 11.28.16	i'll take it....breathing room
dbizzles 11.28.16	Tough loss for SEA. TB isn't very good.
Titan 11.28.16	TB is better than you think
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	Yeah I think Tampa is better then most people think, especially after beating KC and Seattle back to back. Low key 6-5 and only one game behind the Falcons in the South.
Titan 11.28.16	they also beat (split) with Atlanta, have won 3 in a row, took dbizzles Raiders to OT, and have a defense that is really starting to click
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	Seahawks really need to pull it together on the road though like holy fuck they're 2-3-1. No excuse for playing as bad as they did in Tampa today, who were 4-17 at home since 2014 going into today.
dbizzles 11.28.16	Their defense has been looking better, but it's still their biggest flaw and their offense is inconsistent at best. They may be be a wild card contender, but it's going to be tough for them to make the playoff and be successful.
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	Not really sold on any NFC South team but it looks like the Falcons are gonna win it just because they have a way easier schedule to end the season.
dbizzles 11.28.16	They probably will. TB has two games against the Saints that they could lose and have to travel to Dallas. They also play SD who is dangerous against anyone.
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	Damn yo the Dolphins are 7-4. Honestly not sure what to think of them
dbizzles 11.28.16	They're well-rounded but not that great. Could make some noise if they win a few more. I olroot for them more than anyone else in that division.
Maniac! 11.28.16	carolina loses yet another winnable game by a field goal margin
dbizzles 11.28.16	Carolina could have lost by 2-3 scores. 13 points off turnovers that may not have happened if Carr hadn't gotten hurt.
Maniac! 11.28.16	"if" means nothing though. Carolina could have won "if" Oher, Kuechly, Kalil, etc. were playing
BallsToTheWall 11.28.16	Classic Panthers coming up short.
dbizzles 11.28.16	Maniac, that's why I said 'could' and not 'should.' I'm realistic. That first half should worry some potential foes though. It was impressive.
dbizzles 11.28.16	I hope the Chiefs can pull this off.
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	Fuck man I need to stop watching Snf. Seems like every good game goes down to the wire and I end up staying up until like 12:30
Titan 11.28.16	i wish i watched it......called it a night at the half.......looks like it was an epic game
teamster 11.28.16	I've come to the conclusion this is the worst the NFL has ever been. In the history of its existence. Just shit. The teams are just shit. Too many injuries, too much parity, the rules suck and officiating is god awful. Not one, I mean not one of these teams that wins the superbowl will be able to hold any of the previous super bowl winners jock straps. Lions? Dolphins? Giants? Chiefs? Redskins? Texans? Vikings? Just shit! Even the Patriots roster is just shit! I will be rooting for the cowgirls - at least they have a bunch of pro bowlers on their team. Rant over.
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	"Too many injuries, too much parity, the rules suck and officiating is god awful." I kind of like the insane amount of parity this year. Would rather see half the league have a legit chance at a title instead of like 2-4 teams with a legit chance (the NBA?) Then again I'm still in the Cowboys/Seahawks/Patriots>>>Everyone else state of mind so I guess I'm being a little ironic
teamster 11.28.16	Alex - that is true. Many teams have a chance this year. I am saying quantity does not equal quality. The quality of players/rosters is as low as I can remember.
pjquinones747 11.28.16	Tampa could steal a wildcard from Washington if they stumble at all. Though they'd probably get creamed in the first round unless they luck out in seeding. Same exact thing goes for Miami vs. Denver for that wildcard spot. Denver has the toughest record for their remaining opponents so it's looking grim. I have family in both of those cities so I follow Miami and TB but I don't think they'll be able to make it far in the playoffs this year. Things are looking bright for these guys in the coming seasons though.
Titan 11.28.16	i actually think the quality of the talent is as high as its ever been, roster wide.....these guys are machines.....
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	While I do agree with Titan here, I think it's hard to measure because of how different the rules are even compared to like 10 years ago.
pjquinones747 11.28.16	This parity means that the teams have all gotten much better. I mean, the Patriots are still killing it but other teams are keeping teams humble (besides Cleveland and San Fran) and new powers have risen. I love it, I just really have been hating all the refball. It's been a mess this year in that regard.
teamster 11.28.16	If the redskins stumble, their could be 5 , I said 5 new playoff teams in the NFC from a year ago, that is insane.
Titan 11.28.16	it's what gives us all hope!
DominionMM1 11.28.16	"I love it, I just really have been hating all the refball. It's been a mess this year in that regard." it's not gonna get better any time soon. I just can't stand all the damn commercials. one team scores then it's commercials. then the kickoff and it's more commercials. then there's a player slow to get up and more commercials. oh a play needs to be reviewed? guess what? more fucking commercials.
teamster 11.28.16	^ I heard on our local sports talk radio station in a 3 hour telecast their are 12 minutes or so of actual football action. Think about that...wow.
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	That's part of what makes it so exciting.
Titan 11.28.16	that is a fact teamster......but a damn aggressive and competitive 12 minutes, literally giving it their all in 6 second bursts
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	Like I can't even watch non-playoff NBA/NHL/MLS games because it's just so fast paced and it just doesn't get me excited like the NFL does.
pjquinones747 11.28.16	Yeah the commericals are really frustrating.. it does feel like they've gotten worse. But they gotta make their money somehow.
Titan 11.28.16	im fine with the commercial breaks, they typically give my blood pressure a chance to return to normalcy
AlexKzillion 11.28.16	And a chance to hit the bathroom.
dbizzles 12.05.16	RRRRRRAAAAAAAIDERRRRRRRS
teamster 12.05.16	Still sticking with Cowgirls vs Patsys
pjquinones747 12.05.16	Got Giants v. Pats round 3. Would chortle until my soul expires if it happened again and Giants won again.
dbizzles 12.05.16	The G-Men aren't very good, imo. But they could rally in the playoffs. The NFC is weird this year.
BallsToTheWall 12.05.16	I needed this year and I needed to throw a temper tantrum. I'll no longer be a terrible Panthers fan. I'd like to see patriots/Cowboys.
AlexKzillion 12.05.16	The Steelers defense played very well yesterday but idk if that's because they actually improved or because of the incopetency of the Giant's offense. The Steelers are 7-0 when the defense gives up less then 16 points, and 0-5 when they give up more then 16. They'll go as far as the defense takes them, because it doesn't seem like the offense will ever get fully healthy.
pjquinones747 12.05.16	Their defense stepped up big time this year. I am on the Manning clutch bandwagon.
guitarded_chuck 12.05.16	as much as i hate the patriots if it comes down to them and the cowboys im gonna be routing for the pats, would be a fucking hilarious anti-climax
AlexKzillion 12.05.16	The Steelers defense has also choked in big moments (see: vs. Miami and Dallas).
pjquinones747 12.05.16	I don't think I can root for the Patriots unless it's against the Seahawks, but even now I think I'd be rooting for the Seahawks because I don't want Brady to get his 5th ring.
unclereich 12.05.16	People are giving the pats way too much credit this year. A year you play the browns and niners is a gift from god. Brady doesnt look as sharp and their defense doesnt impress[ranking say otherwise but look at the opponents]. I dont have them going to the superbowl.
Satellite 12.05.16	lions >
unclereich 12.05.16	Lions D starting to heat up
Satellite 12.05.16	i was blown away by the way the d completely shut down the saints' offense in the metrodome.
unclereich 12.05.16	No shit getting hot at the right time im hoping my team [raiders ] can do the same.
Satellite 12.05.16	how amazing would a raiders-lions super bowl be???
unclereich 12.05.16	Too amazing to imagine the universe wouldnt allow it. Interestingly enough however it happens frequently on my madden franchise
pjquinones747 12.05.16	Lions in the Super Bowl would be about as crazy as the Cubs winning the world series
Satellite 12.05.16	*superdome, not metrodome derp
AlexKzillion 12.05.16	A Lions v. Raiders Super Bowl would be highly entertaining
someguest 12.05.16	A team of men with a combined IQ of 200.
