eternium
10.08.10 | I love this guy. |
eternium
10.08.10 | He was in charge of art direction for the ones with pictures and maybe a few others, but he still edited them and whatnot. |
accompliceofmydeath
10.08.10 | He does the ones with skulls and paint splat...oh wait... |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | Awesome. Didn't know he did this kind of thing. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I see that now. I will replace it. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I really want to listen to 25 just because of the artwork. A few others too. |
accompliceofmydeath
10.08.10 | I've heard the Blinding Light is pretty good. I might have even listened to them before and forgotten about it. Get it, then tell me about it. |
eternium
10.08.10 | It has a good rating and the review makes it sound like I'll love it. |
kangaroopoo
10.08.10 | I don't read the fine print. A real talent for art and screams. |
puma35
10.08.10 | loooove the album art for The Opposite of December |
SoapySoap
10.08.10 | Dude's got talent. |
combustion07
10.08.10 | 6 and 16 are cool |
eternium
10.08.10 | Except his screams are amazing because of the emotion and you just haven't learned to appreciate them. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I didn't like them at first either. I've since discovered the beauty in his voice. |
FruityCatOfDoom
10.08.10 | josh. you 5'd mudvayne. good album though. not 5. converge rapes them. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I want his "Harvest" silkscreen print on my wall, but I lack the funds. |
FruityCatOfDoom
10.08.10 | converge still pwns. |
SoapySoap
10.08.10 | Says Jesus, and that dude is so elite. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I've wondered what their religious beliefs are. Not many songs have references to religion at all. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Listening to 25 now and it might be my new dig. |
climactic
10.08.10 | I love this man.
"He does the ones with skulls and paint splat...oh wait..."
lol
|
eternium
10.08.10 | I have a good hunch that they're all agnostics, but who knows. Jacob at least doesn't seem very faithful in anything. |
Edwin
10.08.10 | They're all cool except for 10. |
ThePalestMexican
10.08.10 | Surprisingly there isn't that many BAD albums |
eternium
10.08.10 | Why would he do work for a bad band? |
eternium
10.08.10 | However, on his website he calls As I Lay Dying his "clients", so maybe that means something (btw I do still like AILD). This was when he congratulated them on the album sales. |
climactic
10.08.10 | "I have a good hunch that they're all agnostics"
hope so |
eternium
10.08.10 | I don't care much for religion, but I still listen to some Christian bands. |
TheBloodTypo
10.08.10 | #7 has amazing art. |
climactic
10.08.10 | There's some good Christian bands. And there's agnostic/atheist bands more humane values than those preached in
Christianity (btbam, converge) |
eternium
10.08.10 | 7 contrasts so much to everything else. Rather minimalistic compared to how busy and heavy the others are. |
AnotherBrick
10.08.10 | he should stick to just doing artwork. |
eternium
10.08.10 | That is true, but I think it's because they usually like heavy music for the wrong reasons. Some aren't real fans of the stuff and are just following trends for money and possibly to spread their religion. The good bands, like Underoath and Thrice, are obviously real fans of the music that they play and have broad horizons. |
AnotherBrick
10.08.10 | what i do |
eternium
10.08.10 | Please, it's two people versus the majority of Sputnik that likes the heavies. |
Jakeitwasaghost
10.08.10 | Even though its completely off topic, I love 2 and 26. The music, not the artwork. If he does draw some of these, he paints a pretty burrito. |
eternium
10.08.10 | He does the vast majority of his artwork by hand.
When I went to The Cool Tour this summer, The Acacia Strain really attacked Christianity (for obvious reasons) in a douchey way and pissed me off. Partly because of their "I'M A BIG TOUGH GUY, I'LL KICK YER ASS" attitude and extremely negative vibe. I can't stand people like that. Also they sucked, as expected. AILD didn't mention religion at all, but Underoath is very nice about it and accepting of nonbelievers such as myself and I respect them for that. |
AnotherBrick
10.08.10 | wait...is this another religion argument? |
Jakeitwasaghost
10.08.10 | No, they're arguing about who gets the last chip in the 7 layer dip. |
climactic
10.08.10 | The Acacia Strain singer beat the shit out of the Emmure singer so he's cool in my book. |
Emim
10.08.10 | I'm glad Bannon branches out every now and again and paints TWO skulls. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I think it was someone else.
