mkmusic1995: Who Ya Voting For?

ArsMoriendi 09.19.23	Tom Morello has experience in politics already, so I suppose he'd be the least terrible choice Uh 4 > 2 > 3 > 1
CaliggyJack 09.19.23	Generally I look at the candidates of both major parties, but if I don't like any of em I'll go independent.
CugnoBrasso 09.19.23	The fact that the US haven't got a major left wing party is beyond me, considering the amount of American leftists I've seen online. I'd vote for Kanye for the lulz I guess.
Pikazilla 09.19.23	online is the key word lmao
bellovddd 09.19.23	as an Aussie I would vote for Kanye just so I could sit back and watch the shitshow lol
JayEnder 09.19.23	I'm sure this will be a civil, respectful thread with a lot of positivity and cordial discussion
CugnoBrasso 09.19.23	"Socialist" is no longer a dirty word in US politics, I can't imagine American socialists (even self-proclaimed socialists who are actually social democrats) being less than 20 %.
IsisScript80 09.19.23	"I'd vote for Kanye for the lulz I guess." Thing about voting for the lulz, the notion of Donald Trump being president was a Simpsons joke a couple of decades ago. The real-world consequences of "the lulz" is fucking terrifying.
FrozenFirebug 09.19.23	4 is disqualified by default because communists aren't allowed to run in US elections and also because 4 guys don't fit on a president/vice president ticket even if they have half a brain each i'm doing a write in for fred durst of the break stuff party btw
AmericanFlagAsh 09.19.23	Never Republican no thank you Usually vote Democratic, but I don't fucking want Biden again, so tired of these old ass men as presidents
Hyperion1001 09.19.23	Fred durst yeah
markjamie 09.19.23	From an outsider's perspective looking in, we see people like Trump, MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, even Ron DeSantis, and it seems like the whole place has gone nuts. Great entertainment though...
artiswar 09.19.23	I'd vote for whoever was a gameshow host
CugnoBrasso 09.19.23	Yeah I would never vote for the lulz after Trump, I'm not that based.
pizzamachine 09.19.23	Just to piss off all of Sputnik, I’ll vote Otep
mkmusic1995 09.19.23	Write ins are welcome. This all came from an article I was reading where people were trying to persuade Taylor Swift to get into politics because her status and popularity have a positive impact on the US economy and I thought that was very funny.
ToSmokMuzyki 09.19.23	conrad lant for pres in perpetuity
Ryus 09.19.23	yeezy 4 prez
artiswar 09.19.23	Ye 4 prez and Otep as VP lol
BallsToTheWall 09.19.23	Spike Dudley For President 2024!
JohnnyoftheWell 09.19.23	"where people were trying to persuade Taylor Swift to get into politics because her status and popularity have a positive impact on the US economy" lmfao america is fucking doomed kanye would run on an anarcho-libertarian ticket. write in Tom Waits as america's final great old man prez for the dems, put taylor in the bin
budgie 09.19.23	""Socialist" is no longer a dirty word in US politics, I can't imagine American socialists (even self-proclaimed socialists who are actually social democrats) being less than 20 %.:" protip... in political science and historically, a social democrat party is a socialist party, social democratic policies are socialist policies, and social democrats are socialists. in underinformed journalist literature definitions have run wild and meaningless. which side do you want to propagate
CugnoBrasso 09.19.23	Yahhp but the US don't even have something similar to an average European social democrat party, at least not in mainstream politics. Deomcrats occasionally talk about LGBTQ+ rights, but that's it, it never goes any further than that. And I'm not implying that European social democracy is a model to export, let it be clear.
botb 09.19.23	Tom morello knows his shit but I also like stuff too much to exist in communism
JayEnder 09.19.23	Spike Dudley For President 2024! [2]
CugnoBrasso 09.19.23	I always vote two different parties for the executive branch and the legislative branch so I'm something of a hypocrite I guess.
mkmusic1995 09.19.23	"Ye 2 prez and Otep as VP lol" The country would explode, no one survives in that circumstance.