Spec 12.05.16	The Browns lost their bi week in overtime.
teamster 12.05.16	Maybe because they have sucked for so long - and I am used to "chalk" being in the playoffs but I'm still not buying the Lions, Chiefs, Raiders, Bucs. And the Giants are the biggest farce in this league. The numbers don't lie.
pjquinones747 12.05.16	I just wanna see the rage on the Chick's face when Derpface Manning steals a ring from him for a third time, don't burst my bubble.
AlexKzillion 12.08.16	Is Jerry Jones trying to revive the quarterback controversy right now lol
Titan 12.08.16	going on sunday night.....nothing like 'Boys Gmen at Met Life on primetime......gonna be nuts
AlexKzillion 12.08.16	Nice man have fun. Based on how the Giants played last week I'm expecting the Cowboys to win by multiple scores.
Titan 12.08.16	never happens that way, not these two teams.....im happy OBJ keeps running his mouth about the refs though, not gonna help them....JPP out
GmemberKills 12.08.16	the patriots offense is so banged up and their defense is really shaky, I can't see them making the super bowl but i wouldn't totally count them out the next 2 weeks are gonna be big measuring sticks for them
Titan 12.08.16	we all need a Cowboys Raiders super bowl.....an intriguing matchup and a fresh look for recent times to say the least
AlexKzillion 12.08.16	I'm really hoping Earl's injury doesn't completely wreck the Seahawk's super bowl aspirations. Big RW is gonna have to step it up.
Brewtality91 12.08.16	32 anyone who disagrees is a hater
DominionMM1 12.08.16	"we all need a Cowboys Raiders super bowl.....an intriguing matchup and a fresh look for recent times to say the least" a tale of hope about two frachises who finally escaped the machinations of their idiot owners
Titan 12.08.16	Jerry >>>>>> Al
Titan 12.08.16	pretty ironic Dom considering neither one is in control anymore
Satellite 12.08.16	i sincerely doubt jerry's days of meddling with the cowboys' success are over dude had to be literally restrained from drafting manziel not 3 years ago
Titan 12.08.16	Jerry has zero control over this team....hasn't had any for 2-3 years now
AlexKzillion 12.08.16	If anyone can end the Cowboy's season right now it's Jerry Jones
stranger 12.08.16	"Jerry has zero control over this team" or his bladder function
dbizzles 12.08.16	Al Davis really fucked us late in his reign. He was awesome for the league though earlier on.
RogueNine 12.08.16	Yeah really all I want are some super fresh faces in the SB.
dbizzles 12.08.16	Derek Carr would like to oblige.
AlexKzillion 12.08.16	Derek Carr will win MVP even though I would love to see a non-QB win it (Zeke). Fun fact: Teams with the MVP on their team are 7-12 in the Super Bowl and 0-5 since 1999.
dbizzles 12.08.16	League is too QB-centric. Elliot is the MVP in my opinion and I'm a huge Raiders fan.
AlexKzillion 12.08.16	I think it's too offense-centric in general. What the 2012-present Seahawks defenses and 2015-present Broncos defenses have done is almost unfathomable to me in this day and age of the NFL, just because of the sheer fact that the rules cater so heavily to the offense.
dbizzles 12.08.16	They've got some monsters too. Von Miller is amazing.
MyNameIsPencil 12.08.16	The way this season has been going I doubt any of the top defensive teams will even make it to the super bowl tbh Oakland vs. Falcons/Giants is what I reckon may happen. Giants remind me of their '07 squad this year, albeit more consistent
pjquinones747 12.08.16	Zeke for MVP? You mean the Cowboys offensive line?
AlexKzillion 12.08.16	No I mean Zeke
pjquinones747 12.08.16	Doesn't deserve it
AlexKzillion 12.08.16	Deserves it more then 99.9% of the league tbh and deserves it far more then any other non-QB
Satellite 12.08.16	actually guys matt fucking stafford is the mvp
pjquinones747 12.08.16	He wouldn't be doing shit without the best o line in the league. Matt Stafford is making a good case as is Matt Ryan and Derek Carr
dbizzles 12.08.16	'Zeke for MVP? You mean the Cowboys offensive line?' I think they are more responsible for Dak's success than Zeke's, but I see your point. I need good vibes tonight, guys. We can keep the playoffs out of Foxborough if Oakland keeps winning. I'm nervous as fuck.
pjquinones747 12.08.16	They've been fantastic run blockers for years man. Also I want Oakland to win for that reason but I'm taking the chiefs.
dbizzles 12.09.16	If I had to pick, I'd pick KC. But, I don't and I won't. I know they've been great run blockers, but Zeke makes people miss and he doesn't fumble. He's great.
DominionMM1 12.09.16	"Deserves it more then 99.9% of the league tbh and deserves it far more then any other non-QB" depends on how you look at it I suppose. I mean, his numbers show that he's been the best skill position player on the team with the leagues best record. On the other, I don't think he's even been the best back in the NFL this year.
dbizzles 12.19.16	RRRRRRAAAAAAAIDERRRRRRRS. Playoffs, fucking finally.
AlexKzillion 12.19.16	Doesn't look like the Broncos are gonna make the playoffs.
americanohno 12.19.16	THE HOUSTON F'ING TEXANS LED BY TOM SAVAGE AT QAURTER BACK MFERS
dbizzles 12.19.16	The Texans and the Titans are both weird, somewhat dangerous teams.
teamster 12.19.16	Pats vs boys ....chalk
NervousBreakdown 12.19.16	The Seattle Seahawks, I pray to Jesus Carroll.
unclereich 12.19.16	Raaaaiiiiiiiiidersssssssssss [2]
Titan 12.19.16	'but Zeke makes people miss and he doesn't fumble.' he has fumbled more than any other running back in the league
dbizzles 12.19.16	I didn't realize he had fumbled 5 times. If it's any consolation, he also has the most carries in the league.
pjquinones747 12.19.16	Pats ripping up the Ravens probably best defense in the league makes it hard to pick against them. I really wanna see Tennessee shock some people though. Last two weeks have been big.
AlexKzillion 12.19.16	I feel like Tom Brady raping the Raven's defense had more to do with the Ravens inept offense struggling to get first downs.
Sowing 12.19.16	this year fucking sucks I hate almost every team that is doing well
teamster 12.19.16	Not saying either team can win it all but my dark horses are Titans and Redskins.
AlexKzillion 12.19.16	Cam needs to come in so clutch tonight to save my season
dbizzles 12.19.16	Was stoked to see Tennessee take out KC. I don't expect the Chiefs to lose again and the Titans could win out as well. It is going to be interesting to see how the AFC South and NFC North play out.
dbizzles 12.19.16	Sowing, let the darkness in your heart.
pjquinones747 12.19.16	Skins would have to win out and they aren't beating the Giants. TB is probably gonna get the 6 seed just for that reason. It won't happen but I'd love to see TB v. TEN in the Super Bowl.
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	TONY ROMO IS BACK
MalleusMaleficarum 12.30.16	Chiefs finna take that West
dbizzles 12.30.16	Oakland is still going to beat Denver!!! Either the AFC West is ours... Or we'll be one and done in the playoffs.
Source 12.30.16	I still believe in the Seahawks...I guess?
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	As much as I still believe in RW and co, it's not looking good. Without Earl it seems like you can go over the top on them at will (something the Redskins, Packers, and especially the Falcons have acceled at this year), and Lockett being out completely removes any kind of explosive threat on offense. Imo they absolutely must get the second bye to have a real chance of getting to the super bowl.
Source 12.30.16	Yeah, I actually doubt lockett will ever play football again tbh
Titan 12.30.16	'BOYS
Crymsonblaze 12.30.16	probably a sports team
Source 12.30.16	Can someone explain to me what "America's team" even means? I've always hated that
Titan 12.30.16	there was a documentary on NFL network about it 2 nights ago.....a film maker was trying to come up with a moniker at the time, and that was it.....to his surprise, it stuck for decades it still is true if there ever was one....more dallas fans than any other team nationwide
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	^^^Which is why "bandwagon Cowboy fans" is like the dumbest phrase of 2016.
