MalleusMaleficarum: Nba Free Agency

MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	Bulls, Cavs and Lakers tend to be the most widely reported landing spots for both these guys. Its gonna be interesting, thats for sure
Muisc4Life26 06.24.14	ugh i can't stand lebron
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	"Takin' my talents outta souf Beech. Payce."
kris. 06.24.14	i dont follow the NBA much but if Lebron lands in Chicago then lol
guitarded_chuck 06.24.14	gotta be the bulls cause lebron is mike reincarnated with a 1.43x multiplier
Satellite 06.24.14	melo = chicago bron = cleveland book it
Satellite 06.24.14	pistons need to clean house (everyone but drummond) over the next cpl yrs and go back to the bad boys unis and then maybe ppl here will remember they still exist
JS19 06.24.14	lebron aint necessarily leaving miami he just opted out of a renewal, he could still just negotiate a new contract with them
Satellite 06.24.14	yeah it makes no sense for him to stay, though. better opportunities to win elsewhere in the east, namely in cleveland (plus rumor has it his wife wants to move back home). wade clearly has little to nothing left at this point, and bosh is a nice complement but nowhere near what he was when he signed w/ the heat originally.
Satellite 06.24.14	i mean irving + wiggins/parker + new supplicant coach > living in miami and playing with no bench and what's left of dwyane wade.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	Wade and Riley currently crying in eachothers' arms
TheNexus100 06.24.14	lebron aint leaving miami melo will either stay in NY or go to houston
Satellite 06.24.14	houston's in the west smart money says melo to the bulls
Satellite 06.24.14	can't wait to see the heat bandwagon exodus once lebron inks elsewhere
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	one of em is gonna land in Chicago for sure
RoundOnEndHiInMiddle 06.24.14	I would love to see LBJ back in Cleveland, but I doubt that will happen. I think he stays with Miami for another year. Melo's going to Chicago, hands down.
stranger 06.24.14	"melo will either stay in NY or go to houston" lol no
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	"LeBron is an interesting one. Possibly Dallas. They have been waiting to sign a big name free agent. Pretty sure they will get Melo or LeBron." LBJ is too bitch (and quite frankly not stupid enough) to sign in the West
Satellite 06.24.14	wish the nhl free agency had this level of intrigue this summer instead it's "where will radim vrbata and mike cammalleri sign???"
YUJOS 06.24.14	Lebron stays in Miami. Melo may end in Chicago. Hope the Bulls though get K-Love instead of him.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	"wish the nhl free agency had this level of intrigue this summer instead it's "where will radim vrbata and mike cammalleri sign???" both drafts should be good though
Satellite 06.24.14	both drafts will be good, yeah. unforch the pistons are without a first rounder by virtue of incompetency. wings drafting in top 15 for first time in 20+ yrs tho.
Satellite 06.24.14	"Lebron definitely won't stay in Miami lol" pretty sure everyone who isn't a heat fan agrees w/ this
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	The Warriors were inches away from pulling the trigger on a deal for Kevin Love but apparently withdrew at the last moment. Wolves asking for Klay Thompson + 1st round pick in exchange for Love and Martin.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	seriously though, have the Warriors EVER had a good big?
YUJOS 06.24.14	"seriously though, have the Warriors EVER had a good big? " Chris Webber and they traded him..
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	lol
danielcardoso 06.24.14	I hope at least one of them can go to Chicago.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	Boozer and his contract need to fuck off though
treeqt. 06.24.14	hawks would make the best team with lebron
manosg 06.24.14	Today's superstars should grow some balls, stay where they are and fight adversity. Karl Malone (even though he left for a season when he was a billion years old) and John Stockton didn't win a ring but I respect them for staying in Utah and trying with all their heart.
YUJOS 06.24.14	^^^ That!!
GuanoBumbershoot 06.24.14	Doubt Lebron will ever land in Chicaca. Never say never, but I can bet he's intimidated by Jordan, and knows he'll never have a real legacy at this point. Starting to warm up to the Carmelo in red idea.
Calc 06.24.14	"Today's superstars should grow some balls, stay where they are and fight adversity. Karl Malone (even though he left for a season when he was a billion years old) and John Stockton didn't win a ring but I respect them for staying in Utah and trying with all their heart." different era son, it's not always the player's decision to leave either, like 95% of the time.
Satellite 06.24.14	"hawks would make the best team with lebron" nobody wants to play basketball in atl sry not ever gonna happen
Satellite 06.24.14	yeah players today should do what malone and stockton did and stay in one place and win a bunch of cham-- oh.
Relinquished 06.24.14	idk if lebron would leave all that $$$
Satellite 06.24.14	he already did
Calc 06.24.14	lebron I think has made it pretty clear that at this point he cares about MVPs and championships more than anything. melo (up until now I guess) has only cared about money.
Satellite 06.24.14	"it's not always the player's decision to leave either, like 95% of the time." yeah, "like 95%" of players opt out of their contract and sign with another team AGAINST THEIR WILL.
treeqt. 06.24.14	melo would fit much better anyway
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	LeBron didnt "leave" any money, lol. He only had 2 years left and his new deal will be a minimum of 4-5. He's only gaining money from this move.
Greyvy 06.24.14	lebron going to the wizards to style on everybody with wall and beal
manosg 06.24.14	"different era son, it's not always the player's decision to leave either, like 95% of the time." When it comes to superstars , I think it is the players' decision. Today's basketball players seem "smarter" because of all the different plays and stuff but are definitely weaker mentally and I think that's the main reason they leave their teams so easy. I just hope teams are influenced by San Antonio's example and try to build strong programs where players can flourish. And yeah, Malone and Stockton won zero championships but Malone is top 5 PF and Stockton arguably the best floor leader. So winning no rings didn't tarnish their legacy.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	No, you're wrong. It tarnished their legacy. They'd be held in even higher regard if they had a collection of rings. It cannot be denied.
