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tectactoe 06.27.22	https://ibb.co/SxHFH15
YoYoMancuso 06.27.22	gonna be some great discussion about this here on Sputnikmusic.com
Colton 06.27.22	https://ibb.co/1nqt0cq
Sinternet 06.27.22	oh boy this is gonna be a great thread good job
pjquinones747 06.27.22	Left and /barely/ on the side of liberty
JesperL 06.27.22	been a while since i've done one of these, got auth-left here (very muchly into left and only slightly into auth)
Colton 06.27.22	needs more controversial topics to really get the ball rolling
Zac124 06.27.22	https://ibb.co/NpNSCY6
protokute 06.27.22	first time doing these tests, and yea it's pretty vague https://ibb.co/DrnRgJL
GhandhiLion 06.27.22	Why are some questions always so vague.
JesperL 06.27.22	oh yea 7.81 for me
tectactoe 06.27.22	Yeah, definitely flawed. But honestly any political "quiz" that included the full level of nuance and analysis necessary to capture the entire picture would be impossibly complex and take days and thousands of questions to complete lol. Tests like these often reduce multifaceted issues into binary accept/reject impositions, which is obviously very reductive. All that said, my alignment was still relatively on-par with how I'd have self-identified. I thought I'd be more progressive on the social axis, honestly, and maybe slightly farther into the Libertarian side, but all in all it's a fair representation I suppose.
pjquinones747 06.27.22	I'd post a link to my photo but the link keeps on pasting ridiculously long I think 6.56 is the number you'd use to put next to my name if i understand it correctly
nightbringer 06.27.22	https://ibb.co/wBQh5L6 auth-left
tectactoe 06.27.22	even from imgbb ?
pizzamachine 06.27.22	Politics is dum
Pangea 06.27.22	https://imgur.com/a/anfvfGO Lib left but only slightly lib
AlexKzillion 06.27.22	Auth-left, socially progressive
pjquinones747 06.27.22	https://ibb.co/hRh9Q7g
tectactoe 06.27.22	Just fyi nightbringer, gonna put you in Auth-Center. I've kind of defined ±2.0* as the "cut off" for Centrist v. Leaning, but that's an admittedly arbitrary distinction on my part. If you truly feel it should be more Auth-Left, I can change it. But the classifications above are based solely on the test as written - your personal feeling and self-identification can (and in many cases will) obviously be different.
nightbringer 06.27.22	Oh sure, that's fine.
Colton 06.27.22	didn’t know I’m a centrist idk really know what that means. but I think far right and far left are both dumb as hell so I guess it makes sense
Snake. 06.27.22	hopefully i'll be able to finish this quiz before this list gets shut down
tectactoe 06.27.22	Just means that your views are relatively split between the two ideologies (one axis) in question. In the case of a true centrist, you're balanced between both authority and economy. (Social progressivism is considered separately.) I've arbitrarily deemed ±2.0 as the cut-off for centrism on a specific axis. No real justification for that number other than it "appears" right via the eyeball test.
cold 06.27.22	Lib-Left https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-4.67&auth=-3.33&prog=4.69
Ryus 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-6.00&auth=-2.33&prog=8.44
el_newg 06.27.22	https://ibb.co/tJMST6h I'm not super political so some questions I'm just like "uhhhhhhh.... unsure" maybe some examples could have helped in the test but anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cimnele 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-8.67&auth=-1.67&prog=5.31 hmm
Purpl3Spartan 06.27.22	Oh no
SlothcoreSam 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-4.67&auth=-4.67&prog=8.44
cvlts 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=3.67&auth=-4.33&prog=1.25 tends to be where i generally fall in these types of quizzes
Josh D. 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-6.00&auth=-1.67&prog=5.63
tectactoe 06.27.22	Finally I am not alone 👊
zakalwe 06.27.22	Like all these things the questions are bloody ridiculous.
Ryus 06.27.22	yeah the questions always suck but this one is somehow better than the other one
ArsMoriendi 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-3.00&auth=1.00&prog=6.25 I usually get green quadrant, but weird, this gave me red
Trebor. 06.27.22	These quizzes are wild to me, there's always questions like "Do you think poor and homeless people should just die?" or whatever just more nicely worded and it's like how tf does anyone click yes to these and get auth-right and shit
Calc 06.27.22	yeah some of these questions are pretty lol but I got auth left
theBoneyKing 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-6.67&auth=-0.33&prog=7.19 You can figure out where to put me based on that. Fwiw I tend to identify a bit more as auth-left but I got center/slightly lib here.
budgie 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-7.00&auth=5.00&prog=6.88 jesus christ im a commie 🤷‍♂️
pizzamachine 06.27.22	Put me down for Antiestablishmentarianism.
TheSpirit 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-8.33&auth=-3.00&prog=5.94
theBoneyKing 06.27.22	nice one budg I guess I was feeling a bit more bashful today but I am there with you in spirit if not always in practice lol
tectactoe 06.27.22	@Boney, just trying to sick to the main quadrants here, so your test would be simply Econ-Left, as the authoritarian axis is nearly centered (±2.0 is my arbitrary cut-off here). More realistically/specifically, your alignment there would probably be something like Social Democracy, or perhaps "Democratic Socialsm" if you erred more on the authoritarian side. Not quite economically left enough to justify communism yet (imo). Though obviously take all of this with a grain of salt.
tectactoe 06.27.22	yeah budgie in the State Socialism area fa'sho haha.
theBoneyKing 06.27.22	makes sense - I guess being realistic I do value a balance between social liberty and authority so my result reflects that
WatchItExplode 06.27.22	Authoritarian 0.67 progressive 2.5
budgie 06.27.22	"your alignment there would probably be something like Social Democracy, or perhaps "Democratic Socialsm" if you erred more on the authoritarian side." be careful with these terms, the distinction really only exists in pop political journalism but in political texts and historically they're basically interchangeable
Sevengill 06.27.22	I'm not sure what words go with this https://ibb.co/wKwN6dG
Snake. 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-8.33&auth=-0.67&prog=7.81
FR33L0RD 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-3.67&auth=1.33&prog=6.56 High Progressive(6.56)--Left (-3.67)—Center Authority(1.33) Fun little survey, nice.
Snake. 06.27.22	https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1150147192.7377/st,small,845x845-pad,1000x1000,f8f8f8.jpg we should drop the traditional compass alignment for this list and use this instead
JohnnyoftheWell 06.27.22	https://imgur.com/a/KsT6DTD not rly what i expected, but close enough. went neutral on q a few leading questions pushing false dichotomies
AlexKzillion 06.27.22	ooo my progressive axis was 4.38, forgot to add
Avagantamos 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-5.00&auth=-3.33&prog=7.50
budgie 06.27.22	johnny and freelord, welcome aboard the commie train i guess 🥰
tectactoe 06.27.22	"be careful with these terms, the distinction really only exists in pop political journalism but in political texts and historically they're basically interchangeable" don't disagree, though with modernist context taken into account, it is "generally" understood what is meant by either term and how they're at least perceived to be different. but you're not wrong. "not rly what i expected, but close enough. went neutral on q a few leading questions pushing false dichotomies" this is really the biggest issue, aside from lack of overall resolution. there are definitely several questions that are loaded and seem to be implying that there's a morally "correct" answer. but of the many political quizzes I've taken, this one is the least lopsided with the most reasonable amount of questions. there are a couple better ones, but they have 200+ questions with much more nuance to the answers, and I was pretty much sure no one here would've bothered if presented with that many questions lol.
tectactoe 06.27.22	@Sevengill: pretty much the same as Boney, leaning toward socialism but not quite far enough for full-blown communism. Even split of authority which lends itself to some level of democracy.
nightbringer 06.27.22	little lonely where I am.
Avagantamos 06.27.22	I'm simply not well enough informed on fiscal policy, so I tended to just go neutral for those questions
FR33L0RD 06.27.22	Hahaha, everything fine, social democrats, is close enough for me budgie bro.
budgie 06.27.22	yeah same freelord, i definitely dont consider myself a communist lmao
DavidYowi 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-9.33&auth=-2.00&prog=7.50
JohnnyoftheWell 06.27.22	lmao i'm pretty sure i answered no to the straight-up y/n communism question
RabbitInTheGround 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-8.67&auth=-2.33&prog=7.50
tectactoe 06.27.22	The thing that bothers me about the communism question is, it's something like "Communism is an ideal that could never work in practice." There are two points of contention there: 1. Is Communism ideal? 2. Would Communism ever work in practice? I voted Yes, in the sense that it is a utopic wet dream that could never be implemented effectively, not with fucking humans anyway. But one could interpret the question as "No, I do not even think it's an 'ideal' economic system on paper" and would answer No/Disagree here. But then that might imply they're saying "no" to the "It could never work in practice" part. I'm fairly certain the second part of the question (whether it could ever "work") is the main point, but the question is definitely poorly worded.
budgie 06.27.22	i voted neutral on that i think, was assuming theyre going with "state communism" aka stalinist type command economies + fully nationalized industries. if it's the idealistic stateless communism, i mean that sounds just awful
tectactoe 06.27.22	See, I automatically assumed the latter. (Since elsewhere I think they tend to delineate the state if the question would necessitate the clarity.) Another obvious pitfall of these types of simplified questions. Again, this quiz was chosen mainly for its combination of (1) low number of questions and (2) "relatively" unbiased stance. But here are two others that I've found to be quite nice: https://politicaltests.github.io/12axes/instructions.html https://www.isidewith.com/ The first one doesn't use a compass but rather measures 12 different political spectrums and makes a judgment based on those. There are two versions - one with 60 questions and one with 288 questions. The one with more questions is obviously more comprehensive, and i noticed it contains some similar questions, but worded slightly differently, or to various levels of specificity, which I think helps a bit with consistency to some extent. The latter is more specifically US-based, so apologies to my global friends (of which there are many). But it has the benefit of being more contemporaneous and specific than the others, plus the questions have a wider range of potential answers and caveats.