Source 12.30.16	It seemed like the phrase died down when the cowboys were average, and now it's back. Kind of irritating honestly.
Titan 12.30.16	there are a good 15,000 of em at metlife every year.....really is incredible
MalleusMaleficarum 12.30.16	its not really that incredible
Source 12.30.16	People also say the Seahawks are a bandwagon team, but we've had an absolutely rabid fanbase since day one.
Titan 12.30.16	go to one of em and tell me that
Source 12.30.16	No nfl stadium compares to the Clink
TheSpaceMan 12.30.16	cowboys do feel american af so i dont mind that phrase
MalleusMaleficarum 12.30.16	if you consider the population of texas as well as the popularity of football in general its really not that incredible
TheSpaceMan 12.30.16	"we've had an absolutely rabid fanbase since day one." then why'd u design ur stadium to sound louder than you really are?
Titan 12.30.16	haven't been to all of em myself, but i will say that AT&T Stadium is amazing in every possible way
MalleusMaleficarum 12.30.16	clink is cool but arrowhead is best
Futures 12.30.16	i still feel i am due apologies from people who laughed at me when i said the vikings would implode and the packers would make the playoffs.
Titan 12.30.16	"we've had an absolutely rabid fanbase since day one." rabid for 10 years now, but thats it
Tyler. 12.30.16	im gonna win the super bowl
Source 12.30.16	The reason I don't like the phrase is because it speaks for everyone. I don't even know any cowboys fans.
TheSpaceMan 12.30.16	@futures always thought this i swear but lets not jinx it
MalleusMaleficarum 12.30.16	lol at anyone who had faith in the vikings
Source 12.30.16	No trust me, rabid for decades. I've lived here my whole life
Titan 12.30.16	nothing tops a Giants Cowboys game at Met Life
MalleusMaleficarum 12.30.16	trust him bro hes not biased or sheltered in any way shape or form
TheSpaceMan 12.30.16	you're taking the phrase too seriously source
Futures 12.30.16	believe it or not the majority of users here thought the vikings would make the super bowl after about 4 weeks lol
Futures 12.30.16	also people who wrote off aaron rodgers lol people here are stupid
TheSpaceMan 12.30.16	aaron rodgers is overrated he just relies on luck
Source 12.30.16	Can't they still get eliminated by the lions though?
Futures 12.30.16	yeah but they also clinch if the redskins lose. plus rodgers will blow the fuck out of the lions. fun fact last 4 weeks or something lions dbs have been allowing over 70% completed passes. gonna be ugly.
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	"i still feel i am due apologies from people who laughed at me when the packers would make the playoffs." They won't after the Redskins beat the Giants and Arod gifts the Lions 6 picks.
Titan 12.30.16	as a dallas fan, i have a feeling we will play gb for our first game....and yes im worried
Source 12.30.16	I kind of want the packers to lose just because Rodgers said they would run the table, even though I like the packers
Futures 12.30.16	They won't after the Redskins beat the Giants and Arod gifts the Lions 6 picks. i think you are thinking of your boy russell who gifted the packers FIVE picks
TheSpaceMan 12.30.16	hahahahaha
Source 12.30.16	That was embarrassing
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	Nah boy when the Packers come up to Seattle in the playoffs arods bout to get blown out
TheSpaceMan 12.30.16	^no way in hell
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	yeah boi
Source 12.30.16	I doubt it but i hope so
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	RW is undefeated against the Packers in Seattle.
Titan 12.30.16	dallas atlanta nfc championship game....book it
TheSpaceMan 12.30.16	probs
Source 12.30.16	After last week's game, wilson's home record doesn't instill confidence
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	Carson Palmer never losses in Seattle, I don't think he has ever lost there Bengals or Cardinals.
Futures 12.30.16	playing in lambeau is a 30 point advantage now? the seahawks got btfo and will get btfod again
Titan 12.30.16	i think seattle will go to atlanta for divisional round and lose
Source 12.30.16	We should have lost the first game against Atlanta, I was kind of ashamed of that so called victory
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	Seahawks vs. Packers in Green Bay this postseason would require the Seahawks losing to the 49ers as well as GB beating the Lions
Futures 12.30.16	wait who are you a fan of source?
Source 12.30.16	Dude the niners won last week, they're on fire
Source 12.30.16	Seahawks fan
Futures 12.30.16	Seahawks vs. Packers in Green Bay this postseason would require the Seahawks losing to the 49ers as well as GB beating the Lions never said that. the two teams played yes in lambaeu but they won by 28. it was a few weeks ago. if they played in seatle they would get murdered again.
Titan 12.30.16	not so sure about that
Source 12.30.16	Green Bay would get murdered?
AlexKzillion 12.30.16	I like the Seahawks chances at home no matter who they play.
Source 12.30.16	I think it's over for us man
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	If they can somehow avoid playing on the road I think they got a shot.
Source 12.31.16	They're banged up, and I don't know if they want it enough at this point
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	They just gotta get both sides of the ball to show up on a consistent basis, which has pretty much not happened at all since like mid-November.
RogueNine 12.31.16	Can we just have the NFC win this year...please?
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	As long as its not discount double check
RogueNine 12.31.16	That would be great too though.
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	Would honestly rather see literally anyone else win it tbh
Futures 12.31.16	packers winning the nfc. alex is such a salty dude
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	Yet they haven't even clinched a playoff spot yet.
Futures 12.31.16	did aaron rodgers murder your family?
RogueNine 12.31.16	I don't think their next game will be a cakewalk.
Futures 12.31.16	if you think you lions will win you are delusional lol. like i said lions dbs past 4 weeks are allowing over 70% passes completed.
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	and the Browns won a game last week Not saying I think they are gonna win but they at least have a chance.
Futures 12.31.16	the chargers are horrible and playing with people on the streets. not much a surprise if you watch football.
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	Lol hindsight is always 20/20
RogueNine 12.31.16	Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if the Lions won.
Futures 12.31.16	that's not it. just not surprising if you know the nfl and the chargers.
NordicMindset 12.31.16	I want Odell to beat TY for league lead in yards
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	I'll say this though I am gonna pissed if the Redskins lose since that pretty much clinches a spot for the Packers before the game even starts.
Futures 12.31.16	the redskins will lose
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	Anyone know if the Giants are sitting anyone this week? I heard Eli is gonna start to "keep his start streak alive" and then be done.
MyNameIsPencil 12.31.16	anyone else think the AFC South could be competitive next season I mean kinda like this year except everyone's not playing just be be barely above .500
RogueNine 12.31.16	Could be since the Titans are on the up-and-up. I'm sure Irsay will be dumb enough to keep Grigson/Pagano around.
Futures 12.31.16	jags will win the division if they get tygod
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	Andrew Luck should request to be traded tbh.
dathvada321 12.31.16	For real. Colts are a terribly run organization
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	I don't think Pagano is as bad of a coach as he's made out to be, but Grigson is by far the worst GM in the league right now.
RogueNine 12.31.16	It drives me up the wall.
MyNameIsPencil 12.31.16	"Grigson is by far the worst GM in the league right now" as a 49ers fan with Trent Baalke I have to disagree, even if they are both shite
MyNameIsPencil 12.31.16	If the Jags can draft well again, and coughlin returns I think a winning record at the least is very doable Titans should be able to patch up that secondary, and Mariota should be back to health by next season Texans still having QB woes, the one thing keeping them from being a truly scary team. And JJ Watt return should bring at least some anxiety to every team he has to face Colts I can see taking more of a slide tho
Titan 12.31.16	'Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if the Lions won.' agreed....game will be close
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	Oh true, forgot all about Baalke.
DominionMM1 12.31.16	Lions are gonna get smoked. They've been pretenders all year.
