BlackwaterPork: What is your religion?

BlackwaterPork 11.15.17	FOOKIN LASER SIGHTS [6]
Egarran 11.15.17	Pantheist. Everything is permitted!
Dedes 11.15.17	I feel like you're trying to meme yourself at this point. Also I'm God so bow down bitch.
dctarga 11.15.17	I am a spiritual man Or Atheist, w/e
Kalopsia 11.15.17	Atheist because I'm not dumb.
TheSonomaDude 11.15.17	rifftheist i live by the holy riff
heck 11.15.17	softbitchism
Deez 11.15.17	Hate
SCREAM! 11.15.17	I am a member of the church of hard jamz We worship Luc Lemay at the altar of riffz
bach 11.15.17	"Atheist because I'm not dumb" you have two coheed albums 5'd tho
Drifter 11.15.17	Don't care
Dedes 11.15.17	That Sounds like a great religion
Sevengill 11.15.17	I'm losing my religion trying to keep up with you but I don't know if I can do it
Dedes 11.15.17	If you think being atheist makes you intelligent or enlightened think again Bitch.
hal1ax 11.15.17	dede actually talkin sense up in here
SandwichBubble 11.15.17	Gaytheist
guitarded_chuck 11.15.17	im roit fookin agnostic maete
Deathconscious 11.15.17	I worship at the altar of BBC.
Kalopsia 11.15.17	"People that think simply being atheist makes them more intelligent than religious folk without any further thought are just as dumb as radical religious people tbh." except that atheists generally are the ones that have given further thought to religion and found it to be baseless. too many religious people are the ones that fall back to "because God" on everything and call it a day.
Deathconscious 11.15.17	@mayhem Yes
InFlamesWeThrash666 11.15.17	Iron Maiden probably
BlackwaterPork 11.15.17	"Gaythiest" This is the target to beat
Sevengill 11.15.17	If a big guy in the sky makes you feel better about whatever's going on in life, then go for it. Just don't force it on other people, y'know? Every religion/nonreligion has its extremists that give it a bad name.
BlackwaterPork 11.15.17	Pretty much yeah
InFlamesWeThrash666 11.15.17	@InFlamesWeThrash666 Wouldn't it be In Flames for you? 3-4 years ago maybe
Papa Universe 11.15.17	I worship Adrian Borland.
hal1ax 11.15.17	"except that atheists generally are the ones that have given further thought to religion and found it to be baseless" this comment is meaningless. if you're going to wax intelligent at least proffer your own thoughts about how you have given it further thought and have found it baseless. instead of standing behind atheism like it's some self-evident bulwark of towering intellect
BlackwaterPork 11.15.17	If we're worshipping artists it's opeth [2]
guitarded_chuck 11.15.17	"except that atheists generally are the ones that have given further thought to religion and found it to be baseless. too many religious people are the ones that fall back to "because God" on everything and call it a day." yeah but atheism is at least nearly as irrational as theism given our very limited knowledge of reality and the history of the universe
Papa Universe 11.15.17	Also, Sevengill in with the dad joke that went unnoticed. Game recognise game here.
TheSpaceMan 11.15.17	I have some spiritual beliefs but I don't really identify with any organized religion. Its sorta just easier for me to have my own thoughts and constantly evolve my outlook on things. I find religion fascinating though and people of faith are often extremely humbling to have deep conversation with
TheSpaceMan 11.15.17	you also can't argue religion is baseless... like wtf explain to me the contraception of reality with your fucking proven base.
Papa Universe 11.15.17	Is it weird that I first found out that religion is a thing, when I was 13?
SCREAM! 11.15.17	"don't really identify as an atheist because religion has never been a part of my life in really any way" so you're an atheist, cool "you also can't argue religion is baseless... " Many people have though lmao
Danred97 11.15.17	I'm whatever Aaron Weiss is. He is my high priest. All praise.