Satellite 06.24.14	"LeBron didnt 'leave' any money" i know. was referring to the contract itself, not the money. he'll probably come closer to breaking even than making substantially more, though. his net worth is a quarter billion so his contract status really makes very little difference tbh.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	I was responding to Relinquished, but yeah.
Snake. 06.24.14	is the free agency for the nhl really not that interesting this year?
Satellite 06.24.14	http://deadspin.com/which-teams-should-really-consider-signing-lebron-1595284985 really good article listing the handful of teams interested in lebron
Satellite 06.24.14	oh whoops just used to us disagreeing about sports transactions ;)
Satellite 06.24.14	"is the free agency for the nhl really not that interesting this year?" http://capgeek.com/ufa-finder/ yes really.
Satellite 06.24.14	just the way it is now in the nhl, though. guys like crosby and ovechkin never become ufa's.
Snake. 06.24.14	Jarome Iginla's not relevant anymore?
Satellite 06.24.14	sure he's relevant and still a great player. i'd love to see the wings sign him. but nobody's going to get excited about The Great Iginla Bidding War of 2014, ya know?
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	So, basically, if one of the top 5 players isn't a free agent, then its gonna be boring. Right Sat? Lol, I'm actually interested to see where a few of those guys land. Paul Stastny is a criminally underrated player. If the Avs don't keep him they might just take a step backwards because centre depth is important.
Satellite 06.24.14	dude i never said i wasn't interested! i said i "wish the nhl free agency had this level of intrigue this summer" because it doesn't. i'm interested in seeing where all of those guys land because i'm a hockey nerd, but--unlike in the nba--there's not going to be some massive shift of power in the league because of where guys like tomas vanek sign.
GuanoBumbershoot 06.24.14	Would be cool if Lebron went back to Cleveland just in time to keep his promise, and fulfill the prophecy just like Vader did.
manosg 06.24.14	"No, you're wrong. It tarnished their legacy. They'd be held in even higher regard if they had a collection of rings. It cannot be denied." How did it tarnish their career? Would Malone be the definite top PF or Stockton the unquestionable floor leader had they won a couple of rings? Certainly not for me. A lot of players retired without any rings in the Jordan era and if he hadn't retired for a couple of years Olajuwon would have probably retired without a ring.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	You suggested that their lack of rings didn't put them lower on the totem pole than they would be if they did have a collection of rings; thats what I disagreed with. I think it goes without saying that rings would've added a lot more to the prestige of the Stockton and Malone years, especially since some of those wins would've been over MJ.
manosg 06.24.14	Dunno man, I really respect them for their perseverance and strength of character because they decided to stay in a small market team even though they could have easily left. After all, only one team wins the championship each year and their supporting cast wasn't that special. On the other hand when Lebron calls it a day, those of us who witnessed him play from the beginning will always know that in order to win he had to team up with two superstars in their prime. Because of that, my respect and therefore Malone and Stockton's place in history are unquestionable.
Calc 06.24.14	malleus' point is spot on
GuanoBumbershoot 06.24.14	I'm gonna attempt at the Grey here... There's very little denying, that when it comes to pro sports, championships do provide to a players legacy. That Stockton and Malone never won will always be in peoples minds. It does have weight, but isn't everything. Stockton comes to mind as one of the best floor generals of all time. His 15 thousand career assists speaks for itself, and most likely won't be touched. Malone was without a doubt one of the most overall gifted big men of all time. They are both top 20 players all time at the very least, but never won it all.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	Good ol' Calc.
TheNexus100 06.24.14	dont see lebron leaving melo id be glad to see go though, even as a knicks fan. fuck him
Calc 06.24.14	I don't see him not leaving personally, they got absolutely stomped in the finals and I think it opened his eyes to his situation.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	I never said that Stockton and Malone shouldn't be respected for staying in Utah; I think it's great that they did. I just find it to be undeniable that their legacies would've been multiplied and magnified a lot more had they took down MJ for a few titles.
manosg 06.24.14	So how much higher would they rank for you?
RoyalImperialGuard 06.24.14	LeBron turns 30 in December.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	I'm more-so trying to look at it through the eye of general public, or basketball fans in general. Stockton already ranks as a top 3 PG to me without the titles. But I feel like he would be there for EVERYBODY, right down to the casual fans, if we had some documented footage of him and Malone lifting the O'Brien trophy a few times. The small market of Utah kind of restrains their popularity in a similar fashion to what happens in San Antonio. Duncan is clearly the best PF to play in the last 20 years but you'd never know it if you did a player popularity poll. And that's after a whole bunch of Spurs Championships. The Spurs aren't popular nationally. So, naturally, A lack of titles compounded with playing in Utah had to of slightly impacted their legacy when all was said and done. It doesn't change any of the statistics they individually recorded as players but it certainly alters the public perception.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	So using that comparison of Utah and San Antonio, wouldn't Duncan/Parker's legacy be greatly reduced if you were to take the rings away from them and leave them only with their individual player stats?
manosg 06.24.14	I get your point and agree to an extend. If Duncan hadn't won 5 rings he wouldn't be the "best PF ever" and Parker and Ginobili probably wouldn't be as highly regarded. But even after all those rings, I don't think many people would put Parker over Stockton. Gary Payton was a legend even before the ring with Shaq. Pippen has double the rings that Bird has and Chamberlain has only two but the dude was a nuclear weapon. Great basketball players lose rings because of various reasons. So I definitely agree that rings cement one's place in history and play a role but people tend to overreact and overrated/underrate players because of that.
