Scheumke
08.07.23 | I'll add the areas and bosses to the list as I encouter them. Tried looking up a list but it seems all over the place in terms of progress routes and what are actually full areas and what aren't. Could never get myself to push through the beginning of DS2 but I'm commited now and will finish it. It's a silly gap in my fromsoft runs:
Demon's Souls (remake): 1 full playthrough
Dark Souls + DLC: 1 full playthrough
Dark Souls II: 0
Bloodborne: 3 full playthroughs, 2 with DLC (platinum)
Dark Souls III: 3 full playthroughs, 1 with DLC
Sekiro: 2 full playthroughs, one into ng+ to get all the missable bosses (platinum)
Elden Ring: 2 full playthroughs (platinum) |
Prancer
08.07.23 | ds2 isn't as bad as everyone says, but it is definitely the weakest souls game. the DLC is actually pretty good. pretty much all of the memorable moments from ds2 came from the DLC for me. have fun with the buggy hitboxes though, and not having i-frames when traversing fog doors. |
BaselineOOO
08.07.23 | https://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls2/mods/1146
Install this mod, it will improve the graphics immensely without affecting performance, if you play the game on Windows. |
pizzamachine
08.07.23 | I’m playing the game for the second time, the first time I didn’t get far. I just got to Black Gulch omgggg so frustrating |
Scheumke
08.07.23 | I'm playing on ps5 Base so no luck there haha. |
BaselineOOO
08.07.23 | https://i.imgur.com/oaY1pq2.jpg |
pizzamachine
08.07.23 | Lolll |
auberginedreams
08.07.23 | Remember to level ADP |
beefshoes
08.07.23 | Mid to late game DS2 is peak Dark Souls. |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | Love the beginning area and hub of ds2 |
Trebor.
08.07.23 | Prepare for a lot of bullshit |
pizzamachine
08.07.23 | [2]
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PotsyTater
08.07.23 | No skill issues no problem |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.07.23 | Huntsman's Copse thru to the start of Earthen Peak is a bleak stretch of game, as is the forest [*not* of fallen giants] area, but otherwise no bs lfg yes yes |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | Huntsman’s copse rules forest if fallen giants rules |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | What’s your problem with forest |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | Earthen peak is way worse than either of those areas |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.07.23 | forest of fallen giants rules
the shaded woods (that's the name!) area absolutely does not. earthen peak in the og was kinda eh, but SotS turns the pressure way up and I like that version a lot. Huntsman's Copse has a few good bits but the open layout is mid and full of directionless pockets |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | I love shaded woods |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | Except for the one part with the invisible guys lol |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | But like you can literally just run through that area, only point of actually fighting those dudes is if you are trying to get every item. I usually just run to armour head guy and then dash to the end of the area |
Shemson
08.07.23 | Good timing! I’m also on my first DS2 run having done Elden Ring, DS3 and DS1 (I also bitched out on Sekiro but we don’t talk about that)
So far I’m up to the entrance to Iron Keep and have been really enjoying it. The bosses are lame though and have given me no drama apart from Ruin Sentinals took four attempts and that snake queen took three.
Great game so far though, like the subtle changes so far, just disappointed in bosses but still only about half way so hopefully that’ll change |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | Ds2 has the weakest bosses of the three over all but there are still some excellent ones to look foreword to, especially in the dlc. Be prepared to be absolutely slaughtered by sir alonne like 30 times. |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | The map makes up for the weaker bosses tho, much better than ds3 in that regard which has the opposite problem of a shit load of excellent bosses and not a memorable area in sight |
CaliggyJack
08.07.23 | Good luck! Favorite areas for me are Eleum Loyce, King Vendricks Castle, and Iron Keep. |
Shemson
08.07.23 | Yeah couldn’t agree more on ds3 pots - best bosses in any game ever but areas are underwhelming especially now I’ve played ds1
I’ll look forward to sir alonne then thanks!
Not sure when I’ll get to play next but Iron Keep has a reputation and the outside looks hellish so am excited! |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | I’ve played ds3 three times in full and whenever I try to think of any areas beyond the lead up to fire link shrine I have to flex my brain for like a solid 3 minutes to conjure up memories. Such a homogenous slog. Ds2 areas are super memorable, for better or worse, but even the notorious areas I remember vividly and fondly. For instance, the area leading up to demon of song is a bit notorious, but it’s also beautiful af. |
Koris
08.07.23 | DS2 was my introduction to the entire soulsborne series, so it's always gonna have a special place in my heart. But yeah, like many people said above, the DLC has many of the best moments in the game imo |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.07.23 | DS3 good levels um um um:
- Cathedral of the Deep is kinda cool
- Ringed City offc
- Dungeon level definite highlight
- Grand Archives also p cool
- Irithyll is cute
- is that it |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | DLC has many of the best moments of all the souls games to be fair |
Koris
08.07.23 | Funny enough though, DS2 wasn't my introduction to From Software in general. Because that would be Armored Core :] |
PotsyTater
08.07.23 | Oh yeah I saw that that’s what they are working on next, how is that series? |
Koris
08.07.23 | It's always been one of my favorite series, but it's definitely not for everyone. It's kinda like the mech version of Gran Turismo, in the sense that it focuses a lot more on customization and trial-and-error than your average arcade-style mecha game. But that's exactly why I love it so much... you have to pay attention to every facet of your mech, even down to getting the right booster, generator, radiator, etc. Stuff like that really affects the outcome of each mission, and I find it rewarding
The more modern AC games are a lot more fast-paced though, and don't require quite as much diligence |
Scheumke
08.08.23 | Had to start over yesterday evening. My gf pretty much claimed the TV for the foreseeable future playing Tears of the Kingdom so I figured I'd get DS2 on my pc for a couple of bucks. Used the lighting mod and damn it's a lot prettier, though very dark. Almost done with the forest, continuing tonight. |
Scheumke
08.08.23 | Also I need a little advice: how good is it pumping points into adaptability early on to get some more iframes? |
Dewinged
08.08.23 | The castle onwards is peak Souls [2]. The DLC for this also has some of Fromsoft best bosses. Weird, but it's still my favorite Fromsoft game and most of the blame goes to Majula and the Faraam Knight set. |
Shemson
08.08.23 | I had heard about the iframes complaint but honestly I’ve maybe added two levels to my starting class (I can’t remember what it was now) and I think I’m level 12 and I’m absolutely fine rolling away from bosses, I found need for stamina a lot more important |
Scheumke
08.08.23 | Got a little further tonight. Only had about a good hour to play since I almost killed my laptop cleaning it but all's good now and actually managed to do two bosses and a level so hey, slow and steady progres. Won't have time to play tomorrow or thursday I'm afraid so here's to friday! |
Gyromania
08.08.23 | enjoy the forest of the fallen giants, drangleic castle, no man's wharf (maybe?), brume tower, shulva sanctum city, frozen eleum loyce, and iron keep. those are probably the only actually well designed areas in the game. you have at least like 5 or 6 good bosses too |
PotsyTater
08.08.23 | @shem iframes complaint is just something souls purists with skill issues use as an excuse to justify their hive minded ds2 hatred, if you aren’t having problems then no need to level. Level when you need it |
pizzamachine
08.08.23 | Levelled up my ADP to tackle Sentinel Guards wish me luck…. |
Gyromania
08.08.23 | Nah the iframe complaint comes from a valid place of criticism. When you balance your enemies’ hitboxes around what one of your stats is that’s just bad game dev, because if you choose to not level adaptability you’re stuck with some of the worst invincibility frames in any third person rpg ever, but if you level it up to like 30 or 40, you have the most broken iframe roll in fromsoft history. I mean how do you balance enemies and bosses around something like that? You don’t. If you want it to still be a challenge but not either total bs or an absolute cakewalk, I’d suggest maybe meeting somewhere in the middle, but you’ll still be faced with all kinds of jank hitboxes, and areas like: shrine of amana, consecrated snowfield, iron pass, and a few others are so ridiculously dogshit that you’re prob gonna want as many iframes as possible |
