mkmusic1995: Timeline of Metalcore Records That I See as Important

mkmusic1995 12.29.22	Yes sorry lol it's a slow progress trying to do this and get my actual work done. I'm definitely gonna miss a few here and there, i.e. I didn't include Underoath mainly because I see them more as post-hardcore, Of Mice & Men I didn't include because I feel like the style they do is done better by other bands but definitely still noteworthy in theie contributions to where the genre develops over time.
Mort. 12.29.22	enter shikaris first lp was more influential in popularising electronic metalcore than i see stars
mkmusic1995 12.29.22	this is already contentious, and I'm not even fucking done yet lol
DadKungFu 12.29.22	Deadguy, Rorschach, Coalesce?
MarsKid 12.29.22	I might have some minor disagreements here
MarsKid 12.29.22	Dude I'm sorry but in no way are Architects involved in the story of post-metalcore. If ANYTHING, they got on-board of a trend that they 100% did not start. Of all the examples to pick for that sound, from that era, you pick them...
Emim 12.29.22	You say essential, but this seems more like a time line than anything. Could've used a lot more of the early years
Emim 12.29.22	Like how tf does Botch not get a spot
Drifter 12.29.22	>makes essential list >acknowledges leaving out essential bands as if its not the point of the list to include them
mkmusic1995 12.29.22	Listen, I get it everyone. I'm gonna miss some bands that you might feel are more important than others. I grew up with post-2005 metalcore for the most part. That's the stuff I know best. I also know that people get upset when they don't see their favorite artists as the pioneers they want them to, that's fine. I'm mainly referring to some of these as the peak points when a sub-genre is seeing it's highest sales and most abundant popularity.
MarsKid 12.29.22	Rolo blew up on their own terms, do not attach their talent to the charisma void that is Spiritbox. I'd say quit while you're ahead but whew lad I don't think we're near the surface at this rate.
MarsKid 12.29.22	I respect that you are going by artists you know and enjoy, but those artists were not necessarily pioneers or essential to trends in any way. They might have capitalized on them, but few started them.
mkmusic1995 12.29.22	>makes essential list >acknowledges there are other bands that do similar styles to bands I already mentioned. >tries not to repeat too much of the same points >acknowledges having subjective opinions
Drifter 12.29.22	is essential really a subjective term though 🤔
mkmusic1995 12.29.22	Capitalizing on a trend is certainly a good way to look at it. Bands that have exploded based on certain factors in the genre, these are essentially bands that have taken it to it's highest highs in terms of popularity, not necessarily in quality of music. I much prefer Rolo Tomassi over Spiritbox, but their influence is undeniable to modern metalcore
Demon of the Fall 12.29.22	‘Rolo blew up on their own terms, do not attach their talent to the charisma void that is Spiritbox.‘ (2) Lol, guess I won’t read the rest of this if such comparisons were indeed made
mkmusic1995 12.29.22	essential to me and the way I view the genre I guess. I don't really like A Day To Remember or I Prevail or newer Parkway but it's hard to ignore that these bands have capitalized on a trend or sound and have popularized a certain sub-set of metalcore in their own way
Drifter 12.29.22	list should just be erra’s first two albums repeated
MarsKid 12.29.22	I feel like this is essential to you which I 100% respect, as what means a lot to you means a lot etc etc you're valid But I think the issue is over calling these essential to the progression of the genre while few of these have changed the game at all. You could argue instead that a fair few simplified it for the mainstream and were generaly harmful.
Drifter 12.29.22	with some songs from waking the fallen sprinkled in
Drifter 12.29.22	that’s the extent of my metalcore knowledge thanks for having me
Space Jester 12.29.22	Maybe change the name of the list to like “metalcore albums that I like through the years” because this is far and away from a comprehensive list of metalcore essentials, seems like you have a pretty surface-level knowledge of the genre
Drifter 12.29.22	feather we can’t just allow the english language to be abused and misused.
