North0House2
05.11.11 | Some stupid pastor dude said he predicted it. Lol, the Rapture. Dude, it's not even in the Bible, dunno why people assume it just happens. Those people that think they'll be taken back in 10 days are screwed when the 22nd comes and they're still sitting in their houses.
I read that one couple spent their entire life savings so that they could live until the 21, but they're done for afterwards.
I don't understand how someone could be so foolish. |
bungy
05.11.11 | So stoked |
Emim
05.11.11 | Mormons*
It's all because Harold Camping can't do math. |
tkxxx7
05.11.11 | you guys here about how 2012 isn't really 2012 lol |
tkxxx7
05.11.11 | hear* |
Gmork89
05.11.11 | I love how human beings think they are even close to capable of knowing things like this. |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | Apparently Jesus doesn't want me to be 16. My birthday is the 22nd. Fuck off Jesus. |
savagecabbage
05.11.11 | awesome |
pizzamachine
05.11.11 | NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR
HOW IS THIS HARD |
North0House2
05.11.11 | These people are seriously gonna be in for it on the 22nd. No joke. |
pizzamachine
05.11.11 | The imbeciles that believe they can predict when Jesus will return... are imbeciles. |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | It's a safer bet that I'll Cuming In 10 Days js. |
North0House2
05.11.11 | lol. |
Masochist
05.11.11 | What pizzamachine said...twice.
"I don't understand how someone could be so foolish."
Reminds me of that lady in India who committed suicide because she was so afraid that the Large Hadron Collider would create black holes that would destroy the world. |
North0House2
05.11.11 | People are so stupid sometimes. I mean, why commit suicide? Either way, if she was right, death is imminent, so just die by being sucked into a black hole... It'd be more fun anyway. |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | the human brain is |
AnotherBrick
05.11.11 | here ya go, you can check his math
"According to a Jan. 1, 2010 San Francisco Chronicle article, Camping determined the number five represented "atonement," the number ten represented "completeness" and the number 17 represented "heaven." He then took the number of years between Christ's crucifixion and April 1 of this year (1,978) and multiplied it by the number of days in a solar - as opposed to calendar - year (365.2422). Next, he took the number of days between April 1 and May 21 (51) and added that to the product of his previous multiplication. When he rounded the sum of that addition to the nearest whole number he got 722,500. This sum was the same as the product of (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) - which, in his method of numerology, is equivalent to the square of (atonement x completeness x heaven).
Simply put, his calculation with dates yields the same number - as long as he rounds one of the sums involved - as his numerological calculation. Camping believes the equivalence of these two numbers confirms the truth of his prophecy." |
AnotherBrick
05.11.11 | hahah i love the part "as long as he rounds one of the sums involved" |
Wolfhorde
05.11.11 | "Reminds me of that lady in India who committed suicide because she was so afraid that the Large Hadron Collider would create black holes that would destroy the world."
That should be on the Darwin awards. How ridiculously stupid can humans be? |
SeaAnemone
05.11.11 | same guy who predicted this was wrong when he predicted it in '96 or something and said he erred due to 'miscalculations' lol you should probably use a calculator when predicting humankind's demise
and yeah nevermind that it explicitly says in the bible that 'no one shall foresee the time and place of His second coming' or whatever
god works in mysterious (and incredibly vague and ever-changing) ways lol
but seriously I fuckin hate that saying more than any other
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cvlts
05.11.11 | im a christian and ill probably end up gettin shitfaced wasted on the 21st. sucks for you heathens |
tkxxx7
05.11.11 | "god works in mysterious ways" = every christian's argument to fall back on |
Gmork89
05.11.11 | I want to highlight a few lines to lol at...
"Large Hadron Collider would create black holes that would destroy the world."
"which, in his method of numerology"
"21 comes from number of letters in heaven"
"as long as he rounds one of the sums involved"
This thread rules.