I could go without Spencer's speech, but at least they're nice about it and only want to help people. It's like the guy who offers you a beer, but then says "oh, I respect that" when you decline. That is, if you would ever decline a beer. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Oh, and most of these don't have skulls in them, so stop bitching about how many skulls there are. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Religion does help some people, even if I do believe that it's kind of naive to depend on blind faith to feel like life has a purpose. It's still better than nothing at all. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | ETID art is not that great, and by that I mean it sucks |
Emim
10.08.10 | 11/30 have skulls, that's still a lot. |
Emim
10.08.10 | Oh, plus you can add the rest of AILD's albums; they all have skulls too. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | he does 3 skulls on the ringworm one, genius. |
eternium
10.08.10 | He wants to help people who are likely struggling with their own issues, such as depression. That's
what got him into Christianity himself, since he used to be a drug addict and stuff.
Yes, Jacob does do skulls a little too much, but I think he's really interested in death and such.
It's still some great art. |
Jakeitwasaghost
10.08.10 | Let's all just defend every possible outcome of the situation so the argument continues? Don't make me drop it.... |
eternium
10.08.10 | Yes and I agree with you. It's just that it works for some people and I think's better than remaining how they were, as long as they don't end up being bigoted religion pushers. I respect people who want to share their religion because they deeply believe that it will help people, but I despise the people who push it onto everyone and then spout about how the NONBELIEVERS ARE ARE SINNERS AND GOING TO HELLLLL.
That's the difference. |
eternium
10.08.10 | lol @ double are. Too lazy to fix. |
eternium
10.08.10 | But I want 700 posts. |
Emim
10.08.10 | "Basically. He would also order his followers to kill me in front of him for not believing he is my "king". So there's that..."
Bullshit.
But let's leave it at that. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Jesus was a nice guy. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I think it refers to all of his followers. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | Way to quote a parable Josh. Atleast read the passage you're gonna quote. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | Ephesians 6:12 (New International Version)
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
DISPROVE THAT MOTHA FUCKA
|
Emim
10.08.10 | Luke 19:27 - "Bring my enemies, who didn't want me to be their king. Kill them in front of me."
You do realize that you're taking that from a parable, right? One that is talking about the judgment of the end times, and not of followers murdering people in front of Jesus? |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | ""Basically. He would also order his followers to kill me in front of him for not believing he is my "king". So there's that..."
Bullshit."
Luke 19:27 - "Bring my enemies, who didn't want me to be their king. Kill them in front of me."
Any questions?
Speaking of those that refuse to believe in Jesus alone for salvation.
Anyone who dies without having believed in Jesus alone for salvation, will be sent to eternal torment in hell.
not talking about genocide, but I see how that can be misinterpreted |
eternium
10.08.10 | Still says that he wants them executed in front of his eyes. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | I already said that, Emim. I also quoted a different verse above your post. |
Emim
10.08.10 | Yeah, and God didn't give me ten talents either. |
eternium
10.08.10 | "Anyone who dies without having believed in Jesus alone for salvation, will be sent to eternal torment in hell."
Like I said before, I despise people like this. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I'm about to get into this. So what about the Bible's opinion on slavery? |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | God would send us all to hell to rot if it wasn't for Jesus' sacrifice, God wants justice foremost although He is loving, God isn't all about happy bunnies and world peace for everyone. He's pissed at us for being sinners and we deserve to burn |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.”
—Ephesians 6:5-6.
|
eternium
10.08.10 | If I recall, it was God who created sin and made us supposedly born into it. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | @eternium: read this:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html |
Emim
10.08.10 | "God says it created evil and "our struggle" is against "the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms".
Hmm...."
Created by proxy. |
eternium
10.08.10 | lol, thank you Frostbite for showing me how the Bible supports the institution of slavery. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "Anyone who dies without having believed in Jesus alone for salvation, will be sent to eternal torment in hell."
Like I said before, I despise people like this.