MeatSalad 09.19.23	Rage is probably the best choice cause of Tom Morello's education and their political leanings being mostly in line with Bernie Sanders, who should've been made president in 2016 or 2020 but alas, too many Americans don't want to live in an actual first world country. Hate to see it
ToSmokMuzyki 09.19.23	all hail saint jebus
Jots 09.19.23	“ protip... in political science and historically, a social democrat party is a socialist party, social democratic policies are socialist policies, and social democrats are socialists. in underinformed journalist literature definitions have run wild and meaningless. which side do you want to propagate” not entirely sure what you’re getting at here. social democrats are absolutely not socialists. they are different on a fundamental level
Supercoolguy64 09.20.23	“The fact that the US haven't got a major left wing party is beyond me, considering the amount of American leftists I've seen online” Online leftism is really just for show and the vast majority of guys that call themselves that are really just liberals that want attention. Even most of the genuine anarchist/Marxist still end up voting for the DNC in hopes that one day we’ll get a legitimate socialist party somehow.
evilford 09.20.23	Luc Lemay for us prez, idgaf that he wasn't born here All the better reason for him to be prez tbh
budgie 09.20.23	"not entirely sure what you’re getting at here. social democrats are absolutely not socialists. they are different on a fundamental level" read some political history. social democrats (and democratic socialists) were and are all socialists, all the historical social democratic parties were part of the socialist international. in political science, social democracy is a subset of socialism (and democratic socialism and social democracy are pretty nearly the same thing). it's shitty journalism practices that has ascribed bizarre definitions to these terms, just as it ascribes bizarre definitions to socialism, communism, capitalism, etc. help bring sense to the world by not polluting political discourse with orc-brained journalism nomenclature (sorry orcs) just to put some more emphasis in here, claiming democratic socialists aren't socialists is like saying pb&j isn't a sandwich
budgie 09.20.23	"Yahhp but the US don't even have something similar to an average European social democrat party, at least not in mainstream politics. Deomcrats occasionally talk about LGBTQ+ rights, but that's it, it never goes any further than that. And I'm not implying that European social democracy is a model to export, let it be clear." idk know really what this has to do with what you or i said previously but in any case sanders did have codeterminism in his campaign policies. that's pretty spicy for the US. but i guess sanders isn't mainstream
Dewinged 09.20.23	I'd vote Conan O'Brien
Jasdevi087 09.20.23	moloch or da baal for the next four years?
ToSmokMuzyki 09.20.23	on behalf of the orcs, fuck u
Jots 09.20.23	“ just to put some more emphasis in here, claiming democratic socialists aren't socialists is like saying pb&j isn't a sandwich” I said social democrats aren’t socialists. I didn’t say democratic socialists aren’t socialists Social democrats support/abide by a capitalist framework for their policies and reforms. Socialists do not. Socialists advocate for… socialism. How can they be the same? They (seem to) completely disagree on the fundamental frameworks they believe in. Honestly I’ve never encountered a published socialist claim that they’re the same (unless I’m utterly dropping the ball here memory-wise). Point me towards a specific writer and I’m willing to eat my words on that though.
Jots 09.20.23	unless you’re claiming that I should use the term “democratic socialist” in place of “socialist”, in which case I kinda see what you mean (?) not sure I’m picking up what you’re putting down is all if that’s it then yeah maybe my bad
pizzamachine 09.20.23	Yes hot dogs are sandwiches this is scientifically proven
Jots 09.20.23	(I edited that joke out because it was rude, but alas)
CaliggyJack 09.20.23	I want a major party that's economically conservative and socially liberal, but who also supports a universal basic income.
budgie 09.20.23	"Social democrats support/abide by a capitalist framework for their policies and reforms. Socialists do not. Socialists advocate for… socialism. How can they be the same?" ... Alsing Emanuel Andersen (5 February 1893 – 5 December 1962) was a Danish social democrat politician. He later served as the second President of the Socialist International from 1957 to 1962. ... Bruno Pittermann (3 September 1905 – 19 September 1983) was an Austrian social democrat politician. He served as both the chairman of the Social Democratic Party of Austria from 1957 to 1967, and the Vice Chancellor of Austria from 1957 to 1966. From 1964 to 1976, he was president of the Socialist International. ... Willy Brandt (born Herbert Ernst Karl Frahm; 18 December 1913 – 8 October 1992) was a German politician and statesman who was leader of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) from 1964 to 1987 and served as the chancellor of West Germany from 1969 to 1974. For sixteen years, Brandt was the president of the Socialist International (1976–92) ... oh but maybe you don't know what the SI is ... The Socialist International (SI) is a political international or worldwide organization of political parties which seek to establish democratic socialism. It consists mostly of social-democratic, socialist and labour political parties and organizations. ...