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Satellite
05.11.11 | 123 sea
anyone who believes that the rapture is happening this month should send me all of their money |
Spec
05.11.11 | The bible even says no one will predict the second coming. I do however have an excuse to get sloshes that night though, alright! |
Satellite
05.11.11 | is paypal ok? |
Satellite
05.11.11 | wait so there are people who ACTUALLY believe this? like, people you guys know? |
Spec
05.11.11 | Lol no. |
Wolfhorde
05.11.11 | If someone I know would believe this I'd bludgeon him with a didgeridoo. |
cvlts
05.11.11 | i go to a christian university and we're all lol'ing at this. real talk. |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | "im a christian and ill probably end up gettin shitfaced wasted on the 21st. sucks for you heathens"
Only if the religions that prohibit alcohol consumption are wrong. |
cvlts
05.11.11 | ^what religion strictly prohibits alcohol consumption? |
Ovrot
05.11.11 | Hail Xenu |
renegadestrings
05.11.11 | if you want to be saved, come to FL and start burning more Qurans. God loves that shit |
Trebor.
05.11.11 | Mormons don't drink. |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | "what religion strictly prohibits alcohol consumption?"
Most Christian religions maintain a belief that alcohol is a gift from God that makes life more joyous, but that overindulgence leading to drunkenness is a sin even if they don't follow it. Specifically Southern Baptist, Seventh-day Adventists and Latter Day Saints are all Prohibitionist Christians.
Are you saying you can't believe there is a Christan sect that would believe that or that you are ignorant that there was such a thing? Do I truly need to list the additional religions outside of your own? |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | God's cool. |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | Depends on the version Eulogize. |
North0House2
05.11.11 | Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Morons..
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons.
Mormons. |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | Anyone God that kills is cool. And stuff. |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | I felt one more would be rubbing it in NH ;^) |
North0House2
05.11.11 | Wut |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | How do magnets work? |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | I'd tell you to check with a scientist but you can't trust those bastards. |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | True that. Stupid government conspiracies gettin' to ma head. |
BradMan
05.11.11 | Not going to happen...especially when it's being told by someone who wrongly predicted it before... |
bungy
05.11.11 | "Mormons*"
why are the Mormons being bashed here? |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | They are not, please scroll up sir. |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | HA, BradMan. You're wrong. When we're dead on the 21st and I'm in Heaven talking crap about you with God and Jesus you'll be cursing at the top of your lungs from Hell. |
Masochist
05.11.11 | Here's a BBC report on the LHC suicide (it wasn't a woman, it was a 16-year-old girl...and she wasn't afraid of Black Holes, she was afraid that the Earth would crumble apart because of it. Still, point stands):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7609631.stm |
UnnamedOcean
05.11.11 | Hmm good thing I don't believe in jesus. |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | This is an interesting topic. We need to keep this thread alive forever. |
Masochist
05.11.11 | UnnamedOcean - I do...but I definitely don't believe this. I don't believe any doomsday predictions, actually. If the world ends, we have the technology to predict it YEARS before it happens, no matter how it happens (unless it's by Rapture, in which case no one will know until it happens). |
MisterTornado
05.11.11 | FUCK STEVE HARVEY |
FatChickIrl
05.11.11 | Omg Im gonna use all my money on weed and smoke it all in 10 days |
North0House2
05.11.11 | "This is an interesting topic. We need to keep this thread alive forever."
one day we could resurrect it. |
botb
05.11.11 |
"NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR
HOW IS THIS HARD"
haahahaha i love this |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | Northouse you cheeky bastard you. |
FatChickIrl
05.11.11 | maybe in 10 days |
North0House2
05.11.11 | I'm so original. |
UnnamedOcean
05.11.11 | The only doomsday prediction I believe is that in 5 billion years the sun will become a red giant and that will be the end of Earth. Lol. |
FatChickIrl
05.11.11 | retard, read the bible |
North0House2
05.11.11 | I just think humanity will destroy itself. That's all I think. |
BigHans
05.11.11 | The entire point of Revealations is Christ does not say exactly when the rapture will happen. It makes every prediction from some ultra religious crackpot that much more moronic. |
North0House2
05.11.11 | *Revelations
Also, the concept of the Rapture does not even exist in the Bible, it's a falsified Christian doctrine. |
BigHans
05.11.11 | you mean the part in Revelations that talks in detail about the 2nd coming of Christ and the war between Heaven and Hell? I guess we'll have to call it something different then. |
North0House2
05.11.11 | Hahaha, no, I'm talking about the Rapture that the Christians believe in, the one where they just get taken out of all the crap before it happens.