Its the doctrine, don't despise someone for the most fundamental part of their religion. It's called respect and tolerance |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | @eternium: read this:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
|
Emim
10.08.10 | "I think the basic idea of the Bible and the thing most Christians forget all the time is that you're supposed to treat other people just as you'd treat yourself. Sure, it's about "accepting Christ" and "building your relationship with God", but if anything you should learn that this life is anything but about YOU."
someguest, you are awesome.
"If I recall, it was God who created sin and made us supposedly born into it. "
I think you all would do well to actually read and understand what you're trying to debunk. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | Leviticus 25:44-46 "You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way"
yup, thats how it was back then, what are you trying to prove here? slaves still have souls in the Bible. |
eternium
10.08.10 | LOL @ you telling me to be tolerant of your beliefs when you believe that God isn't tolerant of my beliefs and just told me that I'm going to end up in Hell. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | America promoted slavery too, I don't understand what it has to do with anything, it was a fact of life. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | Way to delete my post telling you that Biblical "slavery" is the same as going to jail. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | God doesnt have to tolerate you because he is God, you play by his rules. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Slavery is wrong, immoral, and evil. It treats people as something other than living beings with feelings. They are treated as objects and that passage itself tells the owners to treat them as property. The very fact that you just said that slaves also have souls should be proof that it is condoning the maltreatment of human beings.
I always get the "it was the ways of the past" argument, but that argument is flawed in many, many ways. Mainly, God is supposed to be perfect, so why would God tolerate something at a time and then later change his mind? Why does God care what the culture is and what is acceptable under that culture? There are no exceptions when it comes to morality. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | Im just saying, this conversation has been going in the suggestion of God's existence as true. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I didn't delete any posts. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | You're missing the point. Biblical "slavery" is not some cotton-picking
racist scheme, it was for people who actually sold themselves into slavery
for unpaid debts.
And my post is gone now, idk why if you didn't delete it. |
eternium
10.08.10 | No, the conversation is going in the way of what the Bible says and what Christianity believes. That is coming from someone who does in fact believe in God. |
Emim
10.08.10 | "LOL @ you telling me to be tolerant of your beliefs when you believe that God isn't tolerant of my beliefs and just told me that I'm going to end up in Hell"
Let's speak pure hypotheticals here. The problem with this is that I'm not an almighty creator that created you for a purpose and gives you a choice to follow that purpose or not, all while making you contentious of the consequences. To use the old analogy, it's like your toaster not being tolerant of your want of it to make you toast. |
eternium
10.08.10 | "God didn't write the Bible."
Then why follow it at all? I thought the Bible was the Word of God and should be taken as such. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | The Bible in no means says anything about slavery being wrong or a sin, because thats how it was, slavery is wrong is a thing that recently came about in the past couple centuries. It doesn't really apply |
eternium
10.08.10 | Emim, my issue is that he told me (and Josh D.) that we're going to Hell. He isn't being tolerant himself by throwing the intolerance of God in our faces. |
eternium
10.08.10 | "The Bible in no means says anything about slavery being wrong or a sin, because thats how it was, slavery is wrong is a thing that recently came about in the past couple centuries. It doesn't really apply"
Okay, so do you believe that slavery is okay? Because the Bible certainly does. If this is a perfect God, then things like this never change. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | So? We don't do that now because it was wrong then and it is now. Ownership of people is abhorrent.
1. It wasn't full ownership; you weren't allowed to just kill them or anything. You were to set them free once they had paid their debt. It's actually a system very much utilized in the prison system of America today.
2. They sold themselves into it.
|
Emim
10.08.10 | And the Bible was God-inspired:
"2 Timothy 3:16–17 (NIV)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | He could have made us unable to dissent. And why should we worship a god who did what came natural to him in the first place, which is creation? That's silly. Besides, religious people don't have free will by definition.
1. Christianity shouldn't be a "religion" but a relationship with God
2. think of it like this, we were given free will, but God knew what we were going to do in the 1st place... |
eternium
10.08.10 | 1. They are allowed to beat the slaves to near-death and would only be punished (by a fine, I think) if the slaves did die.
