Muhlysa: Going vegan | Sputnikmusic

garas 10.28.19	I belive it was a strong experience, but saying "Anyone who eats meat should be ashamed of themselves." is cringy. And plants suffer too. Our lives depends on consuming other organisms, accept that.
Muhlysa 10.28.19	I'm sorry. I was just emotional after the video. My boyfriend was laughing the entire time
Itwasthatwas 10.28.19	Kill your own meat, catch your own fish
garas 10.28.19	No probs, I just don't like these lists. I hope you'll get over this experience soon.
ToastSandwich1 10.28.19	Plants don't suffer in the same way. They do not have a central nervous system. But even if they did, you could make a moral argument that it is NECESSARY to kill plants for our survival. The same cannot be said about animals, which we can survive without. And "kill your own meat, catch your own fish" would not work on a global scale, unless mass species extinctions and total environmental collapse is your goal.
alamo 10.28.19	he knows that. anyone that says "plants suffer too" is just a prick
Itwasthatwas 10.28.19	its necessary to kill animals for our optimal function, sorry The future is synthetic meat tho
FadeToBlack2 10.28.19	stop huffing your own farts and show me a picture of a long term vegan who doesn't look like a terminally ill cancer patient. go on, I'll wait.
alamo 10.28.19	you're mom
Calc 10.28.19	I saw something similar to this when I was like 9 or 10 ten and the sound the pig made still haunts me to this day. but meat is yummy and humans wouldn't have evolved the way they did if they weren't meant to eat meat. as always the answer to the problem is population control which aint gonna happen so...
StarlessCore 10.28.19	Vegan is dangerous, unhealthy and stupid
DoofDoof 10.28.19	good luck - try not to die from a chronic lack of vit B12 buy the supplements, test your body is absorbing them correctly nothing like a healthy natural as the earth intended diet
ToastSandwich1 10.28.19	Why is it necessary? Vitamin B12? It comes from soil bacteria anyway, and it's easy to supplement. In fact, a lot of livestock animals are supplemented with it too.
garas 10.28.19	Oh boy, this is going to be fun. https://media.giphy.com/media/pUeXcg80cO8I8/giphy.gif
DoofDoof 10.28.19	all I know is a lot of veggies I know from friend and family circles got cancer - advice; 'back on meat, pronto' be careful
ToastSandwich1 10.28.19	Vegan is difficult, but it's not unhealthy or stupid. It's hard, but only because we live in a minefield of animal products. Imaging walking into a supermarket at seeing an entire aisle full of frozen vegan pizzas. It would be so easy, but today you might find one pizza that's vegan vs 100 that aren't. This is changing though.
Itwasthatwas 10.28.19	Supplements aren’t the same thing as eating real food. For instance cardiologists thought fish oil was going to be a paradigm shift for cholesterol management and heart health, and even though it raises your HDL cholesterol it doesn’t have the same health and mortality benefit as eating the real thing
ToastSandwich1 10.28.19	Animals don't produce B12 themselves. They get it from bacteria in soil, and with most livestock being fed soybeans, they need to be supplemented with B12 too. B12 supplements are produced using bacteria and if you take them with your meal they are absorbed just as well. I drink oat milk and get all my B12 from it.
FadeToBlack2 10.28.19	the guy was just mumbling about frozen pizzas. like all vegans he obviously has no idea what "eating healthy" actually entails.
ArsMoriendi 10.28.19	The future is synthetic meat [2]
DoofDoof 10.28.19	I like the idea of vegetarian/vegan diets - I prob eat 20-25% vegan/veggie meals. I’m old and cynical - I don’t want to be a guinea pig on this lifestyle, still needs work to guarantee its genuinely healthier long term If that changes, once all the research has been done, I’ll think about it. I just know a few people have been recommended by doctors to go back to eating meat. Maybe they just didn’t know how to feed themselves.
ToastSandwich1 10.28.19	FadeToBlack2, I was just describing how it is difficult to be a vegan because of the limited availability of vegan foods. I just chose pizza as an example.
Sinternet 10.28.19	definitely read this as going virgin
CaimanJesus 10.28.19	Can vegans give head?
alamo 10.28.19	"Maybe they just didn’t know how to feed themselves." yeah that happens. or they didn't care - even going vegetarian can damage your health if you dont pay attention to what you're eating
KenboSlice 10.28.19	I have no problem with vegans. I just hate the kind who try to shove it down peoples throats. My friends wife is a recently converted vegan and has been a huge cunt about it.