budgie 09.20.23	Social Democratic is the name of socialist parties in several countries. The term came to be associated with the positions of the German and Swedish parties. The first advocated revisionist Marxism, while the second advocated a comprehensive welfare state. By the 21st century, parties advocating social democracy include Labour, Left and some Green parties. Most social democratic parties consider themselves democratic socialists and are categorized as socialists. They continue to reference socialism, either as a post-capitalist order or, in more ethical terms, as a just society, described as representing democratic socialism, without any explicit reference to the economic system or its structure. Parties such as the Social Democratic Party of Germany and the Swedish Social Democratic Party describe their goal as developing democratic socialism, with social democracy as the principle of action. In the 21st century, European social democratic parties represent the centre-left and most are part of the European Socialist Party, while democratic socialist parties are to their left within the Party of the European Left. Many of those social democratic parties are members of the Socialist International, including several democratic socialist parties, whose Frankfurt Declaration declares the goal of developing democratic socialism. Others are also part of the Progressive Alliance, founded in 2013 by most contemporary or former member parties of the Socialist International. ... In the 19th century, social democrat was a broad catch-all for international socialists owing their primary ideological allegiance to Lassalle or Marx, in contrast to those advocating various forms of utopian socialism. In one of the first scholarly works on European socialism written for an American audience, Richard T. Ely's 1883 book French and German Socialism in Modern Times, social democrats were characterized as "the extreme wing of the socialists" who were "inclined to lay so much stress on equality of enjoyment, regardless of the value of one's labor, that they might, perhaps, more properly be called communists". Many parties in this era described themselves as Social Democrats, including the General German Workers' Association and the Social Democratic Workers' Party of Germany, which merged to form the Social Democratic Party of Germany, the Social Democratic Federation in Britain, and the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party. Social Democrat continued to be used in this context until the Bolshevik Revolution of October 1917, when Communist came into vogue for individuals and organizations espousing a revolutionary road to socialism.
budgie 09.20.23	Social democracy or social democratic remains controversial among socialists. Some define it as representing a Marxist faction and non-communist socialists or the right-wing of socialism during the split with communism. Others have noted its pejorative use among communists and other socialists. According to Lyman Tower Sargent, "socialism refers to social theories rather than to theories oriented to the individual. Because many communists now call themselves democratic socialists, it is sometimes difficult to know what a political label really means. As a result, social democratic has become a common new label for democratic socialist political parties." ... According to Friedrich Engels, by 1847 socialism, such as that of the Owenites and Fourierists, was considered a respectable, middle-class, or bourgeoise movement on the continent of Europe, while communism was considered a less respectable working-class movement associated with organizations such as those led by Wilhelm Weitling and Étienne Cabet. It was on this basis of appealing to a broad working class movement that Marx and Engels chose the term communist for their Communist Manifesto of 1848. Despite this initial preference, the use of the term communism was sparse from the 1860s onward, possibly due to its association with militancy in France and Germany, and instead the terms socialism or social democratic became preferred even by followers of the Marxist tradition. Socialism was the word predominantly used by Marxists up until World War I and the Bolshevik Revolution, at which time Vladimir Lenin made the conscious decision to replace the term socialism with communism, renaming the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party to the All-Russian Communist Party. ... social democracy is a stylization of socialism, period, as is democratic socialism. it is not fundamentally opposed to the traditional positions of socialism. don't confuse washington post for political literature
BAT 09.20.23	Registered as independent but never really got into Springsteen. Rage is my favorite group here but in terms of elected officials in 2023 I'd lean towards swift over kanye
Jots 09.20.23	gotcha, this might be another one of those American-journalists-and-politicians-whitewash-political-history things, which is what you were getting at initially anyway. my b, I get you now I think I initially assumed you meant within the sphere of American politics, im a bit slow ig
budgie 09.20.23	sounds good now lets eat some cheese
Jots 09.20.23	I mean, I still would disagree with you, and would personally side a bit more with Parenti’s distinctions, but maybe that’s neither here nor there (basing things more on the American-isms of those terms still, maybe)
Squiggly 09.20.23	Vote in Vermin Supreme, Vermin Supreme will save this country
EphemeralEternity 09.20.23	pretty sure t swizzle still pledges allegiance to the confederate flag in the morning
ToSmokMuzyki 09.20.23	friedrich engels was a bitch
tellah 09.20.23	if i was american dark brandon but not stoked on it
markjamie 09.20.23	Now I'm confused. What is my label? I've always thought I was a Social Democrat. I believe in freedom of movement, democratic voting and free speech. I believe that you should be able to earn more money by studying longer and / or working harder. I believe in higher taxes the more you earn, and 80% or higher taxes for every dollar earned over a few million. I believe in free health care, public transport and education paid for with these taxes. But every definition of socialism I've read involves social ownership of the means of production - I'm fine with private enterprise (although I think essential services such as energy and transport should be publicly owned). So anyway, what does that make me? I've always thought a Social Democrat.