PotsyTater
08.08.23 | Skill issue |
Dewinged
08.08.23 | Shield issue |
PotsyTater
08.08.23 | Have you literally tried lifting your shield bozo |
pizzamachine
08.08.23 | Whtas that |
Dewinged
08.08.23 | Pots have you ever tried a parry or die run? |
Gyromania
08.09.23 | Shields are for pussies |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Yeah well if you lack the skills to simply roll through enemies attacks maybe that’s the least of your worries |
Dewinged
08.09.23 | Yeah, true men parry with their dick. |
Gyromania
08.09.23 | Lack the adaptability to simply roll through enemies attacks * |
pizzamachine
08.09.23 | Shields are for pussies [2] |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.09.23 | No shield or shield only |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | If you can’t roll through any attack in ds2 or simply strafe out of the way you’re legit garbage at dark souls sorry cope |
Gyromania
08.09.23 | Lol dude I literally just got done explaining that player skill doesn’t factor into it that much. I have a video of me dodge rolling the rotten’s attacks with adaptability at 50. I should very blatantly be getting hit by some of his moves but nooope. Another video I saved where I had 9 adaptability, a lot of his easiest attacks would still clip me in the final few frames of his swing animations |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Literally just step out of the way bozo |
Gyromania
08.09.23 | Looool I mean you can just slow play and poke bosses I guess but that’s pretty lame |
pizzamachine
08.09.23 | I just run behind bosses wait until they’re done attacking and attack em. Works erry time |
Dewinged
08.09.23 | I Tarkus everything. |
BaselineOOO
08.09.23 | I finished DS2 with rolling only at 10 ADP without once getting damage from broken hitboxes. I'm beginning to believe that people just suck at DS2 tbh. |
pizzamachine
08.09.23 | Big if true |
Scheumke
08.09.23 | I'll keep you posted on how it goes without extra ADP. Intending not to level that unless I'm getting really stuck because of some broken hitboxes. Tbh I don't care if I play the 'right' way, I'm going to use the options the game gives me and for now that's a shield and sword. Still need to balance blocking with recharging my stamina anyway and that's quite a nice little minigame to keep track of during bossfights. |
BaselineOOO
08.09.23 | Very well, bearer of the curse. Seek the light within, and may it illuminate the road you tread. I shall watch over you, guiding you through the shadows that obscure your way. |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | “ finished DS2 with rolling only at 10 ADP without once getting damage from broken hitboxes. I'm beginning to believe that people just suck at DS2 tbh”
Fuckin [2]
Purists will write 40 paragraphs tryna rationalize why they suck so bad when at the end of the day they just suck |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | That will likely be the first and last time me and Vaseline ever agree on anything |
BaselineOOO
08.09.23 | Also, they complain about mobs in the Souls game with most aoe spells and miracles, and quite effective powerstancing. If you dual wield halberts, spears or greatswords you're pretty much unstoppable. |
Gyromania
08.09.23 | "Purists will write 40 paragraphs tryna rationalize why they suck so bad when at the end of the day they just suck"
1v1 me |
Gyromania
08.09.23 | actually, both of you 2v1 me at the same time |
pizzamachine
08.09.23 | So far the game is pretty EZ lols haters gonna hate |
Trebor.
08.09.23 | my main issue with DS2 is that it's way too fucking long. I just lose interest around when I get to the fourth of the first series of main bosses
DS3 on the other hand is too fucking short |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | “ Also, they complain about mobs in the Souls game with most aoe spells and miracles, and quite effective powerstancing. If you dual wield halberts, spears or greatswords you're pretty much unstoppable.”
💯💯💯💯💯 |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | “I’m good guys I swear” - guy who sucks ass at ds2 and can’t literally just roll under attacks |
MeatSalad
08.09.23 | There are wonky hitboxes/splash damage in all fromsoft games. My only real gripe with DS2 is the boss fights were all unmemorable and far too easy outside of a couple DLC fights |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Gyro I could pvp you soul level 1 with one hand and you would not be able to touch me because I’d simply avoid your attacks by rolling |
Ryus
08.09.23 | pvp dark souls sounds terrible why does that exist |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Wow not only has ryus not done the ds1 dlc but he has never even been invaded by a player
Rivaling gyro for beta souls player status |
Ryus
08.09.23 | i played offline because that shit seemed dumb |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Homie did you play offline |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Holy fuck… |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Wow I’m shaking |
pizzamachine
08.09.23 | I’ve been using an upgraded Bandit Axe the entire time, haven’t needed to double wield yet |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | I think I’m gonna be sick |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.09.23 | SOTFS stuffing the game with so many NPC invasions that it doesn't matter a fuck whether or not you play offline is one of its more underrated based qualities |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | If you played dark souls offline you haven’t played dark souls sorry |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Like that literally means you don’t even understand 90% of dark souls memes |
PotsyTater
08.09.23 | Gyro we are cool now ryus is new souls bozo |
pizzamachine
08.09.23 | Praise the sun! |
Gyromania
08.10.23 | Balance has been restored |
pizzamachine
08.10.23 | The Skeleton Lords are a buncha pushover easy bitches |
Gyromania
08.10.23 | They’re just an infinitely worse shadows of yharnam |
PotsyTater
08.10.23 | That’s an insult to the shadows of yharnam to even put them in the same category
Also fuck those skeleton wheels holy fuck most annoying enemy in fromsoft history |
pizzamachine
08.10.23 | Lol true |
Dewinged
08.10.23 | on that we can agree.
along with dogs. |
pizzamachine
08.10.23 | The Covetous Demon is easy peasy |
Scheumke
08.11.23 | Have had crazy little time to play but got a little bit further nontheless. Still good so far, couple of the enemy packs are annoying but nothing too atrocious. No Man's Wharf is not my favorite but I actually really like the idea of it. |
PotsyTater
08.11.23 | I hated no man’s wharf first play through but I’ve loved it ever since |
pizzamachine
08.11.23 | The snake lady was easier than expected |
Veldin
08.12.23 | Put every level into ADP ;) |
PotsyTater
08.12.23 | Did you drain the poison pizza? |
Veldin
08.12.23 | I prefer DS2 over Demons Souls |
pizzamachine
08.12.23 | I drained the poison |
PotsyTater
08.12.23 | Is harder when you did not draining the poison |
pizzamachine
08.12.23 | But dat dum |
PotsyTater
08.12.23 | There are a couple bosses like that with missable boss adjustments. I think it’s kinda cool. With the first dragon rider if you miss the switches on the way to him you have to fight him on a much smaller platform where you can fall off the sides. Then I think it’s the lost sinner or something like that whomst there is a missable way to lower lanterns into the boss arena so you have to fight them in the dark. |
pizzamachine
08.12.23 | I fought the dude in the dark and owned him cuz I’m dark souls 2 master |
PotsyTater
08.12.23 | I bet you rolled through all his attacks with ease because you are not gyro and shit at ds2 |
pizzamachine
08.12.23 | I did actually. It also helped having a ghost helper |
Veldin
08.12.23 | For the record, Lost Sinner is female. Fun fact, when you beat her on NG+, she drops Old Witch Soul, tying her to Witch of Izalith. @OP- you should keep updating this thread as you go! |
PotsyTater
08.12.23 | Haha I actually had some vague lore memories of lost sinner being female and that’s why I initially said “them” and not “him” but didn’t know if I was thinking of someone else
Either way, they can get it amirite? |
pizzamachine
08.12.23 | ( ͡👁️ ͜ʖ ͡👁️) |
BaselineOOO
08.12.23 | I'm starting to warm up to potsy, help. |
Veldin
08.12.23 | She’s done some sinning in her day AYO |
pizzamachine
08.12.23 | The Emerald Herald though 🤤 |
Scheumke
08.12.23 | @Veldin definitely will!