If you study the Bible, it is certainly not in God's nature to just take his people out of strife. I mean, man, the Israelites had to go through some awful stuff. Somehow, Christians seem to feel as if they are superior and will just be taken out of it, which is just something that won't happen. According to the Bible, Jesus will come a second time, yes, but that is after Tribulation, unlike the pre-Tribulation Rapture that Christians believe in. |
BigHans
05.11.11 | in any event, not once does it say anywhere in Revelations when he plans on coming, which makes predictions by so called Bible followers absolutely absurd. The whole point is to be ambigious about when it is supposed to happen, lest everyone just starts behaving themselves right before it actually does. |
savagecabbage
05.11.11 | Odds are greater that you'll suffer a base pair substitution, frame shift mutation or continual errors in transcription and translation that will lead to a slow manifesting cancer in one of your seemingly healthy organs, tissues or glands. These will soon rise like an unstoppable reble force and kill your ass before you can even say treatment. Some will manifest so deeply into your own genetic code that treatment will just piss it off more. So waste your time fretting about bullshit whilst your organs and cells plot revenge on your very existence. I for one, will drink beer, listen to good tunes, and if Jesus comes back I'll ask him if he wants a cold one and probably asked why this world sucks so much asshole. |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | So many TL;DRs. I'm not wearing pants. |
North0House2
05.11.11 | Oh yeah? Well, I'm wearing pants. Beat that. |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | I have a shirt on? And boxers. Yeah boxers are cool. |
savagecabbage
05.11.11 | I fucking hate pants. They have almost turned me into a hermit. |
Masochist
05.11.11 | I'm on a horse. |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | Maybe if you wear shorts. |
Satellite
05.11.11 | Jesus Christ will resurrect
He's got his BMI royalty to collect |
Eulogize
05.11.11 | I'm doing the best I ever did
I'm doing the best that I can
I'm doing the best I ever did...
Why am I listening to Godsmack? |
savagecabbage
05.11.11 | Dudes we've been over this before, shorts are half as evil as pants. It's the zippers. |
tiesthatbind
05.11.11 | "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR
HOW IS THIS HARD"
Just gonna quote this again for truth |
iFghtffyrdmns
05.11.11 | the 21st is my buddy's 21st birthday
AWWHHHH SHIT WE GONNA PARTY WITH JESUS |
omnipanzer
05.11.11 | Why is he listening to Godsmack? |
Satellite
05.11.11 | oh cool, you're the first one to mention that. |
pizzamachine
05.11.11 | Matthew 24:36 (NIV)
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." |
ffs
05.11.11 | its my 21st birthday too
i asked santa to end the world for my birthday, this is pretty frickin sweet!! |
Zanders
05.11.11 | I heard about this.
Too bad I have a concert that night. |
Jethro42
05.11.11 | sup |
pizzamachine
05.11.11 | Bonjour! |
TheStefan
05.11.11 | didn't Harold Camping predict this? I think that since he was wrong when he predicted literally the exact same thing 15 years ago, it's safe to say that he will not be correct this time around either. |
savagecabbage
05.11.11 | hey I think the bible says that no one knows when Jesus is coming back. hey I think the bible says that no one knows when Jesus is coming back. hey I think the bible says that no one knows when Jesus is coming back. hey I think the bible says that no one knows when Jesus is coming back. hey I think the bible says that no one knows when Jesus is coming back.hey I think the bible says that no one knows when Jesus is coming back.
we get it for Christs sake. |
Satellite
05.11.11 | it's sort of like in beyond thunderdome when the tribe of children believe that captain walker is coming back someday to take them to tomorrow-morrow land. that's pretty much christianity in a nutshell. |
Gmork89
05.11.11 | ^
HAHA |
Jethro42
05.11.11 | BONJOUR Pizz!
Comment allez vous, cher ami? |
YetAnotherBrick
05.11.11 | A Lot Like Birds - Plan B |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Aren't the "Son" and the "Father" supposed to be the same thing? How could you keep a secret from yourself? |
fr33convict
05.12.11 | "Aren't the "Son" and the "Father" supposed to be the same thing? How could you keep a secret from yourself?"