TheSpaceMan 11.15.17	'Is it weird that I first found out that religion is a thing, when I was 13?' no but good luck explaining that to our maker when its time
Papa Universe 11.15.17	If you work at a bank and are a workaholic, does it technically make you an ATMeist?
mindleviticus 11.15.17	I think religion when not fanatisized can help people cope with life and give them guidance. I personally don’t believe in god, but I understand why some people do or at least want to believe. I have been very interested in the past though in Buddhism at least as a philosophy.
TheSpaceMan 11.15.17	@scream! i mean you can argue anything. its just a stupid argument. religion exists for a reason and it aint baseless.
Papa Universe 11.15.17	@TheSpaceMan: I'm currently preparing my asshole for the devil. One lubricant massage a day helps the future pain go away.
hal1ax 11.15.17	well u can believe in intelligent/purposive design and not abide a religious paradigm. there's a word for that i think.. uh, deism? actually i think deist's also believe that this 'designer' isn't involved in their existence at all. a completely sequestered presence.
Alastor 11.15.17	Philosophy is more interesting than theology. It's comforting to know that even the greatest minds of mankind couldn't figure out what life is about.
SCREAM! 11.15.17	"i mean I guess, I just don't really think it matters and I'm not interested in thinking about if god exists or not. I kinda find that most athiests i've met are pretty preachy and I don't really vibe with that." Just being a dick, I get where you're coming from. But if only the annoying d-bags are the ones admitting to being atheists then you get stuck with that impression on the term when most atheists aren't like that at all.
SCREAM! 11.15.17	"@scream! i mean you can argue anything. its just a stupid argument. religion exists for a reason and it aint baseless." Sure there's a base, not a particularly strong one anymore but fine.
Egarran 11.15.17	Everybody should go through an atheist phase.
TheSpaceMan 11.15.17	@hal1 yeee from my understanding its explained like "God" wound up a clock, ie our universe, and stepped back to watch it unwind. almost like a lab experiment, which is a cool link to how a lot of physicists are claiming our world is a simulation
hal1ax 11.15.17	yea i try not to pass judgment in the theism-related sphere. unless someone is using their belief system to impinge on my life or something then i get angry hehe
hal1ax 11.15.17	yea space that's a great way of explaining it. i think deism is pretty cool actually
CygnusX1 11.15.17	Hail Satan Worship Doom
Koris 11.15.17	Agnostic
neekafat 11.15.17	Spiritual agnostic whatever Raised catholic tho, fun times
Koris 11.15.17	Pretty much exactly what neek just said
DrMaximus 11.15.17	Egarran, I wouldn't call it an atheistic phase, but everyone who believes struggles with their beliefs. That's why they're called beliefs
butcherboy 11.15.17	I witnessed Jehovah but pled the fifth on the stand..
Egarran 11.15.17	"everyone who believes struggles with their beliefs" I guess that's true. But then it's very strange how dogmatism can be so widespread. It seems a lot of people can just ignore all the hypocrisy.
50iL 11.15.17	Atheist, doubt it'll be otherwise in the future
hal1ax 11.15.17	i think intransigent fundamentalism carries a lot of psychological implications. i feel like it instills in people a certain sense of needed security and control. not to believe in something but to convince themselves that they "know"
butcherboy 11.15.17	to be fair, most people who believe in science believe just as blindly and without comprehension as thumpers believe in their holy books.. Anyway, atheists ramble about religion more than zealots in my experience.. Nihil is the only way
BlackwaterPork 11.15.17	Any way is the right way if it works for you
Deez 11.15.17	Any way is the right way if it works for you' And doesnt infringe on others' I think you will find is the equally important part of that
SteakByrnes 11.15.17	My religion is anime thighs
BlackwaterPork 11.15.17	Well yeah I thought that was just a granted though
SteakByrnes 11.15.17	Love you too Mayhem
Deez 11.15.17	unfortunately not
Deez 11.15.17	Hahahaha Im Mayhems echo
ArsMoriendi 11.15.17	Agnostic atheist nonbeliever etc.