SitarHero 06.24.14	"Today's superstars should grow some balls, stay where they are and fight adversity. Karl Malone (even though he left for a season when he was a billion years old) and John Stockton didn't win a ring but I respect them for staying in Utah and trying with all their heart." Malone and Stockton didn't leave Utah because there was simply no place for them to go to have a better shot at winning a championship in the '90s. They were on a great team but there was a better team around. Adversity is one thing, management incompetence is completely another.
Satellite 06.24.14	http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11130490/detroit-pistons-sacramento-kings-discussing-josh-smith-trade plz be this stupid, sacremento
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	Apparently it was Detroit that called the trade off.
Satellite 06.24.14	yeah just read that, ugh. apparently stan thinks he can get something of value in return for average joe. i'd settle for jason terry and a 3rd rd pick.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	That would be an absurd salary dump
Satellite 06.24.14	absurdly awesome yeah (also impossible). not like they're gonna win dick this yr anyway.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	Awesome for Detroit obviously but is there an organization stupid enough to take on that contract while expelling zero of their own salary cap I dunno.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.24.14	oh right those types of trades are illegal in the nba arent they? you have to match salaries n all that?
Satellite 06.24.14	i was hyperbolizing dude. there's also no 3rd rd in the draft.
Satellite 06.24.14	i never know tbh (the nba is my 4th favorite league) but espn usually has a handy trade calculator for hypothetical moves. edit: here it is... http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
MalleusMaleficarum 06.25.14	oh haha sweet
EyesWideShut 06.26.14	Bron aint leaving Miami and if Melo's smart he'll go to the Bulls
MalleusMaleficarum 06.26.14	no lebron talk for the rest of the night, its draft time
EyesWideShut 06.26.14	i hope the Bucks make the right choice.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.26.14	the Bucks have no choice in the matter lol it'll be either Wiggins or Parker based on who the Cavs leave on the table
MalleusMaleficarum 06.26.14	Cavs take Wiggins. Bucks take Parker.
EyesWideShut 06.26.14	Exum is who i want to see more than anyone
MalleusMaleficarum 06.26.14	because of the mystique, yeah lmao at embiids face when he got drafted
Greyvy 06.26.14	entry level list
EyesWideShut 06.26.14	lmao the woke him up
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	lol greyvy
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	1) What the fuck is Masai Ujiri doing? 2) Masai Ujiri better find a way to get Tyler Ennis on our team 3) Why the fuck hasn't anyone drafted Cleanthony Early? 4) Fuck off Ujiri, acquire either Ennis or Early you dumb prick
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	Raptors lol
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	Our progress could be greatly diminished if Lowry leaves though
EyesWideShut 06.27.14	Lowry's heat uni is already for sale.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	BUT the Heat just got Napier though
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	Cleanthony Early though
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	i dont understand why the Raps had to make such an obscure fucking pick with so much talent still on the board. ridiculous.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	lol fran
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	i love giannis mainly cuz hes greek but nah hes awesome
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	fuckin knicks got him, lovely
klap 06.27.14	disappointed magic didn't take vonleh. those hands.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	holy fuck Tavares is a specimen
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	wow no one drafted Fair or Bachynsky
stranger 06.27.14	nice gesture by the nba and sixers to symbolically draft players with injuries that will keep them from holding up physically in the nba when they took austin and embiid, respectively. class act.
Inveigh 06.27.14	Being a long time Bulls fan, I have no confidence whatsoever in GarPax landing Melo, Bron or Love Although I will be ecstatic if any of them happen
Satellite 06.27.14	nick stauskas is the next steph curry bill simmons nearly cried when the heat traded for napier
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	stauskas is the man canada had a good showing in this draft
SPRFanOf5H 06.27.14	Lebron got what he wanted, and as a Heat fan I too got what I hoped the team would acquire. Napier is a beast, his size may be worrying but his offensive skills are incredible. Shocked he even fell this far back in the first, thought he be top 10 for sure. Lebron may be lured back to Miami because of this, and hell Napier should be pleased with this. Gets to enjoy South Beach instead of dull Charlotte, even though I do like the Hornets return back in the NBA.
klap 06.27.14	napier in top 10 lol
SitarHero 06.27.14	"nice gesture by the nba and sixers to symbolically draft players with injuries" Ha! I'm assuming you are being sarcastic about Embiid. Dude has too much potential to be ignored. It was probably worth the risk for the Sixers, with Carter-Williams out on the perimeter and Embiid in the blocks.
EyesWideShut 06.27.14	LOLZ when they said Embiid is the best center in the draft since Greg Oden
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	go check out Odens college stats, noob
Calc 06.27.14	being that tall is bad for your health but good for your wallet
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	ayyy just got mentioned on the air by tim and sid. /onlycanadiansknowtimandsid
GuanoBumbershoot 06.27.14	there was, at the time, legitimate reasons to take Oden over KD
guitarded_chuck 06.27.14	kesler to the ducks
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	ducks raped them hard
GuanoBumbershoot 06.27.14	you got a shout out from Tim and Sid??
guitarded_chuck 06.27.14	tim's cool sid's kind of annoying at times
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	yea Tim mentioned one of my tweets and spent a solid 6 min refuting what I was saying haha what a noob
SPRFanOf5H 06.27.14	Anybody see the NBA make that Baylor player who's half-blind an honorary draft pick? He was supposed to go and get drafted but he got diagnosed with Marfan syndrome which ended his basketball career. Classy move by the NBA and Adam Silver there.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	yeah that was the highlight of the night tbh also i just typed out a 3 paragraph response to your post Futures but my ipad had a network error when i pressed post and it erased it all.. so fuk
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	long story short: the tweet was about the nba draft. tim and sid were defending bruno while denouncing napier. i called them out on the irony of that. the longer version of the story was way cooler tho.