The same way you tell yourself you totally didn't get a boner when you saw this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | Oh.. right.. and if the "Son" is god that means he must be omnipotent, which means there's no way he couldn't know about what day he himself would return. But you would think that you wouldn't need to be omnipotent to know about something you yourself plan on doing.
wow this is really confusing |
pizzamachine
05.12.11 | God can do whatever cause He's God. |
fr33convict
05.12.11 | NO MORE QUESTIONS |
AngelofDeath
05.12.11 | I hope he comes the 22nd just to spite everyone. |
Jethro42
05.12.11 | Alors cher pizz, comment va la vie? |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | So he can be omnipotent and at the same time not know what day judgment day is.. which is a day he created in the first place? |
pizzamachine
05.12.11 | @ Jet: Life is pretty swell!
God can do whatever cause He's God. [2] |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | Jeez, do ppl really take a book written 2000 years ago seriously anymore? Has about as much chance of being right as the Egyptian gods. |
bowlofsoup
05.12.11 | Stephen Colbert will survive |
Jethro42
05.12.11 | Cool pizz!
God can do whatever cause He's God. [3] |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | It's not about god doing anything.. it's about him BEING. Unless he forcefully removed his own knowledge about judgment day so that he wouldn't know anymore. But he would know that he removed it because he is omnipotent... and plus how would he come down for judgement day if he didn't even know what day was judgement day? |
bungy
05.12.11 | maybe he just fucking knows man |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | But I thought the bible was always right and the bible clearly says he doesn't. Well.. let me clarify.. it says the other version of himself, that is supposed to be the same as him but just a different form, doesn't know. Clarification achieved! |
Jethro42
05.12.11 | bonsoir tout le monde |
bungy
05.12.11 | nvm I don't want to argue about religion |
bungy
05.12.11 | I will take whatever side Detriment is opposed to |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | Ok, so explain for the stupid person how that concept makes sense. Oh and also, explain how the act of trying to fault a concept is what makes the concept nonsensical. Isn't it the other way around? I generally fault a concept that is nonsensical, not make a concept nonsensical by faulting it. |
bungy
05.12.11 | I mean you are trying to fault it, without thinking openly about other possible answers.
you are so fucking smug
I said I'm not arguing about religion. |
brightfireguy
05.12.11 | i read somewhere that May 21st, 2011 is judgement day, not the coming of christ. so God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt on that day. doesnt make sense to me because what if someone decides they want to be a christian after that, do they just get fucked over? probably isnt true obviously but its interesting |
bungy
05.12.11 | nobody rational even spoonfed catholics believe that. |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | Haha.. well not exactly. You said you weren't going to argue about religion after posting a comment arguing about religion and implying that I was stupid. Slightly different.
And I'm really not TRYING to do anything. Do I really have to put effort into trying to fault the idea that a god can be omnipotent and not know something he himself plans on doing at the same time? The fault is blatantly obvious.. I'm not inventing it.. I'm just pointing it out. |
bungy
05.12.11 | what does the Bible or whatever say? they are the same?
literally? or in purpose/cause/spirit or whatever? where does it say that Jesus doesn't know when the second coming is going to happen?
just quit acting smug |
pizzamachine
05.12.11 | God has immeasurable powers at His disposal that are totally beyond human comprehension. You can't rationalize this, Kubrick. |
Trebor.
05.12.11 | jesus is cumming |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | lol tebor17. |
Uranium
05.12.11 | jesus.... lol |
bungy
05.12.11 | "And I'm really not TRYING to do anything. Do I really have to put effort into trying to fault the idea that a god can be omnipotent and not know something he himself plans on doing at the same time? The fault is blatantly obvious.. I'm not inventing it.. I'm just pointing it out"
omg |
Trebor.
05.12.11 | I was surprised nobody put that yet. |
Uranium
05.12.11 | "if he is real, hes a contradictory and illogical god"
The good ol' old testament says dont ever praise another man as God and then here comes Jesus. Christianity is God's test to see how many people he can instantly weed out. |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | I was responding to a passage that someone quoted from the bible:
"Matthew 24:36 (NIV)
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
The bible says that the son (jesus) and the father (god).. and the holy spirit if you want to get fancy.. are all the same thing, just different forms of each other. So, upon reading that quote, decided to point out that it is blatantly contradictory that the "Son" and "Father" could be the same thing while one has knowledge that the other doesn't. Also, if the "Son" is god just like the "Father" is god, and god is omnipotent, that means they should both know everything there is to know. I was attacking the passage and horrendous logical fallacy behind it, not you.