DikkoZinner 11.15.17	Taoist
Futures 11.15.17	devout scientologist please watch battlefield earth the film of my people
BlackwaterPork 11.15.17	It's pretty much the best film of all time
DrMaximus 11.15.17	Sounds enlightening
Kompys2000 11.15.17	Raised Unitarian Universalist (AKA super-liberal hippie pseudo-christianity), now I'm... agnostic, I guess?
hal1ax 11.15.17	“devout scientologist please watch battlefield earth the film of my people” Lol
Aberf 11.15.17	Me a muslim, u infidels all have shit taste in music.
cylinder 11.15.17	420 blaze it
Futures 11.15.17	battlefield earth lmao hey man
Futures 11.15.17	he is my spiritual brother
Deathconscious 11.15.17	Thats dumb
swipenet 11.15.17	I clicked expecting this thread to be 10 times more of a shitshow. Well done for some reasonably thoughtful discourse. Zero religious affiliation here, but I mean if it helps you without harming others, then go for it.
Futures 11.15.17	i won't help you when the blue aliens come
swipenet 11.15.17	Don't worry I slightly dig I'm Blue da ba dee da ba daa, as well as Blue Man Group
NeroCorleone80 11.15.17	I dont believe in a god if thats what your asking
Rigma 11.15.17	agnostic [some number]
DrMaximus 11.15.17	"I’d probably call myself an atheist if I weren’t so put off by being lumped in with the most insufferable people on the planet" true lol not to mention the most heinous dictators throughout history, but of course it's important people acknowledge the distinction between militant atheism and atheism related to general apathy
hansoloshotfirst 11.15.17	advanced social cannibalism
Egarran 11.15.17	How can churches go on when there is e.g. child abuse involved? You'd think that this would pretty definitely demonstrate that there is no divinity involved, only ugly human traits. But no, believers have little problem fitting it all into their crazy game and will gladly go on forcing their monstrous lie on other people.
ScuroFantasma 11.15.17	Agnostic, but open minded. I've been reading lots of pagan mythology lately and, as metaphorical guidelines for existence rather than a literal interpretation of elemental gods or whatever, the focus on cooperation with your environment and "tribe" is appealing and interesting. I'm not a pagan though, just using it as an example because I think there's value to exploring a theoretical understanding via metaphor alongside a more concrete understanding of the world. In that sense I think a common "myth" can be useful for a community, whatever that might be. Roundabout way of saying I don't necessarily believe in some deity and I don't have a religion, but I think there's value in an understanding of the world beyond that which is immediately obvious. Imo something like that doesn't have to be based on rigorous ritual or a true belief in some higher power, it's just a potentially helpful way to conceptualise the world.
brainmelter 11.15.17	yeah I'm mostly spiritual, very open minded to many religions tho. especially Buddhism. ~ smoke herb
DarkSideOfLucca 11.15.17	Jewish by culture, atheist by belief - but for an atheist, I do care about the Jewish part of me more than other atheists I know
Futures 11.15.17	i smoked a big purple weed and it was enlightening
TVC15 11.15.17	Paganism
SCREAM! 11.15.17	"Jewish by culture, atheist by belief - but for an atheist, I do care about the Jewish part of me more than other atheists I know" Understandable for sure. Even as an atheist now i still appreciate Christmas and Easter for bringing family together and giving reason for celebration even if I don't connect to it on a spiritual level anymore. Definitely grown attached to it over the years of being brought up with it
brainmelter 11.15.17	oh yeah Christmas and Easter are nice. The religious aspects can be neglected completely. it's also easy because of how commercial holidays are,
Egarran 11.15.17	True consumption and fake religion.
hikingmetalpunk 11.16.17	jeet kune do
Scoob 11.16.17	I'm only religious when I'm scared shitless
Jots 11.16.17	pandeist, maybe. I feel existential d r e a d whenever I think too long about the topic, though.
hal1ax 11.16.17	pandeism is rly interesting. i would prob fall into that category as well
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 11.16.17	I'm Muslim.