GuanoBumbershoot 06.27.14	The Brazilian Kevin Durant. 2 years away from being 2 years away lol. Tim likes to pull his best Bob Mcowen from time to time, by attempting to completely shit on and "embarrass" a fans opinion.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.27.14	Jeff Blair is bad with that too
klap 06.28.14	yeah pretty positive lebron is returning to Heat. both haslem and wade opted out
MalleusMaleficarum 06.28.14	yeah it looks pretty much locked in now but will Bosh be traded?
Inveigh 06.28.14	the question is will they get Melo or Paul Gasol too?
Inveigh 06.28.14	or trade for Kevin Love somehow?
MalleusMaleficarum 06.28.14	Lol @ Paul Gasol
lucasjcockcroft 06.28.14	Miami, and New York Melo isn't taking a pay cut, and Lebron can only go to Cleveland without damaging his image more.
klap 06.28.14	i don't think they're going to get love or pau or melo, and, honestly, i don't think they should try to. they just need to get solid role players at a cheaper price (i.e., not washed up battier or projects that won't turn around), not another star and then fill out their bench with a bunch of scrubs
GuanoBumbershoot 06.28.14	Really starting to believe Melo coming to Chicago is the ideal spot for both parties. Having your big 3 at the 1, 3, and 5 seems like the perfect balance of strengths, especially considering each players strengths. In short, the 1 scores and feeds the 3, and Joakim does everything else. I believe they'd play ridiculously well off of eachother, and create fits for other teams on defense. I can't see Melo working in the Houston system. In Chicago, I think there'd be better team synergy, and greater potential for a championship. Now, it's just waiting to see if the front office can actually pull something off.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.28.14	they would definitely need to get rid of Boozer first
GuanoBumbershoot 06.28.14	That'd only be the start. They'd certainly have to unload another piece or 3, depending on how they go about getting him. I really believe he's the best of the available superstars/all-stars for the team.
TheNexus100 06.28.14	fuck melo. hope he leaves
GuanoBumbershoot 06.28.14	So do I. To Chicagooo.
SPRFanOf5H 06.28.14	Wade, Bosh and Haslem only opted out to save cap space for Miami, it's pretty obvious. Bosh and Wade stated numerous times that they want to stay in Miami, even during the recent Finals vs. SA. Apparently Lebron wants the max if he wishes to remain in Miami, which I won't lie is pretty fucking selfish because they need another star player to win the title again and this stands in the way of that. The Big 3 make enough from endorsements, is sacrificing a few million dollars an issue on your contract? Hopefully FA goes mighty fine for the Heat, they need to reacquire the Big 3 and another star player like Melo. Apparently Miami was gonna trade Cole for Kyle Lowry, but idk what happened there.
GuanoBumbershoot 06.28.14	If the Heat need Melo, Lowry, or another star/fringe star....they're the biggest joke of a "dynasty" team of all time. All they need is Shabazz and one of two role players to be serviceable.
Calc 06.28.14	"is sacrificing a few million dollars an issue on your contract?" lol don't even pretend like you have any idea of the kinds of financial decisions these people have to make. a few million dollars? MILLION?!?!!? if he's good enough to get his money, he should get his money, he's been carrying every damn team he's been on for a decade.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.28.14	"If the Heat need Melo, Lowry, or another star/fringe star....they're the biggest joke of a "dynasty" team of all time. All they need is Shabazz and one of two role players to be serviceable." first of all, Miami isn't going after Carmelo. second of all, I cant believe you would call a team a joke for trying to improve. Thats actually hilarious. Miami needs a PG because Chalmers is terrible and Lebron is tired of having to be the unspoken PG and SF/PF all at the same time. They need a real PG. Norris Cole doesnt fit the bill. If they get Lowry, watch the fuck out. Napier is ideal only as a backup and probably will be for the next 2-3 years.
YoYoMancuso 06.28.14	Lovin the Ennis pick by Phoenix
MalleusMaleficarum 06.28.14	yeah really screwed over the Raps with that one
GuanoBumbershoot 06.28.14	"first of all, Miami isn't going after Carmelo. second of all, I cant believe you would call a team a joke for trying to improve. Thats actually hilarious. Miami needs a PG because Chalmers is terrible and Lebron is tired of having to be the unspoken PG and SF/PF all at the same time. They need a real PG. Norris Cole doesnt fit the bill. If they get Lowry, watch the fuck out. Napier is ideal only as a backup and probably will be for the next 2-3 years." I'm all for teams improving dude. That's precisely why I'm tickled by the idea of Melo or another superstar coming to Chicago. I have a huge hate boner for the Heat based on what they've meant in the past, as far as Chicago not having the chance to lift the Larry. I know what they still (probably) mean in that respect. I'm aware of Wade's knees and everyone disappearing on Lebron in this years finals. I just don't see a realistic need for another star on that team to get it done. If it happens, it happens, and I'll always ultimately respect a team improving. Purely as a fan, I just can't stand the Heat, so just let me have that one.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	I'm not a Heat fan by any means. Bash them all you want. : )
lucasjcockcroft 06.29.14	"if he's good enough to get his money, he should get his money, he's been carrying every damn team he's been on for a decade." LeBron has had fantastic teams the last 7 years
klap 06.29.14	um his cavs teams were terrible. i wouldn't call mo williams and a washed up shaq and jamison as a great team
klap 06.29.14	also fucking lol @ this jason kidd situation. can't give that guy the keys to anything
Sleaper 06.29.14	i find it fucking hilarious people see the cavs as an actual possibility. Why on earth would he want to play for a team that A) sucks B) city hates him C) has no friends in? when he could play with his bros Cp3 or d-wade. also hoping melo stays in NYC. Hoping lebron goes to clippers. and D-Wade and bosh stay in miami
klap 06.29.14	bosh won't stay in miami if lebron leaves. not that he's going to but hypothetically
Inveigh 06.29.14	most of those cavs teams were pretty rough, i mean mo williams, jamison, varejao, delonte, big z etc were ok but wouldn't have been better than an 8 seed without bron
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	LOL did you just say that lebron has no friends in cleveland
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	1) those cavs teams DID suck. 2) melo IS staying in NY 3) bron is NOT leaving miami 4) jason kidd IS a fucking lunatic
Inveigh 06.29.14	^agree with all of those, except maybe the melo/NY thing. i'm not saying he definitely stays, i just think it's still within the realm of possibility
SPRFanOf5H 06.29.14	The Jason Kidd situation is hilarious, he's only had one year of coaching experience yet he demands to have a front office role too? A bit ridiculous but he has done well in his first year with Paul and Kevin, they aren't at their finest but they managed to do okay. @Futures: apparently Kidd wouldn't be HC if he leaves for Milwaukee, because Larry Drew is still the man currently. Fortunately for you he won't be in any coaching role should he bail.