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	yeah I mean I don’t know the big words but I was under the impression that social democrats are still capitalist. so even tho they’re miles better than regular libs and conservatives they’re not socialists. I mean I’m fine with being wrong because that just means more people agree with my ideals. But really, can we (Americans) just have universal healthcare and literally just better social programs to help working class people? yknow, shit that the wealthiest country in the fucking world should have
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	also, and this is just looking around at young people that I know, it really feels like republicans have been fucking around for years and really found out in the midterms last year. First time I’ve ever voted in a general election and I know more than a few people my age did the same.
neekafat 09.20.23	wow people still make vote for kanye jokes
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	yeah it was never really funny to me even as a bit, but now the idea of voting for the guy that’s even more unhinged than the other lunatic everyone was bitching about for four years sounds really unappealing in 2023 I mean obv he doesn’t actually have a chance but even just joking about it feels played out at this point
markjamie 09.20.23	I will never understand how the Republican party managed to convince so many working class Americans that universal health care is a bad thing.
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	The Democratic Party is arguably just as responsible. Bernie lost in 2016 and 2020 while being the only major candidate to advocate for it.
budgie 09.20.23	"I will never understand how the Republican party managed to convince so many working class Americans that universal health care is a bad thing." they didnt have to. shameless self interest is an intrinsic quality of the american national spirit and the thought of paying more in taxes to help someone 1000 miles away is an affront to our twisted idea of liberty
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	It gets even dumber than that, you seem smart budgie so I’m sure you already know this, but higher taxes for things like healthcare means we don’t have to pay for premiums. Its literally cheaper for 99% of Americans.
budgie 09.20.23	@markjamie and @wildcarbitchesss "But every definition of socialism I've read involves social ownership of the means of production " socialism as a sort of philosophy started way before marx in response to the behavior of capital in the eve of the industrial revolution. and still in contemporary political discourse socialism is using this philosophical spirit of social improvement. the "socialism means workers own the means of production" is a definition in an economic textbook and not very relevant in typical conversation. the economic theories of marx and engels have informed political socialist policies but you still have to separate political socialism from the very narrow meaning of scientific socialism. historically socialists branded themselves as social democrats, democratic socialists, communists, etc. depending on region and flavor but they are all socialists. modern journalism has come up with some new age definitions that don't allign with historical tradition which is why you believe a social democrat is a capitalist (whatever that means, even the USSR had a chunk of the economy functioning as private firms, does that mean the USSR was not socialist) and separate all that further from journalistic socialism which is "when government do thing."
budgie 09.20.23	"It gets even dumber than that, you seem smart budgie so I’m sure you already know this, but higher taxes for things like healthcare means we don’t have to pay for premiums." yeah im an american and a voter and my #1 issue by far is functional state healthcare, the whole premise of sociopolitical organization is pointless to me without the state paying out healthcare treatment from revenue
CugnoBrasso 09.20.23	You guys are going to love my submission for that sputnik collaboration thing
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	Damn reading all of that kinda makes me want start picking up some history books. I don’t think I’ve read anything nonfiction since high school. Like I know for instance the French Revolution was populist, but I never really thought about labeling anyone pre Marx as socialist even though a lot of really old movements pretty much were in all but name.
budgie 09.20.23	it's all coming together huh, marx didn't even coin socialism, as far as i know it was a french philosopher who was building off some other french philosophers of the french revolution period
Jasdevi087 09.20.23	what budgie is saying is also why little baby boys turn their noses up and cry when you tell them that Orwell was socialist
CugnoBrasso 09.20.23	is it though
Jasdevi087 09.20.23	i feel as though it is and that's good enough for me
Jasdevi087 09.20.23	well, i mean that and the fact that the kind of person who would get upset at learning that is also the kind of person that lacks the critical thinking skills to actually parse nineteen eighty-four anyway
ToSmokMuzyki 09.20.23	2 + 2 = 5 bitch
mkmusic1995 09.20.23	I ignored this for a bit and holy shit, what have I come back to.
artiswar 09.20.23	wait are hot dogs really considered sandwiches? I've never really considered that before. Mind is blown
artiswar 09.20.23	I've never once thought to myself "I'm going to get a hot dog sandwich"
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	Strictly as an observation of people who describe themselves as social democrats they can be people who have no intention of moving past capitalism but like nordic model social safety nets and shit or actual socialists who see it as part of the process towards socialism.