RunOfTheMill 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-4.67&auth=0.00&prog=6.88
ArsMoriendi 06.27.22	Someone should aggregate all of these results on a custom chart someone less lazy than I
RogueNine 06.27.22	night, if I'm reading my results correctly I'd be in the same section.
nightbringer 06.27.22	yay! heart emoji
Sinternet 06.27.22	i guess ill post mine because im bored l/r: -6.67 a/l: -0.33 p/c: 6.56
BAT 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-4.33&auth=1.33&prog=6.25 auth-left? wooops [ohh didnt know what the x axis was labeled as lol, econ-left ganggang]
Sevengill 06.27.22	thank you based tectactoe
Drifter 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-7.33&auth=3.00&prog=8.44 would 7.33 be my number? idk im a lil confused lol
Drifter 06.27.22	"Someone should aggregate all of these results on a custom chart" whatever happened to macman
RogueNine 06.27.22	Made some lists, got promoted to staff, stuck around for a year and then poof.
Drifter 06.27.22	lameeee he was a wizard
tectactoe 06.27.22	@RogueNine - post them results, don’t be shy 😃 @Drifter - there are three axes that range from +10 to -10. The first two describe economic leaning (right or left wing) and authority leaning (authoritarian or libertarian). Those two are the x and y axes and are visualized by the dot on the chart, and described by a simple title. You would be Auth-Right for example based on -7.33 and 3. The third axis is social, either progressive or conservative. That is hard to visualize in 2d, it would essentially be the z-axis. So that’s the one we just describe with a number. You’d be 8.44, which is heavily socially progressive. (0 is an even split and negative numbers would be more conservative.)
Drifter 06.27.22	i think you mean auth left not auth right for me lol i almost had a heartattck
Egarran 06.27.22	"Without democracy, a society is nothing." wat
ashcrash9 06.27.22	can't help but feel like macman's the sort of fella to make a ceremonious return eventually for all of like 3 days and then desert again for good
protokute 06.27.22	"Do you think gays are a total nature abomination and don't deserve to live?"
Drifter 06.27.22	some people would unironically say yes to that tho so its not really a bad question
WatchItExplode 06.27.22	Guess I didn't understand the assignment
budgie 06.27.22	the big Q is secularism authoritarian or progressive or BOTH
Egarran 06.27.22	https://imgur.com/a/t9VbfXb
Get Low 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-4.00&auth=-3.00&prog=6.56 libtard
budgie 06.27.22	yesssssss egar on team red
SlothcoreSam 06.27.22	I did the 288 question version of the https://politicaltests.github.io/12axes/instructions.html Turns out I'm Anarcho-syndicalism
Storm In A Teacup 06.27.22	Idk how to post pictures but mine was exactly the same as ega except instead of one block north into red i was one block south into green
Storm In A Teacup 06.27.22	We are that close and yet ega doesn't even want to talk about car culture with me 🤣😭😭😭
Egarran 06.27.22	>yesssssss egar on team red I didn't wanna post my results but then I saw what company I would be in 💗 I hope Johnny will like me better now
Egarran 06.27.22	>ega doesn't even want to talk about car culture with me >Idk how to post pictures Yeah
Storm In A Teacup 06.27.22	😔
Storm In A Teacup 06.27.22	I saw your exactly.
Egarran 06.27.22	I feel it was too on the nose
sr388 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-10.00&auth=-4.00&prog=9.38
Ectier 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-4.33&auth=0.00&prog=8.13 I did this half awake but overall seems right.
SharkTooth 06.27.22	please tell me pcm isn't gonna invade this sub next
budgie 06.27.22	from what ive seen pcm is a libertarian circlejerk so doesnt seem very compatible w this community
theBoneyKing 06.27.22	Ayy Sint, looks like our l/r and a/l are identical
DANcore 06.27.22	L/R: 0 Auth/lib: 1 Prog/con: 1.25 And they say there’s no such thing as centrists anymore
tectactoe 06.27.22	'i think you mean auth left not auth right for me lol i almost had a heartattck' Yep, you are correct haha @WatchItExplode: You're missing an axis value bb. 'is secularism authoritarian or progressive or BOTH' More progressive, socially. If anything it's more a libertarian concept than an authoritarian one. But they aren't mutually exclusive, necessarily. @Storm: Can you gimme the three numbers at least?
Frost15 06.27.22	I'll post mine just for the popcorn: l/r: -1 a/l: -2.33 p/c: -1.87 Still got my red bar down towards con like it should be
tectactoe 06.27.22	DAN is a true Centrist. Kind of in awe of that balance, tbh.
tectactoe 06.27.22	Lib-Center is not a bad place to be, honestly. And even on the lib side, you're fairly well balanced. Nothing to be ashamed of mate. :)
budgie 06.27.22	"More progressive, socially. If anything it's more a libertarian concept than an authoritarian one. " mua ha ha but tell progressives in north america that you shouldnt be able to wear burkas in public schools and they will call you a nazi
tyman128 06.27.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-1.00&auth=0.33&prog=4.38
TheGreatQ 06.27.22	L/R: 3 Auth/Lib: 0.33 Prog/Con: -2.81
Storm In A Teacup 06.27.22	@tec, I can LR -4.67 AL -1.33 Prog Con 4.69
Hyperion1001 06.27.22	didn’t know if the results directly linked so I just uploaded mine here. don’t really know how to interpret it so do with it what you will. https://imgur.com/a/KlvpkUq
Lord(e)Po)))ts 06.28.22	lr -4.33 al -4.33 pc 8.13 Just happy I’m not in whatever Nazi simping, homophobe defending category budgie is in
Get Low 06.28.22	where's the authoritarian right homies at
Mort. 06.28.22	left/right: -8.67 auth/lib: 0.33 prog/con: 5.94
JohnnyoftheWell 06.28.22	"Just happy I’m not in whatever Nazi simping, homophobe defending category budgie is in" get me out of here plz
budgie 06.28.22	obsessed
Storm In A Teacup 06.28.22	I didn't understand 5 or 6 questions and hit neutral on those
deathschool 06.28.22	Lib left: Left: -9 Lib: -1.33 Prog: 8.75 Definitely get a little closer to auth left every time I take one of these.
rockarollacola 06.28.22	Lib Right L/R: 5 Auth/Lib: -3 Prog/Con: 5.94
rockarollacola 06.28.22	am i the first econ-right?
WatchItExplode 06.28.22	Just put me with night bringer in auth center please
BaselineOOO 06.28.22	imo any person under the age of 50 shouldn't be allowed to discuss politics, except maybe me (but then again I am actually 473 years old) I'm probably authoritarian right realistically in our corrupt world, but in your test, like any innocent soul, I'd be Econ-Left.
Piglet 06.28.22	FENCE SITTING SUPREMACY L/R 1.33 Auth/Lib -0.33 Prog/Con 3.75 https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=1.33&auth=-0.33&prog=3.75
Colton 06.28.22	Econ-Left is official pleb tier
Egarran 06.28.22	^Classic centrist deflection
Mort. 06.28.22	the only thing people care less about than hearing Colton's views on music is his political views
someone 06.28.22	Auth-Left
someone 06.28.22	L/R -3.33 A/L 1 P/C 7.19
tectactoe 06.28.22	Updated. Just for everyone's info, in case they didn't see my earlier mention(s) of it - my (admittedly arbitrary) cut-off for centrist/leaning is ±2.0, so if any one of your values is within the range of -2 to +2, I considered it "centered". Again, no real basis for this exact range other than...well, it looks relatively centered, and theoretically represents less than 20% lean toward one side, which, in the grand scheme, is quite centrist.
someone 06.28.22	you've put me in a wrong entry
tectactoe 06.28.22	"mua ha ha but tell progressives in north america that you shouldnt be able to wear burkas in public schools and they will call you a nazi" It, like everything political, is a tricky, nuanced, and highly interpretive issue. My personal stance is that students should be able to exhibit freedom of religious expression as they deem fit, so long as it does not distract or disrupt other students. Wearing a burka in this case would be fine. For teachers, the public institution's leaders and authority figures, it's a thornier situation. Given that they represent the institution in part, they cannot be allowed to endorse a religion to the extent that it could be seen as proselytizing. Similar to the rule for students, it can also not be distracting, disruptive, or obtrusive to learning. In the precise case of a burka, I would say the clothing is both obtrusive and distracting and should not be allowed. Hijabs and shaylas are a different story. They're not covering the face, the mouth, the eyes. They would surely engender inquiries from younger students, but would not be impeding or counterproductive to the extent that full facial coverings would. Looking at it another way, I'd have no issue with a teacher wearing, say, a necklace with a cross, or the star of David. But those emblems on the walls of a classroom are a different story. And should the teacher come in wearing a shirt that says something like "Jesus Is Lord" or whatever, yeah that is problematic because it could be construed more as endorsement, however slight, rather than simple and unobtrusive personal expression. Just my personal thoughts, though. I know it's a touchy subject and there's never a "right" answer.