Chortles 10.28.19	"If that changes, once all the research has been done, I’ll think about it. I just know a few people have been recommended by doctors to go back to eating meat. Maybe they just didn’t know how to feed themselves." I think that last line is the key -- a lot of people jump into a plant-based/vegan diet too quickly without the awareness of how they should do it and end up reverting back because the change was too extreme. It's much easier to gradually cut certain things out of your diet instead, I did this over a period of around year or so and as a result saw no negative changes in my body or health. It's different for everyone of course, and there's much to be done to normalize this type of diet on a grander scale but there are already plenty of studies and documentaries about the health benefits of eating plant-based, not even going into the many environmental and ethical issues At the very least, calling it "dangerous, stupid and unhealthy" is just uninformed nonsense
InFlamesWeThrash666 10.28.19	my condolences
Muhlysa 10.28.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQeGXp3EJkA&t=54s
RogueNine 10.28.19	thatsbait.gif
DoofDoof 10.28.19	Well, most of these examples from my own experience are older people who’d been vegetarian upwards of 15 years and then got sick, unrelated to diet most likely - then the doc’s look up their diet and makes their recommendation to most improve their chances/shortcut to nutrition It may or may not be right, but these aren’t people who took up the diet then fell sick soon after - these are long time vegetarians told by doctors to improve their chance of survival by turning to meat again.
DoofDoof 10.28.19	It might just be a UK thing, but that’s something that happens here
budgie 10.28.19	"good luck - try not to die from a chronic lack of vit B12" fungi exist doofy
Calc 10.28.19	makes complete sense to me. can't see how people over the age of 60 could really be as healthy as they could be eating nothing but plants and supplements. 50 even unless they take amazingly good care of themselves with exercise and whatnot
Chortles 10.28.19	why not? all the important nutrients meat gives can be had from other sources nowadays anyway. we've come a long way here. i'm not sure about the people doof are talking about, but I've met a few old vegetarians that are fit AF. it's all about how you manage your diet
DrGonzo1937 10.28.19	Weird I’ve seen this, I literally just went vegetarian yesterday. I hope I can stick to it, because I live meat. That said, the way animals are treated is horrendous — blood I can’t have on my hands anymore.
Itwasthatwas 10.28.19	I’m definitely a proponent of hipsters going vegan anything they do to decease their own health and fertility is a net positive in the long term
starboystargirl 10.28.19	eat a butthole
Calc 10.28.19	"but I've met a few old vegetarians that are fit AF" and I've met a lot of people like Doof has where the diet/lifestyle, both strictly followed and otherwise, was wreaking havoc on their bodies. obviously our own experiences are coloring our opinions but it's like what are the exceptions and what is the rule.
Itwasthatwas 10.28.19	I was vegetarian for 20 years and it was the worst thing for my health tbh, immediately turned around when I started eating meat.
Chortles 10.28.19	that's fair. i'm not trying to refute anyone's personal experience. just saying that for many, meat is a choice, not a necessity. for the most part, we are raised to believe otherwise though.
RolyPoly 10.28.19	"My boyfriend was laughing the entire time" Men are bottomless voids with no soul
budgie 10.28.19	i have a soul
RolyPoly 10.28.19	Do you laugh at tortured animals?
KjSwantko 10.28.19	Factory farming is really the main issue in my mind. I have no issue with hunting the animal in its natural habitat and using it, but factory farming is really fucking disturbing from top to bottom when you see videos such as that.
Calc 10.28.19	I'd say because human biology and evolution seem to point towards meat being necessary but evolution didn't count on synthetic vitamins and minerals so who knows anymore. not trying to downplay the lifestyle either, just don't get it is all. looks like sowing derailed this potentially awesome thread and I'm sad about it.
ToastSandwich1 10.28.19	It's possible to be vegan/vegetarian/meat eater/anything and be unhealthy. I could eat pancakes for breakfast, poutine for lunch, and cheese pizza for supper (all are vegetarian). This is not an argument against vegetarianism, it's an argument for healthier eating. My reasons for going vegan are ethical and environmental. Together they make a super strong case for veganism, which is why I have started to change gradually to veganism after four years of vegetarianism. I agree with whoever said that it is much better to switch gradually to avoid health issues. And get your blood tested once in a while to see what you are lacking, then make adjustments.
Chortles 10.28.19	no worries calc. I didn't feel any animosity from you, it's better to at least have a discussion as opposed to others ITT immediately dismissing a lifestyle that they aren't familiar with toastsandwich's comment is on point. there's a lot of variables at play regarding how plant or meat-based diets affect personal health, so beyond that, I think understanding the ethical issues and environmental impact surrounding the meat industry is more important to 'getting' veganism/vegetarianism as a lifestyle choice, as those factors are much more objectively quantifiable and a huge reason many people turn to it
Pikazilla 10.28.19	accidentally misread the list title as going gay
alamo 10.28.19	i can help with that
budgie 10.28.19	"Do you laugh at tortured animals?" no
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.28.19	Inb4 budgie grumps his shorts
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.28.19	Nvm too late
budgie 10.28.19	i only eat raw lamb hearts and i'm healthfuller than all of you
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.28.19	How mineralistic is in on a scale from 1 to rocks
budgie 10.28.19	it has lots of coq10 in it. for ur health
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.28.19	I love coq
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.28.19	They dont call me the coq gobbler for nothin
Keyblade 10.28.19	above all, it must be mentally exhausting going vegan
StarlessCore 10.28.19	Just eat healthy and eat a wide variety of animal proteins and non animal proteins
DoofDoof 10.28.19	'Just eat healthy and eat a wide variety of animal proteins and non animal proteins' I imagine this is the best purely for health yes carbon footprint argument: something needs to be done with the air travel industry ahead of changing people's diets too much, advice to cut down on red meat prob sufficient - or just try and promote locally sourced produce full stop ethical reasons argument: the meat/dairy industry does need some sort of intervention to clean up their act, people should be willing to pay more for a 'cleaner' product too though - a lot of people don't give a shit.
Emim 10.28.19	If they didn't want to be eaten they shouldn't have evolved to be tasty.
StarlessCore 10.28.19	Or have so much protein and other nutrients especially in the case of buffalo, seafood, etc
budgie 10.28.19	"carbon footprint argument: something needs to be done with the air travel industry ahead of changing people's diets too much" looking at some reports in the us air travel accounts for ~.81% and livestock for ~4.5%
budgie 10.28.19	air travel should be ~2.5% not ~.81
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.28.19	It doesnt help that they walk around naked showing off all the best cuts, just askin for it
DoofDoof 10.28.19	It’s an udder disgrace
Chortles 10.28.19	wrt carbon footprint, air travel is absolutely a problem but it pales in comparison to GHG emissions from livestock, particularly cattle farming: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth
DoofDoof 10.28.19	But those emissions feed people and you couldn’t remove them totally as they’d be replaced by, yes, less emissions - but still significant emissions from alternatives If there was a totally clean way to fly them those emissions would disappear entirely
Trebor. 10.28.19	Nothing triggers morons quite like veganism
Egarran 10.28.19	Ctrl+F hitler Nothing?? That's always good for a few pages.
Emim 10.28.19	Well now there's one
budgie 10.28.19	"If there was a totally clean way to fly them those emissions would disappear entirely" FUEL CELL HELICOPTERS piloted by amazon alexa let's do it
DavidJKetamine 10.28.19	Meat is murder Morrissey got it right.
Deathconscious 10.28.19	"anything they do to decease their own health and fertility is a net positive in the long term" people hating on "hipsters" (whatever that means anyways) always seem to have very little self-awareness.
Deathconscious 10.28.19	"Men are bottomless voids with no soul." is born a male transitions once "ugh men are just the worst, amirite girls??"
RolyPoly 10.28.19	White dudes be mad like
Deathconscious 10.28.19	"no boys allowed in my fort!"
RolyPoly 10.28.19	Translation: you're still a male to me
Deathconscious 10.28.19	nah, im a girl now. im with you now sister, ugh, men!
RolyPoly 10.28.19	Always knew you were a transphobe lol didnt take much for the confession Budgie says we're bff and I do have a dad u know
Deathconscious 10.28.19	nah, i have no problem with trans people, just cartoonish retards. "boys are icky!" - mystle
RolyPoly 10.28.19	Yet look how you're acting lol Its boys like you that make the rest look bad
Deathconscious 10.28.19	has the shittiest personality imaginable "i bet you dont like me because im trans." - mystle
RolyPoly 10.28.19	"nah, im a girl now. im with you now sister, ugh, men!" This is looks like a line from the transphobe playbook
FadeToBlack2 10.28.19	snap
Deathconscious 10.28.19	Could we get a bot that only says "ugh, men!" and "everyone hates me because im trans and not because im an unlikable twat" to replace you? It would save you a lot of work.
budgie 10.28.19	adolf is just jealous cuz rolypoly is my bff
Deathconscious 10.28.19	^ true
RolyPoly 10.28.19	He just takes what I say about men personally :( Dont worry adolf I'm a forgiving person we can be friends too
JoeTex 10.28.19	kudos. make sure to journal your progress and keep us updated
Morningrise767 10.28.19	Cool mate! More meat for the rest of us then lol
RolyPoly 10.29.19	Oh now adolfhitler wants to ignore me Typical MEN
Wubs 10.29.19	It's natural to go through a self righteous phase
Egarran 10.29.19	Now we're getting somewhere. I'm eating turkey bacon right now, an invention brought to Denmark by muslim pizza makers. Pigs fucking ADORE muslims. With enemies like that, who needs friends? Sorry, back to the gender politics. It's the new class war, you know.
RolyPoly 10.29.19	We should get back to veganism mouthbreatherchrist brings up my identity more than I do
Egarran 10.29.19	Not to be simple-minded... ok well, but why don't all vegans and/or women go on strike until their demands are met? "Yeah we're holding back support for this society until you fix these very obvious problems." Work with me here.
Deathconscious 10.29.19	@mystle Yes, to mock you every time you inevitably bring it up to hide behind in an argument. you cant seem to help yourself.
budgie 10.29.19	can u 2 just fuck already and get it over with
dbizzles 10.29.19	I have drastically reduced my intake of animal products, but I doubt I'll ever let them go all the way. I respect vegans for their outlook and their attempt to make a positive effect on the planet, though. Good job. I am curious though. I always here about how if people would just stop eating so much red meat (most won't) that the carbon footprint was decrease drastically. But, how true is that? Like, that would take a MASSIVE GLOBAL movement, right? Cattle are still going to be raised and slaughtered no matter what we do on a small scale even if a million of us decide to cut out red meat. So what's the actual solution look like and what does it take to get there?
Deathconscious 10.29.19	As far as getting people to eat less meat, it doesnt seem like there is much that can be done about it. Im not aware of any ideas to try and change the global mentality on meat. Gotta just hope humanity continues evolving in the right direction. But we can try to put pressure on big business to treat livestock more humanely and practice greener farming.
botb 10.29.19	I would love to try a vegan diet but I have very poor self control and not much money
Viriathus 10.29.19	Honestly its cheaper to buy tofu and spices than it is to buy most meat.
budgie 10.29.19	tofu isn't food
Viriathus 10.29.19	tofu is food. goes good in stirfry and miso soup fuckin rules.
dbizzles 10.29.19	^ that is correct. Lots of vegan/vegetarian food gets too much flack. Tofu, miso paste, and even a bunch of vegetables a bunch of babies think are poo poo are all good if prepared correctly.
budgie 10.29.19	no tofu is not food
smaugman 10.29.19	vegetarianism is legitimate, but veganism is just retarded
BallsToTheWall 10.29.19	Fuck off vegan scum.
Viriathus 10.29.19	"Fuck off vegan scum." Imagine being this mad over someones dietary decisions.
garas 10.29.19	Tofu = misspelled "torture"
dbizzles 10.29.19	There's a yellow curry I order now and again and I order it with tofu because the combo is actually better than with chicken.
RolyPoly 10.29.19	I'm not into angry metalheads
dbizzles 10.29.19	Oh, cool. You should check the last few Opeth albums.
BallsToTheWall 10.29.19	We got new users here lol.
Trophycase 10.29.19	Yes, this site should be on its best behavior for the newcomers.
BallsToTheWall 10.29.19	Well, bless their hearts.
outliers 10.29.19	everyone knows real men eat meat
Sinternet 10.29.19	anyone who says tofu isn't food is just showing they don't know how to use herbs and spices
dbizzles 10.29.19	You're giving them to much credit by assuming they know what herbs and spices are at all.
budgie 10.29.19	you can talk to me directly i'm right here
outliers 10.29.19	monsanto roundup gives it all the flavor it needs
JS19 10.29.19	Imagine having such a frail ego you get offended by what other people eat
Chortles 10.29.19	yeh it's really quite something to see how many people come out of the woodwork to assert their masculinity whenever someone says they're giving up meat. keep up the lord's work fellas
Deez 10.29.19	Good on you , I was vegan for a few years but couldnt stick it. I sold the fuck out and munched on carcass ever since. Ive got no problem with hunting and killing your own meant but the way we get ours and ignore it is fucking horrendous but we all pat them and say how cute those same animals are if we saw them in a field. I barely eat well as a meat eater for different reasons so as a vegan id fucking die. I play with idea of going Veggie again but the dairy trade is equally as horrific. I just close any deep thought into it and eat meat. I know Im wrong and a hypocrite because ive worked at animal rehab centres and shit before and stuff. Meat eaters get triggered by vegans jiust because they know theyre right. Good on you , try and stick at.
Kompys2000 10.29.19	I say if you can slaughter a cow yourself and grind up its guts to make a burger you have the right to eat beef, same goes for any meat. That's why I only eat seafood, I could never bring myself to kill a cow or a pig but I've caught and cooked fish and those fuckers ain't cute enough to not get eaten
JayEnder 10.29.19	"My boyfriend was laughing the entire time" How is a slaughter funny
DoofDoof 10.29.19	'I say if you can slaughter a cow yourself and grind up its guts to make a burger you have the right to eat beef, same goes for any meat. That's why I only eat seafood, I could never bring myself to kill a cow or a pig but I've caught and cooked fish and those fuckers ain't cute enough to not get eaten' if the culture was that you were taught to do it you do it. one of my buddies at school was a farmer's son and he used to shoot rabbits and I'd watch him skin and gut them and 100% that's something I could do. A cow, goat, pig, deer...a little more daunting but quite quickly people would do this if they had to, I have zero doubt.
Kompys2000 10.29.19	Yeah I live in a rural area and know lots of people that hunt or raise their own meat and I have nothing but respect for that, but there's a lot of people who would balk at actually having to kill and cut up an animal, but don't want to give up their tasty chicken nuggets and bacon and I think that's pretty hypocritical tbh.
Chortles 10.29.19	it is hypocritical. packaged meat has become a completely removed entity from the animal it comes from. i know it is different in rural communities, and i do also respect those who hunt and raise their own food, but here in the city, i doubt any person i know would willingly kill and prepare their own food yet most of them eat meat every day. it would take a lot of cultural reversal to get your average everyday person comfortable with the idea of killing animals for themselves to eat, and many of them would sooner give it up if they were forced to make that choice
budgie 10.29.19	the state should also make it mandatory to attach pics of malnourished asian sweatshop children to apple iPhone boxes
Kompys2000 10.29.19	Ya for sure that would kick ass
Trophycase 10.29.19	At this point you're literally just making an argument against division of labor. Oh, you use a computer every day but wouldn't know how to make the circuit? Yeah no shit, only a small fraction of the population raises animals so it's no small wonder that people who have absolutely no experience with it would find it difficult at first.
Trophycase 10.29.19	I can totally appreciate an argument that says that society should move towards people being more self sufficient, but to single out people who eat meat as if they're some ignorant hypocrites is ridiculous.
Trophycase 10.29.19	Oh budgie basically already made this point... nice
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.29.19	Stop torturing plants !!!!!
hobblepot 10.29.19	"I'm sorry. I was just emotional after the video. My boyfriend was laughing the entire time" I think it's about time you left your fucking boyfriend, dude sounds like a psychopath
Deez 10.29.19	'to single out people who eat meat as if they're some ignorant hypocrites is ridiculous.' Meat eaters ARE hypocritical dick heads. I am one. If you think its wrong and horrific dont fucking buy it you dont have too. Its easy. Its not heroin. If you dont give a fuck cool too, thats up to you. Most people 'love animals' apparently yet also fucking eat them and pay to support their torture. Its fucking mad and makes no sense. Its just engrained in us from books in school as tiny kids with smiling piggies and cows on them. My mate says he actually hates animals so much that he cant even even them thats why hes vegan. Saves the arguments.
Kompys2000 10.29.19	I'm not against division of labor, just against people outsourcing labor they wouldn't be at least theoretically willing to do themselves.
Egarran 10.29.19	Also cars should graphic mutilation pics on them, like we have cancer patients on cigarette packs. Also plants like to be eaten and become on with the devourer.
Trophycase 10.29.19	Nah. I love heating my house but I hate that our current methods cause global warming. But hey, I still heat my house. That's just called making compromises in life. If you're going to be a moral absolutist then you'll ultimately be a hypocrite in everything you do or be completely unable to act at all. Can I simultaneously eat meat while at the same time believing that animals should be treated well during their life? Absolutely.
hobblepot 10.29.19	I hate the fact animals are slaughtered for their flesh, to the point I have repeatedly made attempts to cut meat out of my diet (I tried as recently as this year) but every time I try, my body fights back. I'm a very skinny guy, putting on weight is a nightmare for me, I could eat 3 times as much as the fattest dude on earth and I won't gain anything. Everytime I cut meat out of my diet, no matter how well I replace it with alternatives, no matter how many diet plans I follow, no matter whos advice I take, I lose weight rapidly and end up having to eat meat again. I hate it, I love animals, they are innocent, they do not deserve the pain and torment we inflict upon them, I cannot stand people who make fun of others for their compassion for animals. But at the same time, I am a hypocrite, I have to eat meat or I risk my own life. Maybe someday my metabolism will slow down and I'll be able to have a meat-free diet, recently my doctor thought this was the case, but then I lost two stone off my 9 stone 5'6 frame. So today is not the day. Saying anyone who eats meat is a bad person is an unfair judgement. People who eat meat and remain ignorant of where it comes from, people who eat meat and don't give a shit about the animals lives that ended so theirs could continue, are bad people. your boyfriend, is also, a bad person.