ExecutiveExecuterexe 11.16.17	this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsTGSDTrqXU and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPz_GTHhpk8
ExecutiveExecuterexe 11.16.17	so in comprehensible words I am an Atheist
theNateman 11.16.17	Am I the only Mormon on the site? Huh.
HarryBoBerry 11.16.17	@Nateman you're not alone
swipenet 11.16.17	IIIIII'M NOT ALOHOOONE WITH THE TOUCH OF YOUR HAND, I AM WHOLE AGAIN
swipenet 11.16.17	Well over 100 comments and no mention of Shrek. Guess he's stopped sneaking into children's bedrooms in the middle of the night.
Deathconscious 11.16.17	one time i was masturbating in the shower and as i climaxed, Shrek's voice came into my head yelling, "DRAIN THE SWAMP." my life has never been the same since that day.
hikingmetalpunk 11.16.17	God is an atheist Satan is a business I don't trust religion Fuck the system Peace to Non Phixion Kill a politician Leave his wig twisted Influencing Millions Do it for the children Kids with pistols who ain't got no feelings
brainmelter 11.16.17	shrekislife
SCREAM! 11.16.17	Open the Bible of Shrek to psalm BODY once told me
HarryBoBerry 11.16.17	shrek is pleased
hasan 11.16.17	glory be to god
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	I love this comment section
unclereich 11.16.17	Irish Catholic
swipenet 11.16.17	Heil Jesus
zakalwe 11.16.17	Muslim.
swipenet 11.16.17	Allahu Akbar
swipenet 11.16.17	No exclamation point btw because I wasn't trying to be offensive
zakalwe 11.16.17	You’ll be one to. Join us.
swipenet 11.16.17	I'll consider the offer
zakalwe 11.16.17	It’s absolute quality. You’ll be untouchable from persecution or even from people questioning you plus you get to knock the wife about as long as she doesn’t grass. I tell you my eyes have been truly opened.
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	Good lord
unclereich 11.16.17	Zak i love u
rasputin 11.16.17	"I’d probably call myself an atheist if I weren’t so put off by being lumped in with the most insufferable people on the planet" atheists thinking that other atheists are the most insufferable people on the planet is the only thing insufferable about atheists "not to mention the most heinous dictators throughout history" lol at linking atheism with literally any dictator, as if that was their prime motivation
swipenet 11.16.17	Damn you're really selling me on Islam, I can see why billions of people have been assimilated. As with most groups, the most insufferable people attract the most attention and they make up a very small fraction, so don't worry about being lumped in with them. Which dictators are you claiming were pushing atheism?
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	What swipenet said [2]
rasputin 11.16.17	"Which dictators are you claiming were pushing atheism?" don't hold your breath for an answer that isn't something like 'UM COMMUNISM LOL'
osmark86 11.16.17	"It’s absolute quality. You’ll be untouchable from persecution or even from people questioning you plus you get to knock the wife about as long as she doesn’t grass." Myanmar?
zakalwe 11.16.17	Nah. That’s all down to the white oppressors obvs
DinosaurJones 11.16.17	Aesthetically Pleasing Asian Girls
Egarran 11.16.17	We can do better than let ourselves limit by ancient middle eastern fairy tales. There's is little reason to make the muslim/christian distinction. It's more effective and sensible to get rid of it all at once.
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	That would be a difficult process now, wouldn’t it?
osmark86 11.16.17	Russian communists tried once
zakalwe 11.16.17	I honestly think there is going to be a resurgence of religion because of how fucked everything has become. All this knowledge and understanding means absolutely fuck all to people who can’t find purpose. Like it or loathe it religion soothes the soul and gives purpose, it settles people.
osmark86 11.16.17	^p much. either that or science gotta get sexy.
DinosaurJones 11.16.17	I am so into sexy science.
osmark86 11.16.17	but does it hold your hand when you're down? does it pat you on the back and tell you everything's gonna be alright? until it does that, religion will be your closest friend.