RadioSuicide 06.28.22	https://ibb.co/JQYzYwD
tectactoe 06.28.22	@someone: see my message one above yours. Your auth leaning is only +1 from the central axis, which is within my ±2.0 range to be considered "centrist" for a specific axis. It merely indicates that while you have a few more authoritarian leanings (v. libertarian), you still represent more of a stable balance between the two that a true leaning toward one side. Again, that range (±2) is largely arbitrary and based only on my own scaffolding logic that more than a 20% lean should be needed to "pick" a side, so to speak.
someone 06.28.22	i see okeydoke then, i will not be pursuing my career as a radical from now on thank you
Wildcardbitchesss 06.28.22	just for shits and gigs https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-9.67&auth=0.67&prog=8.75 Death to capitalism
Cimnele 06.28.22	i think i answered some of the questions too quick. don't wanna blame the questions so much as my useless brain
Frost15 06.28.22	I'm glad to be alone in my category, just like irl. Fuck governments, fuck society and fuck this world of lies.
Egarran 06.28.22	except sputnik sputnik is truth
ashcrash9 06.28.22	https://ibb.co/jggdSs6
FR33L0RD 06.28.22	Passive non-republicans (dems/anarchist..all others) are active complices of; retrogrades, ultra white, pseudo-religious, dangerous, scared nationalist. Talk about it and act, everywhere possible. Dont get discouraged by other low attention weaklings out there. Btw, people gonna hear that a lot, get accustomed and act. Ok, now, it is the time to get back to Andromeda Galaxy 🛸 by the Stargate near Alpha Centauri, hoping the clothe apes from earth to be able to resolve their inner conflicts and explore the Milky Way Galaxy. Then, we will meet again. Au Revoir! 👋
pjquinones747 06.28.22	who do we think is the first to end up getting Auth-Right
tectactoe 06.28.22	Doof or zak
Egarran 06.28.22	Parks obv
Drifter 06.28.22	i would have guessed get low
Drifter 06.28.22	yo ryus we have the same socially progressive number lets have a mcdonald's date
necropig 06.28.22	L/R -1.33 A/L 0.67 P/C 0
ffs 06.28.22	i voted for goku
ItsTheSquirrel 06.28.22	L/R -6.33 A/L 2 P/C 7.5 so I guess I'm just a leftie
WatchItExplode 06.29.22	-3, 0.67, 2.5
LeddSledd 06.29.22	my political view places me on a plane three-dimensionally ascended above all your simple-minded opinions
Dedes 06.29.22	L/R-.33 Auth/Lib-.33 Prog/Con 4.69 Yeah, unsurprisingly minimally lib-centrist. These things are fun for a kinda shallow birds eye glance at things.
ashcrash9 06.29.22	"who do we think is the first to end up getting Auth-Right" anyone who might probably wouldn't admit it at this point, let's be real
Get Low 06.29.22	"i would have guessed get low" nah b i'm the most liberal of the liberals
tectactoe 06.29.22	Most people fail to realize that typical US Democratic politicians would end up in the auth-right sector. Republicans would obviously be farther up/right, but anyone who thinks a majority of Democratic representatives aren't authoritarian and capitalist to some extent are fooling themselves. The ones who are truly more socialist (e.g. AOC, Sanders) are obviously very vocal but wouldn't stand a chance in running for presidency (as we saw with Sanders).
Egarran 06.29.22	>Most people fail
anarchistfish 06.29.22	i don't really understand the presentation here
RadioSuicide 06.29.22	i mean, capitalism is a horribly flawed standalone system that prioritizes the few over the many in and of itself, but then to give all the cards within that system to a handful of major corporations, whose only concern is to maximize profits and puppeteer politicians... what good can come? human greed is boundless and all-consuming. democrats and republicans are two sides of the same shitty, crony-capitalist coin
tectactoe 06.29.22	"i don't really understand the presentation here" what is confusing you, my friend?
tectactoe 07.26.22	The 2024 US Presidential Election stands a chance to be the most miserable one yet!
Egarran 07.26.22	Then again, someone might snap and make it entertaining.
DadKungFu 07.26.22	L/R: -4.67 A/L: -5.67 P/c: 4.06
JWT155 07.26.22	L/R: 5.33 Auth/Lib: -5.33 Prog/Con 0.94 https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=5.33&auth=-5.33&prog=0.94 Right, Liberal, socially Centrist
Jasdevi087 07.26.22	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html? right=-8.33&auth=-2.33&prog=7.19 other compasses have put me closer to the bottom left corner than this one. I found I was hitting neutral/unsure way too often, dunno if that was just where questions were too vague or if i just need a coffee
tectactoe 07.27.22	Finally another Lib-Right, nice. 'dunno if that was just where questions were too vague or if i just need a coffee' Perhaps both. Questions on almost all these sorts of tests are way too vague and/or open to individual interpretation. Even something as simple as "Gender is a social construct" can mean different things to different people. Are we talking about gender identity? Or gender roles? Because that drastically changes my answer, etc.
Zig 08.04.22	Lib-Right, Socially Centrist
Pheromone 08.04.22	hahaha of course colton is a centrist
anat 08.04.22	-4.67 -1 5.63 i guess!
ReefaJones 08.04.22	L/R: -2.67 A/L: 1.67 P/C: 3.13
Egarran 08.04.22	Phero is above this vulgar matrix
tectactoe 08.04.22	@Zig, you got axis numbers for me bb?
Koris 08.04.22	Lib-Left (Socially Progressive) Left/Right: -2 Auth/Lib: -3.33 Prog/Con: 6.88
TheAntichrist 08.04.22	yawl enjoy women killing unborn children
Pheromone 08.04.22	i AM above this vulgar matrix
gschwen 08.04.22	Left: -4.33 Center:=-0.33 Prog=5.00 I guess this is Socially Progressive
tectactoe 08.04.22	'yawl enjoy women killing unborn children' Some of us just prefer not allowing the federal or state government control over every aspect of our lives 🤷‍♂️
tectactoe 08.04.22	@gschwen: Social progressiveness / conservativism is independent of the economically left/right and authoritarian/libertarian axes. (Obviously some of the views therein are more characteristic of either social progressives / conservatives, but they are measured separately here.) It's the bar on the right side next to the graph; yours is +5, which is well on the progressive side. If this graph was a cube instead of a square, it'd be the z-axis.
Zig 08.04.22	@tectactoe: yes, tony L/R: 3 A/L: -2 P/C: -0.62
tectactoe 08.04.22	Nice, ty. I've put you in Econ-Right (i.e., "centrist" on the auth/libertarian axis) because at the start of this I arbitrarily decided to define any axis bias of ±2 would be the cut-off for centrism (20% of the full-scale, which goes ±10 in each direction).
gabba 05.07.24	L/R: -2.33 A/L: 0 P/C: 5.63 using Colton's label from above, I'm with the plebs
Demon of the Fall 05.07.24	L/R: -3.33 A/L: -0.67 P/C: 8.13 someone translate this high on the progressive chart, fairly neutral on authority (just below the line) and towards the left but not drastically so
Uzumaki 05.07.24	https://imgur.com/a/PHhJMPP
Uzumaki 05.07.24	Agreed that quite a few of these questions were vaguer than could be answered accurately.
Demon of the Fall 05.07.24	yeah, for a couple of the vaguer ones I ended up just answering neutrally
Ryus 05.07.24	i bet i would b totally different now
Donchivo 05.07.24	L/R axis -5.67 Auth Lib axis 0 prog / Con 4.78 I dunno about this thing...
Flugmorph 05.07.24	L/R axis -6.33 Auth Lib axis 0.33 prog / Con 9.69 almost maxxed out with progressivism lol https://imgur.com/a/QYlP8tb
anarchistfish 05.07.24	oh i did the wrong test
anarchistfish 05.07.24	L/R: -9 Auth/Lib: -2.67 Prog/Con: 4.69
gabba 05.07.24	an anarchist’s political fingerprint?
anarchistfish 05.07.24	I was never an anarchist tbh
anarchistfish 05.07.24	"someone translate this" Just another basic bitch progressive social democrat I'm afraid.
gabba 05.07.24	OK, sorry, so I guess you’re not a fish either.
anarchistfish 05.07.24	Can't comment on that
anarchistfish 05.07.24	I'm surprised I wasn't more libertarian than that though also "Finally another Lib-Right, nice." lol
StormChaser 05.07.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-3.33&auth=-0.67&prog=3.75
tectactoe 05.07.24	Lib-rights rejoice 😇
tectactoe 05.07.24	Will update the list tonight, at work right now and for some reason the Sput list editor won't load on my work PC (lmao go figure)
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	Just took it again for shits and giggles, you know how some boomer brained people say that you get more conservative the older you get? Bullshit pretty much dead center between auth and lib and literally all the way to the left, progressive 9.06. Im going further and further left the older I get
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	Allow me to reiterate: Death to capitalism
Gameofmetal 05.07.24	L/R: -7.67 Auth/Lib: -1 Prog/Con: 7.81
gabba 05.07.24	“I’m surprised I wasn't more libertarian than that though” same here, my eyeballs almost fell out when I saw I scored zero on the auth/lib axis
anarchistfish 05.07.24	i got more "conservative" but also further left lol
anarchistfish 05.07.24	ppl still treat communism as a dirty word
Gameofmetal 05.07.24	how do you even get socially conservative in this quiz lmaoooo what the HELL did GreatQ SAY?