MyNameIsPencil 12.31.16	Nah, way I see it Stafford will mount the last minute comeback of the ages, effectively breaking the cholesterol ruined hearts of the entire state of Wisconsin
Futures 12.31.16	what planet are you living on where the lions will hold rodgers
TheSpaceMan 12.31.16	Last minute comeback of the ages at Ford? That title is already taken
MalleusMaleficarum 12.31.16	people actually have faith in Atlanta? 😂😂 hilarious
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	If the Lions win, the score is gonna be like 48-45.
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	Rodgers is just too hot right now to throw anything less then 350 yards and 4 touchdowns against that Lions defense
TheSpaceMan 12.31.16	Wow that compliment wasn't even back handed Also a reasonable statement
Futures 12.31.16	alex using logic damn. now admit russell is trash
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	Idk dude Russell literally got 350 yards and 4 TDs last week.
Futures 12.31.16	he also literally threw 5 picks against the packers
AlexKzillion 12.31.16	That was only like the second time he threw 3 or more picks in his whole career
MalleusMaleficarum 12.31.16	russell isnt trash everyone has a bad day and some have terrible offensive lines too....
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	Welp, looks like the 49ers are finally gonna fire Baalke, as well as Chip Kelly.
Futures 01.01.17	lol chip is going back to college probably tennessee
MyNameIsPencil 01.01.17	fuckinnngggg good
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	Kinda feel bad for Chip though, I'm not even sure Bill Belichick would have gotten more then six wins with that roster.
MyNameIsPencil 01.01.17	Probably not just don't hire jeff fisher pls
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000757780/article/jeff-fisher-i-want-a-chance-to-play-the-rams Huh
Futures 01.01.17	more like chip smelly thanks for your time
TheSpaceMan 01.01.17	"That was only like the second time he threw 3 or more picks in his whole career" I don't believe this, didn't he throw 3 picks against the packers 2 years ago in the NFC championship?
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	Yeah that was the other time I was referring to Now that I think about it, maybe Dom Capers just has RW's number. Kinda seems like the Packers defense plays way better against the Seahawks then they do against everyone else.
Futures 01.01.17	pack or cowboys coming out of the nfc lock it up
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	I like the Packer's chances more then the Cowboy's tbh. I just can't see Dallas riding a rookie quarterback all the way to the Super Bowl, just doesn't feel right. I'm really liking the Falcons tho tbh.
TheSpaceMan 01.01.17	Packers D def excels against Seattle, no idea why
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	Especially that man Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, like he literally turns into 2008 Ed Reed when RW steps on the field. Well except that 2-point play
Gyromania 01.01.17	Who cares? Football is the most boring sport ever besides baseball. Soccer and hockey are king. And tennis ofc
Futures 01.01.17	always the contrarian
Gyromania 01.01.17	I said I enjoy 3 sports and that I find 2 boring. How is that contrarian. Do you think everybody loves football?
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	I don't get how hockey/soccer/tennis are more entertaining to watch then football tbh
Futures 01.01.17	most americans who enjoy sports in general enjoy football. so yeah contrarian.
Gyromania 01.01.17	Football is a bunch of guys taking the ball about 20 feet before someone stops them and then we have to wait 5 minutes to see the next play. 1 hour of entertainment stretched out to 5
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	Soccer and Hockey are both just a bunch of guys taking the ball/puck up and down a field/rink for all of eternity without hardly any scoring or anything entertaining happening. See I can do it too
Futures 01.01.17	lol gyro you are so dumb it hurts
Gyromania 01.01.17	At least they're doing something instead of having us wait an eternity for a single fucking play to be carried out. Overall tho rocket league > every other sport
GmemberKills 01.01.17	sounds like someone needs to watch nfl red zone. I swear from 3:00 to 4:30 its like the best hour and a half on television
Futures 01.01.17	red zone channel is mans greatest creation
TheSpaceMan 01.01.17	You're contrarian when you click on a link called "who's gonna win the SB" and say tennis is obv a better sport
TheSpaceMan 01.01.17	Happy new years guys First thread on my discussions so
conesmoke 01.01.17	The parramatta eels
unclereich 01.01.17	We'll have a pats v hawks rematch
TheSpaceMan 01.01.17	Literally anything but that please
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	Also I have trouble seeing the Patriots getting to the Super Bowl without Gronk, and I have a feeling Andy Reid or Big Ben will finally beat the Patriots in the playoffs (hoping for the latter to of course). Also btw I've talked mad shit about the Chiefs itt but the emergence of Tyreek Hill has definitely changed my perception of them in regards to them truly being contenders or not.
TheSpaceMan 01.01.17	I would love for the steelers to take down the pats. Is that possible in the current AFC picture?
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	The Steelers are locked into the 3rd seed so the only way they play each other is if either a) they both make it to the championship or b) the Raiders win and the Patriots lose tomorrow which would cause the Patriots to be the second seed, so with a Steelers wild card win they would play each other in the divisional round.
Futures 01.01.17	without gronk lol dude come on. martellus bennett is a beast. it's a done deal
pjquinones747 01.01.17	Lions Packers is gonna be a great game but A Rod has been on fire all December. Pack > KC SB51
MyNameIsPencil 01.01.17	Packers won't even make it the nfc championship, assuming they make it to the playoffs
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	Bennett isn't Gronk tho. I can def see the Steelers or Chiefs beating them if those teams play the way they've been playing the past month.
NordicMindset 01.01.17	If the Pack and the Lions play to a tie they both make it If one wins and the other loses it's possible one won't I smell a conspiracy brewing
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	I garuntee if the game ends in a tie Goodell is gonna try to investigate somethingggg
MyNameIsPencil 01.01.17	he should investigate his bum
Futures 01.01.17	if you think anybody other than the pack or the cowboys are coming out of the nfc you are probably pretty stupid and if you think the pats will not make the super bowl lol
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	now watch literally none of that happen
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	About to be Kirk Cousins vs. Tom Savage lock it in
Futures 01.01.17	would bet millions on the pats to just make it if i had it
unclereich 01.01.17	Chiefs are dog shit
teamster 01.01.17	If the Pack make it and eventually have to go to Atlanta they will give up 40 points..
Futures 01.01.17	and they will score 50
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	Lol how is Vic Beasley leading the league is sacks right now? They were calling that man a bust last year
AlexKzillion 01.01.17	"I wanted the Browns, Dolphins, Niners, etc. fans to feel like they actually have a chance." HOW BOUT THEM DOLPHINS
TheSpaceMan 01.01.17	My mom's a dolphins fan and I was born in FL so they've always had a place in my heart. Glad they've done work this year
dbizzles 01.01.17	Getting wrecked hard right now.
MyNameIsPencil 01.01.17	packers defense is the exact opposite of clutch and that offense can only stay hot for so long tbh. Seeing how they really don't have a run game, someone's going to stop rodgers. rather it be actually figuring him out in the playoffs, or they just get outplayed.
Futures 01.01.17	by the falcons? the seahawks who they just dicked? your immense hatred for the packers is clouding your judgement.
MyNameIsPencil 01.01.17	Yes and no the point is, they are a good team that always falls apart in the post-season, which they haven't even clinched yet this season, and even with Rodgers playing as his is, it would be difficult for him to carry to team as he is alllll the way to the super bowl. The NFC is wide open, while the AFC is either the Patriots (like 90%) or the Chiefs (10%)
Futures 01.01.17	nah the falcons are frauds who don't have an impressive win, the pack just annihilated the seahawks , already beat the giants.
MyNameIsPencil 01.01.17	Falcons beat the Packers though.
MyNameIsPencil 01.01.17	sure, by a point. but they still beat them. Giants would probably pull their '07 or even '11 magic on them. idk. they are a pure wildcard going in to the post season and I love it
dbizzles 01.01.17	Fuck. Looks like Oakland is gonna drop to #5.