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subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | The God of Christianity is a contradictory one. On one hand he wants us to love our neighbor but then wants to turn around and flood the whole planet and turn people in to pillars of salt. In all honesty he seems really petty |
bungy
05.12.11 | yeah it's completely illogical taken like that
I would argue the idea further of what it's trying to say and how it makes sense, but nobody gives a shit and that would take a while. I usually join in on stumping stupid religious people to be honest, but your smugness pissed me off lmao
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bungy
05.12.11 | i wish he would flood the earth again, we could do with a cleansing |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | "God has immeasurable powers at His disposal that are totally beyond human comprehension. You can't rationalize this, Kubrick."
I'll never understand how people can think this way. To just shun rationality, doubt, and questioning things that don't seem to make sense (all of which are healthy things) in favor of explaining away things by saying they are "just beyond comprehension." This is why religion is so powerful. It gives people the ability to respond to any rational argument by saying "humans can't understand." I don't know why anyone would be satisfied with that. If I read, hear, see something that doesn't make sense to me or I think is contradictory, I'm in favor of pointing that out.. raising it for discussion.. pondering it.. and deciding for MYSELF whether or not is it rational. Why submit to something that clearly makes no sense when you can think freely and draw your own conclusions? |
Uranium
05.12.11 | Christians need to read up on how the Roman Catholics used the bible to control everyone. God is a man-made idea created to keep man from expanding the horizons of his consciousness. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | "God has immeasurable powers at His disposal that are totally beyond human comprehension. You can't rationalize this, Kubrick."
It's the logical equivalent of "God works in mysterious ways." You're not supposed to take it seriously, Kubric, just leave them to their ignorance.
Now, to help you understand how it's possible, the analogy of God the father, Son, and Holy Spirit is usually explained as like water the liquid, the solid, and the gas. They are different states of the same substance. |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | ^^^ Agreed. Ever hear of a thing called the Spanish Inquisition? |
bungy
05.12.11 | god is a fucking liquid? |
Slum
05.12.11 | people are taking this seriously a;lsdkma;sldfkma |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | Evidently. God is flubber. |
Uranium
05.12.11 | No, God is the man who sits in the sky. We can't see him because our eyes aren't capable of empowering such a resolution...... yup, sounds about right. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | Missed the word "analogy" way to go guys. |
Epilogue
05.12.11 | your pic never ceases to amaze me. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | "God is a man-made idea created to keep man from expanding the horizons of his consciousness."
Not true, but whatever. |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | Haha I've heard the analogy many, many times (went to Catholic highschool). But I also know that they are considered all the same "god".. not unique individuals. So if they aren't unique individuals.. they should all share the same knowledge, and that knowledge should be ALL knowledge considering god is omnipotent. So the contradiction is still there.
"You're not supposed to take it seriously, Kubric, just leave them to their ignorance."
It just frustrates the hell out of me when so many people are willing to just accept things that clearly don't make sense instead of thinking for themselves and coming to their own conclusions. I can't really help commenting on it. It usually is futile though I understand that.
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bungy
05.12.11 | "Now, to help you understand how it's possible, the of God the father, Son, and Holy Spirit is usually explained as like water the liquid, the solid, and the gas. They are different states of the same substance." |
bungy
05.12.11 | Catholic schools are stupid |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | Agreed :D |
Uranium
05.12.11 | "Not true, but whatever"
It is true. Religion creates fear through afterlife and unexplainable circumstances. It is the secular enlightenment that ultimately broke us away from this tradition or else we would still be paying the priest's to wash away our sins. Obv because they can talk to God I presume. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | Not, it's not true. Most likely God and religion were created as EXPLANATIONS to the things we didn't understand, they weren't "created to keep man from expanding the horizons of his consciousness." |
Observer
05.12.11 | There's ignorance all over this thread, from both sides. |
Trebor.
05.12.11 | Ignorance is bliss my friend.