2. Indentured slavery is still immoral and there are many ways to force someone into debt and thus slavery. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | You're so ridiculous. It's not the definition of slavery of today. It's like prison, and people of today still very mug go to prison for unpaid debts and have less choice on the matter then they did back then. |
eternium
10.08.10 | If you're admitting that the Bible is flawed, then what is the point of following it at all? How do you know what parts are what God intended and what aren't?
FrostBite, you just keep basically saying that God fucked us over for his own pleasure. |
Emim
10.08.10 | As for slavery...
Slavery in that time does NOT equate at all to the current understanding of slavery. A subject or employee could be considered a slave; slaves could also own land. A much better translation would be "debtor". Most would sell themselves to pay off a debt and then would be released after that. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Convict, you aren't allowed to beat prisoners and they do have rights. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | Emim, my issue is that he told me (and Josh D.) that we're going to Hell. He isn't being tolerant himself by throwing the intolerance of God in our faces.
tolerance isnt giving everybody salvation, tolerance is respecting others' beliefs, not by any means thinking its ok. Salvation is acquired through faith, and without it you go to hell. |
PanasonicYouth
10.08.10 | this is why religion can suck it |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | Once again, this talk about slavery being wrong is moot because this is a cultural belief that has only surfaced in the past couple hundred years, there was nothing wrong with it in the eyes of the world for much of its history |
eternium
10.08.10 | Even though everyone else is twisting things around to please their own views, I still respect them for their beliefs. I do not respect people who tell me that I'm going to suffer for all eternity because I refuse to believe in a book that supports so many immoral things and I refuse to believe in a selfish God. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | Convict, you aren't allowed to beat prisoners and they do have rights.
1. I said much like, not exactly like.
2. The slaves very much had rights, they were considered citizens, could
have a family, and own land.
|
eternium
10.08.10 | "Once again, this talk about slavery being wrong is moot because this is a cultural belief that has only surfaced in the past couple hundred years, there was nothing wrong with it in the eyes of the world for much of its history"
So then there is nothing wrong with it in the eyes of God. |
Emim
10.08.10 | "How come it feels like Emim is the only one using logic in here? Josh, as logical as you try to be, you're too quick to jump the gun on anything that possibly makes Christianity look retarded. And at least eternium is trying to figure stuff out."
I'm just wondering why my posts seem to be invisible o_O |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | Technically you don't have to believe in anything the Bible says other than "Jesus is Lord" to get into heaven. Just saying.
^ this. |
eternium
10.08.10 | It's hardly considered a right when you and your family are considered the property of another person who is free to sell you to other people and beat you to near-death. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | I'm just wondering why my posts seem to be invisible o_O
me too, I thought I had some good points |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | It's hardly considered a right when you and your family are considered the property of another person who is free to sell you to other people and beat you to near-death.
lots of things that go down on Earth are wrong. The nature of man is sin.... |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | You're not property at all. It was a class of citizens.
This kind of thing brings out the worst in everyone. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I'm trying to argue my point as much as I can. I can't get to everyone and will get to what sticks out the most. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Leviticus 25:44-46 "You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way"
The word property is there. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "I'm trying to argue my point as much as I can. I can't get to everyone and will get to what sticks out the most."
I think everybody is doing the same thing. =P |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "You may treat them as your property" not "they are property" |
eternium
10.08.10 | ....what the fucking shit is the difference? |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | people get treated like they arent worth living sometimes, that doesnt mean they aren't. It's kinda like that |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | 1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
this kills any further discussion saying that the bible allws slavery in today's day and age. |
eternium
10.08.10 | ..there's no difference, especially to the person. If you are treated as if you are worthless, then you will eventually come to believe this yourself. If you treat your girlfriend like she is your wife, you call her your wife, she calls herself your wife, then what is the difference? Forget the tax breaks btw. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | True, guest, but many things HAVE to be done or else. And I don't take kindly to that tone, you know.