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	"your immense hatred for the packers is clouding your judgement." And your immense boner for Rodgers clouds yours. "The NFC is wide open, while the AFC is either the Patriots (like 90%) or the Chiefs (10%)" Yet the Steelers sharted on the Chiefs and only lost to the Pats by 11 with Landry Jones at QB.
unclereich 01.02.17	Connor cook looks legit and will give hustons d headaches
Futures 01.02.17	says you whose packer hating boner is bigger than pencils lmao btw redskins lost just like i said hmmmm makes u think
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	Calling it now Norv Turner and Tony Romo both go to Denver.
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	"says you whose packer hating boner is bigger than pencils lmao" Thing is most of the time Im doing it for shitz and gigs
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	Thats one way to try and excuse incorrect predictions
Futures 01.02.17	lol yeah
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	"They won't after the Redskins beat the Giants and Arod gifts the Lions 6 picks." Oh yeah cause this was totaaalllyyy gonna happen
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	Like I obv hate the Packers but lol at thinking that I dont shroud it in hyperbole
MarsKid 01.02.17	So long as the Pats don't win I'm happy
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	Also did I not just predict Arod going for at least 350 and 4 TDs tonight??
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	I'm just bustin your balls lol you're not the only one with that power
Futures 01.02.17	the vikings will win the super bowl ok well the packers will miss the playoffs ok well the packers won't win a game in the playoffs the goal post moving of some people here is hilarious
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	I never said the first two lol (if Im who you were referring to)
Futures 01.02.17	"some people"
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	Just left a house full of Redskins fans. Was really depressing Rodgers better ball out tonight cause I'm tryna play the Lions next week
dathvada321 01.02.17	I'm so fucking mad at the Redskins right now. Played like total ass out there.
Source 01.02.17	I'd rather play the packers than the lions at this point
Futures 01.02.17	lol
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	I'd rather play the Lions then pretty much every other NFC team tbh
Source 01.02.17	@Futures The Seahawks struggle more against mediocre teams. Calm down
Futures 01.02.17	pretty calm rn all i said was lol dude jesus
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	That TD play was incredible
Futures 01.02.17	gotta get a ripkowski jersey. very gritty deceptive speed gym rat football guy
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	Yeah dude ripkowski is a threat
Satellite 01.02.17	2 white halfbacks in a game for the first time since 1962
Futures 01.02.17	"Ripkowski v Zenner sounds like a Surpreme Court case establishing coaches sons as a protected class of citzens"- PFTCommenter
MyNameIsPencil 01.02.17	Cool if Green Bay wins tonight they just get to lose the Giants in the playoffs early "Steelers started on the Chiefs" True, and I did mean to add the Steelers to that picture too
Satellite 01.02.17	pft is the worst site on the internet that doesn't host scat porn
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	Easiest way to become a star in the NFL: Play fullback for the Packers
Futures 01.02.17	pft is the worst site on the internet that doesn't host scat porn pftcommenter
Satellite 01.02.17	?
Futures 01.02.17	funny internet personality. google it
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	Lol that hail mary
Satellite 01.02.17	barstool is a pretty shit site too tbh deadspin >
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	Meh
Futures 01.02.17	deadspin lmao what a shit site
Satellite 01.02.17	damn you're just full of shitty opinions, huh?
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	Imo packers won the NFC North
Satellite 01.02.17	Sadellite
Futures 01.02.17	i was right yet again. truly shocking stuff.
MyNameIsPencil 01.02.17	PLAYOFF GIANTS TIME
pjquinones747 01.02.17	The two NFC teams I want to see in the Super Bowl the most are playing eachother next weekend. I have a feeling that we are going to see a rematch of one of the previous applicable 50 Super Bowls.
teamster 01.02.17	Interesting note. The Packers played every playoff team in the NFC. Who works for Elias Sports Bureau? How often does that happen?
MalleusMaleficarum 01.02.17	"chiefs are dog shit" afc west champs pheggit
Source 01.02.17	If the giants face the patriots in the super bowl and win like in 2007-2008 and 2011-2012 it will be comedy gold.
NordicMindset 01.02.17	Landon Collins for DPOY who can say no
Futures 01.02.17	jalen ramsey probably
DominionMM1 01.02.17	Khalil Mack probably
Futures 01.02.17	oh thought that said rookie for some reason lol. yeah mack but jalen for droy
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	Liking the parity for all the main awards this year.
Futures 01.02.17	MVP Rodgers OPOY Matt Ryan DPOY Khalil Mack OROY Ezekiel Elliott DROY Jalen Ramsey COY Andy Reid
Dylan620 01.02.17	Pats m/
DominionMM1 01.02.17	Switch Rodgers and Ryan and you've got my picks Still think Aaron Donald is the best defensive player in football atm though
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	For MVP I would have to go Carr because of how horrible the Raiders are without him. Pretty confident they aren't gonna beat the Texans either tbh Def can't go wrong with Rodgers but I would love to see Zeke somehow win it
someguest 01.02.17	Who gives a shit?
Futures 01.02.17	a lot of people do. we get it you are a salty old man
someguest 01.02.17	Sports serve the same purpose as religion. They keep the idiots occupied.
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	And sputs there for the non communal idiots
someguest 01.02.17	Sputnikmusic discusses art. Art is a means of making it through the day.
Futures 01.02.17	music and film keep the idiots occupied. retard logic
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	Yeah music is just programmed sedatives
someguest 01.02.17	Music and film take time to grow, require historical knowledge, and need a purpose/point. Waking up and running fast with the ability to throw/shoot/hurl/toss a ball cannot, even slightly, be measured at the same level.
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	I mean there's value in both, just in different places
someguest 01.02.17	One offers almost guaranteed benefits if pursued. One offers nearly unreachable, over-inflated benefits if the path to the top is perfect.
Futures 01.02.17	uh even a lot of musicians you consider big have day jobs. so they are one in the same both are almost unattainable for almost everyone.
someguest 01.02.17	They're not trying to attain the same thing.
Maniac! 01.02.17	"Sports serve the same purpose as religion. They keep the idiots occupied." Bruh quit your trolling
Futures 01.02.17	They're not trying to attain the same thing. yeah they are. most bands breakup because they aren't making money.
RogueNine 01.02.17	I don't think the AFC is locked up by any one team. Should be interesting.
Futures 01.02.17	not sure why you think that lol
hal1ax 01.02.17	waaahh, i don't like sports, they're for idiots music is much more thought provoking and meaningful, like new ulcerate! embittered little fucking twat
MO 01.02.17	As much as I hate to admit it, I don't see anyone beating the Patriots. Kc has a great shot though. All in all I'll be going to Atlanta/Packers
someguest 01.02.17	What happens if you don't make it to the top as a musician? You still have an output - something you created that exists as a piece of the time. What happens if you don't make it to the top as an athlete (entirely cringe-worthy term)? It's like you did nothing at all, unless you glance at those plaques at your alma mater.
someguest 01.02.17	"like new ulcerate!" Please quote where that was said in this thread, relish head.
Futures 01.02.17	"plagues" lol nice work also the term athlete is cringeworthy now lmao that's one of the dumbest things i have ever heard
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	I bet KC doesn't even beat the Steelers in the div round, let alone beat the Patriots
RogueNine 01.02.17	I think it's very straightforward.
someguest 01.02.17	""plagues lol nice work" Good catch. "also the term athlete is cringeworthy now lmao that's one of the dumbest things i have ever heard" See, you can either add to time (releasing an album) or you can let time destroy you (your "athlete's body").
hal1ax 01.02.17	extrapolated from your ratings page. assuming when you argue for musics value over sports your highly rated albums can serve as a template
NordicMindset 01.02.17	I'm not excited to go to GB, would have much preferred DET
someguest 01.02.17	Ahh, good 'ol assuming.
Futures 01.02.17	this is some of the dumbest shit i have ever heard lmao
someguest 01.02.17	Don't crack your peanut sized noggin.
Futures 01.02.17	back to the retirement home with you
someguest 01.02.17	All your favorite athletes will be there well before me.