Space Jester 12.29.22	This is like if I made an essential death metal list that had the first 5 albums being by Death, Cannibal Corpse, Obituary, Morbid Angel and Deicide then all the rest was just deathcore
Mort. 12.29.22	im currently working on rating all 200 albums on the metalcore all time charts that will be my goodbye to the genre
MarsKid 12.29.22	I have never made a core list tbh, there are amazing lists on this website already that can both get people started and dive into deep cuts. I'd rather let those lists stay as they are than add another that would mostly be the same.
mkmusic1995 12.29.22	I appreciate those coming to my defense, I can agree with changing the name of the list to reflect it being more of my personal views rather than an all-encompassing list that should define how people view the genre. I appreciate the feedback from those that don't agree with the list, it honestly just gives me more drive to learn more and explore more nooks and crannies of the genre.
MarsKid 12.29.22	I think the naming of this threw me off, as well as some of the blurbs just... really not being accurate, honestly. And the focus on a more mainstream style of the genre means that only part of its development is being told, and a lot of the groups that got popular did so because of the work of other bands before them. That said, Sputnik's metalcore community is one of the most active and open around, so if you wanna deep dive, we got the resources my man.
mkmusic1995 12.29.22	I appreciate that my friend, always willing to learn and explore new things.
MarsKid 12.29.22	Well if the idea of post-metalcore interests you, I did a series where I attempted to trace and catalog it. Might be something up your alley! It name-drops other popular bands at the time in both the mainstream and underground and I have a lil Playlist for it! https://www.sputnikmusic.com/blog/2020/11/18/post-metalcore-the-little-genre-that-could-part-i/
mkmusic1995 12.29.22	That would definitely be something im interested in, I will be checking this out for sure. I appreciate it :D
Mort. 12.29.22	mars really should post his own metalcore list because his taste is still quite unique and he has a lot of knowledge
Calc 12.29.22	A+ for the effort mayne
MarsKid 12.30.22	I plan on doing absolutely nothing related to 2023 until February beyond choice releases, and I'll be doing deep dives and revisits of albums in the meantime. Might compile a list if I feel like it would be worthy! But I also am gonna explore hip-hop, jazz, etc. so we will see
deathofasalesman 12.30.22	this list and these comments keep gettin spicier ;)
JDubb 12.30.22	Simmer down folks - list is good. My recollection of the early 2000’s was that Hatebreed paved the way into the mainstream, and Killswitch Engage took it from there. Atreyu was also responsible for making Metalcore big. Shadows Fall were a purer form, but not as revered by all. BFMV jumped on the wagon, but were great. The recognition of Cave In and other progenitors didn't happen til later. Not sure that A7X was as influential in the early 2000’s.
Space Jester 12.30.22	Atreyu invented metalcore haven’t you heard
Uzumaki 12.30.22	Sooooooo…… does anyone have any extra dip? I’ve got a bag of tortilla chips.
botb 12.30.22	Love the idea, hate the choices lmao
anode 12.30.22	Acme - to reduce a choir to one soloist (1994) started it all
Sinternet 12.30.22	agree with others bringing up a lot of inconsistencies, but i guess the effort is to be applauded most notably, nobody points to that earth crisis record as the beginning of metalcore. integrity's those who fear tomorrow was released back in 1991, and artits like rorschasch, downcast and starkweather were all bubbling up around that same time
Sinternet 12.30.22	as others have also pointed out, metalcore's first 'mainstream' band to say was atreyu (along with the infamous + hilarious quote, although i'd say their poppier take on metalcore was innovative in its own way)
Sinternet 12.30.22	like even if you want to include earth crisis as being part of the first wave (which they were), why would you not use their earlier, better and more influential ep firestorm
Sinternet 12.30.22	also re: more progressive metalcore i don't think you can avoid mentioning bands like between the buried and me, protest the hero and after the burial (the latter especially for the more mainstream sound that came to popularity in the early 2010s)
botb 12.30.22	I might just make one of these for first-third wave metalcore for funsies later, we will see if I actually follow through
BookoftheFallen 12.30.22	uh where is poison the well?