klap 06.29.14	prokhorov is going to promote him to president of a siberian work camp. 5 day sunlight bonus/year
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	"Fortunately for you he won't be in any coaching role should he bail." Ummm I wouldnt exactly want Kidd as my GM either loool
lucasjcockcroft 06.29.14	"lebron never had a "fantastic team" when he was on the cavs" Old Shaq is still Shaq, even if he wasn't good, Drew Gooden was a top 5 pick and a decent player, Big Z was a very good player, Larry Hughes was was coming off a 22 6 and 4 year when they signed him, Mo Williams had back to back 17 and 6 years before they signed him, Ben Wallace was old but still the best defensive player of his era. Varejao, Anthony Parker was Euroleague MVP I think, and JJ hickson An NBA team doesn't win 66 games, or make the finals with "no help" The Cavs were very good, they just lacked a true #2, but that may have been LeBrons fault
klap 06.29.14	are you fucking kidding me? all of those players you listed are, in no way shape or form, all-stars or adequate helpers. lebron is the reason they won that many games. period
lucasjcockcroft 06.29.14	I may be trying to overstate my claim a little. LeBron isn't good enough to make a team win 66 games by himself, no player has ever been that good
DominionMM1 06.29.14	alright just shut the fuck up everyone let's talk about a sport that actually matters
lucasjcockcroft 06.29.14	do the Falcons turn it around this year?
DominionMM1 06.29.14	no. shit qb with no depth. plus their best defensive player is done for the year. 3rd place in the division is the best they can hope for.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	Brandon Flowers signed with the enemy. We're gonna burn his ass. Twice.
klap 06.29.14	matt ryan shit qb lol k
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	well hes not top-tier
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	QBs I would rather have: Luck Brady Manning Rodgers Wilson Kaepernick Newton Rivers MAYBE: Foles So I mean yeah certainly not top-tier lol
GuanoBumbershoot 06.29.14	What about Brees and Roethlisberger?
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	"so yeah top 10" nah not really his stats have been inflated by having the best overall receiving core his whole career. hes heavily overrated tbh. weak arm. congrats though youve had the benefit of throwing to roddy white julio jones and tony gonzalez your entire career
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	I forgot Brees. My bad. I think Ben is too run-down physically nowadays lol but yeah I mean hes still got more talent than Ryan
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	lets see a list of these top weapons lol you mean glass gronk? or the 1 season of having randy moss? lol
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	more than 1 year of moss oops muh bad
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	brady has been in the league for 15 years and thats all you got though? i coulda swore you said hes had top weapons his whole career. shrug. welker was good but hes a slot receiver. he only got the ring once moss was there too, didnt he? i mean its kind of common knowledge that brady has a track record of turning average receivers into great ones. he made deion branch and troy brown look like jerry rice sometimes. give me a break, comparing him to matt ryan. lmaao. ryan has been spoiled from his opening day with nothing but big and athletic receivers who can go and get balls.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	brady has been in the league for 15 years and had maybe 1 or 2 "superstar" receivers in that time. ryan has already had 3 at his disposal and projects to have more if ATLs history suggests anything. it displays the different plane the two QBs are on and supports my argument for Ryan being outside the top 10 in terms of talent (obviously not stats)
GuanoBumbershoot 06.29.14	I'd say Brady's only had any real elite-level options since the year they had Welker and Moss. Then they drafted Gronk and Hernandez. Hernandez is no longer there for obvious reasons, and Gronk is starting to look injury prone. Last year, Brady's options were two rookies and the revolving door or Amendola and Edleman. Before Welker and Moss, his only notworth receiver was Dion Branch.
SPRFanOf5H 06.29.14	Damn topic changed quick. All I can say is hopefully with Aaron Rodgers' QB coach now the new OC for the Giants that Eli can rebound from his horrid 2013 season. The O-line looks improved from OTAS but time will tell in the preseason to show that. Defensive secondary could certainly rival Seattle's Legion of Boom, but chemistry has to show if there is any chance of them being great. The running game will improve certainly with Rashad Jennings the likely starter, and Heisman finalist Andre Williams will be fantastic for red-zone situations. Thank god tho New York only went 7-9 in 2013, after going 0-6 I thought we'd lose at least another 6-7 but to finish 7-3 to end last year was nice. 10-11 wins is the mimimal if you wanna reach the playoffs, especially with a NFC East that is pretty much open division title-wise.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	"i'm saying when gronk, hernandez and welker all played together they were a top receiving core" nah actually you said that brady has had top weapons his "whole career" but ok
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	if the Giants find a way to make the playoffs with their current situation I'll be amazed then again its the NFC East
JJOMan 06.29.14	You are either severely overestimating the giants secondary or severely underestimating the seahawks secondary or both. The giants aren't even close to their level.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	agreed
GuanoBumbershoot 06.29.14	Brady won super bowls without an even above average receiving core and a good defense. Moss's career seemed to be in retrograde, he suited up for Brady, and they broke records. Welker went from a good slot receiver to an unstoppable one. He slightly changed the landscape of the game with the Gronk and Hernandez hook up. That's pure QB skill and IQ over having elite weapons. Matt Ryan lost his targets, and we all know what happened.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	agreed completely; Thank you for providing my angle with such good support : )
PorcelainRain 06.29.14	Many would argue with many valid points that Carmelo Anthony would bring an all time low in team chemistry in the Tom Thibodeau Bulls team.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	yeah but a lot of people also consider Thibs to be the best coach in the game (excluding Pop because he's Pop)
Inveigh 06.29.14	if Melo comes to the Bulls, it will be because he's already bought into their overall concepts (i.e. Thibs' concepts) and team chemistry regarding the QB thing i.e. Matty Ice, yeah he's not top tier. I've watched Jay Cutler for 5 years now in Chicago and there's no way I'm trading him for Matt Ryan. Not that Cutty's elite, just that I think he's still superior to Matt Ryan.