Shamus248 05.07.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-5.00&auth=-2.67&prog=5.94 Left/Right: -5 Auth/Lib: -2.67 Prog/Con: 5.94
CugnoBrasso 05.07.24	My political leanings shall remain secret tovarish
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	Communism is a dirty word because of red scare propaganda perpetrated by the US government during the Cold War. rest in piss Ronald Reagan, glad you’re fucking gone you piece of dogshit
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	Wished he died sooner tbh
Gameofmetal 05.07.24	probably has something to do with the many failures of 20th century ML regimes but I agree Red Scare propaganda hurt it a lot too lol
zakalwe 05.07.24	Communism is a dirty word because of Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, famine, millions of deaths, pogroms and complete control but yeah Reagan boo hiss.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	oh zak, didn’t realize you were a fucking idiot. still love ya tho
zakalwe 05.07.24	Ta comrade
budgie 05.07.24	U cant make a online starbucks order with payPal. can u believe that ? what are we living in the dang dark ages
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	my fee fees when I can’t order a triple espresso with dogecoin
gabba 05.07.24	when you succeed, stick to fair trade coffee
budgie 05.07.24	9ooooh but i can use google pay. interesting veryu interesting also my order (trenta cold brew w. oat milk, light ice) is 40 centers cheaper thru the phone app !!!! wow
WretchedCacophony 05.07.24	"didn’t realize you were a fucking idiot" Wow maybe take a step back. Lol this is the kind of idiocy that divides people. 'you're stupid because you don't know what I know! I can't quite explain everything so I'll just get mad!'
Gameofmetal 05.07.24	I'll leave you with four words I'm glad Reagan dead
Shamus248 05.07.24	taking a step back and not resorting to idiocy is a taaaalllllll fuckin order for some of the people on this site
budgie 05.07.24	wiow wow wow wo wwo wwow wow wow wow wow guys calm down geezus chriss
budgie 05.07.24	my starbutts gift card has been reloaded lets do thissssssssssssss
gabba 05.07.24	politics stirs emotions, the damn bitch
Shamus248 05.07.24	HELLO BUDDGIE WENDaLL HERRE AUNT KREMBLESs SAAYS IF yOU CL3AN YOR ROOM SHE WILL TAKE YO TTYO WENDYS FORR CINnABON PULL APART BREAKFAST!!!!1111 GOBBLESS
WretchedCacophony 05.07.24	politics sure does incite emotion but I think you're probably not at peace if that's the case. Though a lot of people aren't in that kind of state as a result of systemic issues, or simply from getting a bad start in life anyway- X: -0.67 Y -1.33 Z 0 lol
gabba 05.07.24	easy to be at peace with centrist scores like this lol
budgie 05.07.24	i got a grande instead of a trenta???? what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck and just like that im a fascist. kill everyone
tectactoe 05.07.24	Now this is the kind of drama I was hoping to incite when I made the list two years ago. Back on schedule 👍
Futures 05.07.24	these questions are even more lib left slanted than political compass lol
markjamie 05.07.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-4.33&auth=0.67&prog=8.13
Egarran 05.07.24	They figured out that the way to defeat the west was to boost capitalism.
Gameofmetal 05.07.24	however skewed these tests seem this one sure read wretched like a book LOL
gabba 05.07.24	All questionnaires have flaws, and the score won’t change one’s perception of being the new Che or Mahatma. Still, such scales can help us realize how much our beliefs don’t align with their labels. I can blame the questionnaire for poor formulation of statements (often rightfully), but I do it only when the result surprises me and doesn’t correspond to my views of myself. So who’s to blame really?
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	@wretched Buddy I was just messing around and I actually think zak is generally pretty funny. Take a step back and just look at the little culture we have here. We’re all abusive toward each other but at the end of the day there’s maybe like 2 or 3 users that I actually dislike. zak is absolutely not among them
WretchedCacophony 05.07.24	I don't think that you can quantify someone's perspective with a value, particularly when it comes to something as faceted as government. I think the government should fix loopholes that allow corporations to exploit tax codes and not be justly penalized for injury in medical, industrial etc, but I also think gov't shouldn't be inflating currency, bailing out corporation, sending billions of dollars in arms to foreign nations or regulating personal decisions. @Wildcard well I do apologize then (:
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	You’re good fam, and that goes for almost anyone. If I’m super confrontational and being kinda mean just know I’m almost always just fucking around. I love you bunch of degenerates.
tectactoe 05.07.24	Lord P(o)))ts energy
Futures 05.07.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=4.67&auth=-3.67&prog=5.00
StormChaser 05.07.24	fuck politics long live the comment section also long live sput abuse does that make me totalitarian or a fucking idiot?
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	Both but that’s a good thing
BaselineOOO 05.07.24	I haven't seen any based take from anyone here ever I bet you're all a bunch of wishy-washy centrists irl lol
CugnoBrasso 05.07.24	Read Parenti
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	base I’m a full blown commie so don’t include me in that shit. I’m not loud and proud at work because I’d probably lose my fucking job if my bosses found out, they just know that I was a fan of Bernie. And even that is an exaggeration, I wish he was as far left as these right wing nut jobs make him out to be
BaselineOOO 05.07.24	Economically communist wow like yeah you and 95% of humans?! Gimme a call when you got the balls to be an authoritarian commie.
neekafat 05.07.24	guess i missed this?
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	leftist infighting is the dumbest fucking thing and I see it from people that I tend to think are intelligent. Base, if you’re being serious, we probably agree on 99% of political shit. Let’s start this fucking revolution and then we’ll hash out our differences once we’ve achieved our common goals
BaselineOOO 05.07.24	The thing is that I am a commie but in USA the Republicans were objectively the better party for the last 4 decades, so umm maybe let's start the revolution somewhere else, Australia or Italy?
budgie 05.07.24	what a comment
StormChaser 05.07.24	Italy is a garbage dump
zakalwe 05.07.24	lol Eg Shrewd genius
Futures 05.07.24	zak you gotta set these tossers straight!
GiaNXGX 05.07.24	I’m prob auth right but have some communalities with leftist thought, so outsider it is - due to cultural / sociocultural reasons I tend to flinch at the thought of homosexuality, i mean femboys are gucci but we can’t survive on that alone
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	…base wtf? I’m not a democrat apologist but are you really saying Reagan and both Bushes are better than Obama or Clinton? Like they all fucking suck, but really??
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	I will say that Trump is objectively a better president than pretty much every republican president going back to WWII. The romanticism some liberals have of Bush is absolutely insane. That man should die in prison for what he’s done.
bellovddd 05.07.24	damn reading through these comments. lots of peeps should just stick to talking about music lmao.
Gameofmetal 05.07.24	he was better largely because he could not cooperate with the rest of his party to get any of his agenda through congress, if left unchecked he's actually incredibly dangerous. Bush successfully killed a million plus people in the middle east though so obviously materially he's way worse.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	^^^ yep
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	Him being a complete fucking idiot really helped this country, even though he did unmeasurable damage with his fucking Supreme Court appointments
budgie 05.07.24	wild card dont engage ur above that
gabba 05.07.24	Which Star Wars movie would you rate as democrat vs republican? I’d say: dem-rep-rep-dem-rep-dem-rep-dem-rep
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	Unfortunately I’m not budgie
zakalwe 05.07.24	All top level politicians are complete sociopathic, megalomaniac nob heads who have absolutely no grounding in reality whatsoever. They gradually grow even more incorrigible as a result of the power they crave completely corrupting them which ultimately leads them into the hands of the true leaders of the world. The bankers
Gameofmetal 05.07.24	Cool it Adolf
budgie 05.07.24	jhow many dang star wars movies are there i thought there were 6
Egarran 05.07.24	Had to agree with zak that time he called me a genius.
Jasdevi087 05.07.24	"leftist infighting is the dumbest fucking thing and I see it from people that I tend to think are intelligent. Base, if you’re being serious, we probably agree on 99% of political shit. Let’s start this fucking revolution and then we’ll hash out our differences once we’ve achieved our common goals" USSR origin story
Jash 05.07.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-3.00&auth=-2.67&prog=5.31
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	now that was based zak… as long as you didn’t mean “the jews” when you said bankers lmao
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	The fall of the USSR is one of the biggest tragedies of the last fifty years and I’m tired of pretending it’s not
Wildcardbitchesss 05.07.24	I’m not going to comment or respond to anything regarding that. I said what I said.
CugnoBrasso 05.08.24	"The fall of the USSR is one of the biggest tragedies of the last fifty years and I’m tired of pretending it’s not" ^THIS Wildcard if sputnik had an add as a friend feature I would befriend the fuck out of you right now
budgie 05.08.24	where are you from wildcard
BaselineOOO 05.08.24	People assume communism is inherently corrupt when in fact it is the Russians who are fucked in the brain. Russia should be excluded from all statistics, they are and always will be different. If a serious country like the USA gave communism a chance this planet would be better off.
anarchistfish 05.08.24	Pls don't feed the Baseline
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	@Cugno We’re comrades now. Are you on PS or Discord? @budgie The greater STL area. Not exactly the city but not exactly way out in the suburbs either. Not great, but decent neighborhood, comparatively speaking
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	And honestly Base isn’t entirely off base. Right wingers love to make the “oH iT wAsNt TrUe CoMmUnIsM” argument, but arguably (and I’m being very generous to anti commies with that arguably) true communism has never been achieved. The USSR came close, but unfortunately it had its fair share of bad actors in the form of political leaders that had their own agenda. And then of course there’s Gorbachev, who, i guess to put it lightly, read my opinion on Ronald Reagan. I feel similarly about him. No, I’m not well read. Yes, I can be problematic with the way that I speak. But I don’t particularly give a shit. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism and the world would be a far better place if we all took a page or two from Cuba and the USSR.