Assuming God is real and all powerful, he can do what he wants |
eternium
10.08.10 | Okay, so then God supports whatever the authority supports. I don't think I even have to give examples of evil figures that have had authority. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Oh, and if the Bible is merely a set of instructions to make your life better, then why be punished for not believing in it? |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | Just so you all know now I reported this. Say anything you want to know since it's bound to be gone by tomorrow. I appreciate that you want to have an intellegent conversation, but it's too open for anyone to post to keep from insults being flung and unnecessary anger. Religion is a difficult topic to discuss peacefully, but it can be done. Try to get a friend or someone Sputnik who you would like to talk to to discuss it with you, one on one. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "had" that means God in effect removed them as well, theres two sides to that coin my friend. The idea is following authority |
Emim
10.08.10 | I don't really see what the contention here is; slaves are property. By their very definition.
You're judging a historical way of life, with a skewed ideal of what it became recently. You simply cannot do that; you must take historical context into account. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | Oh, and if the Bible is merely a set of instructions to make your life better, then why be punished for not believing in it?
It's not merely that. That was an ignorant comment from Someguest. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Sigh, you didn't have to participate in the conversation and we tried to be respectful. I know I have been. |
eternium
10.08.10 | You're not punished for not believing in the Bible. You're punished for ONE idea in the Bible: not believing in Jesus Christ.
..which is in the Bible. You can't have one without the other. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | I don't beleive I've said anything insulting, Im just defending the side I took on this issue and merely that |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | frostbite ur fucking stupid js
thanks for contributing, who are you? |
eternium
10.08.10 | Seriously, I've lost a lot of respect for him for doing that. We were being quite humane. It's basically censorship and I hate that. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | The Jews follow half the Bible and don't believe Christ is savior.
The Torah |
eternium
10.08.10 | Anyway, have you guys heard the news about that religious knowledge survey that was done in America? And that Jews and Atheists/Agnostics did a lot better than everyone else? |
ShadowRemains
10.08.10 | holy shit last time i came on this thread 2 hours ago, it only had like 30 comments.... |
Emim
10.08.10 | "Censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates in the end the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion." - Henry Steele Commager |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | I'd say the Bible is Old + New
Torah is just Old.
Not that it matters now that I think about it, haha |
ShadowRemains
10.08.10 | god you guys...you sound like fuckin youtubers for fuck sakes |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | Civil? You're joking right? Do you talk like this most people? Not you eternium, by the way, you're fine. There isn't an ounce of logical discussion occurring outside of eternium and Emim. |
eternium
10.08.10 | Google it.
I'm still pissed off about being reported and thus censored. It's not like we were talking about vaginal discharge and that shit always goes unreported. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "dude what you said there is pretty much the opposite of tolerance"
Tolerance: permissiveness: a disposition to allow freedom of choice and behavior
This is in the Bible, and God is tolerant by definition. He allows it, you just go to hell. |
Emim
10.08.10 | "Which is the Old Testament, aka half of the Bible."
Well, the Torah is the first five books and I've heard people including the Psalms and Proverbs in that as well. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | hmm, what its called is irrelevant, who agrees? haha. I don't know why I brought it up. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | You are delusional. That is complete contradiction.
how? |
eternium
10.08.10 | That's like saying "you're free to say whatever you want, but if you insult the president then you're going to jail."
And just because people aren't being logical doesn't mean that they shouldn't be free to say what they have to say. Besides, we need these things to be openly discussed so that they will be exposed and debated. This is what is wrong with a lot of things, particularly in the media. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | you are free to say what you say, just like your free to kill someone if you so choose, but everything has consequences. |
eternium
10.08.10 | "Conversation over. If you are that out of it, there is no reason to continue."
That right there is why this got reported, even if it was an immature action. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | You wanna talk religion? I said in my post up there group discussion doesn't work and that you need do it one on one peacefully. Hell, I'll talk to you myself in the morning. I'm sorry but this is going nowhere, the questions will remain unanswered until the end of time. These questions are not being answered by anyone, you're giving yourself a sense of gratification for tearing down another's belief. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | the freedom I'm talking about isn't exactly just in legal terms biblically, btw. free will to do anything that's possible is a better way of thinking of it. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | even if it was an immature action
I was asking for clarification, thats not immature |
eternium
10.08.10 | You clearly don't have a good grasp on the meaning of free will. I do not have the freedom to kill someone because of the fact that I will go to prison. However, people have the freedom to be douchebags and the consequence of that is that everyone will think that you're a douchebag.