GuanoBumbershoot 06.29.14	Gonna make a shot in the dark that your a Chicago native Inveigh. From the quotes I've read, seems like Carmelo has nothing but respect for Thibs and the wining culture he's created in Chicago. Obviously that doesn't exactly translate to him buying into the concept individually, but it's certainly something.
Inveigh 06.29.14	yeah I'm a Chicago guy, I'll be 29 in a few weeks and have lived here since 16 so it's the area I identify with. been a huge Bulls fan my whole life though. I think Melo would be a great fit here (and even more than Kevin Love, for a variety of reasons), but until I see it happen I can't put faith into the idea of the Bulls signing him. our biggest FA signings in history have been Ron Mercer, Ben Wallace and Carlos Boozer. I'm not sure if it's ownership/management, MJ's shadow, D-Rose not recruiting, cold weather or a combination of all of them, but we're not a premier destination for the traditional NBA star.
GuanoBumbershoot 06.29.14	"our biggest FA signings in history have been Ron Mercer, Ben Wallace and Carlos Boozer. I'm not sure if it's ownership/management, MJ's shadow, D-Rose not recruiting, cold weather or a combination of all of them, but we're not a premier destination for the traditional NBA star." I agree 100% on him being the best fit for the team man. Kevin Love is a double double machine, but we need a pure scorer who can get it done lone wolf at times. That's something I don't quite think Love would solve. Also share your slight distrust of the front office getting a big name in Chicago. I think MJ's shadow played big on not getting James the year we signed Booz. Also think the question mark on Rose might play in, and I'm sure some players are turned off by the idea of Thibs riding them hard everyday. I just hope this is the year where our winning culture and core pieces is enough to lure a big fish.
Inveigh 06.29.14	are you from the area dude? agreed on Love, he'd be a good fit and I'd be happy to get him, but he can't iso (which is something I usually hate about the NBA game, but even the Spurs have more than one guy that can iso on the wing), and we need that. plus he's even worse on D than Melo, he's basically a younger, better Carlos Boozer with a 3 point shot and better passing/court vision (which admittedly, is much better than Carlos Boozer). but he routinely leaves his man on D to pad his rebounding stats and has never been to the playoffs. Melo is a much better fit for the Bulls needs, even if we have to give up Taj in a S&T to get him.
klap 06.29.14	you forget to mention that Ryan had a shit o-line as well; Brady's o-line during his super bowl years was always one of the pats strengths. Ryan's line last year (26 TDs, 17 INT, 4500 yds, 89.6 rating) isn't exactly terrible when his lead WR was hobbled all year and he was making due with harry fucking douglas and being harassed by a pass rush every single time. oh and the running game was atrocious - coordinators knew he had to pass, and he still put up numbers
Inveigh 06.29.14	you can totally win a Super Bowl with Matt Ryan, but he's more like an Eli Manning with more discipline, to me.
klap 06.29.14	cutler has a nicer arm than Ryan but there's no way in hell i'd take him for anything else over ryan
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	of course you can win a SB with Matt Ryan but a lot more pressure would have to be taken off the offense ie: ATL would need to invest in something called defense.
klap 06.29.14	thank you. ryan isnt the problem with the falcons. the defense, by far, is
Inveigh 06.29.14	I see the argument both ways. you need a strong team around either guy, and they win games different ways. Ryan wins games by sitting back and waiting to strike when the time is right, and can rack up tons of points doing that because he's good at it. Cutler is capable of dominating, or completely losing a game for you. but he's also more capable of leading comebacks and making "moment" type plays than Ryan. all my opinion, of course.
Inveigh 06.29.14	I agree Matty Ice isn't their problem, he's a franchise-level starter (which means he is capable of leading a super bowl offense), and you don't let those go. same reason Cutler isn't the problem with the Bears.
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	I dont really see Cutler and Ryan as comparable cases; Cutler is more of a gunslinger imo.
Inveigh 06.29.14	yea completely different players, but same level in terms of overall value imo
GuanoBumbershoot 06.29.14	"are you from the area dude?" No dude, born in Toronto, lived in Ontario my whole life. Grew up on Jordan and Pippen's Bulls though, so I guess part of my heart is in the Windy City. I agree with everything you said man, as painful as it would be to see Gibson leave after the warrior he's been for us. I even became somewhat attached to T. Snell last year, so even seeing him go would suck. I'll never forget that slam in Orlando.
klap 06.29.14	i'm obviously simplifying things here but http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm
Inveigh 06.29.14	haha yeah man, I do have love for Tony Snell. and I think his old teammate that we got in the 2nd round might make the roster. never been to Toronto, but I actually hear it's a fairly similar city to Chicago (I guess some movies that take place here film a lot in Toronto because it looks a lot alike). I have a similar Bulls fandom history since I grew up in Atlanta in the late 80s and 90s, but mainly rooted for the Bulls and Bears over the Hawks and Falcons.