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Uranium
05.12.11 | True. The Sumerians had a sun god to explain why light came every day. It just seems that over time the self proclaimed prophets and priests were making good money and breaking laws while the other 95% weren't able to have an opinion. The clergys and royals used God as a token of fear so there would always be a lower class of citizens. They could control the pop. like pigs and fear of God kept them from disobeying or acting as they pleased. |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | Religion has helped kings and politicians justify their actions and supress the masses. Don' believe me then just look at Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, any of the medieval popes, Henry VIII, etc! |
bungy
05.12.11 | I should've just said what observer said and left |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | Trebor17, more like Cypher. |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | "Religion is the opiate of the masses" its just that. It provides hope and therapy for many people which I guess is a good thing but when it gets taken to seriously its dangerous |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | WE ALL KNOW RELIGION DOES TERRIBLE THINGS M'KAY |
Uranium
05.12.11 | As Slayer would say, "This is God's War!" |
Trebor.
05.12.11 | Where's Kimm when you need her. |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | Played Slayer when some Jehovah's Witnesses came to my house. :) |
bungy
05.12.11 | omg so many ignorant comments
dear god including mine reading back |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | Ignorance is strength my friend. |
bungy
05.12.11 | ignorance might as well be stupidity |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | The idea of a supernatural deity most likely just comes from our need to have everything explained to us, so that when we don't have an explanation for something, we can attribute it to a supernatural, all-powerful being. Of coarse, people use the idea of a God for all sorts of purposes good and bad. |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | lmao. Take my comments here with a grain of salt. I'm only being half serious right now
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Kubrick
05.12.11 | People love answers. They hate things they can't explain. So they invent their own answers when things seem unanswerable. Thousands of years ago people couldn't answer what the sun was. What did they do? Worshiped it. People couldn't explain what lightening or tsunamis were.. so they attributed them to the supernatural Zeus and Poseidon. Religion gives people a way of answering the unanswerable. Nowadays we understand so much more about our world and the universe so many of these old belief systems look silly to us. But the religion systems that exist today are essentially the same as they were before. It still provides answers for the things we don't understand to comfort us and give us a sense of purpose. If you take comfort in the answers that religion provides, there's nothing wrong with that at all. As long as you don't impede the ability of others to question and judge those who do not see things the way you do, then beliefs are just beliefs and they don't have to interfere with how we interact with one another. If only that could be a reality. |
bungy
05.12.11 | lol I know I'm not scolding you I didn't intend to take anything on this thread seriously originally |
subliminalnirvanaist
05.12.11 | ^^^ Kubrick summed up religion for me! :D
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foreverendeared
05.12.11 | Basically said what I said with more words. |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | Yep, I was going to quote you but it was long enough already. But yeah I was responding to what you said. |
bungy
05.12.11 | okay but people aren't converted to religion because they liked the answers to their questions or they like weighed the pros and cons and read through the facts and decided that was most plausible, just saying. |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | But he is right to an extent. People didn't INVENT religion as a way of manipulating people, true. But obviously once people realized the power it has it was organized and constructed to do just that in many cases. |
bungy
05.12.11 | nobody should argue with that |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | "okay but people aren't converted to religion because they liked the answers to their questions or they like weighed the pros and cons and read through the facts and decided that was most plausible, just saying."
Right. Yes. People are indoctrinated into religion in the vast majority of cases. This is why I have such a problem with religion. I wouldn't have any problem at all if most people were able to choose for themselves and picked the religion that suited them. The fact of the matter is people are born into their religion and it shapes the way they think as adults. Instead of coming to their own conclusions and thinking for themselves, they are indoctrinated into a belief system from birth that tells them what to believe and how to think. Then they can't think for themselves anymore and all of their thoughts are formed through the lens of their upbringing. What I'm saying is that free thought is what all people should have. If your free thought leads you to your religion.. great! But usually religion takes over free thought and the person who is born into it has no choice in the matter.. and they don't even realize it. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | "okay but people aren't converted to religion because they liked the answers to their questions or they like weighed the pros and cons and read through the facts and decided that was most plausible, just saying."
What's your point? I can answer some of the reasons why people are of a certain faith and why some people convert, there's been lots of books on the subject written by psychologists and other scientists over the last hundred years. How in depth do you want my answer to be? |
DeafMetal
05.12.11 | dont give a shit about jesus i'm too busy gettin high |
bungy
05.12.11 | they are mostly indoctrinated, but people who are actually believe in "God" to a somewhat passionate degree instead of just deciding what their parents believe is right, do so because of a feeling they had or have(or think they had) from some experience or attributing their happiness to religious obedience. That's what I've discovered from talking to people about it. That or they are fucking psychotic |
Trebor.