Yeah I didn't hate No Mans Wharf at all. It's the first "Ganky" area but that's just trial and error and dying a couple of times until you know the enemy placement. It makes for a Groundhogday-esque experience that I actually quite enjoy. As long as I don't get stuck on the same pack over and over again I don't get frustrated by it. |
PotsyTater
08.12.23 | Exactly that. It really tests your reflexes to carelessly trudge on. Dying there is near exclusively the fault of recklessness and impatience once you know where errbody at |
Scheumke
08.12.23 | It also helps that the areas are not particularly large with good shortcuts. If you'd have to grind through ten minutes of mobslaying to get one enemy further every time it'd get tedious (pantheon of hollownest in Hollow Knight comes to mind). This is absolutely fine though and I can quite get behind the design of it.
The one thing I'm not sure how to feel about yet is the health diminishing mechanic every time you die. Feels counter intuitive to that design philosophy. I guess it will depend on the amount of human effigies you will find. |
PotsyTater
08.12.23 | Yeah I like that you open several shortcuts along the way, it makes progress meaningful even if you die in there a bunch.
You end up with wayyyyyyy more effigies than you will ever need if you aren’t popping em like candy. Use em when you need em but don’t feel like you have to preserve them |
Veldin
08.12.23 | There’s a ring, can’t remember the name, that reduces HP reduction that I pretty much keep on all game |
Gyromania
08.12.23 | Yeah you’ll find effigies in ample supply. Same with lifegems. You’ll stock up on a ton of lifegems naturally throughout the game and they basically grant you infinite healing and trivialize the strategic use of your estus flask. In many situations, radiant life gems are better to use than estus healing. In nearly every boss encounter when you take damage you want to spam pop a bunch of life gems preferably over healing, since they heal over time and they stack iirc. Another terrible system in the game I totally spaced on when criticizing it earlier. Ofc they are optionally so you don’t have to cheese the game with them, but I think it’s prob what most people do naturally lol |
Veldin
08.12.23 | Yeah there’s a merchant you can get in Majula that sells life gems, and I’d use any left over souls I had after leveling to buy and I’d constantly have 99. I never claimed to be a hardcore Souls player lol |
Shemson
08.12.23 | The point in lighting the thing in No Mans Wharf is that it makes the crazy monkey spider things stay indoors because they’re afraid of the light for some reason
The boss in no man’s wharf was lame and easy but the one after if you take the ship to the prison area was the first hard boss for me |
Shemson
08.12.23 | I was so busy this week I only played for an hour - three NPC invasions at the start of Iron Keep was fun but I did very little else, no new bosses after the snake witch thing
Also agreed covetous demon was weak af but the area before it was hardcore |
zaruyache
08.12.23 | gank squads is the name of the game. |
Gyromania
08.12.23 | Gank Souls Scholar of the First Gank |
Shemson
08.13.23 | Just did the Iron Keep defeating the smelter demon and iron king
That was a challenge! Don’t think it’s worth quite the reputation it has as unfair or whatever though, it was just really hard |
Scheumke
08.13.23 | Just tried to finish No Man's Wharf. Died about 5 times from literally not seeing a single thing, logged back out again. Apparently the area is only playable at night lol. Just a little bit of light outside with brightness up at max on both the game and my pc and still couldn't see anything whatsoever. I'll try that later I guess lol |
Demon of the Fall
08.13.23 | This is a music website |
PotsyTater
08.13.23 | One million life gems and gyro still cant survive a simple boss fight in dark souls 2 |
PotsyTater
08.13.23 | Iron keep slaps |
Scheumke
08.13.23 | The music in DS2 is pretty good too yeah |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.13.23 | The only DS2 boss fight I've ever found lifegems to be practical in is Smelter Demon. Everything else is either so easy that there's no need or so difficult that the boss can 1- or 2-shot you before they take effect
Actually, Ruin Sentinels are a minor exception - easy to sink a lot of heals into that fight very quickly, but the reprieves are there for lifegems |
PotsyTater
08.13.23 | Just wait til u get to fight b l u e s m e l t e r D e m o n |
Gyromania
08.13.23 | pft potsy i've done naked runs in this game with a broken sword haha. for the general playerbase though (pretty sure MOST people suck at DS2, and newcomers will be put off since it controls like such dogshit compared to other fromsoft games), yes, lifegems are a great resource. they make it so you never have to worry about straying too far from a bonfire and in quite a few bosses if you just keep spam consuming them yes, they are more valuable than estus imo.
Iron keep is prob the best base game level in DS2. Either that or Drangleic castle. both contain pretty disappointing bosses, but the level design (and esp pvp in iron keep) is up there with the best of fromsoft |
pizzamachine
08.13.23 | “The only DS2 boss fight I've ever found lifegems to be practical in is Smelter Demon”
So far is true |
BaselineOOO
08.13.23 | Please update the list I'm so curious on how's the journey going for ya. |
Gyromania
08.13.23 | And pls also tell us how stupid it is that earthen peak transitions into the iron keep by going up a long elevator |
BaselineOOO
08.13.23 | Literally who cares? |
Gyromania
08.13.23 | People with a prefrontal cortex? |
PotsyTater
08.13.23 | I remember snoxall whinging about exactly that |
PotsyTater
08.13.23 | Which of course instantly invalidates the prefrontal cortex claims |
Shemson
08.13.23 | lol if you thought no man’s wharf was bad for visibility enjoy the shaded woods I just went through 🤣
I didn’t die but it was a pain in the arse
Respect to the random decapitated head I had a chat to though! |
PotsyTater
08.13.23 | Clearing the enemies out of that area is a nightmare lol |
Scheumke
08.13.23 | Oki so I found that playing it on the ps5 is far superior to playing on my pc, so I spend the evening playing through second half of Forest of Fallen Giants, Heide's Tower and No Man's Wharf again. Good thing about it is that I got really good at No Man's Wharf, only dying once because my weapon broke and I had no proper backup yet.
Did manage to kill flexile sentry which was fun and now I can continue on my yourney with Lost Bastille.
I'm going slow because of lack of time and doubling everything up to this point but count me thouroughly addicted again. |
Gyromania
08.13.23 | The shaded woods is a nothing area, super easy to get through once you know where you’re going.