Inveigh 06.29.14	well yeah definitely considering how much Cutler's been hurt, how unbelievably, you-don't-know-unless-you-watched bad his o-lines have been, and how little help he had in terms of receives/TEs until Marshall got here. I think they're very close, both borderline top 8 QBs, but I like Cutler a hair more. he's tough as nails and ice cold in the heat of the moment. maybe Ryan is too and I just haven't seen it in the games I've watched. but I love me some Jay Cutler.
klap 06.29.14	i probably have a vendetta against cutler for fucking me over in fantasy so many times
klap 06.29.14	and yeah chicago's o-lines have been horrendous. Falcons were pretty atrocious last year as well. this will be a good year to compare as bears arguably have the better receiving pair now and both teams upgraded their lines (at least i think chicago did....i hope)
Inveigh 06.29.14	Chicago's line last year was actually pretty damn good, even with a rookie right side. They're back together this year so they should be even better, I would project them as a top 10 o-line. also yeah Marshall/Jeffrey plus M. Bennett is as good of a top 3 receiving threat that there is, up there with Atlanta, Denver, etc. so no excuses there either. not to mention Forte. but if you look at hits per drop back from like 2009-2012, you will see why Cutler's numbers looked really bad at times. I still have a little love for the Falcons from growing up in ATL, and I still even had some gear through the Vick era. will love watching Hard Knocks this year.
GuanoBumbershoot 06.29.14	ahha ya dude, it must be awesome to be a sports fan in Chicago. I'm a Leafs fan, so I haven't had the pleasure of watching my team hoist the cup in my lifetime. Bairstow does seem like he could become a solid player. Do you think we traded up for McDermott just to use him as a trade piece?
MalleusMaleficarum 06.29.14	noooo wayy. Dougy is a Bull because they needed the offensive boost on the wings
klap 06.29.14	definitely. all those hits contribute to the games cutler has missed as well. i think that's a side effect of his playmaking mentality, he'll tend to hold on to the ball for too long occasionally. ryan gets it out fairly quickly and definitely doesn't get hit as much overall. falcons-wise i am just hoping the pass rush comes together this year or else we are screwed in the south
Inveigh 06.29.14	no I doubt it, he's a GarPax/Thibs type of guy. plus Thibs coached him on the national team and he's from the same town in Iowa as Gar, they love the dude. Chicago's a great sports town, and I've lived in a shitty one (Atlanta) and another good one (St. Louis). Chicago's the best. I don't align solely with either Cubs or Sox (love em both, just want to see Chicago teams win), and it's been great watching the Blackhawks the last 5 years.
Inveigh 06.29.14	yeah the south is a rough division klap. if you watch cutler closely he has this weird neck/head twitch thing he does which I think is a by product of all the hits over the years lol
GuanoBumbershoot 06.29.14	"no I doubt it, he's a GarPax/Thibs type of guy. plus Thibs coached him on the national team and he's from the same town in Iowa as Gar, they love the dude." K, good. He was the guy I wanted in this draft. When I saw the proposed trade, I clapped my hands so hard that my palms hurt for like a good 35 seconds.
Inveigh 06.29.14	hate that we had to take Anthony Randolph back in the trade though
klap 06.29.14	kind of gave up a lot for him imo but bulls really do need shooting
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	so guys.... i thought lebron was staying in miami ?????????
Relinquished 07.11.14	cleveland's gonna go big if they score a couple more good players
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	Lebron + Wiggins sheeeeiiiiittt
Relinquished 07.11.14	they could score allen too damn next season will be pretty fun
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	my friend is tryna tell me the Cavs will trade Wiggins now lolwutwhy
RoundOnEndHiInMiddle 07.11.14	So happy right now lol. I can't wait for next season.
Satellite 07.11.14	"Satellite 06.24.14 melo = chicago bron = cleveland book it" halfway there
Satellite 07.11.14	nah they'll end up trading thompson + others + draft picks to minnesota for love, not wiggins tho
manosg 07.11.14	"my friend is tryna tell me the Cavs will trade Wiggins now " Don't think so. Lebron is the perfect PF for Blatt's system. The Cavs will be pretty good next year in a weak East.
CoolCalmJoe 07.11.14	Help my dumb meme go viral. http://tinypic.com/r/34yzl2h/8
CoolCalmJoe 07.11.14	Kyrie Irving = most overrated pg in the league, right guys?
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	yeah i think a package of Thompson + Waiters + draft picks might just be able to get Love put of Minny
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	he basically skipped college so
Satellite 07.11.14	easily the best pg lebron has ever played with
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	whos second place? mo williams? lol
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	werd is bawnd nickel
CoolCalmJoe 07.11.14	Irving for Love and Rubio. Clear out some cap space and get Love. Who cares if Rubio is on pace to be the worst shooter in NBA history.
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	lol
CoolCalmJoe 07.11.14	Jk, but would be fun to watch lobs to Lebron and Wiggins.
StallionMang 07.11.14	LBJ + Wiggins + Irving = the new Big 3
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	pretty sure Irving can and will be throwing plenty of lobs go Bron and Wiggins.
lucasjcockcroft 07.11.14	"Irving for Love and Rubio." thats fair they should leave Love alone, I'd rather have Thompson and Waiters Irving Waiters Wiggins James Varejao with Thompson, Dellavedova and Bennett as the 2nd team is mean. that's young, athletic and everyone besides Waiters will know their role.
EyesWideShut 07.11.14	disappointing we lost Bron, but we did keep Bosh and Wade along with McBob and some money to spend.. We could be at least competitive in the east.
MalleusMaleficarum 07.11.14	playoffs should still be easily attainable
EyesWideShut 07.12.14	bro, if MIA beat the Spurs again, do you think Bron still leaves ? From that SI article it seems he had this in mind for some time now.