MarsKid 12.30.22	But why did they poison the well
mkmusic1995 12.30.22	I see a lot of really great points being made and really important bands being brought up especially Integrity, Downcast, Between the Buried and Me, Poison the Well and Atreyu as well. I think I should note that a lot of these songs are indeed the biggest singles from their respective albums because they are the ones that made the biggest waves in terms of popularity, not necessarily because they are the best songs the band has to offer. I really hope that others do indeed make their own lists because as I said in some previous comments, I really do enjoy just learning more and finding new bands that I haven't heard of before like Sinternet brought up Starkweather which isn't a name I'm familiar with, so I'll have to check them out.
mkmusic1995 12.30.22	And while I know that not everyone is as forgiving or 'light' with their opinions in this thread, I do genuinely appreciate the criticism as I'm always trying to do better, educate myself further in a genre I love and honestly, get to know others on this site and what music they love.
MarsKid 12.30.22	It's all good my man, I might have gotten a bit heated because post-metalcore is like my baby, I gotta care for it and defend it lol
mkmusic1995 12.30.22	I respect that. I admire the passion!
mkmusic1995 12.30.22	And Mars, I started reading the series you linked and I can tell that I'll have a lot of great bands to dive into so thanks for that. I'll be reading throughout the day.
SlothcoreSam 12.30.22	Ego Fall - Spirit of Mongolia, is peak folk metalcore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XXUZ-81s0
mkmusic1995 12.30.22	I will be checking this out on my drive home from work, this looks really interesting.
AlexKzillion 12.30.22	think this is a great summation of the genre from a commercial sense. i def would've added the first periphery or volumes or erra album to this list tho. i know veil of maya is supposed to represent djent, but they def hopped on the wave which by 2015 had already peaked/began going down hill as a movement besides the flagship bands
mkmusic1995 12.30.22	I'm not a big fan either but I think they did make enough of an impact to be worthy of some sort of recognition. I also agree with Periphery or even Born of Osiris just to help represent that style of the genre.
Sinternet 12.30.22	"Poison the Well suck" credibility revoked
porcupinetheater 12.30.22	czech Admiral Angry - Buster
MoM 12.30.22	[2]
MarsKid 12.30.22	I'm sorry sir but your credibility was revoked, we are only at [2] as a result
Uzumaki 12.31.22	No one answered if there was more dip left…
Emim 12.31.22	"Poison the Well suck, you can just take that right off thanks" I too eat paint chips
Mort. 12.31.22	poison the well have some absolute bangers
Uzumaki 12.31.22	Dammit. Welp, mkmusic, I’ve got a list you can peruse of what I consider to be the best albums that the -core genres have to offer.
Emim 12.31.22	Uzu did you ever come across Pergamum on your mxc journey?
Uzumaki 12.31.22	Nyet, kamerade
FreakMachine 12.31.22	Not having BVB on here is absolutely ridiculous. If the list was metalcore albums you like I could understand it not being here, but they were literally responsible for many many thousands of youngsters getting into metalcore music. And still headline stages to this day despite abandoning that style of music and generally not haivng that same gateway appeal anymore.
Josh D. 12.31.22	Don't know how you can include Unearth and not have the selection be The Oncoming Storm.
Mort. 12.31.22	ban freakmachine for that comment
BMDrummer 01.01.23	would argue that Integrity's Systems Overload is one of the first metalcore albums
Emim 01.01.23	"Nyet, kamerade" I rediscovered them this week and forgot how much they rip. Good thrashy mxc
Uzumaki 01.01.23	Duly noted. Give Cattlepress’ “Hordes to Abolish the Divine” a spin if you got time.
Emim 01.01.23	Will do brother 🤙