Prancer 09.20.23	you know america is a joke when the best we can do is biden or desantis, or trump 2.0
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	Biden hasn't been bad overall tbh, just not an inspiring figure. Hard to get stuff done with half the political apparatus being completely opposed to doing anything good.
artiswar 09.20.23	all jokes aside, it's going to be Trump 2024 right? The pendulum is swinging back the other way, that's what it feels like to me anyway
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	I don't think so, there's a cultural whiplash with Republifascists stirring people up against trans and queer people but the guy instigated a coup attempt, abortion rights got rolled back, etc. these things have huge repercussions, republicans are pretty unpopular. As much as Biden isn't inspiring, he's also just not that controversial. Doesn't inspire tons of hate in the median voter.
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	ya I don’t see it. Trump will most def me the nominee but I don’t see him beating Biden. There are more people sick of his shit than there are people that still love him imo
artiswar 09.20.23	But no Trump voter cares much about any of those things. You're describing things from a strictly liberal perspective. Biden is extremely controversial to anyone who likes Trump
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	The core maga voter is a minority in america thankfully, the median voter doesn't view biden in the same way.
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	Trump got smoked by 6 million votes before instigating a coup attempt and abortion getting rolled back, both obviously enormously unpopular, can't see him doing better now.
artiswar 09.20.23	I think he has a 50-60% shot easily
Prancer 09.20.23	it's mainly just biden's age for me. I mean really why should anyone over 70-75 even be allowed to run? it seems like it's the standard at this point for first term presidents to always run for a second term, but do the dems really think people will want to vote in an 80 year old man?
artiswar 09.20.23	it's a binary choice, so yes. If you have to pick the evil orange man or the old senile man, a lot of people will pick the old senile man. Just how it goes
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	Ironically artiswar you're hung up in a conservative perspective here, you can't shift your argument away from "how unpopular is biden with trump voters". The question hinges on the median moderate voter, not each side's core voter group. Moderates are more perturbed by Trump than Biden, as they were in 2020.
ToSmokMuzyki 09.20.23	my allegiance goes to president hazhurjamajeitjwazr
artiswar 09.20.23	2024 feels like a coin flip between Biden and Trump at this point. That's not a conservative perspective, I'm just observing what's happening. I don't even live in the US but I wish everyone there well. It's easy to get demoralized these days sadly
ToSmokMuzyki 09.20.23	incorrect you have the most conservative persective and you must now be destroyed
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	No I mean your argument here was literally only that Biden is unpopular with Trump fans lol.
artiswar 09.20.23	am I wrong or is the country not basically split 50/50 on Biden/Trump supporters at this point?
ToSmokMuzyki 09.20.23	it is a republican conspiracy
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	In the sense that on the final ballot there's two guys and everyone votes for one of them, sure. The truth is that there's a democratic core and there's a republican core, who are rabid lifetime partisan voters, and then there's a whole bunch of people who can go either way as well as sometimes voters and untapped registered voters. We had big new turnout in the last two waves of elections. Half the country is not rabid MAGA types, it's a much smaller fraction.