Understand? |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | The question of free will is the philosophical question whether, and in what sense, rational agents exercise control over their actions, decisions, or choices. . |
eternium
10.08.10 | But apparently we don't have the freedom to have an open group discussion on religion because someone doesn't like how we do it. Despite what you think, questions were being answered and ideas were being traded. The only person who thinks otherwise is you. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | I'm not sure if you are defending it or not, but honestly, there has to be a limit of decency to have a civil discussion. What I was responding to is absolute idiocy.
that's unecessary, I was just asking a question; I wanted clarification... |
Emim
10.08.10 | "you cant seriously believe in something that is supposed to love all unconditionally but somehow hates fags/ non believers/ people who worship other deitys/things? like are you kidding me dude religion is absolute bullshit and i do believe in a god"
Ever heard of hate the sin love the sinner? People just assume that because we don't approve of people's practices (and the fact that fanatics speak louder and are the preferred representation of Christians as a whole) that we hate them. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | You can't have free will because you have to act in accordance with something transcendant above you.
I'd say that's ruled by judgement however, not possibilities. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "its astonishing how fundamental christians eat this shit up i mean look at the world your "god created" LOOK THE FUCK AROUND YOU"
Come back when you have enough knowledge to participate civilly. |
eternium
10.08.10 | The problem is that you can't love someone and then punish them eternally. I much prefer the idea of reincarnation over this. |
Asiatic667
10.08.10 | WOW, he's basically made the same 3 album covers 30 times |
Emim
10.08.10 | "You can't have free will because you have to act in accordance with something transcendant above you."
Free will is not the ability to do whatever you want and not have to deal with the results. Free will is being able to look at the red and blue pill, and pick the red one. |
eternium
10.08.10 | I meant that it was immature to report this. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | scripture says God allows you to choose, with your own judgement (some people have bad judgement), and receive the consequences clearly stated in the Scriptures. |
Ire
10.08.10 | You know you can lock the list. derp derp derp |
eternium
10.08.10 | Again, I don't have the freedom to murder because I will be punished. I have the freedom to say whatever I want because I will not be punished (except like with the douchebag example). |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | WOW, he's basically made the same 3 album covers 30 times
^haha this is pretty true |
eternium
10.08.10 | What derp? I want this conversation to happen. I just don't want it to be censored. |
Ire
10.08.10 | ...and comments by idiots
ex: Josh |
Live
10.08.10 | The special edition of They're Only Chasing Safety. By Underoath. He did that didn't he? |
eternium
10.08.10 | Yes he did. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "Right, and if god says you have to pick blue, you have to pick blue. I don't live under those circumstances."
But following laws is different, this conversation is all hypothetically assuming God is true and the scriptures are true right? |
Ire
10.08.10 | "What derp? I want this conversation to happen. I just don't want it to be censored."
not the website to do this on. gtfo |
botb
10.08.10 | how in the world did a jacob bannon art thread turn into a religious debate |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "The special edition of They're Only Chasing Safety. By Underoath. He did that didn't he?"
I like that one |
WhiteWallStargazers
10.08.10 | Just to throw out my opinion of CHristianity: The entire point of the New Testament is about love, how we're supposed to love others as we love ourselves and love those we despise. That's what 99% of Christians preach but don't follow |
tiesthatbind
10.08.10 | "so god hates that you're gay, but he loves you? that's not unconditional love then dude"
How is it not? It means that he loves the person but not the lifestyle. |
eternium
10.08.10 | No, the conversation is about what parts of Christianity we don't like and explaining why. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "how in the world did a jacob bannon art thread turn into a religious debate"
I have no clue. I came when it was already there |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | I subtracted my report a few minutes ago, sorry I forgot to mention that. To be honest, I think I've just had enough of the whole religious debate thing. However, I was only thinking about how I thought it would turn out. If you guys think questions are really being answered and that this is going somewhere, by all means keep your little discussion going. Sorry if I came off as a bit of a jerk, I guess I'm more tired than I realized I was :/ |
eternium
10.08.10 | The only reason I allowed this is because I absolutely love and get into debates like this. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "That's what 99% of Christians preach but don't follow"
where are you pulling these numbers? |
DiceMan
10.08.10 | Then why follow it at all? I thought the Bible was the Word of God and should be taken as such.