CugnoBrasso 05.08.24	I'm on a sputnik Discord although I suspect it might not be the official one or the most active. No idea what PS is.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	I should’ve just said PlayStation lol I’m not super active on discord but we should definitely add each other
gabba 05.08.24	Cuba and the USSR came close to communism? No way dude, these countries were also ran by greedy-paranoid bastards, and it will always be like this. The same goes for the church btw.
Demon of the Fall 05.08.24	"Just another basic bitch progressive social democrat I'm afraid." sounds good to me, I think someone has already mentioned this (reading is hard) but the whole 'greater degrees of conservatism with age' thing hasn't gotten me yet!
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	@gabba Really should’ve clarified that they came closest to my ideal view of communism. I’m not saying either are/were perfect in any way.
CugnoBrasso 05.08.24	I'm getting more radical as I age, partially in response to my parents getting closer and closer to the far right. You can criticize the Soviet Union all you want and I'll even agree to some extent, but homelessness was nearly non-existent, education was completely free (university included), and contrary to popular belief there was enough food, and everybody had access to it (the average BMI in the Soviet Union was similar to the US, and I'm quoting the CIA). I'd take the Soviet Union over modern Russia any day.
thatbandsucks 05.08.24	Fucking hate this site
StormChaser 05.08.24	that's alright, the site probably fucking hates you too thatbandsucks
gabba 05.08.24	"homelessness was nearly non-existent, education was completely free (university included), and contrary to popular belief there was enough food, and everybody had access to it" -> Scandinavian countries come very close to this nowadays, you don't need dictatorship packed in nice-sounding ideology to reach this.
Butkuiss 05.08.24	The idea that the USSR had one static economic system is kind of off-base though anyway — what are people talking about when you say the USSR’s economic system was flawed? The NEP? War communism? The Great Turn? They’re all very different approaches to economics with very different goals, advantages and blind spots. I don’t have an issue with discussion and criticism, as there are very valid critiques to be made, but it’s not a monolith any more than the New Deal and Reaganomics are. I think it pays to be explicit about what we’re talking about.
StormChaser 05.08.24	looooooool just saw base's comment saying the US is a serious country, wildest take i've seen here
thatbandsucks 05.08.24	Are you FartInATeacup?
StormChaser 05.08.24	you may address me as such if you wish, but not sure the other Storm would be flattered
Flugmorph 05.08.24	OP fuckin lied
BaselineOOO 05.08.24	"looooooool just saw base's comment saying the US is a serious country, wildest take i've seen here" why don't you move to Europe Canada Japan Korea (clown world) then?
Jasdevi087 05.08.24	"No, I’m not well read. " then pleeeeeeease my bro read more about the USSR and Cuba before you suggest take any amount of pages out of their books.
StormChaser 05.08.24	man I am from Europe and am thankful every day I don't have to think about mortgaging my house if I get an ear infection
Jasdevi087 05.08.24	"and contrary to popular belief there was enough food, and everybody had access to it" ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
thatbandsucks 05.08.24	*insert pompous Wikipedia critique
Egarran 05.08.24	But Storm you would be rich if you were American, you wouldn't have to care about poverty.
zakalwe 05.08.24	We all have absolutely no idea how fortunate we are. We have become pampered as fuck and wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the early 20th century. Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell And the profit and loss. A current under sea Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell He passed the stages of his age and youth Entering the whirlpool. Gentile or Jew O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Jasdevi087 05.08.24	zak i'm surprised you've lasted in the 21st century, since you turned 95 when they elected clinton just because shit has been worse in some places, doesn't mean it's not shit under capitalism no idea what you're chatting about with that lord tennyson looking shit but get back to me when you develop class consciousness and you support a football team that doesn't suck. peace - ronald reagan
zakalwe 05.08.24	Haha ❤️
StormChaser 05.08.24	that's true Eggy, to quote the great line from Attack of the Clones: "I want to go home and rethink my life"
CugnoBrasso 05.08.24	Famines were a thing even in Tsarist Russia, we underestimate how underdeveloped Russia was when the SU was founded. The closest they've come to suffering a famine since WWII was when capitalism was reintroduced in the 90s and agriculture was re-privatized. The major famines of the last 50 years almost exclusively happened in severely underdeveloped capitalist countries, and yet we don't seem to blame capitalism for that.
Jasdevi087 05.08.24	yes, 100% capitalism has been responsible for myriad famines, and yeah post-soviet Russia is still fucked, just in different ways now. I think the notion though that "there were no famines in the ussr after WWII" is grossly misrepresentative of food security thereafter. And lets not pretend this was the only way ordinary people suffered in the ussr, cause it wasn't. Like as you can see from the thread above I'm as far to the left as anyone else but I think particularly the online left need to start taking discussions about regimes like the soviet union, china, cuba, etc with way more nuance than we seem to. And like to reiterate I'm sure there are economic policies the soviet union had that I'd back and probably yeah some of the shit they did worked to an extent. But it was a rough fucking place to live.
Egarran 05.08.24	Yeah storm and if you're white there's no excuse to stay away from USA.
Butkuiss 05.08.24	Zak I’m finishing up with Kim Stanley Robinson and have some Iain M Banks ready to go on my shelf, don’t put me off it please xo.
WretchedCacophony 05.08.24	What would be a good resource to check out to get a good understanding of why the USSR's collapse can be viewed as a tragedy? Though that does depend on the lens you are filtered through.
CugnoBrasso 05.08.24	@Jasdevi, I'm not a gulag denier or anything like that, I do have my fair share of grievances about former communist experiments, but it's hard to have a fair "nuanced" discussion when so many of our talking points come straight from the cold war era. I'm not claiming the Soviet Union was heaven on Earth. Soviet citizens themselves were very critical of the government, but not because it was the totalitarian orwellian regime we think it was, but rather because corruption was rampant, state officials were slackers and many institutions worked very slowly as a consequence (if at all). But if you're referring to people of the online left denying the abduction of Uyghurs by the Chinese government or defending North Korea then ok, it's problematic and we can agree on that.
mouldypigeon 05.08.24	L/R: -4 Auth/Lib: -1.67 Prog/Con: -2.81 doesn't feel correct but interesting for a quick quiz
Kompys2000 05.08.24	I became a communist specifically because i want to put Zak in a gulag
Gameofmetal 05.08.24	Don't like lumping in Cuba with the likes of the USSR or Maoist China, just simply doesn't have the same list of horrors that those did and has persisted under the hostile shadow of American imperialism for most of a century, tons of US sanctions fucking with them, etc.
zakalwe 05.08.24	The cap fits Komp
CugnoBrasso 05.08.24	Also @WretchedCacophony, have you ever read Parenti? If not, try Blackshirts and Reds, it's a very short read but a very informative one.
WretchedCacophony 05.08.24	I appreciate that recommendation so I'll check it out and maybe follow up with ya eventually lol. Between studying German, Chess and reading the Stormlight Archives my free time is minimal (:
CugnoBrasso 05.08.24	Lmao I totally get it, I mainly read when I'm on public transport, otherwise I wouldn't have time. There's only so much you can do if you work a full time job, and my side activities mostly involve music so yahhp, life choices. Viel Spass beim Lernen!
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	@gameofmetal You’re entirely correct. Cuba as a nation are absolute fucking champs. And if you ever hear an American Cuban complaining about how bad communism is it’s probably because their family owned a fucking sugar plantation or some shit and Castro liberated that, so them people in boats were prob either fuckin slave owners or descendants of some
Kompys2000 05.08.24	Castro is a genuine hero, more a leader than any of the nitwits we've elected since WWII
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	[2] Man was a fucking revolutionary through and through. How many times did the US try to clap him. Hundreds? Fucking champ, all the real ones love Castro
Egarran 05.08.24	Impressive how red this turned. Hasta la victoria siempre!
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	And the good kind of red, not that republican bullshit
anarchistfish 05.08.24	Any agreement with baseline is accidental
WretchedCacophony 05.08.24	speaking of red idk how majority republicans can support Israel at this point, or why there was so much support to begin with. Though that's probably the best modern example of the media and government establishment, on both sides, working hand in hand for an objective that literally doesn't serve their constituents at all. I suppose this is what you may refer to as a symptom of corporate fascism?
Kompys2000 05.08.24	They support Israel because they want America to be an ethnostate too
gabba 05.08.24	As long as America lies left to Israel on the map, they won’t succeed.
Gameofmetal 05.08.24	idk it's like the evangelicals love israel for religious reasons, the neocons love it for imperialism reasons, the fascists hate it because jewish
unclereich 05.08.24	and which category does Biden fall under
Gameofmetal 05.08.24	imperialism reasons
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	A fucking genocidal Zionist, so imperialism I guess
Frost15 05.08.24	"idk it's like the evangelicals love israel for religious reasons, the neocons love it for imperialism reasons, the fascists hate it because jewish" It's funny because fascism has a lot in common with zionism. In fact zionists and nazis co-operated becuause they benefited mutually.