artiswar 09.20.23	not everyone who voted trump or would vote trump is a rabid MAGA type. Holy shit, how do you not get that by now
Minortimbo12 09.20.23	Idc what you guys pick, but if you vote biden again you are retarted. Im not revealing my vote
artiswar 09.20.23	Vivek or Ye voter lol
Minortimbo12 09.20.23	nahh
artiswar 09.20.23	Desantis?? I hate to break it to you but he's done as far as his presidential campaign goes
Minortimbo12 09.20.23	nahh
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	“ Idc what you guys pick, but if you vote biden again you are retarted.” “Idc who you guys pick, but if you pick the better of the two you’re retarded”
artiswar 09.20.23	Nikki Haley? Fuck off
Minortimbo12 09.20.23	are you okay HE NIBBLES CHILDREN
Minortimbo12 09.20.23	@artiswar nahhhhhhh
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	Idk what that means but I’m voting for policy not the man. And as much as I despise the Democratic Party they align far closer to my views than the Republican Party does If you wanna go that route didn’t trump rape women and try to overthrow the election? Some people pick some really low hills to die on for some reason
Minortimbo12 09.20.23	I didnt say I was voting for trump and I dont wanna die in the womb
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	And there it is lol
Minortimbo12 09.20.23	there is what
artiswar 09.20.23	AHA I got it. You're voting RFKJ
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	Is he anti abortion? I thought his big thing was anti vaxx I mean let’s quit pussyfutting around, I don’t give a shit who you vote for. Independent parties in this country are a joke, and unless one of them dies it’s gonna be Trump v Biden again
artiswar 09.20.23	is it not possible to be for more than 1 position lol. Also he's for certain abortion restrictions yeah
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	no it totally is lol that’s not what I meant. I meant that I thought the only real break he has from dem policy norms is the anti vaxx stuff. I haven’t heard anything about him being anti choice or anything. Whatever tho doesn’t change anything for me, dudes not going anywhere. If anything that makes me think he’s an even bigger idiot for running as a dem
artiswar 09.20.23	I like some of his policies but he will never be elected so it doesn't matter yeah
Minortimbo12 09.20.23	@artiswar If you havent noticed Ive been saying no to every canditate you think Im voting for I am voting just not revealing cuz then I'LL get banned somehow
chemicalmarriage 09.20.23	Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
artiswar 09.20.23	no one cares what third party candidate you're voting for goofball lol I'm just asking cause I'm bored
budgie 09.20.23	"I am voting just not revealing cuz then I'LL get banned somehow" humor me please with your spicy political positions that you think will get you banned
Gameofmetal 09.20.23	Artiswar literally cannot read is what Ive learned from this thread sadge.
artiswar 09.20.23	oh yeah? how so
artiswar 09.20.23	I was responding to minor not you if that's the confusion
CugnoBrasso 09.20.23	AudreyMyers would be proud of this list.
mkmusic1995 09.20.23	"humor me please with your spicy political positions that you think will get your banned." Timbo...are you voting for Hitler?
MyNameIsPencil 09.20.23	i live in illinois so my vote for president is as good as pissing in the wind
zakalwe 09.20.23	I’ll vote for the banks and central globalist cabal who’ve been running things for decades.
TheArtofTheGanja 09.20.23	Same but in Indiana, I don’t vote anymore
mkmusic1995 09.20.23	Your vote matters here but also, agreed, under the current American political structure, our votes mean jack shit.
CaliggyJack 09.20.23	I'm somewhat right wing but I would still give Bidens 1st term a 7/10 at least. It's not perfect but he has done some good things too.
Jasdevi087 09.20.23	and I'd still give you a wedgie and take your girlfriend up to kissy kiss hill dork stfu
CugnoBrasso 09.20.23	Oh Jas, if only sputnik had thumbs up
artiswar 09.20.23	lol jas wtf
Frost15 09.20.23	"am I wrong or is the country not basically split 50/50 on Biden/Trump supporters at this point?" That's basically almost every western civ country nowadays. Now who benefits from that? Divide et impera. Are we really choosing anything via voting or is this all in illusion created by some powers that transcend states and politics? Alea jacta est...
radianteclipse 09.20.23	I just want somone under 60 but I guess I will go with Biden? I feel like the choices we currently have are absolute trash and it's a lose-lose situation regardless but I like some things Biden has done.
CugnoBrasso 09.20.23	Yeah Frost, not to mention the chemtrails
zakalwe 09.20.23	Who’s that old boy from the House of Representatives who had a couple of complete mind blanks recently? Whack him in for a laugh. Couldn’t get any worse.
radianteclipse 09.20.23	So many problems would be solved if they just put an age or term limit on politicians. Nancy Pelosi is like 90 and announced she is running for re-election. Mitch McConnel is so far gone I'm not even sure he qualifies as being alive, let alone fit to serve.
artiswar 09.20.23	age-phobic
radianteclipse 09.20.23	I am a little age-phobic honestly. I just don't see the point of sticking around at that age. You've surely made enough to retire and you could literally die any day now. What is the point?
mkmusic1995 09.20.23	I'm all for "get old people out of politics."