L4titudes 01.02.17	Browns.
pjquinones747 01.02.17	MVP Matt Ryan OPOY David Johnson DPOY Landon Collins OROY Zeke DROY Jalen Ramsey CPOY DeMarco Murray COY Andy Reid
Futures 01.02.17	ryan over rodgers takes are pretty lol worthy tbh. first rodgers has better stats second rodgers is carrying the team on his back singlehandedly
unclereich 01.02.17	Why would andy reid win coy his team loses in the playoffs every year
Spacesh1p 01.02.17	As a Falcons fan, Ryan is also basically carrying the team too considering the defensive performances.
Futures 01.02.17	ryan has julio jones and a team that doesn't have 50 injuries
Sevengill 01.02.17	#14
pjquinones747 01.02.17	Hawks barely beat SF after getting beat by ARI at home lol
unclereich 01.02.17	Tom brady because his best receiver is a 30 year old white boy and his running back is perpetually stoned
unclereich 01.02.17	Oh and not to mention brady is 40 fxcking years old
Futures 01.02.17	rodgers best wr is also a 30 year old white guy and his rb was a wr to start the season lol
unclereich 01.02.17	Pleasssse dont compare jordy nelson to fucking julian edleman youre better than that
Sevengill 01.02.17	I like the Jaguars apparently they like me too, because when I went to see them this year they won at home for the first time in more than a year. what guys.
Futures 01.02.17	dude jordy is washed didn't you watch the first half of the season. edelmen is objectively better
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	yeah jordy in the huttle be like "aaron dude if you can extend the play for like 8 seconds i can get open 10 yds deep" "ok fine"
Spacesh1p 01.02.17	"ryan has julio jones and a team that doesn't have 50 injuries" Agree with you there but I still think Ryan is a strong candidate. He has Jones but he's definitely not the only one catching a load of passes for arguably the league's best offense. MVP is always open to interpretations by definition though.
TheSpaceMan 01.02.17	ryan is def a contender no question but what futures is saying is true, he may have the spotlight but he's got a lot to work with
RogueNine 01.02.17	Ryan's got a pretty good case. Dunno how you can be MVP when your team goes 3-1 without you but yeah.
Futures 01.02.17	sanu is a top 20 receiver as well. coleman and freeman are the some of the best pass catching backs in the league. for the record i picked ryan for OPOY
unclereich 01.02.17	Dunno how you can be MVP when your team goes 3-1 without you but yeah. By going 12-1, and throwing two interceptions at the age of 39
Spacesh1p 01.02.17	I can get behind OPOY as well. Easier to rate than what exactly "valuable" means in the context of team sports.
NordicMindset 01.02.17	what brady did in those last 12 games was better than what everyone else did. it's hard for people to vote for him missing 1/4th of the year but man did he put up a hell of an argument
RogueNine 01.02.17	Sure, but does that make you the most valuable? Not to me.
NordicMindset 01.02.17	MVP should just be best player anyways, enough arguing about the semantics of the 'V'
unclereich 01.02.17	Pats woulda been 14-2 without brady agreed hard
Futures 01.02.17	well if it is truly the best player bong tam give it to david johnson
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	May I ask why yall are picking Andy Reid for COY?
Futures 01.02.17	best division in football. 2 seed. nobody really expected it.
AlexKzillion 01.02.17	Idk I think Garrett and Gase are a little more deserving
DominionMM1 01.02.17	"ryan over rodgers takes are pretty lol worthy tbh. first rodgers has better stats" not really. ryan has more yards, more ypa, better completion %, and a better passer rating. they both have 7 picks. Only thing rodgers has the edge in is TD passes by 2.
Futures 01.02.17	i already made my case. rodgers has been far more impressive with what he has to work with.
DominionMM1 01.02.17	if you ignore the first half of the season sure
Futures 01.02.17	that is really dumb logic dude.
DominionMM1 01.02.17	not really but it's cool. You're entitled to your opinions.
Futures 01.02.17	it's not a first half mvp award lol
DominionMM1 01.02.17	I'm well aware. and ryan has been just as good as rodgers in the 2nd half of the season. whats gonna put ryan over the top are his vastly superior stats and his late 4th quarter comeback against the pack. like it or not, voters do look at head to head with mvp candidates.
Futures 01.02.17	"VASTLY superior stats" lmao. still no retort to ryan having 10x the weapons. like it or not voters look at that also
DominionMM1 01.02.17	let's not sit here and pretend rodgers is throwing to scrubs and yes Ryan's got rodgers beat significantly in every major statistical category except touchdown passes
Futures 01.02.17	jordy is washed. davante drops the ball 50% of the time. cobb is hurt. people named geronimo allison and aaron ripkowski are getting meaningful touches.
DominionMM1 01.02.17	Nelson has looked pretty good this year. No idea where you got it in your head that he's washed up. Adams has been inconsistent but the talent is there. And I'd take cook over whatever nobody the Falcons are putting out there at TE. Overall, yeah the Falcons have more offensive weapons but the difference isn't as drastic as you make it out to be.
Futures 01.02.17	jordy is washed rodgers makes him look good. it is drastic. i repeat geronimo allison and aaron ripkowski
deathschool 01.02.17	I'm going to win the super bowl.
RogueNine 01.02.17	Nelson's still got it.
Futures 01.02.17	everybody thought he should be cut in the first half of the season.
RogueNine 01.02.17	Those people aren't very bright.
DominionMM1 01.02.17	Who's everybody?
Futures 01.02.17	nfl insiders people that probably know more than you do
AlexKzillion 01.03.17	Nelson is better then every Falcons WR other then Julio tbh
Futures 01.03.17	sanu is better than nelson
AlexKzillion 01.03.17	If Sanu was better then Nelson he would still be a Bengal
Futures 01.03.17	they didn't want to pay him
unclereich 01.03.17	sanu is better than nelson http://imgur.com/Tjq0sy2
Futures 01.03.17	lol
DominionMM1 01.03.17	"nfl insiders people that probably know more than you do" those insiders (of which I've not seen) must not know how the salary cap and dead money work, because it would've cost the pack $12 million or so to release him this year. but yeah I'm sure there were tons of experts who were calling for nelsons release.
NordicMindset 01.03.17	the Nelson hate is being vastly exaggerated here. the packers were not going to CUT him.
Source 01.03.17	Well I officially avoided being dead last in my fantasy league by half a game. Yay
DominionMM1 01.03.17	Well obviously. Dude was coming back from an acl tear and missed all of last season. Everyone knew it would take some time before he got to 100%.
unclereich 01.03.17	And hes literally had the best 6 game span of any receiver in the nfl this season
Futures 01.03.17	yeah rodgers is making him look like a god
DominionMM1 01.03.17	think you mean nelson is making rodgers look like a god
Futures 01.03.17	lmao if you believe that you really are pretty stupid
AlexKzillion 01.03.17	Not sure about that, but he def makes Cobb look way better then he actually is. Cobb is the 15th highest paid WR this year, making more then Brandon Marshall, Antonio Brown, and even, wait for it, Jordy Nelson. If the Packers should cut anyone it's him.
Futures 01.03.17	yeah cobb is not good.
DominionMM1 01.03.17	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KCwe2WftI7Y
MyNameIsPencil 01.03.17	I swear $20 says if I draft Nelson next year for my fantasy team he'll get another season ender. that still makes me sad.
Futures 01.03.17	geronimo allison
MyNameIsPencil 01.03.17	Lacy is probably done tbh
NordicMindset 01.03.17	Nelson has been Rodgers' most consistent target the whole year. Cobb has been mediocre, Adams has butterfingers, and the rest get 4-6 looks a game. The emergence of Ty as a legitimate RB has been one of the more surprising aspects of their season
Futures 01.03.17	yeah give ripkowski the max
MyNameIsPencil 01.03.17	Lions v Dolphins battle of the 6 seed
MyNameIsPencil 01.03.17	which will literally never happen, and if it does I will tattoo the packers logo on my arm
DominionMM1 01.03.17	"and even, wait for it, Jordy Nelson. If the Packers should cut anyone it's him." Less guaranteed money if I'm not mistaken. Wouldn't make a ton of sense to release him right now. Maybe next year.