Kompys2000 10.29.19	Like I don't know how to build a smartphone, but nothing about the physical act of building a smartphone is objectionable to me. I absolutely object to big tech companies' labor practices but I frankly can't afford to boycott every single product produced under unethical circumstances because in the current paradigm that's basically everything.
Egarran 10.29.19	I'm also skinny, but I once had to gain 16 kilos and I achieved it mostly with the help of french pastry.
Kompys2000 10.29.19	And ftr I get that some people just aren't able to go vegan or veggie for health or financial reasons and that's totally fine, none of this is about shaming anyone.
Trophycase 10.29.19	"Like I don't know how to build a smartphone, but nothing about the physical act of building a smartphone is objectionable to me. I absolutely object to big tech companies' labor practices but I frankly can't afford to boycott every single product produced under unethical circumstances because in the current paradigm that's basically everything." Right, so you choose to strengthen the surveillance state by using FB or Insta or whatever, and I choose to eat meat. It's just the postmodern condition bro.
budgie 10.29.19	"Also cars should graphic mutilation pics on them, like we have cancer patients on cigarette packs." YES YES. THIS
DoofDoof 10.29.19	Human race wouldn’t be here if we hadn’t utilised meat as a source of nutrition - perhaps it’s no longer going to be necessary going forward - but deciding this point in time is a marker where overnight people are now somehow evil/barbaric to continue to eat meat is a bit of a stretch. I think the trend is people will slowly eat less meat, but the children of a thousand generations of omnivores can maybe find some reasonable perspective.
Trophycase 10.29.19	No, they were all barbarians, and thanks to the power of reddit and tumblr we are the only enlightened generation.
Kompys2000 10.29.19	I get why y'all are getting so caught up in this "no ethical consumption" argument but it's not really what I'm talking about, I personally feel that eating an animal I can't stomach the though of killing is unethical in any context, obviously using fb/insta is situationally unethical in the system we live in but I don't believe social media as a concept is unethical in an absolute sense. If you feel differently that's fine, like I said I don't want this to be about judging who isn't and isn't a bad person or whatever
budgie 10.29.19	If Ur Not Willing To Dive Into Septic Tanks For Repair Then U Should Poop In A Hole
Trophycase 10.29.19	I don't believe that killing is unethical in any situation. So agree to disagree I guess.
ffs 10.29.19	when are they gonna figure out that butchering humans for meat is the good sustainable solution. wow okay you;re an organ donor sure good for you buddy very benevolent how about donate me those hamstrings too for me to eat
Kompys2000 10.29.19	I mean I'm no coprophile but if the job needs doing
Kompys2000 10.29.19	@ffs lmaooo
Egarran 10.29.19	I keep all my scabs in a box.
GhostB1rd 10.29.19	"stop huffing your own farts and show me a picture of a long term vegan who doesn't look like a terminally ill cancer patient. go on, I'll wait." Bellamy Young
Deez 10.29.19	Brad Pitt
GhostB1rd 10.30.19	I've never calculated it but stuff like beans, rice, bananas, oats, potatoes, etc. are hella cheap with that Costco membership. Meat is usually pricier.
Tyler. 10.30.19	Going vegan
GhostB1rd 10.30.19	I feel like it's infinitely harder to maintain a healthy vegan diet than a healthy omnivorous one. Animal proteins are so easy to get.
Kompys2000 10.30.19	It's also pretty tough avoiding anything with any animal products, for example a lot of soaps have animal fats/dairy/beeswax in them, and vegan soap manufacturers tend to jack up prices because they can sell it as a lifestyle brand.
budgie 10.30.19	why would you need substitutes for milk anyway
budgie 10.30.19	tbh that sounds more of an issue with the consumers
GhostB1rd 10.30.19	Mods are on cleanup duty rn. Nuking lists and comments left and right.
GhostB1rd 10.30.19	Don't vaccines have animal products in them?
Wubs 10.30.19	and condoms...
Deez 10.30.19	why would you need substitutes for milk anyway' Because its full of pus
sixdegrees 10.30.19	and cum
Deez 10.30.19	Thats your mothers breast milk. Totally different
sixdegrees 10.30.19	hmmm interesting....further research required
Deathconscious 10.30.19	Further sucking
TheSpaceMan 10.30.19	"Anyone who eats meat should be ashamed of themselves." Oh, you mean that thing you did for your entire life up until just now, and are now judging other people for doing it?
Deathconscious 10.30.19	Are you describing mystle right now?
Deez 10.30.19	Yeah thats one thing I cant stand. I have friends who went vegan at like 35 and gave it the 'OMG I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULD EAT MEAT!!'what was your excuse then for the past 34 fucking years? mines the same
deathofasalesman 10.30.19	One of my friends said "If you eat meat just unfollow me" so I did lmao. How you gonna out me as a friend over what I eat?