Invaderbryan 09.20.23	Age racist
Frost15 09.20.23	"Yeah Frost, not to mention the chemtrails" I'm going to guess you are being sarcastic but nah, I don't think chemtrails are that important (haven't looked into them seriously though) but the way the theory is spreading among certain places smells like trojan horse, same as flat earth. "Age racist" Gerontophobia is becoming a very prevalent "hidden" idea in the civilized world. As a person who's worked with the elderly for many years it makes me really sad, but it's not surprising given what we've been calling "progress", the lifestyle of instant pleasures and dopamine addiction, the chemical war against nature (which include our own bodies), the quasi-narcissistic fear of aging...
artiswar 09.20.23	you're just saying that cause you're on the chem trails
TheArtofTheGanja 09.20.23	Meanwhile Mitt Romney is only 76 and announced he’s retiring. Never thought I’d congratulate him on anything but props for knowing when to step aside
Frost15 09.20.23	"you're just saying that cause you're on the chem trails" I swear I'm being honest my man.
radianteclipse 09.20.23	Good on Romney. Maybe that'll set an example. (Probably not)
CugnoBrasso 09.20.23	I just wanted everybody to know that "pelosi" is Italian for "furries", I'm not kidding.
budgie 09.20.23	binders full of women!
Wildcardbitchesss 09.20.23	Mitch McConnell would be pretty funny especially if he continues to pause and drool for five minutes during every interview
ToSmokMuzyki 09.20.23	i wanna be paid to pause and drool
ConcubinaryCode 09.20.23	"I don't think chemtrails are that important (haven't looked into them seriously though) but the way the theory is spreading among certain places smells like trojan horse, same as flat earth." It is, those type of conspiracies are used as a litmus test to see how far bad actors can manipulate people into believing absurdities.
ConcubinaryCode 09.20.23	Also the election won't be until next year, why ask this far in advance anyway? Oh my bad, I didn't understand the list. Probably rage.
ToSmokMuzyki 09.20.23	jokes on u im a military pilot and convinced the government to distribute my farts via air mail
pizzamachine 09.20.23	Big if true
bellovddd 09.20.23	this thread really took off
Minortimbo12 09.21.23	"Timbo...are you voting for Hitler?" This made me laugh so frickin hard omfg
Minortimbo12 09.21.23	also @artiswar I said no to the candidate Im voting for
Jasdevi087 09.23.23	ikr? blows my mind that people are discussing politics in the politics thread
mkmusic1995 09.24.23	More of a joke list rather than a serious location to discuss politics but I know some people can't resist
Senetrix666 09.24.23	cornel west ftw
Wildcardbitchesss 09.25.23	clearly the best option but no chance he gets anywhere.
Senetrix666 09.25.23	😢
Dedes 09.25.23	Zack De La Rocha president, Kanye West vice.
budgie 09.25.23	the fuck do kanye and zach have in common i can hardly think of two people more dissimilar
Wildcardbitchesss 09.25.23	Zack is based as fuck and Kanye is right wing brain rot personified. I don’t even really fuck with RATM but those guys seem cool as fuck
Senetrix666 09.25.23	I hope Marianne doesnt pull a Bernie and drop out only to immediately start singing the praises of Biden
Wildcardbitchesss 09.25.23	she probably will. I mean I don’t blame her or the Bern dog. Biden sucks but harm reduction is still important. I’d happily take him over literally every republican.