AlexKzillion 01.03.17	Not according to what I'm looking at. Might be a slight chance I'm not looking at something right though so I'll just leave the link http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/
DominionMM1 01.03.17	"geronimo allison" Justin hardy Austin hooper Aldrick robinson
DominionMM1 01.03.17	"Not according to what I'm looking at. Might be a slight chance I'm not looking at something right though so I'll just leave the link" You are correct sir. Was looking at something else.
TheSpaceMan 01.03.17	"if it does I will tattoo the packers logo on my arm" LOL holding you to this
Futures 01.03.17	aaron ripkowski is getting the most touches of packers rbs right now
MalleusMaleficarum 01.03.17	lol at sanu being better than nelson though
Maniac! 01.03.17	Think Bradford will continue to produce well in MN?
kascetcadettt 01.03.17	ARE Y'ALL FUCKING STUPID I'M GONNA WIN THE SUPERBOWL
AlexKzillion 01.03.17	"Think Bradford will continue to produce well in MN?" You mean start? I mean yeah greatest completion percentage in NFL history is great and all but the dude's stat line is like 43/47 150yds 0TDs every game
kascetcadettt 01.03.17	please stop how do we close this thread
Maniac! 01.03.17	"You mean start? I mean yeah greatest completion percentage in NFL history is great and all but the dude's stat line is like 43/47 150yds 0TDs every game" Well yeah. Do you think he's going to start over Bridgewater, and then not fuck it up midseason?
Maniac! 01.03.17	I'd still take bradford over many of the QBs in the league.
dbizzles 01.03.17	I wish Oakland got to play at home since we have a way better record than the Texans. I'm worried.
dbizzles 01.03.17	Hey, Kascet, what the fuck are you talking about?
DominionMM1 01.03.17	I would be too if I were a raiders fan actually, I wouldn't because I'd have already given up
Titan 01.03.17	'BOYS
dbizzles 01.03.17	Oh yeah, we are fucked even if we win. It doesn't even matter. But, Raiders fan or not, the way they give homefield advantage is pretty stupid.
DominionMM1 01.03.17	good news man the texans are starting osweiler
dbizzles 01.03.17	I hope he just fucks up hard. Honestly, they should have beaten us last time, but we looked awful and still won. I'd be happy with just a win this weekend. No chance in hell we win in Arrowhead.
DominionMM1 01.03.17	Well if the raiders do beat the texans I'm pretty sure they'll be heading to gillette unless miami pulls a minor miracle
dbizzles 01.03.17	The seeding has been confusing me. I thought we'd play KC since we are a higher seed than HOU. I don't even know.
dbizzles 01.03.17	Wait, okay, I understand it now.
AlexKzillion 01.03.17	"Well yeah. Do you think he's going to start over Bridgewater, and then not fuck it up midseason?" Oh lol. I kind of feel like they really fucked themselves here.
Maniac! 01.03.17	Teddy is younger with potential Bradford is proven not to single-handedly blow a game
kris. 01.03.17	jus poppin in to say fuck the raiders and fuck the broncos
Maniac! 01.03.17	go panthers :'( 14 years of disappointing me
kris. 01.03.17	i'll forever hate the panthers for making me watch them hand the broncos the lombardi
Satellite 01.03.17	sb51 lions 23 chiefs 21
kris. 01.03.17	i'd love to see the lions win it tbh but there's no way in hell they make it that far sry satts
teamster 01.03.17	How about Rodgers 400 rushing yards and 4 TDs....that gives him the edge over Ryan. Oh and the Falcons have a defensive player of the year candidate too. The Packers defense? Their best corner was bagging groceries before the season started, the strong safety plays more middle linebacker now, and the Packers defense as whole has the worst team speed I have ever seen. How they won 10 games is beyond me. Who wins more games without their respective starting quarterbacks? Subjective yes. But I would say Atlanta.
Satellite 01.03.17	idk i think my apt has a gas leak but i've got a good feeling about my prediction.
Satellite 01.03.17	i'd give everything i own to have rodgers break his leg
teamster 01.03.17	Mr Alex K - I got one for you ...little rumorville ...packers will cut Cobb and sign Alshon Jeffery. That would be fucking awesome.
AlexKzillion 01.03.17	While that would be a great idea, the Packers wouldn't sign him because of their strict "home grown" philosophy where they build their roster exclusively through the draft and hardly ever sign free agents (other then Julius Peppers for whatever reason) unless they reeaaaaaalllllyyyy need to (Christine Michael).
dbizzles 01.03.17	What's your problem with Denver and Oakland, Kris?
kris. 01.03.17	they exist
claygurnz 01.03.17	Damn Dallas got a tough road ahead
dbizzles 01.03.17	Oh, fair enough. Well, fuck whoever your team is : )
kris. 01.03.17	chiefs babyyyyy
teamster 01.03.17	MrAlexK - under the Thompson regime? Yes, He is a tight wad. Ted is moving to an executive position next year. I think the Pack hire Eliot Wolf - and for his first big move, his first stamp, he makes it happen. Well maybe not that specific one, but I think he will make a splash.
dbizzles 01.03.17	If it comes right down to it, I'll be rooting for the Chiefs over NE.
TheSpaceMan 01.03.17	i'd root for any team over fucking NE and i grew up in CT
kris. 01.03.17	i'm really hoping we have what it takes to bring down NE this year. this team looks so so so much more capable than last year. fuck the Pats
dbizzles 01.03.17	I'm a Utes fan, so I've always had a soft (hard?) spot for Alex Smith, but he keeps playing on teams I usually don't root for.
unclereich 01.03.17	The only worse quarterback situation in the playoffs besides oaklands is the texans, so im actually pretty confident the raiders can win one postseason game this year. Thanks tho Dom
unclereich 01.03.17	I have a soft spot for smith becaue he's the reason the chiefs wont win a superbowl as long as hes the starter
dbizzles 01.03.17	Haha burrrrrn.
kris. 01.03.17	cap'n checkdown is getting his ring this year he's the prince that was promised
DominionMM1 01.03.17	"The only worse quarterback situation in the playoffs besides oaklands is the texans, so im actually pretty confident the raiders can win one postseason game this year. Thanks tho Dom" they can beat houston but I don't love their chances simply because of the matchup. plus they did struggle against the osweiler-led texans earlier this year and that was with carr at qb.
dbizzles 01.03.17	Carr had a good game, but they were in Mexico, full of distractions and at a higher altitude than we usually play at. I get that Houston made the trip too, but we looked off the entire game. I don't know, we'll see what happens.
kris. 01.03.17	would be so cool if the Dolphins could pull off an upset and we got Oakland again at home
TheSpaceMan 01.03.17	dont laugh at the dolphins tbh i mean i def agree steelers are favored but u never know steelers love to forget how to play the sport and dolphins arent to scoff at anymore
TheSpaceMan 01.03.17	didnt they beat them early in the season and take out ben for a few games?
kris. 01.03.17	oh yea, i forgot about that neat!
AlexKzillion 01.03.17	"steelers love to forget how to play the sport" Most annoying thing about being a Steeler fan. Goddamn it makes me fucking angry when they do that.
TheSpaceMan 01.03.17	yeah i love the steelers, theyre so fucking good but damn do they love to leave their skill in the locker room
RogueNine 01.04.17	I really wanted to see Oakland go far. Poor Derek.
unclereich 01.04.17	3 wins to 7 wins to 12 wins from laughing stock to serious contenders. I honestly felt we were ahead of schedule sorta like the Cubs two seasons ago. Watch the raiders in the superbowl next year
AlexKzillion 01.04.17	There is absolutely no reason why the Steelers shouldn't beat the Dolphins. Said it during the preseason and I'll say it again, anything less then an AFC championship appearance for the Steelers is absolutely unacceptable. The AFC was weak af going into the season, and it's now probably the weakest AFC playoff bracket ever now that Derek Carr is out. Hate to put such heavy expectations on them but maaaaaannnn.