Egarran 11.16.17	"That would be a difficult process now, wouldn’t it?" Here in Denmark, christiantiy is the state religion, which leads to all kinds of unnecessary stupidity. Consider the US president swearing on 3 bibles. Does that create respect for the office in anyone who finished grade school? No, it makes it look weird and cultish and lowers the bar of rationality immensely. We could start by separating church and state. Democracy, you know. It's a thing.
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	There are quite a few Christians standing in the way of that
Egarran 11.16.17	You sound so defeatist. Consider Europe 500 years ago. Quite a few christians stood in the way of progress then, but it could not be denied. There are fewer now, but their cult still has a lot of political power. Also they are christians in name only. Their actions are generally materialistic - or satanic by their own definition.
Dedes 11.16.17	De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
sixdegrees 11.16.17	euphoria
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	Do you see it happening anytime soon then Egarran?
WetHarmonica1916 11.16.17	Agnostic
chemicalmarriage 11.16.17	fuck it all, enjoy life
zakalwe 11.16.17	Anyone know any Buddhists? What a proper bunch of arseholes.
Drifter 11.16.17	"Open the Bible of Shrek to psalm BODY once told me" LMFAO
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	I know a couple, they don’t really talk about their beliefs
Egarran 11.16.17	"Do you see it happening anytime soon then Egarran?" I hope for some critical mass of christian hypocrisy. But then again, Trump still has the support of evangelists and pedophilia is still frequent among priests - just to name two of the most egregious examples - and billions of people still subscribe. So instead it's probably going to be phased out slowly over the next 100 years.
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	Who knows, it’s a tough one to call
Egarran 11.16.17	Just be sure to sterilise any christian, muslim or jew you meet ❤
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	Any more religions you're against?
Egarran 11.16.17	They're not important.
Dedes 11.16.17	Zionists are the worst agreed
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	Maybe you should sterilise them then
DrMaximus 11.16.17	Agreed, Egarran atheism has worked out so well throughout history
Egarran 11.16.17	Works for christians, they just relabled it.
Dedes 11.16.17	?????
Dedes 11.16.17	Lol what the fuck are you talking about
DrMaximus 11.17.17	Wut
swipenet 11.17.17	I think what Egarran's referring to is pretty obvious regarding the Christian form of sterilization. Think for a bit. I think DrSmartyPants, the guy who claimed some dictators were pushing atheism (pls give examples btw), commented right before Egarran replied, hence why you guys somehow think he's referring to Dr's comment.
DrMaximus 11.17.17	Mao, stalin, pol pot to name a few. All I'm saying is the idea that christianity has resulted in nothing more than corruption and that atheim is the answer is absurd, at least that's how I interpreted egarrans comments
Dedes 11.17.17	I think religion certainly has a plentitude of issues however it has the potential to be something more pure than the way people currently interpret it. As for the "Christian" form of sterilization I guess you're referring to circumcision which is stupid I agree but it doesn't actually sterilize anyone.
swipenet 11.17.17	I get that those guys were horrible apathetic assholes who each killed millions of people (tens of millions in the cases of the first two), but I don't exactly see how atheism had anything to do with their regimes. I don't think any of us are saying atheism is the final solution, but historically religious motivation has accounted for far more atrocities, e.g. the Crusades, slavery, many if not most invasions, etc. Circumcision would be more of a Jew/Muslim thing, but yeah it's the norm in the US because of some bullshit religious propaganda in the 1920s. I agree it's completely stupid unless there's a medical reason. I think Egarran was more referring to abortion/no sex before marriage (abstinence) though. Could be wrong.