budgie 09.25.23	"Zack is based as fuck noam chommer crew checkin in
budgie 09.25.23	"I hope Marianne holy fuck her chin is a traffic hazard
Shamus248 09.25.23	My vote is up for grabs it could go to Claudia de la Cruz (Party for Socialism & Liberation), it could go to Dr. Cornel West (Green), shit, I might even hold my nose for RFK Jr if for no other reason but to help expose that the DNC will never come to the table. I'm disappointed he's running as a Dem, but perhaps he can do what Bernie Sanders should have done years ago One thing is for certain, though; I'm not voting for Trump and I'm not voting for Biden. Fuck both of these racist, warmongering, sauntering senile fuckwits and fuck anyone actively playing defense for them like they're good people
budgie 09.25.23	cornel west reads woo as fuck to me. inspired by black panthers and is anti-NATO? i'm looking through mariannes campaign page "Large corporations will be required to let workers elect board members. This has been successfully deployed in Europe, letting workers have more control over corporate decision making that affects wages and benefits. Workers on corporate boards are more patriotic and work in their community’s best interest on issues of outsourcing or investments." yay a mainstream codetermination position. thanks bernie for opening up the floodgates of Socialism™ she'll get my vote unless i keep reading and she is anti nuclear or something idiotic like that
Wildcardbitchesss 09.25.23	As far as I know her policies are pretty in line with what Bernie had going on. She just has way less name recognition and is running against an incumbent. I really see no other outcome than trump or (more likely, imo) Biden
budgie 09.25.23	yeah id assume biden has this keyed in hard but the fact shes his primary competitor and her positions are a continuation of bernies is another foot forward. doesnt need to win to help normalize the leftward drift of the democratic party
Shamus248 09.25.23	Democratic party is never gonna "drift" left let alone swing left. They will continue to prostitute themselves to the same special interests (Wall St, MIC, big pharma) as their Republican counterparts and pay lip service to ethnic and cultural minorities while the rest of us will still be bickering about identity politics Bernie Sanders said in 1995 that there needs to be a "rainbow coalition" outside of the Democratic party, which (and these are his words) had sold out so many times that they cannot be turned around. It's time for class solidarity and to get in the streets. We're not getting Medicare for All or $15 an hour otherwise
budgie 09.25.23	ok go vote for the black panthers guy i guess
Shamus248 09.25.23	Sure, why don't you join me? I keep hearing that I have to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils, as if my singular vote is going to prevent "literal fascism" (which we kind of already have) from coming to America If you think your vote is really that powerful, use it as a battering ram and hold the major party closest to your ideology hostage. If they don't concede to your core demands, there's this cute, nifty thing you do called using logic and don't fucking vote for them
budgie 09.25.23	im going to use that cute nifty thing called logic and not vote for an ethnonationalist 🙂
Wildcardbitchesss 09.25.23	way I see it, I live in a red state. I’ll vote blue down the line in everything, we got Cori Bush to beat Clay in my district, so that’s obv a W. But yeah I’ll probably vote third party for president next year. Really, if you live in a purple state yes, you should just hold your nose and vote for Biden. It fucking sucks, I hate him, I hate most dems. But the lesser of two evils is still the lesser of two evils. Had Hillary won, we Roe probably wouldn’t have been overturned (and i am NOT blaming lefties critical of Hillary for that, I didn’t vote for the bitch either, she ran a shit campaign and paid the consequences), but if there’s even the slightest chance of marginal positive change then ya, I’ll take dems over republicans any day of the week.
SomeCallMeTim 09.25.23	Vermin Supreme
Minortimbo12 09.25.23	Shamus are you really voting for socialism
Snake. 09.25.23	revolution pls
Storm In A Teacup 09.25.23	"she ran a shit campaign and paid the consequences" This was the biggest lesson the mainstream democratic party didnt learn. Her campaign against both Sanders and Trump was both eggregiously deficient and dismissive.
ffs 09.25.23	no outcomes are good. the downward trajectory is permanent. embrace your loved ones
Shamus248 09.25.23	To expand on Storm's point, the lesson was also that people all across the US, and all across the ideological spectrum were and are yearning and clamoring for a turnover in Washington. There's a reason 12% of Sanders supporters and former 2-time Obama voters in the rustbelt (Michigan, Wisconsin, etc) all defected to Trump. Trump was a wildcard who, while certainly sympathetic to xenophobes and culture warriors who think not being able to say "Merry Christmas" is a real issue, was unafraid to insult and hammer his opponents on outsourcing (TPP), wars (Iraq especially), infrastructure and so on. People were so tired of politics as usual that they rolled the dice on a demagogue game show host w/ a dead honey badger on his head. It was a charade; once he got in, he just rolled over and let the "experts" (e.g. generals and top brass in military when it came to foreign policy), put everything on autopilot and continued the failed policies of his predecessors. He didn't start any new wars, but he didn't end any either. He cut taxes for the rich and sometimes said the quiet part out loud ("we're taking Syria's oil") Trump merely put an ugly face on the ugly things our government was doing for decades prior. He's not a suitable enough steward of imperialism, so the establishment (i.e. the class that favors Biden, Romney and even George fucking Bush) castigated him as being far more dangerous than he really is. Not saying he isn't, but I'm not drunk on TDS kool-aid. I'm acutely aware of what caused him to get elected and the lessons that needed to be learned as a result and the Democratic party did not nor ever will learn that lesson