Gameofmetal 05.08.24	There's a lot of weird bedfellows like that in the world of racial extremists, but hating on jews is too integral to nazis lol.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	ngl Germans circa 1940 would probably be really proud of Israel rn… and then they’d kill them too
tectactoe 05.08.24	You guys have really taken this and run with it. Proud of u all.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	Well Germany is also technically proud today to considering the support
anarchistfish 05.08.24	Curious what econ-left refers too since this is specified in the test
WretchedCacophony 05.08.24	did the Italian fascists make similar moves in the 30s or were there not enough Jews in Italy for it to be noticed? I don't think Jews were particularly safe in the USSR either. If they could've just stayed in Europe there wouldn't have been any 'need' to create an Israeli state
Frost15 05.08.24	"Don't like lumping in Cuba with the likes of the USSR or Maoist China, just simply doesn't have the same list of horrors that those did and has persisted under the hostile shadow of American imperialism for most of a century, tons of US sanctions fucking with them, etc." "Castro is a genuine hero, more a leader than any of the nitwits we've elected since WWII" "You’re entirely correct. Cuba as a nation are absolute fucking champs. And if you ever hear an American Cuban complaining about how bad communism is it’s probably because their family owned a fucking sugar plantation or some shit and Castro liberated that, so them people in boats were prob either fuckin slave owners or descendants of some" When it comes to facing imperialism and showing guts in confronting a 'Goliath' like the USA Castro was a real 'David', but when you look at his personal lifestyle, and country management he was a disaster. Truth be told, he didn't have it easy, but that does not excuse the fact that he hated homosexuals and placed many of them in labour camps (something that took ages for him to recognize), he was a male chauvinist that saw women as mere sexual objects (unsurprisingly Cuba ended up being a sexual tourism paradise), something that many European men know first hand... I actually know some men (now very old) that were inside the Spanish communist party that used to go there every summer to "bone hot cubans because it was cheap and abundant". Also his attitude towards black people was very suspicious to say the least. Also saying that cubans that critiziced Castro's Cuba come from rich familes that owned plantations is the biggest joke I've heard in a while. Plenty of poor cubans that fled to Spain and had to work hard for a living. I myself know quite a few. People that worked in factories, priests, small grocery shop owners. Pretty nice people. In the end Castro, like all Communist leaders, became a bourgeois and became progressively distant from his people. Look at his descendants wealth and status... PS: I still prefer Castro over any USA president btw. All the leaked CIA documents in the last decade clearly show the twisted, psycopathic cancer american imperialism is...
Calc 05.08.24	I'm still auth left 3 years later noice.. L/R: -1.33 Auth/ Lib: 3.33 Prog/ Con: 5
Gameofmetal 05.08.24	Idk about spain but it's certainly a common belief that the florida cuban population is extremely conservative and commonly descended from middle to upper class refugees.
Nikkolae 05.08.24	no surprise here L/R: -7.33 auth/lib: -1.33 prog/con: 5
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	@frost Yeah I’m not saying the man is immune from criticism, I feel similarly about Che. Both were fucking heroes but both did have some problematic views. But we should also keep in mind that they were both very much a product of their time. Had they been zoomers or some shit I’m sure both probably would’ve had very progressive views socially speaking.
gabba 05.08.24	Let’s not go down the road speculating what Hitler would be like as a zoomer.
Nikkolae 05.08.24	no, actually lets, i bet he would listen to Yeat
Wildcardbitchesss 05.08.24	Let’s be honest he’d definitely be jamming Skrewdriver
anarchistfish 05.08.24	Italian fascism wasn't really based on anti semitism...until the alliance with the Nazis anyway. But afaik anti semitism was widespread across the continent
anarchistfish 05.08.24	No one will take Lenin nor Tito from me
Typhoon24 05.08.24	(-1,1.33) is centrist. 5.63 socially progressive. pretty much accurate
anarchistfish 05.08.24	libs everywherrrre
Kompys2000 05.08.24	Italian fascism was largely a product of how badly the country got fucked at Versailles. Left a whole bunch of violent, shellshocked thugs feeling like they put their necks on the line for nothing, all Mussolini really had to do was give them an assignment
CugnoBrasso 05.08.24	Yahhp my grandmother used to live in fascist Italy as a child and she told me that sometimes the black shirts would randomly kidnap or kill people on the street, and she saw corpses hanging upside down on the street lamps on her way to school.
unclereich 05.08.24	L/R: -1.67 auth/lib:-2.0 prog/con:0.63
zakalwe 05.08.24	Thought I’d give it a go. The questions are a complete nonsense but I am according to nobody but this L/R 0.67 Auth/Lib 1.33 Prog/Con -3.12 Centre Authoritarian Right
Egarran 05.08.24	The British auth right is good entertainment these days.
zakalwe 05.08.24	It doesn’t exist mate
Gameofmetal 05.08.24	that's so embarrassing for you
gabba 05.08.24	My mate used to say even god doesn’t like those indecisive cunts in the centre, you’re lucky she doesn’t exist.
zakalwe 05.08.24	haha. I tell you what I’ll be hollering in its face whatever it is. A right old fashioned bollocking. I will literally be old man yells at cloud.
Deathconscious 05.08.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-6.67&auth=-3.33&prog=9.06
Kompys2000 05.08.24	-10 1.65 9.38 First perfect 10 in the game get rekt bitches
gabba 05.08.24	“I will literally be old man yells at cloud.” Nice, if you do that, just think that’s progressive, and it’ll be alright.
cycosynner 05.08.24	Left/Right Axis: -4.33 Auth/Lib Axis: -3.33 Prog/Con Axis: 8.13 Lib-left & econ-left, which isn't surprising for me.
budgie 05.08.24	psht kompy that 1.65 is pussy shit!!
Egarran 05.08.24	I just knew kompys would turn this into a competition.
gabba 05.08.24	I concur, tried to redo the test to prove it is not hard to get -10, -10, 10, but I only reached this: https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-6.00&auth=-10.00&prog=8.75 I have to admit Kompys, I’m not lefty enough, no matter how hard I try. But at least I can reach -10 on the auth/lib axis.
Kompys2000 05.08.24	Yeah a competition I'm WINNING
budgie 05.08.24	i can't get my y axis high enough : * (
Egarran 05.09.24	There are pills for that.
Shamus248 05.10.24	"I will say that Trump is objectively a better president than pretty much every republican president going back to WWII. The romanticism some liberals have of Bush is absolutely insane. That man should die in prison for what he’s done." Based af
Egarran 05.11.24	Using a terror attack to commit war crimes is a popular method. You get to play the victim card while killing innocent people. I wonder how Trump would react if 9/11 happened on his watch.
MetalMarcJK 05.11.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=0.00&auth=-1.23&prog=-2.11
BaselineOOO 05.11.24	Isn't it adorable seeing the childlike innocence of Americans who still believe in democracy and rank presidents? < 3 The underground monarchy and Rome still rule the world, wake the fuck up slaves.
FowlKrietzsche 05.11.24	Its ridiculous to rank US Presidents because they're all white supremacists (okay Ulysses Grant is no. 1) No kings tho, point me in the direction of this underground monarch please
budgie 05.11.24	i personally hate FDR
Futures 05.11.24	very based budgie
Sinternet 05.11.24	SHIT THREAD
Wildcardbitchesss 05.11.24	Aside from internment camps what what was so bad about FDR??
Ryus 05.11.24	couldnt walk
budgie 05.11.24	okay'd the bombing campaigns in france despite being advised they could kill up to 100k civilians and pressured by churchill against it, ended up killing 70k (civilians) and completely leveling historic cities like brest and rouen because unnecessary loss of military personnel would be publicly unpopular, and planned to split france up into easily manageable postwar states, thank fuck he died when he did and DG was able to generate a lot of goodwill with eisenhower and churchill. also FDR turned away jews iirc and he couldnt walk
markjamie 05.12.24	From an Australian point of view, in general we liked Clinton but thought he was a bit of a sleaze, thought Bush was a war-mongering but oddly endearing idiot, loved Obama who made us like and respect America again, and then laughed our arses off for 4 years that anyone could elect someone as incompetently vile and useless as Trump. Biden is viewed as ancient but essentially decent and has restored some of our Trump-destroyed respect for the US. And we cannot believe that there aren't two better candidates than a pair of mentally and physically declining 80 year-olds in November. I'm too young to go back past Clinton really, but remember Reagan at least being highly respected.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	They all fucking suck from my commie ass perspective The only presidential candidate I ever had a modicum of respect for was Bernie. I’ll never forgive the DNC for rallying behind Biden and telling Bernie to fuck off. This man should be finishing his second term right now… and we’d have a 6-3 liberal majority in the Supreme Court. So at the very least, M4A would probably have been passed, or at least some public option that is better than Obamacare… oh and women wouldn’t have had their bodily autonomy violently ripped from them. The genocide in Gaza also very likely wouldn’t be quite as grim. I hate it here
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	Damn. I really didn’t know all that budgie. How could I have supported a man that couldn’t fucking walk this whole time??
budgie 05.12.24	ive been 99% with bernie all the way (his hesitancy toward nuclear energy is the big mark against him) but his recent pussyfooting about gaza kinda bummed me out
MetalMarcJK 05.12.24	Is this the thread where we talk about women living with bears, not men?