Lol pots you have to admit tho the world layout could have been better thought out. I mean the iron keep is maybe my favourite level, like I said, but the transition to it is pretty stupid regardless |
PotsyTater
08.13.23 | I really like the world layout of 2 but it’s certainly a bit more disjointed in flow compared to ds1 |
Shemson
08.13.23 | Haha I died the exact same way with my weapon breaking in no man’s wharf - I was using an UGS from those big lads in the area before - what are you using?
I moved on to using Pursuer Greatsword after I found the guy in bastille who can turn special souls into weapons |
Scheumke
08.14.23 | Updated. Haven't done the boss in Lost Bastile yet but it's about the only thing I've left to do I think. So far the game has an undeserved bad rep, I don't enjoy it less than ds1 so far and certainly more than Demon's Souls, but I guess I'll get there with the more attrocious areas still coming. Good stuff all around so far though!
Also thought it'd be fun to add the death count for each boss. None yet but I consider myself pretty mediocre at these games so it'll come lol |
Gyromania
08.14.23 | the boss in the lost bastille is one of the best and hardest in the core game.
you got the name wrong for old dragonslayer btw lol |
Scheumke
08.14.23 | Haha I'm an idiot. Edited |
PotsyTater
08.14.23 | Based takes scheumke
I can’t wait for you to get to bligh2own |
Shemson
08.15.23 | I just killed the rotten, good fight and then found this awesome area behind him which teleported me to a cool room but the main door is locked…
Guess I don’t have the right 🤷🏻♂️ |
Shemson
08.15.23 | I didn’t think the gutter was bad at all tbh but the black gulch was annoying
Found cool spooky wheelchair guy for a second time though so that’s interesting, looking forward to finding out what he’s all about |
pizzamachine
08.15.23 | Old Iron King is a weak hoe apparently |
Gyromania
08.15.23 | The gutter is just visually very uninteresting, and not particularly enjoyable to traverse. There was a scrapped concept for the gutter which sounds infinitely better than what we got. https://youtu.be/t_YcEvpAafE |
protokute
08.15.23 | yeah i hated the gutter |
Shemson
08.15.23 | Interesting! I’ll check out the vid tomorrow.
It did feel a bit ‘unfinished’ but I liked it more than tomb of giants which was just way too dark. It was like a very mild middle between tomb of giants and blight town. I had read it was really hard but I only died once when the lads down the ladder jumped me at the bottom, was about six of them unexpectedly! |
pizzamachine
08.15.23 | Fuck the gutter |
Gyromania
08.15.23 | Blight town is actually a great level imo. The gutter is mid, def not terrible and certainly better than tomb of the giants but that’s a very low bar |
PotsyTater
08.15.23 | The gutter slaps imo, love the verticality of it, but it’s true that what was left in the cutting room floor is unfortunate. Also love gulch.
Tho first play through I hated both those areas |
PotsyTater
08.15.23 | Also disagree about gutter being visually uninteresting, I love the way the walls seemingly ooze and flow when you light a fire near them, and the way the area progressively illuminates as you light the sconces is great, very cool trail of breadcrumbs through all the ramshackle scaffolding and decayed bridges. |
PotsyTater
08.15.23 | It’s just got a unique atmosphere to it that I appreciate, same with gulch |
pizzamachine
08.15.23 | True dat the game is tres cool |
PotsyTater
08.15.23 | Quatro even |
Dewinged
08.16.23 | the feeling when you learn to parry the Pursuer aaaah...
I have a soft spot for the Gutter + the Gulch stretch. I reached the Gulch at 7 in the morning after playing for 24 hours straight. This was soon after release so no one knew what to expect. That green hue of the gulch combined with sleep deprivation made it look like I was half hallucinating lol
Edit: lol i wrote depravation instead of deprivation, damn you English language and your grammar traps! |
pizzamachine
08.16.23 | Hah I know right |
BaselineOOO
08.16.23 | The first time I ventured into the Gutter, I found myself thinking "I wish other Dark Souls games had areas like this". While areas like Blighttown had visible walls and ground, the Gutter lacked those clear visual cues, there was no clear sense of direction, just darkness and scary noises. I fucking adore it! |
Dewinged
08.16.23 | And the fact that it all starts from dropping down a fucking hole in Majula is just brilliant. |
Shemson
08.16.23 | Hahaha I don’t want to spoil it but the unexpected thing that happens after killing the Duke’s Dear Freja is amazing |
Shemson
08.16.23 | Yoooo the fucking glass knight battle was sick! Lost it when he put his shield down and *no spoilers*
This game is actually awesome, fuck the haters |
PotsyTater
08.16.23 | Congtats, you have reached the run of good bosses |
Shemson
08.16.23 | Mate I’ve hit a wall on that frog bastard
I’ve smashed everything pretty much first time and this giant frog with his annoying gauntlet of casters before him has got me six times in a row 🤣 |
Shemson
08.16.23 | I just followed my own best advice for any fromsoft when you get stuck - walk away for a bit
I had some dinner, went gym, had a shower, came back and boom - first time that froggy punk |
Scheumke
08.16.23 | And that's how you do it! Gj bro. I managed to finally get an uninterrupted evening of gaming in and got quite some good progress. Did the rest of Lost Bastille, Belfry Luna, Sinners Rise and Huntman's Copse. Next a little backtracking for Undead Purgatory and then off to Harvest Valley.
Also had my first death on a boss woooo
I'll update the list tomorrow |
Devastator
08.16.23 | Baller of the First Sin. |
Dewinged
08.16.23 | Shemson gets it, and damn Scheumke that's good progress! |
PotsyTater
08.16.23 | Siren of song has always been one of the easiest ds2 bosses for me so I don’t really know how to help
That’s something I love about these games tho, there’s so many ways to build and play that everyone faces different hurdles |
MeatSalad
08.16.23 | Semen of dong is fairly simple, just annoying and takes some patience with its defensive thing it does. But it sounds like shemson figured it out |
MeatSalad
08.16.23 | That watery area leading up to it tho, absolute fucking nightmare in Scholar. Probably the hardest bit in the entire game for me |
PotsyTater
08.16.23 | Just stab it in the hand |
PotsyTater
08.16.23 | The area leading up to it is a pain but also so beautiful and prob my fav area in the game despite everything |
Dewinged
08.16.23 | That Shrine of Amana music lives in my head rent free, forever. |
Gyromania
08.17.23 | The only reason shrine of amana isn’t the worst area in the game is because frozen outskirts exists. It could have been a good area if they actually put decent enemies in it, and maybe expanded it a little. The demon of song is a pretty underwhelming boss too. I think it’s cool visually and I like its arena tho |
Dewinged
08.17.23 | the "boss" in the outskirts is the ultimate Miyazaki trolling lol |
PotsyTater
08.17.23 | Yeah shrine of amana is sick as fuck dope music great atmosphere only people that can’t dodge hate it |
Dewinged
08.17.23 | For real, first time I got there it was so surreal and nice, hearing that soothing chanting and seeing those creatures being all chill and then ooooooooops, down the water you go YOU DED BRO. |
Dewinged
08.17.23 | I'm sorry Scheumke we're spoiling the whole thing lol |
DocSportello
08.17.23 | did not expect to enjoy the new Emil Amos album as much as I did. would play ds2 to it fs |
Dewinged
08.17.23 | Yeah it's great, I would had shoutboxed Pots about it cause he likes lilacs and champagne but alas, no shoutbox. You read me Potsy? |
Scheumke
08.17.23 | Don't worry about spoilers, hearing about it and playing it are so different with these games for me that it doesn't matter. |
Dewinged
08.17.23 | Amen! |
BaselineOOO
08.17.23 | I don't get the reason people hate Frozen Outskirts. It's optional and unique, a good challenge, it's highly memorable for how annoying it is, just like a real life blizzard with killer r********s? Shrina of Amana is a legit awesome area compared to other large "empty" areas from DS1 or DS3, for example, you just have to approach it with patience and respect.