05.12.11 | I believe in Harvey Dent. |
FatChickIrl
05.12.11 | shut up and smoke weed |
bungy
05.12.11 | I didn't mean to take sides like this, i'm js |
Trebor.
05.12.11 | I thought Tyler was the Creator?
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foreverendeared
05.12.11 | Are you talking about the people, who at like 30 years of age "found Jesus" instead of being indoctrinated with it? If so, studies have show something like 98 percent of these types end up going with the religion that they were first introduced to between the ages of 4 and 7. |
Taoboxer9
05.12.11 | Jesus is coming ? Hope he uses a rubber. |
FatChickIrl
05.12.11 | ewwwww |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | It's analogous with children who are more susceptible to viruses like "chicken pox" that lingers there through your whole life and some times springs back up as Shingles in adulthood. |
Trebor.
05.12.11 | Stole my joke. 200 yo |
bungy
05.12.11 | Ok that's fascinating I was "just saying" I got that from talking to my friends and other mostly 18-24 year olds |
bungy
05.12.11 | So it's not like that at all |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | It makes sense that religious obedience brings happiness. Religion brings answers for things that we don't understand and those answers give people comfort. Obviously it is comforting to believe that, if you are a moral person, you can live in eternal bliss after you die. It is comforting to believe that you have a creator who loves you and has your life planned for you. It is comforting to think that your actions have meaning. Comfort and truth are obviously independent from each other and lots of religious people neglect that. |
Dev518
05.12.11 | I guess that I'm going to have to speed run through L.A. Noire |
FatChickIrl
05.12.11 | do you stop? |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | I wonder what the statistic is on what percentage of people who "found" Jesus did so after committing a crime or doing something that they regretted. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | bungy, So you're saying you're friends that are like that are passionate about God because of experiences they might have had? |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | "do you stop?"
You're perfectly welcomed to ignore everything I say. |
pizzamachine
05.12.11 | It would be nice to know where you're coming from. |
bungy
05.12.11 | Maybe not "passionate" but yeah I think a lot of people believe in god because of things that have happened to them or feelings they get.
I'm not trying to convince you there's a god I'm just saying lol |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | "It would be nice to know where you're coming from."
Me? In what respect? |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | Oh no that's fine, I just wanted a chance to answer you but make sure I had what you were saying right first. What they experienced is known as the "transcendent" or the "luminous" and is a complete non sequitur to "God." I think we've all experienced profound transcendent moments, but it makes no sense to attribute that feeling to a deity. |
pizzamachine
05.12.11 | @ Kubrick: I'm wondering what your beliefs are in a religious or non-religious sense |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | The important thing to note is that the cases of people "experiencing" a God are completely unrelated to each other. Just as many people "experience" Krishna as they do Muhammad or Allah or whatever. |
bungy
05.12.11 | yeah I'm sure tons of people have been fooled by that
I think religious experiences would be noticeably different but I don't think there's much point in further discussion at this point, like how could anybody prove that. Interesting to think about though.
this thread is less interesting now that my methadone buzz is fading
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foreverendeared
05.12.11 | "like how could anybody prove that."
I guess the only way would be to somehow track that persons brain activity as the experience was happening in real time, but that seems like it would be a very difficult thing to accomplish haha |
Dev518
05.12.11 | People can believe what they want to believe. My problem is that religion often interferes with objective history and politics. Most historians won't even touch the issue of whether Jesus actually existed and I think we all know the political implications. Apparently our entire nation will go to hell if we allow gay marriage or something. |
SHAKEandBAKE
05.12.11 | "I thought Tyler was the Creator?"
That was pretty damn clever haha. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | This shit always interests me. It's some of the most important topics one can discuss. |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | "I'm wondering what your beliefs are in a religious or non-religious sense"
Oh ok. I'm an atheist. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school. Ironically Catholic school is what pushed me to reject Catholicism. So the comments I'm making are from an atheist perspective. I don't have any problem with religious people or those who believe in a god. As long as your religion doesn't impede other people from believing what they want to believe than I'm cool with it. I just feel that religion in general indoctrinates people and inhibits them for thinking for themselves. I know this first hand. So if I come off as bitter and aggressive when it comes to this subject I apologize. Not trying to attack anybody but I just hate how religion can sculpt someone's mind and prevent a person from thinking objectively and rationally. |
pizzamachine
05.12.11 | @ forever: Very true.