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	Yeah… he’s gotten a lot better on it the longer it’s gone on. I’d honestly say that he’s been probably the biggest non-Muslim ally in government… but correct me if I’m wrong.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	It’s also just like, I volunteered to canvas and donated hundreds of dollars to both of his presidential runs. It’s hard for me to hate on the man when he’s literally probably the single most important man of the last 30 years as far as radicalizing young people go. Now, don’t get it twisted. I’m not saying he’s a full blown commie, but A) I truly believe he leans further left than what his professed policies are. He quoted Marx in the 70’s and 80’s. And there’s also that famous photo of him getting dragged away by cops at a civil rights rally. And B) as disappointing as some of his stances are, he blew the fucking door open for an entire generation of millennials and zoomers to become leftist. I love the guy personally.
budgie 05.12.24	what is "non-muslim ally" supposed to mean here? i'm upset that he condemned the invasion of gaza
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	budgie what
budgie 05.12.24	i see now non-muslim ally is indeed a sincere term used on the interwebs
Kompys2000 05.12.24	The worst thing FDR ever did was let that hick dipshit Harry Truman into the naval observatory
Deathconscious 05.12.24	"i'm upset that he condemned the invasion of gaza" Are you one of those pro-genocide freaks?
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	I mean, not particularly. I don’t think I’ve ever uttered the term. I was using it to describe pro Palestine folks that aren’t Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	I think it was a bad attempt at humor
Deathconscious 05.12.24	Hope so.
twlight 05.12.24	Based on this, I’m progressive I have doubts on this test because European and American politics definitely differ
twlight 05.12.24	Biden sucks. So does trump. Wow this is going to suck in November.
budgie 05.12.24	no humor here, not a big fan of far-right islamic terror states
twlight 05.12.24	Biden isn’t left enough. He sucks. So what’s The alternative?
twlight 05.12.24	America is fucked. This election in November is a joke
Deathconscious 05.12.24	"not a big fan of far-right islamic terror states" Oh, youre doing the babybrained/racist "theyre all Hamas" cringe. Ok, embarrassing though. Not surprising for a tankie i guess.
budgie 05.12.24	a whole lot goin on in that comment
twlight 05.12.24	Wow now the leftists who can only vote for Biden. Are voting for genocide. Surprise democrats, they’re not on your team!
Egarran 05.12.24	Do you have anyone in real life to talk to?
BaselineOOO 05.12.24	the globalist big tech neocon extreme left >>> the ultrareligious isolationist far right
budgie 05.12.24	the neocon extreme left huh
BaselineOOO 05.12.24	At least admit we're fucking evil too?
BAT 05.12.24	mehhh i haven't voted for trump past two elections and don't see much reason to change that sentiment, trump would just give israel even more firepower and outright boycotting the election isn't going to do palestine any favors. the two party systems always been bullshit though, mccains the last almost respectable candidate the right had and the current GOP is openly pissing on his grave, i do wish the democratic party didn't just rotate past figures every election. whole system just feels kinda helpless
Egarran 05.12.24	poke poke Have a revolution already.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	Politics is all just one big ass blast. Who am I supposed to vote for?! The democrat blasting me in the ass or the republican who is gonna blast my ass??
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	Don’t threaten me with a good time eg
ReefaJones 05.12.24	*insert Grampa Simpson door gif
CugnoBrasso 05.12.24	Speaking of polytikz, who is this eva vlaardingerbroek sweetheart that YouTube keeps shoving down my throat? I've never seen a supporter of the great replacement conspiracy get 55 million views on Twitter.
Egarran 05.12.24	Hey Reefa before you leave, at least you can agree to condemn the Israeli invasion of Gaza.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.24	kkkhamas has the hostages though!!1!
Typhoon24 05.13.24	how do i change my currently digging
Wildcardbitchesss 05.13.24	Just listen to something else and it will update automatically
Egarran 05.13.24	We'll tell you when you condemn the genocidal US-backed zionist occupation of Gaza.
Jasdevi087 05.13.24	friendly reminder for anyone entertaining not voting for Biden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan also trump is the only head of state ever (i think) to recognise Israel's claim to the golan heights
cycosynner 05.13.24	The hostages Netanyahu has decided to bomb the shit out of, that is.
BAT 05.13.24	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights . but yeah just take a gander at anything trumps stated regarding muslims or islam for the past 25 years. like even a few months ago he was saying 'anyone who votes democrat hates the jews.'
tectactoe 05.21.24	Okay, finally added and updated everyone up to this point (I think). Let me know if I missed you. Still no Auth-Rights
zakalwe 05.21.24	You missed me mate. Questions are nonsense but I’m apparently centre authoritarian right if that counts
tectactoe 05.21.24	zak, you're in there, you're actually in the centrist portion. Back when I first did this in 2022, I decided that ±2.0 points along each axis would be the (admittedly somewhat arbitrary) cutoff for "centrist" vs. "extremist". Since your left/right and auth/lib scores are both < 2.0, you would be a true centrist based on that criteria (with auth-right leanings). Again, there's no real science behind why I chose 2 as the delineation point for axis centrism but then again this is mostly a load of bullocks anyway so 🤷‍♀️
zakalwe 05.21.24	Completely understood and agreed But it’s bollocks not bullocks
tectactoe 05.21.24	Oh damn. TIL. Is bullocks even a thing? My web browser is not underlining it as a misspelled word haha.
ReefaJones 05.21.24	Also seems like socialists get thrown in with social democrats here where I would mostly align with. Feel like there should be a distinction
Flugmorph 05.21.24	top position hell yeah
tectactoe 07.22.24	In the wake of Biden's withdrawal from candidacy, I feel a bump is relevant.
DadKungFu 07.22.24	Big distinction between socialists and SDs but if we're talking American political discourse we're probably expecting too much from people to make the effort
budgie 07.22.24	historically there is no distinction between socialist / democratic socialist / social democrat, all those parties were variations of polite reform or radicalism, some social democrat parties were radical reform while socialist parties were gentle reform, the name of the party was only a reflection of which language the party came from, the distinction is only recent and probably comes from braindead political journalism looking at the "democrat" term and then deciding that there's always been a difference
ReefaJones 07.22.24	Sure but what's the point arguing about the historical meaning. The reality is that there's a huge difference today
budgie 07.22.24	you're saying there's a huge difference between the platform of a social democrat party and what
ReefaJones 07.22.24	And people who call themselves socialists. Let's start with capitalism. Socialists are generally anti-capitalist while social democrats are pro capitalism with some social services being subsidized
budgie 07.22.24	half of the leaders of the socialist international have been from social democrat parties, the danish social democrat party is a member of the european socialists, the social democratic party of finland is a member of the european socialists and the socialist international, as is the social democratic party of bosnia and herzegovina, social democrat party of andorra, croatia, japan, moldova, you get the picture. social democrats are socialists
ReefaJones 07.22.24	Cool story. Now address my point about capitalism
budgie 07.22.24	i dont care about capitalism? only wanted to point out the nonsense about socialist/social democrat/democrat socialism in political journalism
budgie 07.22.24	"while social democrats are pro capitalism with some social services being subsidized" from the SI charter 60. The democratic socialist movement continues to advocate both socialisation and public property within the framework of a mixed economy. It is clear that the internationalisation of the economy and the global technological revolution make democratic control more important than ever. But social control of the economy is a goal that can be achieved through a wide range of economic means according to time and place, including: - democratic, participative and decentralised production policies; public supervision of investment; protection of the public and social interest; and socialisation of the costs and benefits of economic change; - worker participation and joint decision-making at company and workplace level as well as union involvement in the determination of national economic policy; - self-managed cooperatives of workers and farmers; - public enterprises, with democratic forms of control and decision-making where this is necessary to enable governments to realise social and economic priorities; - democratisation of the institutions of the world financial and economic system to allow full participation by all countries; - international control and monitoring of the activities of transnational corporations, including cross-frontier trade union rights within such corporations.
ReefaJones 07.22.24	Just speaking for Germany's social democrat party which has never been anti capitalist or anything. If today's socialist political stances have shifted from that then hasn't political journalism just adjusted to that reality?
budgie 07.22.24	sure, socialist parties are far less radical and far more reform than they were in the 19th and first half of the 20th. that's true with socialism across the board, political journalism likes to say that social democrats are reform and intrinsically different from socialists, who are revolutionary or radicalist, but that's just not the case and never been the case, there's never been a hard delineation. social democrats and democratic socialists are just socialists, in the 21st century they are probably reform socialists, in the 19th century they were, at least more likely to have been, radicalist socialists
ReefaJones 07.22.24	I don't really know what you're talking about but socialists these days despise most social democrat policies. They see them as not radical enough
budgie 07.22.24	like what, on twitter? they're fucking morons, tell them to read the socialist international declaration of principles and watch them short-circuit
ReefaJones 07.22.24	yes, on twitter. You know Hasanabi? He's probably the internet's most popular socialist streamer and a prime example of the type of socialism I am talking about
budgie 07.22.24	no i dont " HasanAbi, is an American online streamer, YouTuber," theres your problem haha
ReefaJones 07.22.24	Seems like online retards have co opted the socialist label then. I've never met any socialist in real life who would fall under your definition either
robertsona 07.22.24	https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2ytjr639xmin012sn3da9/Shared-Image.png?rlkey=toovpv6xtmkqpcyqik40d6gzv&dl=0
robertsona 07.22.24	I have no idea where this places me in your list. 4.06 for the Z axis.