This is silly. I can be quoted in a book regardless of who writes it so why should God? |
eternium
10.08.10 | Thank you convict, because I actually like having a list of Jacob Bannon's artwork and don't want that deleted. |
Emim
10.08.10 | "so god hates that you're gay, but he loves you? that's not unconditional love then dude"
I'm sorry, bro, but you're not thinking clearly. You don't have a grasp on the concept at hand.
"so god hates that you're gay, but he loves you? that's not unconditional love then dude"
God says for his followers to pick blue, which they've already done. The decision to pick a color has never been up to anyone but you. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | I absolutely love and get into debates like this. [2]
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ShadowRemains
10.08.10 | ...and this is why we fight wars |
WhiteWallStargazers
10.08.10 | Oh I'm not saying it's fact, just personal observation/belief. . plus it was more of a general statement, then an attempt at fact..just my opinion buddy |
DiceMan
10.08.10 | I've also never read anywhere worth believing ever that God hates people who are gay. That's just humans being really really effin stupid. |
fr33convict
10.08.10 | I normally do to. Ask climactic, I've talked to him for well over six hours on AIM about it. The problem is Sputnik repeatedly shows a lack of control in these situations and it winds up being a religion bashing fest. However, this one is more civilized. You guys are free to continue. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | God says for his followers to pick blue, which they've already done. The decision to pick a color has never been up to anyone but you.
THIS!!!! |
eternium
10.08.10 | Most Christians are hypocrites. Hell, everyone is a hypocrite in some way.
"Christians are the most heartless people on the planet." However, you are making very inappropriate assumptions and stereotyping a billion and a half people as all the same. Then again, that's what you do. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | "...and this is why we fight wars"
without war, things wouldnt be so great. war can be just. its just usually not |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | Most Christians are hypocrites. Hell, everyone is a hypocrite in some way.
I agree, everyone is a hypocrite in their own way, so its kind of moot. |
WhiteWallStargazers
10.08.10 | Christians tend to be the most judgmental people, as ironic as that is ( and I'm not trying to bash christians, as I am one) |
eternium
10.08.10 | We clearly have different definitions of freedom. I will continue to choose my definition being that freedoms cannot be punished by authorities. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | without war, things wouldnt be so great.
i couldn't disagree more
way to ignore the other half, it went together. |
Emim
10.08.10 | "Christians are the most heartless people on the planet."
I wouldn't say Christians, but I would say anyone that uses something intended for good as a justification for whatever heinous acts they commit. One of my favorite quotes is "Some of the most despicable things ever committed were done in the name of God" |
DiceMan
10.08.10 | without war, things wouldnt be so great.
i couldn't disagree more
It really depends on when the absence of war is initiated. And exactly how you define war. |
eternium
10.08.10 | someguest, I know that most Christians are like that, but I've meet a few that are really kind and tolerant people. |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | We clearly have different definitions of freedom. I will continue to choose my definition being that freedoms cannot be punished by authorities.
Tolerated. (by my definition.) hahahaha! |
FrostbiteOblivion
10.08.10 | someguest, I know that most Christians are like that, but I've meet a few that are really kind and tolerant people.
A lot of them are actually |
DiceMan
10.08.10 | I've meet a few that are really kind and tolerant people.
^this^
Yeah some people are awful, but you're really just always going to get this no matter which spectrum of people you pick out. Humans are humans. Humans are flawed. Some more than others. |
Asiatic667
10.08.10 | I was raised a christian.I was homeschooled. I followed christianity. I got bored, and experienced new horizons, people, and fell in love with a wonderful non-christian girl. My views have changed. The Bible has a lot of good advice, but it IS flawed. I'm living my life MY way, doing the best I can. Wether I burn for eternity or not won't change any of this happiness.
Is god real? Easily could be, easily couldn't. Is he essential in living a happy, morally grounded life? Not really.
Just a simple opinion from a simple person. Hope that helps |
Live
10.08.10 | internet religious argument. smooth guys. |