Satellite 07.12.14	actually it makes it seem like it was something he hadn't thought about much at all until after the season. because that's what he said.
MalleusMaleficarum 07.12.14	Cleveland has been waiting patiently since 1964 for something to celebrate athletically.
MalleusMaleficarum 07.12.14	sorry Bulls fans; Melo is staying in NY
Inveigh 07.12.14	yeah it's a total bummer, but I don't really blame Melo. i blame the Bulls for not creating any cap space to at least pose a threat to sign him outright (thereby forcing the Knicks to S&T him with a max contract).
SitarHero 07.13.14	Aight. Who saw 'Bron to Cleveland coming?
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	Gasol and Noah in the frontcourt is enough as long as that anus D-Rose doesn't twist his ankle again as usual Phoenix is doing nothing in the free-agent market :[
Inveigh 07.13.14	i think a lot of people saw it coming, but not many thought it would happen this year, at least not until the last week or two
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	Miami will be fine! They replaced Lebron with Luol Deng and Josh McRoberts!
SitarHero 07.13.14	I'm not worried about Miami, I just wonder what the hell Bron was thinking going back to play for that bonehead Dan Gilbert. Cavs gonna be fun to watch next season, but they aren't gonna win shit.
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	Miami is going to be no higher than a 6 seed this year and even that's pushing it
NordicMindset 07.13.14	well, Melo's returning!
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	This is getting me really re-interested in basketball though
SitarHero 07.13.14	I think Wiggins is overrated. Seems like his upside right now is Shawn Marion; great defense at 3-4 positions, maybe knock down the open jumper or throwdown in traffic on cuts and lobs, but absolutely zero shot-creation. But who knows, maybe he works on it and turns into TMac 2.0
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	"I just wonder what the hell Bron was thinking going back to play for that bonehead Dan Gilbert." I think Lebron has matured to a point where he doesnt see it as 'playing for Dan Gilbert', but rather he sees it as playing for his hometown and doing what he can to bring that desolate franchise a championship or two.
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	"I think Wiggins is overrated. Seems like his upside right now is Shawn Marion; great defense at 3-4 positions, maybe knock down the open jumper or throwdown in traffic on cuts and lobs, but absolutely zero shot-creation." Interesting take. Personally I think he can/will only guard 2s and 3s. Not even a bit strong enough to guard 4s. I also think you're selling him waaayyyyy short offensively by comparing him to Marion. Yes, Marion had some good offensive seasons, but that was all because of Mister Canada. My point being: Wiggins will be a great offensive threat in the league.
SitarHero 07.13.14	All of Marion's 20+ point seasons were with a HoF pg. First Kidd, then Nash. Marion came into the league as a SF and I remember there being talk of him developing into a legitimate SG, but he just didn't develop that way and it later became unnecessary during the small-ball 7 seconds or less era. I think Wiggins is long and quick enough to guard 1's in a pinch, and maybe switch up to PF against stretch-4's, especially since he's got a pretty decent frame and will probably bulk up. He's already a decent shooter and his shot mechanics are waaaay better than Marion's ever was (although, whose isn't?), but right now he can't dribble with his left hand and I just don't see him with the ability to put the ball on the floor like comparable athletes such as Rudy Gay. But on the flip side, he's gonna be playing with at least 2 terrific playmakers in Kyrie and Bron, so maybe he won't ever have to dribble the ball, or he might learn from them.
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	Marion was my favorite player back in the day, plus he put on a killer performance in the playoffs this year
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	Parker should have been the #1 pick though, Milwaukee and Cleveland played in the summer league and Parker tore it up
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	you're basing who should've went first on summer league? LOL
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	he was guarding Wiggins
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	Its fucking summer league lol get serious
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	indeed you appear to be extremely serious about this
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	Seriously dumbfounded by your logic if thats what you meant
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	i've been a casual fan for the past like 5 years, I really wanna get into NBA again so if I say anything stupid that's why
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	i know a lot of casual fans who watch summer league but yeah in all seriousness Parker seems more NBA ready at this moment in time and he also seems like a very mature person. Might get in trouble down the road for saying he wants to be a Buck forever, but yeah. Just think its hilarious to base anything on a summer league game
Inveigh 07.13.14	yeah summer league performances are rarely indicative of what happens in the regular season. it's more for practice squad players to prove themselves. that being said Wiggins has the potential to be Tracy McGrady. Or he could be Stacy Augmon/Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Parker is a better ROY candidate, but his future is slightly more certain. A Paul Pierce-type scorer who might develop as a defender as he gets more experience, just like Pierce did. his floor is something like Glenn Robinson/Derrick Coleman.
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	you already have MKG in his coffin, eh? lol
Inveigh 07.13.14	hey stacy augmon was a great player. luol deng-esque, if you will. I can't see MKG being much better than that, really. Like a wing version of Marcus Camby.
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	Cant argue tbh
YoYoMancuso 07.13.14	I still think Nik Stauskas might have the most promising career out of this draft class
MalleusMaleficarum 07.13.14	He's Canadian so I should try to agree with you but I simply can't. He's basically JJ Redick with a bit more athleticism.
GuanoBumbershoot 07.13.14	Parker will be thrown to the wolves right away, with a bunch of deer around him. Wiggins was always seen as the messiah-like-potential player, where Parker has been seen as the instant translation. LeBron's back in town, so there should be little expectation for Andrew to step in and kill it right away. Wiggins has time to wiggle into his potential, while Parker's most likely gonna pad stats on the way to annihilation every night. Either way, Wiggins will win a helluva lot more games early on in his career.
klap 07.14.14	stauskas going to the kings is like the kiss of death unfortunately
NordicMindset 07.14.14	jeremy's a laker now
klap 07.14.14	don't you hate asians green baron
NordicMindset 07.14.14	Hating being Asian =/= hating Asians