DrMaximus 11.17.17	There's definitely a correlation involving atheism, that's all I'm saying.
swipenet 11.17.17	Yeah but y'know, correlation =/= causation. I'd certainly argue the correlation is a lot stronger the other way. On a somewhat related note, you might find this interesting: http://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
sixdegrees 11.17.17	I believe in a wrathful god
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	A pissed one?
sixdegrees 11.17.17	yea
demigod! 11.17.17	I believe in myself
Royl123 11.17.17	Who gives a damn what u believe in? These lists are pointless
sixdegrees 11.17.17	yeah detachment and irony are so cool you have it all figured out
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	Only thing pointless about this whole thing is your comment
sixdegrees 11.17.17	you dont get it dude he watches Rick and Morty
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	Oh lord his IQ is towering over ours Our only hope is to back down
zakalwe 11.17.17	What’s your belief mate?
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	Who was that comment addressed to?
zakalwe 11.17.17	You son
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	I’m a Luciferian dad
zakalwe 11.17.17	Lucifer is a bellend.
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	How rude
zakalwe 11.17.17	When I’m in hell getting smashed up the arse by a half man half goat chimera I’ll let him know.
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	Go for it mate
zakalwe 11.17.17	That’ll be heaven for some tbh
Demon of the Fall 11.17.17	I believe I can fly
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	It’s not flying, it’s falling with style
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.17.17	i havent really decided how to identify in this regard, or even if i should identify with any ideology at all tbqh
unclereich 11.17.17	Am leavin
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.17.17	decidedly undecided i guess defaults me to agnostic
unclereich 11.17.17	Glad u figured that out sput helped me figure out that im gay
swipenet 11.17.17	Sput has a tendency to do that
Egarran 11.17.17	Thx swipe for trying to explain my post. My point was actually that christianity is aggressive atheism and a denial of divinity, just with another name and a few rituals slapped on. There is no sign of them having any kind of divine guidance. Their very existence is proof that there is no biblical god. But it might very well prove that LUCIFER IS KING and his demons, disguised as clerics and religious politicians, have infiltrated humans to spread evil across the world. Hey, it makes more sense than christmas.
swipenet 11.17.17	No prob. Damn, I don't think anyone would've guessed that's what you meant. You could prob start your own denomination if you peddle that story a little further.
Egarran 11.17.17	Too late, it's called Gnosticism.
swipenet 11.17.17	There really are too many of these lol
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	Lucifer does not spread evil
Egarran 11.17.17	That's hardcore. Are you saying that guys who go into churches and kill christians have Jehova's support and approval?
unclereich 11.17.17	No but they have mine
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	Don’t remember saying anything about church shootings
Egarran 11.17.17	I'm just looking for the mythological consequences. Obviously, Lucifer is a christian creation and must belong to that cosmology. So either he inspires mass murderers or Jehova does.
unclereich 11.17.17	What a vast oversimplification
Egarran 11.17.17	You mean with more nuance Christianity will make sense? Please, I can't wait to read it.
unclereich 11.17.17	Youre just vastly over simplyfying how most of my people think but its all good youre as omnipotent in this thread as the god i believe in
unclereich 11.17.17	"All bad things that happen are the devils work" is spoken like someone who has never studied islam or Christianity
Egarran 11.17.17	What is the alternative? That God is ok with all the misery? Or maybe that he doesn't exist and it's all primitive superstition?
Egarran 11.17.17	Classic god: "TELLICO PLAINS, Tenn. (WATE) – Police say two people were accidentally shot at a church in Tellico Plains Thursday afternoon during a discussion about the recent church shooting in Texas. The Tellico Plains Police Department says elder members of First United Methodist Church were meeting for a Thanksgiving dinner around 1 p.m. and began discussing the Texas shooting when someone asked if anyone brought a gun to their church. A man spoke up and said he carries his everywhere he goes. He pulled the gun out, emptied the magazine and chamber, and then started passing the gun around. Once the gun came back around to its owner, police say the man put the magazine back in and recharged the chamber, but accidentally squeezed the trigger. The gun went off, hitting the man in the hand and his wife in the abdomen."
unclereich 11.17.17	﷽
Egarran 11.17.17	Being muslim makes even less sense. They feel so bad about compromising their faith that millions of muslims are forced into stupidity and hate. But ok, it's a bit less hypocritical than christianity.
swipenet 11.17.17	I like your style Egarran. The more complicated and convoluted these origin stories are, the less plausible they seem.
swipenet 11.17.17	Not that they were remotely plausible to begin with.