Wubs 10.30.19	Do they have much else going on in their life right now?
Deez 10.30.19	Legumes
deathofasalesman 10.30.19	Going to a bunch of hardcore punk shows seemingly all the time (she lives in Pomona)
Wubs 10.30.19	Fair enough lol
Viriathus 10.30.19	"Yeah thats one thing I cant stand. I have friends who went vegan at like 35 and gave it the 'OMG I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULD EAT MEAT!!'what was your excuse then for the past 34 fucking years? mines the same" Its one of those things where once youre off it it becomes difficult to understand how you couldve done it before and that extends to not understanding how other people are doing it. Im not vegan, I go for pescatarian, initially I went for a reduced meat diet but after mostly eating tofu and a bit of seafood I found it way too hard to tolerate the texture of other meats, especially beef and bacon. And that sort of logic can apply to any other things that vegans dont understand about people who eat meat. "One of my friends said "If you eat meat just unfollow me" so I did lmao. How you gonna out me as a friend over what I eat?" Yeah the elitism in vegan circles fucking sucks but honestly I find meat eaters to be more likely to be annoying about vegans. Even back when I ate more meats I always found it to be this way, someone would say theyre vegan/vegetarian and lots of annoyed sighs and jumping on their ass about their dietary decision.
Egarran 10.30.19	Welcome to religion.
Pikazilla 10.30.19	bacon and steak 4lyfe
Egarran 10.30.19	Let's have some stats, and this is only for Denmark, about the smallest country in the world: 24% of all piglets die within four weeks. This equals 25.000 a day and 9 million a year. The rest live 15 pigs a sty inside all year. The only rules are they have to be able to lie down and move around. Most of them later get transported to Poland to get raised and killed - apparently it's cheaper. And those transports are horror shows. They're smarter than dogs.
Dedes 10.30.19	I work in a deli so veganism is already off the table for me but I respect ideology. Animals rule and big food companies treat them like shit so buying local is usually at least a better option.
Viriathus 10.30.19	Learning that pigs have more intelligence than dogs was one of the big turning points for me with meat.
Egarran 10.30.19	It's no wonder some people freak out and become fundamentalists when they realize the horrors of the food industry.
outliers 10.30.19	fuck industrialized farming amirite guys
qwenta 10.30.19	Things could be done better but it is to have lived in a bubble all your life. How did people think things were done? Some need to get out of their neighborhoods a little more and see some real world.
Egarran 10.30.19	They thought people who ate food weren't dragged into an evil, hypocritical machine of endless suffering, because that's not how The Real World is supposed to work. In fact you sound like you want to downplay this? "It's always been like this, stop worrying." Gah.
DoofDoof 10.30.19	previous generations of 'westerners' have had to live through famine and food rations - as well as seeing their human friends butchered in warfare - so you can kind of see why there was a huge push to the 'land of plenty' obesity-ville we have now, just to apply some perspective. I think animal welfare was probably a little down the list of priorities. maybe it's outdated - but I totally understand why industrialised farming was something there was a demand for, looking at our recent history.
DoofDoof 10.30.19	My grandad saw most of his friends killed in either Bhurma or Dunkirk (yup, he ended up in two of the worst places you could in WW2) and he came home and set about eating and drinking, basically indulging, himself to death. He was forever changed basically. That attitude has then passed down a few generations - "eat, be merry, time of plenty, no war! you won't have to be in the trenches watching your mates get their limbs blown off!" Only now you are starting to get people who don't know any family who've been at war and are starting to question 'ok, but do we need to eat this and as much?' en masse. To not understand why people haven't questioned it decades before is a bit...ignorant? survivor mentality and the glow of a boom in living standards has sort of dissipated
Pikazilla 10.30.19	That's one true but messed-up perspective.
DoofDoof 10.30.19	basically being able to worry about what you eat is a relatively recent luxury if you survived a great war then just eating anything is going to be an incredible relief and then that will spill down a few generations naturally it'll take a while for someone to go 'I wonder how that pig is feeling?' but we have arrived there now
qwenta 10.30.19	"In fact you sound like you want to downplay this? "It's always been like this, stop worrying." Gah. " Become vegan because foo industry is bad it's a weak and stupid argument. You can be vegan or whatever but pls, nobody is forcing you to use such a simple idea. Is mobile industry better? You make your own cloths? I will only take this, it's easy to be vegan but I can't stop using my iPhone, I don't care if people are being enslaved and murdered as long as I can continue taking selfies and texting with friends.
starboystargirl 10.30.19	great thread
BigHans 10.30.19	definitely read this as going virgin ^ not much of a difference between the two.