Maniac! 01.04.17	Steelers should have beat Denver last year
AlexKzillion 01.04.17	They would have if fucking Toussaint didn't fumble
GmemberKills 01.04.17	mike tomlin a cheer leader
someguest 01.04.17	The advertisers.
AlexKzillion 01.04.17	Mike McCarthy>>>>>Aaron Rodgers
NervousBreakdown 01.06.17	Janoris Jenkins is having an All Pro season. He will shut em down.
TheSpaceMan 01.06.17	Mike McCarthy>>>>>Aaron Rodgers Nope
Titan 01.06.17	haha no way....cmon alex
AlexKzillion 01.06.17	I was memeing with Gmember A few weeks ago Terry Bradshaw said Mike Tomlin is just a cheerleader, and also said that Mike McCarthy is 10x more valuable to the Packers then Aaron Rodgers. Surprised none of you guys seem to have heard about it, seemed like everyone was flinging shit at Bradshaw for a solid week.
TheSpaceMan 01.06.17	oh shit nah lol bold claims
AlexKzillion 01.06.17	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAF85SbrWBE I love Terry but dude is getting a little loco
TheSpaceMan 01.06.17	i mean don't get me wrong i like mccarthy a lot, i think we're lucky to have him... but its a useless thing to debate... why cut either??
AlexKzillion 01.06.17	Idk but it seemed like they were gonna run McCarthy out of town during the losing streak.
TheSpaceMan 01.06.17	a lot of ppl felt that way. a lot of packers fans are spoiled ngl. mccarthy has a great career. highest current post season streak rn. he's a bit too conservative sometimes but i think the pressure mid season you're talking about kinda jolted him a bit
AlexKzillion 01.06.17	Pretty similar to Steelers fans, except their hate for Tomlin is a little more justified imo
TheSpaceMan 01.06.17	barely justified if it even is. i like Tomlin. makes some risky calls but they usually pay off. everybody just wants a belichick
AlexKzillion 01.06.17	Since the 2011 season, he has only one playoff win and is below .500 against teams with a below .500 record while having a hof QB as well as arguably the best RB and WR in the league for most of that time span. I like Tomlin as well but both of those are pretty valid critisisms imo, even though injuries are what have really been setting them back more then anything.
TheSpaceMan 01.06.17	yeah very true that team is kitted af theres a point to be made as where else to blame
NervousBreakdown 01.06.17	McCarthy won't get the boot until a losing season, I betya
teamster 01.09.17	Still sticking with Pats vs Boys ... and I am a Packer fan
MalleusMaleficarum 01.09.17	"dolphins arent to scoff at anymore" uhhhh lol ok sure thing boss xD
Devastator 01.09.17	Dolphins fan hear and I gotta say I was pleasantly surprised we did this well. Of course people are gonna say we had a easy schedule blah blah but you cannot deny they have leagues better than they were in 2015/16.
TheSpaceMan 01.09.17	they woulda destroyed at least two of the other playoff teams
Devastator 01.09.17	If Tannehill can get more comfortable in Gases offense and the O-line can get consistently healthy and hopefully Vance Joseph does take the Denver job and we bring in Wade Philips for the D I'll be as hopeful as I've ever been for the future.
dbizzles 01.09.17	Raiders fan here, after all was said and done, I can't be too disappointed in my team. 14 years of not only no playoff appearances, but also no winning seasons. To turn that around and finish 12-4 in one of the most competitive divisions in the league this year is promising. Here's to wishing Car a nice recover and may the Patriots get knocked out of the playoffs quickly. Go Falcons or Cowboys or Chiefs, I guess.
TheSpaceMan 01.09.17	and packers! :D
dbizzles 01.09.17	I don't know. I think Atlanta or Pittsburgh could take them out. Maybe KC, but I think old Bill would outcoach them. If they meet up w/ ATL in the Super Bowl can't stop Matty Ice, I would bet they can't keep up in points scored.
AlexKzillion 01.09.17	Patriots will lose to the Texans you heard it from me first
dbizzles 01.09.17	I will be rooting for Houston to stop NE, but our relationship ends there.
DominionMM1 01.10.17	"you cannot deny they have leagues better than they were in 2015/16." the only noticeable difference between this year and last is their turnover differential due to them recovering a lot more fumbles than they did last season. in terms of total offense/defense and points for/against, they're roughly the same as last year. but I haven't watched a ton of phins games over the years so i can't say for sure.
TheSpaceMan 01.10.17	They're definitly better dude just from watching them play. Like i dont really track stats so im just going off how ive seen them in games I'm more of a casual football fan. Not really playoff team good but like I said they woulda beat Texans or the current Raiders if they played em imo, and probably woulda contested the lions. My whole mom's side are cuban/fl natives so they love the dolphins and I might be a bit biased
DominionMM1 01.10.17	I'm a total stat geek myself. I personally don't see the Dolphins doing much any time soon because I don't think tannehill is anything special at all, and their defense is still mediocre at best. They've gotten a lot better (or so it would seem) with their running game, so at least there's that.
AlexKzillion 01.10.17	2007: Tom Brady has the best season ever and wins MVP, Pats are heavily favored to beat the Giants and lose. 2009: Pats get blown out by a 9-7 Ravens team at home 2010: Pats go 14-2, Brady throws 36 TDs 4 Ints, wins MVP, still gets first rounded by Mark Sanchez while being heavily favored at home 2011: Pats once again lose to the 9-7 Giants after being heavily favored 2012: Pats get blown out by a 10-6 Ravens team at home 2015: In spite of being on the road, the Pats are heavily favored and lose to noodle arm Peyton Manning And once again, the Pats are heavily favored against the Texans, who have very similar traits to pretty much all the teams that I mentioned. Heavy underdogs with average to bad quarterback play but solid to great defenses. This just feels like deja vu to me. Still a good chance I'm wrong, but I find it crazy that I seem to be the only one who has really picked up on the Pat's habit to lose to these types of teams.
DominionMM1 01.10.17	out of curiousity, how many times did a heavily favored pats team destroy a shit offense/good defense opponent in the playoffs? 2011 divisional round comes to mind immediately.
AlexKzillion 01.10.17	Since 2007, that seems to be the only time, then again I don't remember the complexion of a lot of these teams that they've beaten, let alone annihilated like that Tebow team.
dbizzles 01.10.17	The prophecy has been foretold.
TheSpaceMan 01.10.17	God I fucking hope so
GmemberKills 01.10.17	yo the pats are heavily favored nearly all the time lol they can't win them all
GmemberKills 01.10.17	I will say i think the patriots defense is better than most of those past teams you mentioned
dbizzles 01.10.17	Maybe. I don't think they've played more than a couple good offenses all year though. AZ and Pittsburgh, I guess.
AlexKzillion 01.10.17	See, I think their numbers are inflated because of the teams they have faced. The only upper echelon quarterback they've faced all season is Russell Wilson and he put up one of his best stat lines of the year against them (and my man RW has been messed tf up by other defenses plenty of times this year), along with giving Brady his only loss of the whole season so far. And they faced the Steelers with Landry Jones at QB and the Steelers only managed to lose by 11. If it comes down to Pats/Steelers, I'm confident Ben, Juice, and AB can tear that defense apart.
dbizzles 01.10.17	Yeah, seriously their schedule ended up being pretty weak overall. The division sucks other than flashes from Miami and, to a lesser extent, Buffalo.
RogueNine 01.10.17	I just wanna see the Chiefs or Steelers come out of the AFC. My gosh that would be great. More so Chiefs, considering it's been longer.
unclereich 01.10.17	Dont worry they wont
RogueNine 01.10.17	I'd love to find out.

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