Rubbadonga: Why Should I Read YOUR Review?

Rubbadonga 12.30.09	Also why do I always read comments on reviews where 5 people say "good review" but ther's only 1 pos? is it that hard people?
Phantom 12.30.09	huh?
Mordecai. 12.30.09	you are such a rubbadonga
Inveigh 12.30.09	lol Mordecai. I'm ok with adding other reviews to popular albums if you have a different opinion than what's already been said or if there's a fresh angle on the music. But yeah, most of the time it's just fappery.
Rubbadonga 12.30.09	Exactly inveigh. If 12 people already gave watershed 4, 4.5, 5 why review it and give it a 5? review it only if you have something new to bring to the table
IRAI 12.30.09	http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=33797 shameless self promotion,
Rubbadonga 12.30.09	well IRAI at least that hadn't been reviewed.
IRAI 12.30.09	but no one even saw it so im trying to get it out there. XD
Mordecai. 12.30.09	Why do I Need to Read THIS List
Ire 12.30.09	well you are "out there" hahaha i called you gay jk
Rubbadonga 12.30.09	It's a shame IRAI, I did a joke review that got 13 pos! I feel bad for people who actually take the time to write a good, real review and it's not noticed
IRAI 12.30.09	haha its alright
Rubbadonga 12.30.09	@ Mordecai guess I need to change that to why should I read your review huh?
Cesar 12.30.09	10,000 Days = 13 Lateralus = 13 American Idiot = 13 The Black Parade = 12
Rubbadonga 12.30.09	Damn cesar! I hadn't seen those. there should be a limit, between 3 and 5 I think
Wizard 12.31.09	It freightens me how many great albums haven't been reviewed on this site.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	@ wizard just as frightnening is St Anger having 14 reviews! wtf? people would rather do an album by a popular band with 5+ reviews than a lesser known album that has yet to be reviewed
Wizard 12.31.09	It's all about finding your comfort zone when you start out reviewing. If you notice, a majority of reviews for popular albums are by people tippy-toeing into the reviewing waters for the first time. I don't blame these people either. Myself, I steer clear of albums with multiple reviews unless it's a clunker in the old database on the site. And St. Anger should be forgotten, erased from the mind of man.
SteelErectedb4you8er 12.31.09	Damn straight, yeah, there are tons of my favorite records that haven't been touched yet. I plan on reviewing them when I stop being a lazy asshole.
Wizard 12.31.09	Stop being a lazy asshole ; ).
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	And St. Anger should be forgotten, erased from the mind of man. but instead we have people constantly reminding us how bad it is. even if it was the bast album ever, it doesn't need 14 reviews. and Steel, stop being a lazy asshole!
CelestialDust 12.31.09	yeah it's really pointless to review something with the same rating that like 2 other reviewers already made a good case for, it just takes up more unnecessary space under the album cover
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	Do a 2nd if you don't agree w/the 1st but if 8 other people reviewed it at a 5 are you really contributing anything if you rate it 5?
Chewie 12.31.09	because people put a lot of effort into conveying their opinions and writing the review, regardless of how many of them there are. Prick.
AnotherBrick 12.31.09	if i was writing my first review i would write it over my favorite album for good practice regardless of how many reviews it has
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	"people put a lot of effort into conveying their opinions and writing the review" so if you do the 13th review of something, all that effort will get lost among all the other reviews and the effort will be wasted. wouldn't you rather have the ONLY review so people HAVE to look at yours? instead of them sorting through 10 others and hoping the see yours?
CelestialDust 12.31.09	dereckchewbacca
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	@ AnotherBrick is it really good practice though if no one reads it or offers you feedback?
ziroth 12.31.09	because you're first starting to review, and it's good practice. you get lots of feedback if it's a popular album as well.
Chewie 12.31.09	one of the points of reviewing is to get practice as a literary writer, and the reviews assist with that. Besides, after the homepage, no one ever gets many comments on their reviews, so its fair game if the album has 2 reviews or 50.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	good point ziroth but as soon as it's off the front page it's gonna be one of 10 or more reviews and it's not likely that it will be seen
Deviant. 12.31.09	Admittedly, no one is really gonna go and read another "Devil and God" review when they see it on the front page. I'm with Inveigh, review what you want. Just as long as you get your thoughts across, and as long as those thoughts are different than other reviews. Because while your writing itself might be good, there's no reason having 2 identical reviews up is there?
ziroth 12.31.09	totally true, but 80% it's the same way with reviews that are on obscure albums.
Chewie 12.31.09	its about reviewing, it doesn't matter how many identical reviews there are. It's about the reviewer putting the time in to convey his message, not about the users bitching about the fact that there's too many reviews.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	I know ziroth but there's albums that aren't very obscure and haven't been reviewed If you're looking for an album and it has 2 reviews that are 5 which one are you gonna read? either one right? you'll pick it randomnly
Deviant. 12.31.09	Chewie: But what's the point in trying to convey that message if it's already been said in another review? How's that gonna improve the writers skills if he's essentially doing nothing more than copy and pasting?
ziroth 12.31.09	@deviant: you'd think that someone would rather read a review for an album that no one has reviewed yet, but look: this has been on the front page forever http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_34224 while these are two of the latest BTBAM reviews (out of 11) http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=33757 http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=34082
Chewie 12.31.09	just because they have the same opinion doesn't mean that it'll be like "copying and pasting," there are quite a few sentences in the English language.
Deviant. 12.31.09	Chewie: I know, but most reviewers tend to stick to only about 10 of them. Ziroth: The sad thing is your first example has had like 99 views. Think I might post a comment.
SeaAnemone 12.31.09	it's bc people only like to "think" that they're in Sputnik for the new musics, when really they're here much more for reaffirming what they already believe or mildly spreading their music taste into things they're already comfortable with-- hence new bands, forgotten gems, and overlooked albums often stay forgotten and overlooked. People would rather rabble about what they already believe instead of opening their mind a little- what I think the site should be (and definitely has the potential to be) used for.
Deviant. 12.31.09	Sea: I try and divide my time by doing both. Seeking out some new listens while alternatively commenting on things I know about.
Aids 12.31.09	Frankly, I don't care if someone wants to review something that's been done 50 times. Most of those reviews will be people easing their way into reviewing by choosing a popular album of which they have a high opinion of. If you don't feel like reading alllll of the reviews for Blackwater Park, then don't, pick a staff one of just read the default one (featured I should say). People forget what the point of this site is sometimes. Some people use it for practice, you know.
SeaAnemone 12.31.09	Yeah, I know I'm guilty of it... it's easy to pass up things you haven't heard of; but I try to get into stuff I have no idea sometimes, especially if it's a reviewer I trust
SeaAnemone 12.31.09	practice for what?
Aids 12.31.09	Practice for writing reviews for actual publications, or just writing in general.
Chewie 12.31.09	being a good writer.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	so if you write the 14th review for Watershed and having nothing new to say about it you're just gonna get flamed for reviewing it anyway so how much is that gonna help you?
Chewie 12.31.09	because you've written a review. You don't need feedback to practice. And it'll go where they'll say "too many reviews but..." and then proceed to critiquing the review.
Aids 12.31.09	I don't care if they get flamed, they still will have gotten the practice of actual putting their thoughts on an album on paper (or on the screen). It's still practice even if people think i'ts unnecessary (which it may well be in terms of the advancing knowledge of the site but that doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose).
Deviant. 12.31.09	Bot in the case of the last "Devil and God" review, reviewer got negged to shit over it.
IRAI 12.31.09	i guess i left at the wrong time. Shit just got intense.
SeaAnemone 12.31.09	You're right, I see what you mean- I've improved as a writer since I've been here / 58 reviews, but I'm not sure if I can attribute it to the reviews. and reviewing a popular album is definitely more prone to attract attention / critiquing.
Chewie 12.31.09	^which is why "opening your mind" isn't necessarily a good idea for reviewers.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	you need feedback because if you're doing something wrong an no one tells you you're going to keep doing it and it will become a habit that's hard to break
Deviant. 12.31.09	How is "opening your mind" not a good thing for reviewers?
SeaAnemone 12.31.09	I don't know though- only 7 of my 58 reviews have been for albums that already have a review (and it wasn't an album with 10+ to say the least) and I think it worked out for me.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	hope fully more people follow your lead SeaAnemone and we won't get 10+ reviews for the same album. I'm ok with a doing an album that's been reviewed but it beeter not be the SAME review, bring a different perspective if you're gonna do that
Aids 12.31.09	Rubbadonga, yes feedback in nice and helpful but not the only way to improve. I improve my writing more by self editing than by other's feedback. Also, both of the reviews I wrote for this site were for albums nobody cared about and I got very little feedback because nobody cared about the bands I was writing about. But, whenever someone writes a 5/5 review for Devil and God (for example) everybody clicks on it (myself included) because everybody knows it. While they may get flamed (by angry, illogical users, like you), if there's any constructive criticism amongst the flameage, it's worth it.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	"angry, illogical users, like you" c'mon man I just know that next time I see a review for St Anger I'll just keep moving because I just don't care about it anymore, same goes for those Tool albums and the other ones I listed
SeaAnemone 12.31.09	see i think it's very convenient to contribute to the site AND become a better writer / branch out at the same tim; and no, not by reviewing TDAGARIM for the eighteenth time.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	and if you give something like TDAGARIM a bad review you'll be considered a troll and get neg'd/flamed like crazy
SeaAnemone 12.31.09	not if it's a good review.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	really? try it. give one of these "great" albums a low score but write a good review where you explain why it sucks and see how that goes
IRAI 12.31.09	thats called people being assholes and not respecting or caluing your own opinion. welcome to music, where everyone and no one is right about anything at the same time.
IRAI 12.31.09	valuing*
Deviant. 12.31.09	Sea: Depends on who sees it. Like I said just before, the last review that cropped up for TDAGARIM got neged beyong belief, it was a pretty solid review too.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	yeah IRAI so much for music being subjected to your own opinion, not at sputnik, if you don't like BTBAM, converge or opeth you're a troll/loser/idiot
Prophet178 12.31.09	Look at Observers 2.5 review of ( ), 6 pos' out of 9.
IRAI 12.31.09	lucky for me, BTBAM and converge are two of my faves even before i started coming on here (kinda what prompted me to stay here) and Opeth is alright, so i manage. but srsly, music is all opinion, so...shit.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	I might review Opeth's Ghost Reveries (nullifying this whole thread, it has 8 reviews already but all positive except for a staff review which you can't vote on) I kept hearing how great it was but I just don't see it
IRAI 12.31.09	i liked the grand conjuration on that album, but idk about the rest..
TheSpirit 12.31.09	"really? try it. give one of these "great" albums a low score but write a good review where you explain why it sucks and see how that goes" only fanboys/trolls would neg, more respectable users wouldn't neg if its a good review.
Chewie 12.31.09	"How is "opening your mind" not a good thing for reviewers?" "and reviewing a popular album is definitely more prone to attract attention / critiquing."
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	@ spirit so if I gave Ghost Reveries a 2, explained why I thought it was a 2 and did it in an informed, civilized manner you don't think Opeth fanboys would come out and crush me?
TheSpirit 12.31.09	i dont think you read my comment correctly. i clearly stated trolling fanboys would neg, but any GOOD, RESPECTABLE user wouldn't. And nobody cares about trolling fanboys anyway so who cares.
IRAI 12.31.09	just do it and see. XD
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	I probably will and not just to do it either, I honestly don't see the "greatness" of this album, I like some of their stuff but GR is just awful
Deviant. 12.31.09	Chewie: There can always be a balance between writing albums that are popular on Sput, and writing reviews that you add yourself. Your comment came across as "write reviews that you know people will read and report back on, don't go wasting your time on that nonsense local indie band that no one's heard of, know one will read that review", which is idiotic.
qwe3 12.31.09	because i'm qwe
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	well qwe missed the point of this thread
Prophet178 12.31.09	Why? BECAUSE QWE SAID SO
qwe3 12.31.09	yes i missed the insanely obvious point of this thread and wasn't joking at all
Fuff24 12.31.09	notice it's all metal that gets too many reviews. just sayin that some other genre's could use some love
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	not true Fuff check Thrice and Brand new
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	and Radiohead
Fuff24 12.31.09	I stand corrected mr donga!
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	I think I'm gonna go on a reviewing spree and kill "classic" albums that I don't like
TheSpirit 12.31.09	better make them legitimate reviews or you'll be denounced as a troll and banned.
Prophet178 12.31.09	That worked well for fireaboveicebelow. Oh wait, no it didn't.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	Oh yeah spirit I know, I'm gonna try real hard to make my point as to why I don't like it, it won't be just for fun. there are albums that people consider great here and I just don't understand why (ghost reveries).
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	what was that Prophet?
Relinquished 12.31.09	something happened to fireaboveicebelow?
EVedder27 12.31.09	whats all this noise
Prophet178 12.31.09	He rated all these albums a 2.5: Converge - Petitioning the Empty Sky Disillusion - Back to the Times of Splendor The Beatles - Abbey Road Animal Collective - MPP And a few others. Just look at the reviews.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	damn! but his approval is 94%
Zizzer 12.31.09	I would rather them review something else too, but I don't see how another review hurts anything. You can just ignore it if you don't like it.
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	@ Zizzer just saying it's a waste of time to do it because it'll get lost among all the other reviews
Jethro42 12.31.09	whats all this noise LOL @ Vedder
Zizzer 12.31.09	Yeah it usually is a waste of time and I usually skip them, but it also doesn't make sense to me why some people go neg their review and flame them for it either.
shindip 12.31.09	People can review what they want if you dont like it fuck off
Rubbadonga 12.31.09	@ modest what were your offensive/controversial reviews for?
Chewie 12.31.09	"Sometimes Sputnik takes down a good review because it's deemed too "controversial" for its tastes or it goes against the grain of typical Sputnik fanboyism." that's never happened.
Jesuslaves 12.31.09	Do I get a cookie for actually reviewing St. Anger as a 3.5, and giving 3 reviews to Ride the Lightning and Rust In Peace (since literally every other review for those albums was pure uncensored fellatio)?
Rubbadonga 01.01.10	@ Jesusslaves and what was the response to your RIP and RTL reviews?
Jesuslaves 01.01.10	General idea: 'good review but you're wrong'.
Rubbadonga 01.01.10	and yet you gave slayer's World Painted Blood a 4.5! whoa! aren't you controversial