bighubbabuddha 07.22.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=0.33&auth=0.00&prog=0.63 I'm the king of centrists Left/Right Axis: 0.33 Auth/Lib Axis: 0 Prog/Con Axis: 0.63
vult 07.22.24	https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-5.67&auth=1.33&prog=5.31 "I've never met any socialist in real life who would fall under your definition either" anyone currently active in the armed forces are certainly living a more socialist existence than you are giving them credit for
budgie 07.22.24	redid it cause prob new questions left/right axis: -7.33 auth/lib axis: 4.33 prog/con axis: 1.88 oh gosh oh jeez oh dear.
budgie 07.22.24	" I've never met any socialist in real life who would fall under your definition either aren't you a social democrat? you're a socialist in that case, under my definition (what i'd prefer to call canon)
hexfix93 07.22.24	https://imgur.com/pJongeu Wherever that puts me lol
budgie 07.22.24	hex you're a dirty communist
ReefaJones 07.22.24	"aren't you a social democrat?" I am and no I would never call myself a socialist. I think that political label is poisoned and I don't want to be associated with most people who would call themselves socialist today, people who advocate for the abolishment of capitalism, who are anti west on almost every foreign policy issue and who slurp up russian & chinese propaganda
budgie 07.22.24	i can sympathize, i havent ever interacted with the twitterverse or the tiktokverse so when i think socialist i think expansive labor rights in countries like france or sweden and not some tankie munchkin screaming about colonialism
Rolling Girl 07.22.24	left/right axis -8 auth/lib -0.67 prog/con 8.13 Thought I'd be leaning auth more but w/e. I sometimes call myself a socialist for convenience sake, but there are a lot of tankies who seem to just uncritically root for anything with so much as a guise of being "left" who I just don't care for.
Pheromone 07.23.24	> think that political label is poisoned and I don't want to be associated with most people who would call themselves socialist today, people who advocate for the abolishment of capitalism not a socialist advocating for the abolishment of capitalism!!! classic reefa take
zakalwe 07.23.24	Social media and the Americanisation of everything has poisoned the well
Egarran 07.23.24	Phero, as your therapist I order you to abandon all political discourse with people you disagree with. Don't even read their posts.
tectactoe 07.23.24	-- UPDATED TO THIS POINT -- budgie you remained Auth-Left but your social stance changed from quite progressive (~6 ish) to more centrist (1.88).
Demon of the Fall 07.23.24	me, ectier, pang, markjamie, hexfix and rolling girl all got the same score + alignment (8.13 Econ-left) the most common result it seems These seems like GOOD users, so I'm just going to assume we won
budgie 07.23.24	yeah tectickle, ive noticed myself getting way less sympathetic toward quite a few signature north american progressive concerns
GhandhiLion 07.23.24	INTP iirc
evilford 09.02.24	Don't think I've posted in here before Here is mine https://imgur.com/a/z6pfJRT
BaselineOOO 09.02.24	I don't know what political compass I have (I am not that compassionate to begin with), all I know is that Kamala Harris is one of the greatest women in history? I guess that makes me an authoritarian feminazi.
Egarran 09.02.24	It's weird how every story I read about her before her nomination made her seem like a nitwit token.
budgie 09.02.24	power is validating
Get Low 09.02.24	liberal left for life
Deathconscious 09.03.24	"think that political label is poisoned and I don't want to be associated with most people who would call themselves socialist today, people who advocate for the abolishment of capitalism" I dont want peanut butter anymore, its made with peanuts these days. "who are anti west on almost every foreign policy issue and who slurp up russian & chinese propaganda" Youre talking about tankies/red fascists.
budgie 09.03.24	can you find me a legitimate non-communist socialist party in a parliament somewhere and sometime in the past 70 years whose platform actually includes banning private firms?
Wildcardbitchesss 09.03.24	Idk but I wish it was all of them
Egarran 09.03.24	OK I'll bite: wut
DrMaximus 09.03.24	x: -9.33 y: -5.67 z: 9.69
mouldypigeon 09.04.24	I just retook this drunk version and got x: 0 y: 0 z: -4.06 Test seems kinda bogus, not enough questions, there must be something better
tectactoe 09.04.24	>Test seems kinda bogus, not enough questions, there must be something better As stated above/elsewhere, this is far from the most comprehensive political ideology test that exists and, like all these sorts of things, should be taken with a grain of salt; but you have to understand that we're on a nearly-defunct music website here and I realize that most users (understandably so) are not going to march through 600+ questions to rubberstamp what they presumably already know. So, brevity was a huge consideration here, and among the shorter tests in existence, Sapply is typically agreed upon by many to be one of the better ones - again, mostly as a litmus test for generalized leanings and not some hyper-accurate and intricate blueprint of one's entire political mindset.
Jurtz 09.04.24	x: -3 y: -1 z: 5.94
BaselineOOO 09.11.24	Harris lost the debate lmao. I guess it's time for me to move to CANADA. How is it even possible for the far right candidate to win TWO elections in this country, we're absolutely fucked.
Egarran 09.11.24	It's weird when Americans talk like they haven't been fucked for a century.
BaselineOOO 09.11.24	They earn more than Swiss people on median and have more wealth per capita at a 330 million population, wtf are you smoking? Have you ever been outside of the US?
Egarran 09.11.24	Nice Trump-like series of statements.
BaselineOOO 09.11.24	Quite the opposite, Trump says Americans are poorer than the Chinese I think lol
tectactoe 09.11.24	[-- UPDATED TO THIS POINT --] >It's weird when Americans talk like they haven't been fucked for a century. Living in a state of perpetual denial is what gets most of us through the day, please don't spoil our fun.
ArsMoriendi 09.11.24	“ Have you ever been outside of the US?” He’s not from North America, so I’d say yes he has
ArsMoriendi 09.11.24	As an American who watched the entire debate: Trump sounded like a sound-bite obsessed raving lunatic and Harris was actually explaining her plans for the US, so you’d have to be deluded into thinking Trump won When Harris told the crowd that she and Walz are gunowners and Trump went silent because he just accused them of wanting to ban all guns -that said it all. He hasn’t done his homework on Harris, just Biden He kept running to criticizing Biden to look good and kept getting things wrong about Harris due to this fact
zakalwe 09.11.24	Were you tucking into dawg while watching?
BaselineOOO 09.11.24	Now that we've agreed that Kamala Harris won the debate, what are the implications for the fate of our country?
zakalwe 09.11.24	The same as it’s always been. Do you honestly think Trump or Harris will actually be running the show?
tectactoe 09.11.24	The same as they were before the debate because it's not like self-proclaimed Democrats or Republicans are capable of changing their minds.
ArsMoriendi 09.11.24	Unfortunately, the debate is only meant for fence sitting “centrists” who are usually the most easily swayed people and anyone else watching was already locked Though I wonder if Trump straight up lying and saying the US was allowing post-pregnancy abortions will mobilize some pro-life morons who were too apathetic to vote, but hopefully the fact that that has always been illegal will mobilize some apathetic people on the left to not stay at home as well
rellik009 09.11.24	https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass_js?ec=-7.13&soc=-6.56
tectactoe 09.11.24	You're not wrong. But I think the amount of true centrists in the US who would legitimately consider voting either way is pathetically small (now so more than ever, honestly) and general voter apathy has been so strong for such a long time now that, again, if you couldn't be arsed to vote before this debate (or even the Biden debate), I doubt either instance would prompt action. Sure, a handful of people might. But thanks to America's abysmal two-party system, most people have their minds made up long before the candidates are even announced each term.
BaselineOOO 09.11.24	Is there any way to directly vote for the people in suits who run things, instead of wasting our time with fake democracy?
ArsMoriendi 09.11.24	So the Heritage Foundation vs. Goldman-Sachs
rellik009 09.11.24	Voldemort vs Darth Vader vs Palpatine (if we include PragerU)
tectactoe 04.24.25	I wonder where Jesse Lacey would place on this chart 🤔
Josh D. 04.24.25	Wherever he lands, add an extra 200 feet if it's near a school.
Josh D. 04.24.25	This thing thinks I've gotten even more left in the last few years. Where was I radicalized?! https://sapplyvalues.github.io/results.html?right=-7.67&auth=-2.33&prog=6.56
Eclecticism 04.24.25	Lib Left
deathschool 04.24.25	Kinda actually surprised that there aren’t any auth-right listed. Guess they’re hiding.
tectactoe 04.24.25	Cowards, the lot of 'em.
DadKungFu 04.24.25	This isn't the Wagner circlejerk
WretchedCacophony 04.24.25	I've always heard growing up that you become more conservative as you get older but I only go further left. And I can't say I've known many people to go more right as they got older either, except my buddy who 'had an epiphany' and totally believes Trump is right about everything after he listened to patrick bet david for the last couple years
jrlikestodance 04.24.25	Ima dirty leftist me thinks
evilford 04.24.25	Coulda swore I was on this Also a proud leftist here
Calc 04.24.25	the whole more conservative as you get older adage was probably more true before 2008 but I don't think it's really a thing anymore as the truth of what conservatives are these days is pretty hard to subscribe to if you're paying a lick of attention and care at all about people who are different than you.
zakalwe 04.24.25	Had another stab, still more or less the same Left / Right Axis (x): 0.67 Auth / Lib Axis (y): 0.33 Prog / Con Axis (z): -3.44
MillionDead 04.24.25	I'm thoroughly lib-left.
osmark86 04.24.25	Don't need no test to know I'm left