Egarran 11.17.17	Basically I don't understand how people are still ok with these organized religions. Their followers have absolutely no argument that doesn't fall apart at the slightest tough. I guess they are pot committed. Acknowledging now that their ancestors were deluded and societies were built on inhuman absurdities must be extremely hard. Better shut the eyes and avoid the identity crisis.
swipenet 11.17.17	Yeah it’s been around for so long that people just cling onto it as if tradition is something to blindly continue for all eternity. Also, herd mentality. So many people have been swathed by this crap that they don’t want to feel ostracized when they actually critically think and realize the gaping logical inconsistencies that are all over scripture. Why make progress when they’re content as is? Organized religion will only be phased out gradually when the overwhelming majority recognize the baselessness of most of their beliefs.
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	Basically, my belief system is down to me learning as much as possible and understanding the world through science or philosophy, as well as keeping a moral code. I don’t see why this should be abolished, as it is a good archetype to follow for my personal growth, and will not lead me to affect others with it, due to the fact that it is just me unlocking my potential.
unclereich 11.17.17	1515
Egarran 11.17.17	"I don’t see why this should be abolished" True, only you can prevent god delusions. But do you recognize any of my points?
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Demon of the Fall 11.17.17	'Organized religion will only be phased out gradually when the overwhelming majority recognize the baselessness of most of their beliefs.' This has already started to happen in some parts of the world, personally I'm struggling to think of more than a couple of people under a certain age who are known (by me) to follow a faith. Most religious people in the UK now are either from the older generations or ethnic minorities. Christianity is dying here, it's just taking a long time.
guitarded_chuck 11.17.17	the sample size taken by the tiny window of people in your own life does not account for the fact 80+% of the worlds population follows a religion i think finding myths to fill in the gaps of scientific/philosophical of one's worldview is a natural human inclination and isn't going away in it's entirety any time soon if ever
Demon of the Fall 11.17.17	I was specifically talking about the UK & there's evidence to support this, especially when talking about the younger generations.
Demon of the Fall 11.17.17	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/04/half-uk-population-has-no-religion-british-social-attitudes-survey For anyone who isn't from round these parts...
Egarran 11.17.17	"finding myths to fill in the gaps of scientific/philosophical of one's worldview is a natural human inclination" I was anxious to avoid the 'a majority of humans in any society are morons', but here we are.
guitarded_chuck 11.17.17	if you were to test their IQ their averages would probably be similar or equal to non-religious people from other parts of the world its not that theyre morons, its that they are brought up in an environment where religious myths are taught to them to be the truth and no countering point of view or "proper" education is ever an option for them its like the idea that if you or i were born and raised in the environment that bred nazism in 1930s/40s germany we would be just as likely to succumb to those toxic views as they were, you can apply that to the likelihood of following a religion today in parts of the world with very high rates of theistic belief
ScuroFantasma 11.17.17	"it makes more sense than christmas" Why doesn't christmas make sense?
Demon of the Fall 11.17.17	Because you're allowed chocolate at breakfast time, that's screwed up, am I right?
ScuroFantasma 11.17.17	Good point, I can't abide by that
DinosaurJones 11.17.17	Easter too... I guess they love their chocolate for breakfast. They must adore Reese's Puffs.
Deathconscious 11.17.17	Acktually! I know theres already been at least one study that suggested non-religious people have higher IQs on average compared to religious people.