The more I talk about this game, the more I love it. It's a top 3 Dark Souls release, no wonder it exploded in popularity lately. |
Scheumke
08.17.23 | Updated with my experiences. No time to play tonight and I might not be able to continue until Sunday. So far still so good, good game is good. |
PotsyTater
08.17.23 | Agreed EASILY a top 3 dark souls release |
PotsyTater
08.17.23 | Also roger that dewi |
pizzamachine
08.17.23 | Your mom is a top 3 dark souls release |
WatchItExplode
08.17.23 | So nice to see this game getting love. Huntsman's copse got that Halloween feel FRFR |
Shemson
08.17.23 | Just reached Dragon Shrine, wow the end game areas are difficult!
Surprised people go on about Iron Keep so much because everything from Shrine of Amana onwards is carnage!
I had to google how to get to the Guardian Dragon which was annoying, I can see the complaint about there being too much annoying backtracking in the game but honestly it’s such a wild ride it’s worth it |
PotsyTater
08.17.23 | Wait til you get to dlc |
WatchItExplode
08.17.23 | JFC I just had a Brume Tower flashback |
MeatSalad
08.18.23 | Fume knight makes me fume knut |
Shemson
08.18.23 | Just killed Ancient Dragon and my sense of achievement is almost as big as first time I killed Malenia (first fromsoft game) |
BaselineOOO
08.18.23 | Although many DS2 bosses might come across as mechanically uneventful, their remarkable presence and staging effectively convey the intended story. It's like they possess a reverie quality to them that makes them truly memorable. I can say the same thing about other elements of the game. It's something Gyromania will never understand! |
Shemson
08.18.23 | That’s a really good shout
I just did Vendrick and whilst his move set was devastating but very slow and telegraphed, the atmosphere (that slow piano cadence) was incredible and the lore behind why he is how he is (I googled it) made the whole thing really moving |
PotsyTater
08.18.23 | Damn straight |
climactic
08.18.23 | should i play DeS (remaster) or DS2 next? ive played ds1, ds3, Bb, elden, Sekiro |
PotsyTater
08.18.23 | Ds2 |
MeatSalad
08.18.23 | Haven't played DeS yet but what I've seen of it looks less enjoyable than DS2 |
Scheumke
08.18.23 | Yeah I played DeS remaster and am now playing ds2 (really?) But so far ds2 is the more enjoyable one for me. It feel more fleshed out and comperatively I feel like I could do another runthrough of DeS in about 10 hours top to bottom |
MeatSalad
08.18.23 | DS2 do be kinda thicc. I think the only from game with a longer avg playthrough time is elden ring |
Shemson
08.18.23 | Completely main storyline today - amazing. So good, can see why ER was referred to as DS2-2 by those who know.
I can see why in a world where a quick google didn’t exist the game would’ve been very annoying at the end as I looked up three things before completion
Played first dlc for 3 hours after and am at Sinh the pissed off dragon. 1st dlc has also been excellent so far |
Scheumke
08.18.23 | Had some time and continued through Undead Purgatory, Harvest Valley and Earthen peak. The difficulty is slowly ramping up but nothing too attrocious. Will update with all my findings tomorrow. |
PotsyTater
08.18.23 | All this ds2 positivity makes me very happy, ds2 haters are so low vibrational |
PotsyTater
08.18.23 | You simply need to vibrate at a much higher frequency to phase through those iframes |
MillionDead
08.18.23 | I've played every soulborne game except for DS2 and Demon Souls. Hoping to rectify that at some point. |
Scheumke
08.19.23 | Updated again, hope to continue my journey tomorrow :) |
Scheumke
08.21.23 | Made some progress again. Still enjoying the heck out lf this game. |
Shemson
08.21.23 | I just killed the fume knight and now I feel I have truly got gud across all the souls and Elden Ring!!!!! |
Scheumke
08.22.23 | Nice man! Once I get rolling I feel I'm stamping through the game at a breakneck pace. Still have a ways to go but only 17 hours in and that's pretty fast I think for the point I'm at.
Now that I'm through the "terrible" areas I'm starting to love the game more and more, since I don't find them very bad at all. |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | I'm happy I didn't get stuck on Freya because that runback was terrible. Died once in the room before the boss and it took a good five minutes to get back. Cool fight tho. Drangleic Castle next! |
Dewinged
08.24.23 | Now the game begins. |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | Nice, can't wait. I did hear that the last areas and especially the DLC's are the best parts of the game so very curious to see what's coming :D |
Shemson
08.24.23 | Prowling Magus and the Congregation sounds like a funk/gospel crossover band and I’m here for that
You’re doing very well with minimal deaths Scheumke - are you using any guides or anything? |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | I have a very basic written guide that I scan for each area just so I don't miss any important npc questlines or items (estus shards, sublime bone dust, those kinds of things), but that's basically it. I try to shy away from bosstactics or full walkthroughs and I always only do written guides (if any at all) so I don't get spoiled by visuals.
I do tend to die a couple of times during each level, but the bosses so far have a playstyle that suits me well. Something like Freya can't hold a candle in difficulty to bosses like Mydir, Grand Shinobi Owl, Martyr Logarius and those are not even the hardest bosses in their game. |
Shemson
08.24.23 | Ah got it! I thought your deaths were for the area and was very surprised!
Yeah I rarely died to bosses until I got to the stupid frog bastard but I died a lot from random enemy groups, especially in wharf |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | Haha that would've been me styling on the game and I'm sad to say I'm not that good. I think for the bigger levels I die about 2/3/4 times on average per level not counting the bosses. No Man's Wharf was by far the hardest level so far for me indeed. |
PotsyTater
08.24.23 | @schmeuke yeah the area leading up to Freya is the real worst of the game contender |
PotsyTater
08.24.23 | Still cool design tho |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.24.23 | can you beat a spider?
CAN YOU?
how about this one?
can you beat it?
can you dodge it?
nice how bout this one?
and this one?
and this one?
and woah can you drop down to take on
this one?
here's one more huh
woah nice you did it
here's a spider boss and a load more spiders gj |
PotsyTater
08.24.23 | Step 1 : fire |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | Didnt even use fire. Berserker's Ultra Greatsword sword swipes ftw |
WatchItExplode
08.24.23 | Descending down to the boss on a network of webs is pretty cool and fairly unique for from soft design though |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | Yeah it was the best part of the level for me, rest of the areas was a bit bland though |
PotsyTater
08.24.23 | They are scurred of fire and get real fucked up |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | Holy fuck Shrine of Amana is bullshit. The first area thats making me salty as fuck not because I die alot, but because the design is absolutely horrendous and the difficulty super arbitrary. The looks are cool though |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.24.23 | have you tried looking at where your feet are |
pizzamachine
08.24.23 | Beat Dear Freja, now where to go lol |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | Im not dying due to falling in the water thats not a problem. The enemies though holy shit. The mages agro from halfway across the area, I get invaded halfway through consistently by mages that nearly oneshot me. Wtf is this level lol. That Diddarus invader in particular I have more trouble with than any of the bosses so far.