Egarran 10.30.19	Whoa qwenta. Suddenly I don't feel like arguing this, but I wish you the best of luck trying to rationalize your way through the world.
ToastSandwich1 10.30.19	Haha BigHans you do a great job mocking the ridiculous comments made by meat eaters – how long have you been a vegan??
BigHans 10.30.19	Hans and Vegan are an oxymoron my friend.
Viriathus 10.30.19	Just because all industries are bad to support doesnt make it justifiable to not care about any suffering under corruption. Especially when youre comparing phones to literally just dietary changes.
Muhlysa 10.30.19	I know i had a knee-jerk reaction to this video I saw but there has been lots of thought provoking posts. Here's the video again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQeGXp3EJkA&t=54s
JoeTex 10.30.19	anyone tried the impossible burger?
Muhlysa 10.30.19	Nah I saw a youtube taste test. They said it was dope.
qwenta 10.30.19	Just justify why becoming vegan because food industry is a good idea but you still use a phone , which industry is way worst.
MO 10.30.19	brb getting a baconator
Relinquished 10.30.19	with extra extra bacon
MO 10.30.19	Oof now we're talking, extra bleeding pig please
Relinquished 10.30.19	replace the mayo with the fresh lard seeping through
qwenta 10.30.19	I invite you all to la matanza. Awesome event.
ToastSandwich1 10.30.19	mmm fat people food
Deathconscious 10.30.19	Fuck Edit: whoa im unbanned. That was short.
Muhlysa 10.30.19	why you get band
Muhlysa 10.30.19	banned
Egarran 10.30.19	He supported the Hong Kong protesters.
Deathconscious 10.30.19	Because i spammed skele's list with links proving hes a pedophile. They banned me for a short period and then mustve looked into it and realized i had a point. Bye bye skele.
Pikazilla 10.30.19	Well done. Good riddance.
Deez 10.30.19	Just justify why becoming vegan because food industry is a good idea but you still use a phone , which industry is way worst.' Going vegan doesnt mean youre fucking perfect. Such a dumb as fuck childish whataboutism point. Its cool to try and make a positive change for yourself and the planet and doesnt make any other shit you dont do, negate that. Just as if you didnt use a phone for teh same reason but were not vegan! 'You might be vegan but you fly on planes tho!!' Fuck off
outliers 10.30.19	fuck I might as well stop recycling because I drive a car
RolyPoly 10.30.19	Sounds like the type of person who says you cant criticize capitalism because you partake in it
sixdegrees 10.30.19	https://thenib.imgix.net/usq/8688038d-f99b-4224-872b-b8dd626f868c/mister-gotcha-4-9faefa.png?auto=compress,format&cs=srgb&_=9faefab75c06b49cfcf18e1394c50376
Muhlysa 10.30.19	Damn sixdegrees of burn
sixdegrees 10.30.19	so did they ever unban you or is this your new main account
TheSpaceMan 10.30.19	"Its one of those things where once youre off it it becomes difficult to understand how you couldve done it before and that extends to not understanding how other people are doing it. Im not vegan, I go for pescatarian" how the fuck do you eat fish you inhumane fucking sociopathic piece of shit.
TheSpaceMan 10.30.19	i also find it the most privileged thing ever to be able to say 'everyone should be vegan'
Deathconscious 10.30.19	who's muhlysa?
Stormheart 10.30.19	>Just saw a pig sledgehammered in the head. Have its throat sliced and watched it flail in its own blood until it died. Horrific. Anyone who eats meat should be ashamed of themselves. guess you haven't seen how gold is found
Source 10.30.19	nose picking?
Muhlysa 10.31.19	I never even check my old account I asked sowing but i gave up . This is my new account. oh man I remember that list where i asked if Brett Kavanaugh fucked his wife after the hearing hahahah
Muhlysa 10.31.19	Hey lets start now. Do you guys think Brett Kavanaugh made love his wife after that hearing ?
Muhlysa 10.31.19	She's pretty
sixdegrees 10.31.19	no way that brett kavanaugh fucks at this point
Muhlysa 10.31.19	I still wonder about that night after the hearing. She had to have consoled her man after that travesty.
Muhlysa 10.31.19	They had to have had sex. Her showing him that he isn't the fucking perverted scum everyone knows he is. Stand by your man. Hillary did it.
DavidJKetamine 11.01.19	if she's made it through this many red flags she's in it for the long haul.
GhostB1rd 11.01.19	Red flags?
Stormheart 11.02.19	>They had to have had sex. Her showing him that he isn't the fucking perverted scum everyone knows he is. dilate