@ Kubrick: Thank you. |
Kubrick
05.12.11 | :D
"This shit always interests me. It's some of the most important topics one can discuss."
Same.
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djunior
05.12.11 | sounds like a good excuse to party, imo |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | every day's an excuse to party |
Uranium
05.12.11 | It bothers me that if you don't agree with a hXc Christian's ideals, they believe there is not
apossibility that you could be right in your own beliefs. |
pizzamachine
05.12.11 | It bothers me that you only mentioned Christians in that statement. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | Agreed. |
someguest
05.12.11 | jesus will come when I damn well tell him to |
Winsomniac
05.12.11 | Yeah screw hXc Christian ideals.
HxC Ideals m/ |
Josh D.
05.12.11 | Hell yeah, time to die. |
Trebor.
05.12.11 | If you die in the apocalypse, you get v.i.p. status in heaven.
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foreverendeared
05.12.11 | You put "Jesus" in your title. |
Puzzles
05.12.11 | "Reminds me of that lady in India who committed suicide because she was so afraid that the Large Hadron Collider would create black holes that would destroy the world."
That bitch must have smoked the wrong weed. |
omnipanzer
05.12.11 | Sheesh, this site has to much interest in god. |
foreverendeared
05.12.11 | Religion is one of the most interesting and important topics, so naturally it follows that the subject of God will come up in lists where music is often not the main topic. |
omnipanzer
05.12.11 | China is here? I don't even know what that means. |
FatChickIrl
05.12.11 | What are we i dont even |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | I'm going to jam out to Underoath on the 21st. Maybe Jesus will accept me if I suck up that way. |
NorwichScene
05.12.11 | Who wrote the bible? He had a good imagination. Talk shit and millions believe it, suckers haha |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | Just out of complete curiosity Sonic. Do you like ANY bands from the last decade? Or is that too mainstream for you? |
fr33convict
05.12.11 | "lol underoath sucks
it's like christian pop"
I'm guessing you've only heard TOCS. |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | Nah. He doesn't listen to stuff like that. He listens to true metal. And even if he does like it, he won't admit it. Why chance losing your reputation? |
omnipanzer
05.12.11 | Sonic has a reputation? |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | Oh. Sorry about that sonic. |
fr33convict
05.12.11 | "Sonic has a reputation?"
Whether it's good or bad varies from person to person but he definitely has one. |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | +1 Rep to sonic from me. I love him, whether he hates me or not. |
omnipanzer
05.12.11 | In all fairness you do like an awful lot of DM. :^/ |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | And where's the problem with that? |
omnipanzer
05.12.11 | It's DM... the two of you are fated to be diametrically opposed 4life sir. |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | Nah, we'll find that we both love each other one day. One day. |
omnipanzer
05.12.11 | YOU"RE A DREAMER,
Its a pipe dream I say,
but go for it you crazy kid. |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | HAVE FAITHHHH INNNN MEEEE. |
omnipanzer
05.12.11 | Have a little faith in meeeeeee. |
FatChickIrl
05.12.11 | I suddenly have become a born again christian, I dont know why |
Eulogize
05.12.11 | Yeah me too, starting the 21st. |
FatChickIrl
05.13.11 | Are Christians allowed to smoke? |
Josh D.
05.13.11 | Free will is for lame-o's. |
dixoncocks
05.13.11 | need to get 1 before we all die. |
Josh D.
05.13.11 | Harold Camping thinks the end of the world starts in 9 days. Fuck, and I don't even have "creampie a midget" crossed off my bucket list yet.
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Josh D.
05.13.11 | Great, now my bucket list is longer. |
dixoncocks
05.13.11 | You can borrow my gf, shes 4'9 and easy to toss. Not sure if that qualifies but have at it. |
Josh D.
05.13.11 | Only if you watch 3 Ninjas: High Noon at Mega Mountain while it happens. |
foreverendeared
05.13.11 | Hold her upside down by the legs and fuck her face. |
dixoncocks
05.13.11 | done |
foreverendeared
05.13.11 | *Inappropriate chest bump |
Josh D.
05.13.11 | Sorry about the wood. |