@pizza, go to the fog forrest and go left at the top of the winding stairs, then enter the shrine of winter to continue |
Scheumke
08.24.23 | I'm getting close to end of the main game and Dranleic Castle certainly stepped things up in terms of quality. Updated the list again. |
Shemson
08.24.23 | Wow, how you beating all these bosses first attempt lol that’s wild
I didn’t really have a problem in Amana, I quite enjoyed it
The only thing I didn’t enjoy is it took me about 6 attempts to beat the frog bastard and having to run that gauntlet of mushrooms then wizards was bullshit |
PotsyTater
08.24.23 | Try shooting the enemies in the face with a bow and arrow |
Scheumke
08.27.23 | Into the first dlc we go! Will update the list later today. Sunken king first and damn did they crank the difficulty up to 11 here. I died more in this dlc alone than I did in about half of the main game combined. |
Shemson
08.27.23 | That’s exactly where I got to Potsy
I never really used a bow and arrow in ER, DS3 or DS1 but it felt like a must in DS2
Well done Scheumke, sounds like you smashed through the main game - looking forward to your updates and wondering if you got all the optional bosses! |
Gyromania
08.27.23 | Shemson the bosses are a joke lol, unless it’s your first Soulslike experience |
Gyromania
08.27.23 | I’m surprised there are defenders of shrine of amana, that’s such a garbage level. I agree it looks nice, but it could have been so much more enjoyable to go through without the infinite-range casters. It rly isn’t a case of getting good either, it’s just tedium for tedium’s sake |
PotsyTater
08.27.23 | Sounds like something someone who can’t get good would say |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.27.23 | Shrine of Amana is definitely a case of getting good, level gets more fun to rush with every playthrough I've done. Also rare case of Scholar not reflecting its original difficulty - am not gonna hear flack for unfair spellcasters from anyone who didn't experience that shit on the unpatched base game. Jfc that tracking... |
pizzamachine
08.27.23 | Those spellcasters love shooting their magic spunk daaang |
PotsyTater
08.27.23 | I can’t believe how bad gyro is at dark souls I feel bad for him we should stage an intervention |
Veldin
08.27.23 | Yes, they definitely improved Shrine of Amana in Scholar but I still don’t enjoy it |
Gyromania
08.27.23 | 1v1 me bitch!! |
Gyromania
08.27.23 | They did improve shrine of amana but yeah it’s still just inherently bad design. Feel like levels are more enjoyable to explore when you don’t have to spam dodge roll to avoid constant projectiles from miles away |
PotsyTater
08.27.23 | Gyro your pve incompetence will not be solved by pvp violence smh poor lost soul |
PotsyTater
08.27.23 | I never roll in shrine of amana, cowardly stuff |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.27.23 | elden ring lowkey peaked on shrine of amana |
Scheumke
08.28.23 | Updated again, managed to get a good chunk of the first DLC down, very mixed bag but the goods are really really good. |
Shemson
08.28.23 | You may have made a small error when you said there were no bosses in Dragon Shrine ;)
Also don’t leave Vendrick in his misery
DLC is definitely a big step up, very enjoyable |
Scheumke
08.28.23 | Hahaha no bosses yet ;) Nah leaving Vendrick for last, I tend to leave the final boss until after I completed the DLC's. Did the same for DS3 |
Gyromania
08.28.23 | Yeah cave of the dead is 1/10 as far as design goes. Surprised you liked Aldia’s keep, I thought it was pretty boring and the Guardian Dragon is prob the most w.e dragon boss they’ve made. |
Scheumke
08.28.23 | Ok so Fume Knight: easily best boss in the game at this point. Hands down, no question. Also rediculously overtuned compared to the rest of the game. You guys are gonna laugh your collective asses of when I show you my death count on him. It took forever but (here we go): I GOT GUD and now I feel like a dodge god woop woop |
PotsyTater
08.28.23 | If you go in dressed as velstadt, fume knight instantly aggros to second phase because the two have mad beef |
Dewinged
08.28.23 | Lol I knew you'd love Shrine of Amana, and you should have seen the vanilla design, pre-scholar, that shit was wild.
You missed a couple of big things but that's the beauty of this game. Good luck with Sir Alonne, you'll need it. |
Gyromania
08.28.23 | Yeah Fume Knight is by far the uncontested best boss in DS2, just wish he had a cooler boss arena.
Sir Alonne is super easy, he only has like 3 moves, but the boss run to him (like the vast majority of boss runs in this game) is as tedious as humanly possible. |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.28.23 | Dragon's Sanctum is highkey the best area in the whole game (rivalled only by Eleum Loyce) and the pressure it puts you under to suss out the puzzle mechanics if you go in blind is a big reason why. One of the most satisfying soulsborne experiences ever |
PotsyTater
08.28.23 | Gyro tryna make up for the fact that he has to roll like a pussy in shrine of amana by saying sue alonne is easy |
PotsyTater
08.28.23 | Imagine doing anything but charging through shrine of amana face first and slaughtering those push over magician fucks as they come, ez |
Anthracks
08.28.23 | i beat fume knight on my second try lol. didn't find it to be a very interesting fight at all.
sir alonne was the best fight in ds2 for sure
off topic but soulslike... stuck on the final boss in the Wo Long first DLC. this game's difficulty is very understated |
PotsyTater
08.28.23 | Gyro probably hates cave of the dead because he cant beat CERAH THE OLD EXPLORER, ANCIENT SOLDIER VARG AND THE AFFLICTED GRAVEROBBER barehanded and naked |
MeatSalad
08.29.23 | Ok but the run to alonne is absolutely tedious as fuck, boss itself is ez as are 95% of bosses in DS2 (fume knight actually a good challenge tho) |
Gyromania
08.29.23 | I FUCKING KNEW YOU'D COMEM IN HERE TO DEFEND CAVE OF THE DEAD |
PotsyTater
08.29.23 | The sir alonne commute is my favourite boss commute in fromsoft history |
Dewinged
08.29.23 | You can despawn that entire hall anyway. |
PotsyTater
08.29.23 | It is rivaled only by the commute to the two tigers |
PotsyTater
08.29.23 | 😩. |
Anthracks
08.29.23 | Lud & Zallen is the only true challenge in DS2
Though of course calling things easy in the game is a total bubble statement because your average gamer would absolutely get squashed by most of the game |
Dewinged
08.29.23 | The two tigers was the ultimate trolling, like they didn't know what else to put there.