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	My IQ is about 32 above average, just sayin
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	On an utterly unrelated note, what are the chances I’ll be allowed a gif for an avatar?
osmark86 11.17.17	I somehow doubt that calling people of faith stupid is constructive to whatever agenda is trying to convert them to non-believers.
guitarded_chuck 11.17.17	" I know theres already been at least one study that suggested non-religious people have higher IQs on average compared to religious people." source? i havent heard that but i have heard that religious people on average tend to suffer less from anxiety disorders
Aberf 11.17.17	To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Atheism.
osmark86 11.17.17	here's one that's been cited a lot. haven't read it myself so you make of it what you want: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1088868313497266?journalCode=psra
SCREAM! 11.17.17	"i havent heard that but i have heard that religious people on average tend to suffer less from anxiety disorders" I vaguely remember hearing that people with higher IQs tend to suffer from anxiety more often but I probably got that from a meme
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	Understandable, cos the more you learn about the world the more you learn how fucked up it is.
osmark86 11.17.17	I believe that also has to do with a more isolated technologically fused society laced with unsocial media. the anxiety bit that is. could be talking straight outta my own ass though.
osmark86 11.17.17	dumb people get anxious too ^^
guitarded_chuck 11.17.17	"Understandable, cos the more you learn about the world the more you learn how fucked up it is." that for sure and also being able to fill in the existential dread that comes with questions about existence and reality and death with religious myth is the ultimate comfort blanket which is why i believe religion will always persist, unless we evolve into some sort of android type species that combines our technology with our consciousness and basically shows each individual what our closest version of reality based on science currently is
guitarded_chuck 11.17.17	"I believe that also has to do with a more isolated technologically fused society laced with unsocial media. the anxiety bit that is. could be talking straight outta my own ass though." definitely a major issue 100% theres been studies done already that show increase in anxious brain functioning etc when people are on their phones, using social media, and of course, isolating themselves
zakalwe 11.17.17	Fucking awful. Anyone want to start a band?
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	What genre?
osmark86 11.17.17	anxietycore
zakalwe 11.17.17	Early 70s rock.
osmark86 11.17.17	I can dig, when's first rehearsal?
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	We can just go back in time to the 70s where we can make classics
osmark86 11.17.17	BlackwaterPork on sound + science engineering set. I'm a fucking genius with the kazoo
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	I can play the guitar like a spazmoid if that’s any help
zakalwe 11.17.17	Definitely
BlackwaterPork 11.17.17	I flap my hands vigorously on the fret board while screaming profusely
DinosaurJones 11.17.17	I vote for awkwardcore, which consists of off time 7/4 beats on the hi-hat, and the lyrics are just stammered apologies.
SCREAM! 11.17.17	"I vote for awkwardcore, which consists of off time 7/4 beats" It's actually 4/4 but the drummer keeps starting and stopping due to screw ups
Egarran 11.17.17	"I somehow doubt that calling people of faith stupid is constructive to whatever agenda is trying to convert them to non-believers." Indeed. As I said I tried to avoid it, but that is the conclusion. How do these nonsensical and harmful power structures still exist if a majority is able to think critically?
zakalwe 11.17.17	For absolutely no reason whatsoever I’ll let you know me religious background. My mum and dad didn’t believe in anything other than letting me and my brother have a choice so I was never christened. In the 80s me mum had an almighty case of religious mania, hallucinations the lot. Clearly she had some sort of breakdown but to this day she sticks by it and is well and truly a believer although she despises organised religion. Dad still couldn’t really give a fuck. I’m agnostic/atheist
ButteryBiscuitBass 11.17.17	And a nonce Zak...
zakalwe 11.17.17	Classic
Keyblade 11.17.17	im muslim. where my akhis and ukhtis at
osmark86 11.17.17	Zak, that sounds eerily familiar to my background. Except it was the early 00s instead.
Egarran 11.17.17	My grandmother was pretty atheist all her life. But when she was dying in the hospital, she said that God and Satan were fighting over her soul. This fucked up her son (my uncle) pretty bad, so he's a crazy christian now.
TecumsehGargoyle 11.17.17	The Esoteric Order of the Cyber-Industrial Self-Replicating Blind Martyr
DarkSideOfLucca 11.17.17	"Understandable for sure. