Pessimist: Indie Screams Pretentious Bullshit To Me.

ShadowAmI 01.19.10	2 is amazing 8 is ok and the rest suck asss. cool man cool.
qwe3 01.19.10	check out neurosis - given to the rising converge - axe to fall system of a down - system of a down Garden of Shadows - Oracle Moon Intestine Baalism - Banquet in the Darkness
rasputin 01.19.10	lol
Waior 01.19.10	PRETENTIOUS BULLSHIT i guess it's just a matter of taste. if you don't like indie music, people trying to analyze and "explain" it for you won't change a thing
fatlip27 01.19.10	As far as the Rise Against CD, you would be telling yourself the truth if you never heard the previous 2 albums before Siren Song: "Revolutions per Minute" and "The Unraveling." Everything after "Revolutions" is just Rise Against making songs for a wider audience. I still love them, but anything after "Sufferer and the Witness" is non-existent to me. What's all this talk about appeal to reason anyway?
erasedcitizen 01.19.10	While indie is a genre that has spawned some of the most pretentious slime that ever called themselves musicians, Arcade Fire, The Antlers, and Bon Iver are very sincere artists. You just need to listen to more indie.
jcfiasco 01.19.10	isn't indie a label status and not a genre? That's always bothered me.
joshuatree 01.19.10	i agrre indie's os gay
Comatorium. 01.19.10	i agree, only faggots like bon iver and the antlers.
WatchItExplode 01.19.10	much nonsense in here
Meatplow 01.19.10	all my indie stuff I categorise into the actual genres they belong to :p
GnarlyShillelagh 01.19.10	5 rapapes
TRMshadow 01.19.10	Yeah, Metal and Alternative are the only good genres. I mean Come on. Ska, post-rock, post-harcore, punk, indie, jazz, blues, electronica, hip-hop, progressive, Experimental, Funk, Psychadelic, Emo, Screamo, Shoegaze, and Soul are all crap!
Foxhound 01.19.10	This site uses the word PRETENTIOUS way to FUCKING MUCH!
syco722 01.19.10	haha yeah indie is incredibly gay. but 3 is amazingg
Satellite 01.19.10	List is hilaribad, apart from 2 and 8.
tombits 01.19.10	I use indie as a genre because it's become pretty much essential in describing the sound of a band now-a-days, but I really fucking hate it as a stereotype. It's becoming the new "emo", with shitty fashions, crappy mainstream labelling, etc. It's original meaning of independence from a major recording label has pretty much become obsolete now.
erasedcitizen 01.19.10	Been that way since the mid-late nineties, tombits.
tombits 01.19.10	Really? I thought it started in the last decade or so. I only seriously started listening to music in the mid '00's though, so there you go.
illmitch 01.19.10	guy is probably a troll if not hes a dumbass
soap91 01.19.10	Props for 5 and 6
liledman 01.19.10	i havent laughed this hard at a list in a while
TheyTookOurJobs 01.19.10	3 and 8 ftw
TheSpirit 01.19.10	Pessimist Screams Pretentious Bullshit To Me. See what i did there?
Pessimist 01.19.10	24 comments and nobody could explain a single thing about indie, aside from the evolution from meaning "independent" to becoming a genre. The only song I liked in Bon Iver's "For Emma" was Lump Sum. I couldn't digest the rest of the album, let alone the other two artists. @Erased: Mention me some indie worth checking out. Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in the genre, I just can't find anything I like about it. @TRMShadow: This is just stuff I've been digging lately. I enjoy a lot of the genres you listed. Cheers.
SeaAnemone 01.19.10	just because you don't like it or don't get it -neither of which are sins really- doesn't have ANYthing to do with your claim or "pretentious bullshit." back up your claim with a little substance so maybe this can be more than simply a cry for attention.
robertsona 01.19.10	omg indies so gay pretneiosu bulshit lol pitcfhrok am i right dudes
jagride 01.19.10	So you're just dismissing a whole genre of music because you dislike a handful of bands that are popular on here and sputnikmusic. And you expect us to say something to you that will somehow make the countless 'indie' bands in the world seem more worthwhile to you. Idiot. And you listen to shitty music anyway, so there's no hope for you.
jagride 01.19.10	i meant to say on here and pitchfork
Pessimist 01.19.10	I'm sure that's the case, MrPoopular. In the meantime, someone please recommend me some bands I should listen to from the genre. I'd like to give it another try.
SeaAnemone 01.19.10	if you reply to my post I'll give you some great indie music. for reals.
iarescientists 01.19.10	you either get it or you don't if you don't get it it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you the same way that if you do get it you're not better than anybody else, although you will get more enjoyment out of life
thebhoy 01.19.10	A lot of people on this site really need to learn what pretentious actually means.
robertsona 01.19.10	okay indie isnt a fucking genre it's a way of releasing music so if a band releases their album on an independent label then it's indie but okay here are some 'classic' 'indie' 'albums' that will start you off wel guess by the sound of it you seem to have been listening to more 'acoustic' stuff which you, a metal fan, might find boring pavement - crooked rain, crooked rain (classic indie rock album) the dismemberment plan - emergency and i (overlooked album imo, a kind of melding of prog-rock with maybe a little bit of math-rock in it too) neutral milk hotel - in the aeroplane over the sea (a classic, although it sems like you might find this one 'overrated' or 'boring' too. good luck) interpol - turn on the bright lights (probably the best example of modern post-punk on the indie scene) sonic youth - daydream nation (probably the best example of not-really-all-that-modern post-punk on the indie scene) sigur ros - agaetis byrjun or godspeed you! black emperor - lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven (post-rock) modest mouse - the moon and antartica or wilco - yankee hotel foxtrot (more indie rock) There U Go.
Pessimist 01.19.10	I'm dismissing a whole genre of music because the bands Sputnik users seem to claim to be amazing are quite the opposite to my ears. It could boil down to a matter of taste, sure, but I don't see how some indie albums are rated as high as they are or seen as brilliant. Perhaps I expected too much from indie, I don't know. I don't relate to the lyrics, nor find anything interesting or witty about them. Anyone with a guitar and a little depression could write another Hospice. Admittedly, the music itself is more overrated than pretentious maybe. And then there's the hipsters :)
robertsona 01.19.10	youre making some pretty hefty generalizations about something that isnt actually a genre at all
Pessimist 01.19.10	Missed those comments. Thanks, robertsona. I actually listened to Sigur Ros a long time ago. Could have sworn they were post rock. Still, I like it. I wouldn't necessarily call myself a metal fan. There's a lot of acoustic stuff I enjoy.
JWT155 01.19.10	I've tried so many times to get into and like Indie music but it just doesn't click. I like bands like Interpol and stuff that was listed above but when it comes down to stuff like Neutral Milk Hotel, Bon Iver, ect. I want to like it but I just can't. I start an album and 3 songs later I'm either playing some Thrice, or Tool or just something else.
SeaAnemone 01.19.10	guys don't make fun of him- his ears are just broken, it's not his fault.
robertsona 01.19.10	agaetis byrjun was released on an independent record label. thus, indie. i think you might want to narrow down to at LEAST 'indie rock'
liledman 01.19.10	"and then theres the hipsters" dude you like parkway drive and underoath... they have some of the most annoying fans on the planet. "it could boil down to a matter of taste" bingo. dont write off an entire genre and call it pretentious, because it makes you sound well, pretentious. or just stupid...
Yotimi 01.20.10	Brand New - The Devil and God is your only "5" but that is pretty much an indie rock album. The bands you listed (Bon Iver, Antlers, etc. ) are all about the subtleties, so it takes a little bit of understanding and intent listening because the artists aren't trying to make a catchy riff or standout badass guitar or drums. More along your tastes, I would try: Manchester Orchestra - Mean Everything to Nothing As Cities Burn - Hell or High Water Park - It Won't Snow Where You're Going Liars - They Threw Us All in a Trench Built to Spill - Keep it like a secret
Two-Headed Boy 01.20.10	He doesn't like Indie Rock. Who the hell are you to make him think otherwise?
Two-Headed Boy 01.20.10	Mean comment, ignore that.
Aids 01.20.10	Indie is for homos amirite?
PirateSquid 01.20.10	Indie isn't even a genre. More a description of record label or popularity, you silly goose.
Aids 01.20.10	That's where the term originiated but it's most definitely a genre now.
jagride 01.20.10	you need a cool glass of milk
Pessimist 01.20.10	@Yotimi: Figured someone would bring that up. I don't consider TDAGARIM indie, personally, but that's subjective I guess. Will give those bands a try, thanks. @Two-Headed: Oi, no need to be mean ): @PirateSquid: What Aids said. @MrPoopular: Proooobably.
PirateSquid 01.21.10	Still not a genre. People think post-punk and psychedelia = both Indie
HolidayKirk 04.23.10	Look at all this angsty crap
Edwin 04.23.10	With this whole Indie thing, it isn't the music that I particularly think is crappy. It isn't my cup of tea, but what is tiresome is the whole 'scene' that is evolving from it. At least from my experiences with these people, they have this whole superiority thing going on, when in truth the majority of them are so much less involved with the music they say they love than, say, my metalhead friends are. It's all pretty fake to me. So everyone join the "I'm so Indie, I liked the River Thames before it was main stream" group on Facebook because it's so punny.
BigTuna 04.23.10	some of it is pretentious, some of it isn't
Ghostechoes 04.23.10	My pie chart is like 60% indie rock/pop/electronic, so yeah, I am awesome. BTW, all the albums in your list are lame.
illmitch 04.23.10	hey guys youre commenting in a 3 month old list just fyi fucking retards
heyadam 04.23.10	dude check out mewithoutyou .....an amazing indie band. Listen to "Brother, Sister"
fatlip27 04.26.10	An anecdote: When I listened to some of the samples of Sputnik's Top 50 of 2009 and started listening to some of the "indie" bands on that list, all I remember thinking was "this is the top 50 of 2009?" I was so disappointed because when I found this website, I would hope that their top 50 albums would be music that I found--oh, I don't know-- enjoyable! However, doubt started setting in as I started to think, "maybe I don't get the music. It's too advanced for me. There's obviously something wrong with me if I can't appreciate the music." The songs that were there for the listen that I enjoyed and have never heard before was The Red Chord, Converge, and Propogandhi: bands that represent music genres that I listen to on an almost exclusive level and in the case of Propogandhi and Converge, these two bands have Sputnik users on their knees, waiting to do the "circus seal" on their commands. However, upon the recommendation of many Sputnik users, I ventured on to listen to more music from both Converge and Propogandhi and I have yet to be blown away by any of the work I have listened to by these two bands (and I absolutely LOVE PUNK/HARDCORE)--including revered albums such as "Supporting Caste" and "Jane Doe." More disappointment. How could Sputnik be so wrong? Or maybe there's something wrong with me? Maybe I just don't know music. Or perhaps I hit some sort of "music wall" that doesn't allow me to move forward from my 3-chord comfort zone." However, what I started realizing is that there's nothing wrong with me, but maybe there's something wrong with everybody else.... ok, not really, but as many have pointed out, if you don't like a particular music, you can either keep listening to that genre until you start getting it or you can just give up and admit to yourself, "I just don't like it!" Just like I will never understand why my gf and MILLIONS just like her enjoy listening to crap like Lady Gaga and Brittney Spears, I will never understand some Sputnik users obsession with Converge, Animal Collective, The National, etc. By the way, I rather listen to Between the Buried and Me and The Dillinger Escape Plan than Converge. And Propogandhi's left wing politics are better presented by Strike Anywhere and the argument that Propogandhi's musicianship is unique to the punk genre, I give you a band like A Wilhelm Scream. I can go on and on, but I think I'll stop right here. This is a 3-month old list anyway....
JWT155 04.26.10	Holy mother of Jesus...
Ire 04.26.10	"A lot of people on this site really need to learn what pretentious actually means." THIS
Prophet178 04.26.10	Have you tried taking into consideration that maybe there weren't 50 albums better than Converge's and Propagandhi's latest last year to bump them off the list? And Propagandhi predates A Wilhelm Scream by 9 years...
fatlip27 04.26.10	"Have you tried taking into consideration that maybe there weren't 50 albums better than Converge's and Propagandhi's latest last year to bump them off the list?" What a slow year it was in 2009 :) Either way, I think the user list was WAY much better for my taste. Like I said, those were the only two albums that were ranked high that I was intrigued by and it was the Converge and Propogandhi albums but when I finally listened to them, I was left disappointed, but I rather take a chance on these two bands then the other artists that were ranked higher (Animal Collective, Antlers, etc.). The whole point of my previous rant was not what other albums should've been listed (cough The Great Misdirection*cough), the conclusion was that it doesn't matter because everybody's taste is different. I actually like Arcade Fire, but don't care about other bands categorized in the same genre and hate the fact that these other so-called "Indie" bands are deemed as the greatest thing since the PS2 beat the shit out of sliced bread in this website. As far as Propogandhi being a band before A Wilhelm Scream, this is the same website when I recommended someone No Use for a Name albums, I was bombarded with "Yellowcard is a much better band. Fatlip doesn't know what he's talking about." When I came back with, "but Yellowcard has admitted that No Use for a Name is one of their biggest influences in their music" I was told that it didn't matter and that argument held no water, much less any merit. Just b/c a band came before a newer band, doesn't make that band any special, much less better than a band such as Yellowcard. However, the whole point of the Propogandhi vs A Wilhelm Scream (the ladder match?) goes back to personal taste. I thought Career Suicide, as a technical record was much better and more memorable than Supporting Caste and Potemkin City Limits. That's just me though after listening to all three of those albums.