That dlc's final battle is one of my favorite moments of the game though, if you get all the "extra help" is truly an epic battle. |
Gyromania
08.29.23 | Lud and Zallen are easy. It's a garbage boss but "only true challenge" wut? |
pizzamachine
08.29.23 | Just beat Demon Song without help who’s the boss I am yes |
PotsyTater
08.29.23 | Gyro can’t even iframe through a common skeleton on 100adp |
pizzamachine
08.29.23 | The skeletons are one of the easier enemies imo |
Scheumke
08.29.23 | @Anthracks seriously impressed at that. I wonder if my strategy/build is just the worst against him. You can see my deaths on the other bosses and this one joins the top 10 list of fromsoft bosses that took me the most tries to beat. For me that felt like it came out of nowhere. |
Scheumke
08.29.23 | Updated the list again. I wonder if there are other bosses that are on the difficulty level of Fume Knight. A list with bosses that took me multiple hours to get down in order:
1. Orphan of Kos
2. General Radahn (pre-nerf, week 1 patch)
3. Ishin the Sword Saint
4. Darkeater Midir
5. Genichiro Ashina
6. Fume Knight
7. Great Shinobi Owl
8. Slave Knight Gael
9. Nameless King
10. Ludwig the Accursed
11. Lady Butterfly
12. Laurence the first Vicar
13. Manus, Father of the Abyss
14. Sister Friede and Father Ariendel
15. Ornstein and Smough
Also, what an incredible bossroster this studio has produced over the years, damn. |
Gyromania
08.29.23 | radahn pre-nerf was an amazing fight. he feels too easy now |
Gyromania
08.29.23 | lady butterfly gave you a harder time than laurence? fr tho? |
Scheumke
08.29.23 | Agreed Radahn was amazing, he's a pushover now though. Crazy hard with a strenghts UGS build (which is my go-to for a first playthrough, I just really like that playstyle) but incredibly entertaining.
Sekiro was my first fromsoft game that I actually got through (tried BB before it but it didn't click yet) and Lady Butterfly was the first wall I ran into. Now I can oneshot her pretty consistently. |
Anthracks
08.29.23 | Anyone who says l&z is easy I’m just going to assume uses summons |
JohnnyoftheWell
08.29.23 | using summons actually makes that fight more difficult imo - the npc summons don't do nearly enough damage to make up for the boss health boost
and is the above list a giveaway that scheumke has never taken Malenia down? |
Scheumke
08.29.23 | No I took Malenia down twice now. She should be on paper the hardest boss of them all were it not for the numerous ways to exploit her. Not saying she was easy by any stretch, but it didn't take me hours to kill her so she's not on that list.
Only fromsoft bosses I've never killed are a couple chalise bosses in BB because I couldn't be bothered to slog through all those repetitious dungeons. Other than that and the bosses I still need to do in DS2 I've done everything including dlc's.
No idea who I&z are btw, is that a ds2 boss I still have to encounter? |
Anthracks
08.29.23 | Lud and Zallen are an optional/secret boss in one of the DLCs. The run up to the boss is notorious for how frustrating it is, and the boss is designed to fight coop. Fighting them solo is drastically more difficult than anything else in the game, in my opinion |
protokute
08.29.23 | No one mentioned Darklurker yet, but that one gave me a real hard time. Though, the hardest one was Fume Knight for me. |
Anthracks
08.29.23 | Darklurker is a good fight. I don’t think a lot of people fight it because it’s secret |
Gyromania
08.29.23 | "Anyone who says l&z is easy I’m just going to assume uses summons"
they are seldom ever both aggro'd. pop some radiant life gems and just go to town on one of them, dodge rolling when needed. honestly just a rly shit boss. i think the first of the king's pets was much more enjoyable.
"Darklurker is a good fight. I don’t think a lot of people fight it because it’s secret"
I think most people don't fight it because the requirements for it and the boss run to it are rly stupid
|
Gyromania
08.30.23 | i think there's a psychological element attached to L&Z. the player just ran through an objectively dogshit level leading up to the boss that takes like 15-ish minutes, prob longer if you get lost or turned around in the storm, and then you're presented with a gank fight, which likely sends most players into panic mode thinking, "i really don't want to have to do all this shit again" which then leads to them playing too passively and getting destroyed |
Anthracks
08.30.23 | that analysis doesn't really make sense to me, but part of the glory of these games is how different everyone's experience can be. the first king pet fight is just one of the two with a fraction of the moveset and none of the difficulty / danger. lud & zallen hit like a truck. the single pet barely puts a scratch. you don't fight them both until mid-way through the fight, so there can't be a conscious choice to aggro "one of them" for the whole fight.
though i guess any boss is easy if you use radiant life gems and have yourself constantly healing for the entirety of the fight, lol. you can be aggro versus a boss if you grant yourself temporary invulnerability, of course. i know it's a mechanic of the game, but i didn't use any of that shit. the most any boss killed me in ds2 other than l&z was 4 (sir alonne and darklurker). lud and zallen bested me 15 times before i beat them. not even close for me |
Gyromania
08.30.23 | well, you should be fighting the first king's pet without the eye, like a real man. if you can see the boss, you're a pussy. as for the pair of them, just gotta use common sense and have decent spatial awareness and it's gg ez |
Scheumke
08.30.23 | Kinda crazy that people are finishing the game with at most 15 deaths on a single boss, here I am with my 72 deaths on Fume Knight lol. Ngl, I'm kinda proud of myself that I managed to do that many tries in a single sitting and work my way through my own tilt. My stubbornness won in the end. |
Anthracks
08.30.23 | i know you're at least mostly joking, but radiant life gem reliance definitely negates your ability to assert a boss is "gg ez" |
Gyromania
08.30.23 | i mean, a boss with inherently shit design i couldn't care less about cheesing |
protokute
08.30.23 | dude, i died at least 5 times to every boss on these games |
BaselineOOO
08.30.23 | I dyed my hair yesterday if that counts |
WatchItExplode
08.30.23 | Darklurker is definitely in contention for coolest Fight in DS2 |
Scheumke
09.01.23 | And so we come to the end. Definitely an underappreciated game in the community. 45 hours of mostly great fun with some incredible bosses. |
pizzamachine
09.02.23 | I have also now beaten the game. My super upgraded Bandit Axe did the trick |
Gyromania
09.02.23 | Aldia is a 0/10 boss for me. probably one of the easiest, dullest, most drawn out fights in the entire trilogy. Ancient Dragon is also a hard 0/10 and without a doubt the single worst dragon boss FS has ever made. Jank as hell hitboxes on both physical and aeo attacks, rly stupid damage, comically large health pool. a 6/10 is super generous. and speaking of generous, a 7/10 for Vendrick? really though? Burnt Ivory King is indeed amazing, however. the spectacle really carries the fight though, because his moveset outside of that isn't rly impressive when compared to a boss like Fume Knight. |
Scheumke
09.03.23 | Yeah I get that I might have been too generous with some bosses, but a lot of it comes from enjoyment and while I think in hindsight ancient dragon should probably be more like a 4.5, Vendrick got a lot of points for lore, music and atmosphere. From a mechanical standpoint the fight is a 3/10 but I had fun beating him.
Also, went straight into another ds3 run to see how different it would feel and boy does it feel easy compared to ds2, purely because of quality of life differences like dodging properly and not standing stil for 3 seconds to heal. |
Anthracks
09.03.23 | i love the clunky awkwardness of ds2. you have to put so much thought into every move you make lmao |
Shemson
09.03.23 | I loved the Vendrick fight and it’s kind of what I think Gwyn should’ve been. They’re done, they’ve given everything, death is a gift to them. |
pizzamachine
09.03.23 | “the Giant Lord must be the one chained up that you fight as a first boss right?”
Yes it’s the same giant |
Dewinged
09.03.23 | Well done dude, well done.
Wait, where are Sir Alonne and Sinn?? |
Scheumke
09.03.23 | Haha thanks, now I can say I've done every fromsoft game including dlc's from start to finish haha.
They're there bro, though I think I might've misspelled both lol. Alonne is under the Brume Tower segment and Sinn under Dragons's Rest 2 |
Anthracks
09.03.23 | now you gotta play nioh, wo long, surge, and all the other soulslikes >:) |
JohnnyoftheWell
09.03.23 | Nioh + Nioh 2 playthrough list lfg |
Gyromania
09.03.23 | Nioh 1 and 2 are noticeably far weaker than any Souls game but they’re maybe worth going through once. Had a really hard time finding the motivation to play them but there’s some good stuff in there. After that I’d prob just stop and get Armored Core 6. Most soulslike games are rly meh . Wo Long seems like it’s going to Stomp Nioh for the first like 1 hour or so, until you realize hours later that the game has already peaked with the first major boss |
Gyromania
09.03.23 | Wait, you missed Sinh? I didn’t even know that was possible |
Dewinged
09.03.23 | Oh shit my bad, I started reading from fume knight downwards for some reason.
2 deaths to Alonne is impressive. I died like a bitch to that one. Did you know that if you manage to take half of his life bar or so without getting hit he will commit seppuku and kill himself? |
JohnnyoftheWell
09.03.23 | Nioh 2 is better than half the souls series - half for infinitely superior combat mechanics, half for infinitely superior NG+ design. Absolute ton of mileage to be had from that game that the first playthrough only hints at |
Gyromania
09.04.23 | Ha. Can't agree there, even if the combat mechanics are objectively more sophisticated than those of any Souls game. Nioh 2 is egregiously bullshit a lot of the time. It's a pretty grindy game and it has tons of go-fuck-yourself moments that the git gud community salivates over. There are legit standard ass enemies in that game that'll one shot you from max hp, with a move that comes out faster than anyone can reasonably be expected to react to, unless they'd already studied said enemy. This is an issue with the boss design too. Many bosses with inflated difficulty, again just requiring you to know their every single move to be successful, but then in other instances the bosses can be absolute jokes with massive exploits. The balancing is just all over the place. I really do like some of the content a lot, but for every cool area or good boss you get something like that rly shit snake boss in the early game. |
PotsyTater
09.04.23 | Holy fuck gyro is paragraph posting excuses for sucking at nioh 2 now too?? Game is as breezy as they come, imagine getting one shot by a common enemy 😂😂 |
BaselineOOO
09.04.23 | Nioh 2's death screen theme used to be my morning alarm ringtone |
MeatSalad
09.04.23 | Nioh 1 was alright, struggled to finish it out of pure boredom though. It has some fun nuances with its combat system but on the whole just felt like a worse Dark Souls in Japan with far less attention put into engaging world building and level design. Didn't feel inclined to check 2 based on that |
MeatSalad
09.04.23 | Also not a fan of Diablo-style grindy loot systems |
Gyromania
09.05.23 | Yeah the world building sucks too |
Anthracks
09.05.23 | the first wo long boss is one of the least interesting in the game by far. it only has a reputation because of the amount of people he stomped from being free on game pass |
Gyromania
09.05.23 | nah he's super well designed, and he wasn't that hard. a lot of the later bosses i fought i couldn't care less about |
JohnnyoftheWell
09.05.23 | gyro longcomment + shit world building are more or less fair for Nioh 1 but don't reflect any issues i've ever had with 2. more similar to bloodborne than souls (but more advanced), the standard combat+dodge system gives you so much to work with in 2 that the whole game is perfectly balanced as long as you're able to make good use of your character and have been paying vague attention to gear (not quite true for 1 - ki regen mechanics are clunkier, player mobility frequently feels limited and the yokai attacks in 2 add a ton more dynamism)
"Many bosses with inflated difficulty, again just requiring you to know their every single move to be successful"
is literally git gud 101 lol
also 2's boss roster is not souls-tier but has a ton of great fights. snake fight is in principle decent design but in practice too much of a level-check for whether you can damage the arms fast enough in the early game. late game + NG+ fights are a fun speedbumps |
Gyromania
09.05.23 | ""Many bosses with inflated difficulty, again just requiring you to know their every single move to be successful"
What I mean is that if there's a single move you haven't seen before GOTCHA get fukt try again. I hate that design. I don't mind studying a boss for hours to overcome them, like Ishin the Sword Saint. Dying to him the majority of the time just felt like i fucked up: I got too greedy, I wasn't patient enough, or maybe the opposite and I hesitated too much. Some frustration there but mostly for my decisions. I didn't get a sense of that when some of Nioh 2's more bs bosses (like the serpent) were crushing me. It didn't so much feel like a "I shouldn't have hesitated there" and more of a "oh there's just absolutely nothing I could have done unless I knew the move prior to" |
Gyromania
09.05.23 | Idk maybe I'm alone there in thinking that but it felt a lot like enemies and bosses were all "oh you haven't seen this move? gg ez", whereas the bosses and enemies of souls games are like "you haven't seen this shit yet? alright well you have some time to react to it rn" |
MeatSalad
09.05.23 | There's definitely some of that in Souls too. Midir's godzilla one-shot beam in phase 2 comes to mind, but tbh a lot of that fight requires getting fucked up to learn how to avoid his big fuck-off damage and sweeping attacks. There's quite a few bosses that basically have vigor check grab attacks as well, shit that one shots you if get caught and got too greedy with your stats.
Again, haven't played Nioh 2 but I remember in the first there were quite a few "gotcha" moments where the game tries to kill you with bullshit. Bat swarms out of a cave pushing you off a cliff, spiders hidden in the ceiling insta killing you, shit like that. You get wise to the games antics after a bit though and learn to expect some cheesy shit around every corner, cause there's almost always something |
Gyromania
09.05.23 | I might go back to Nioh 2 because maybe my original impression was affected by it being the first playthrough. if Nioh games operate like Souls, then they should be more enjoyable on subsequent runs, which I haven't done
And yeah Meat I do agree, Souls bosses can have that same reputation but they always feel more balanced to me and the ones that are bullshit are usually few and far between, esp if we're talking games like BB and Sekiro. And to be fair to Nioh 2, the first game has a lot more of those "gotcha" environmental traps, and they were obnoxious as hell - like the devs played Sen's Fortress and thought "this is cool but it could be more bs". |
BaselineOOO
09.05.23 | Nioh 2 is a masterpiece of gaming, not even going to waste my time arguing with you like Johnny. Just replay the game as many times until you get it and stop being blatantly wrong, Jesus Christ... |
MeatSalad
09.05.23 | Lol fr the first Nioh is basically Sen's Fortress Simulator. Might try out 2 when it goes on sale next |
BaselineOOO
09.05.23 | The first Nioh is average, 2 is its own thing. |
Anthracks
09.05.23 | it is the most bizarre take to consider wo long's first boss more well designed than the other bosses in the game, lol. it's literally a tutorial boss with like four attacks. it's not even remotely as interesting or dynamic as fights like lu bu, demon lu bu, dian wei, dong zhuo, aoye, and sun jian. it's giving you only played two hours of the game |
Gyromania
09.05.23 | I played more than half of that game before selling it lol. Every other boss was a letdown for me. |
BaselineOOO
09.05.23 | "I played more than half of that game before selling it lol."
That's like fucking a man with half a dick. Doesn't sound very satisfying to me. |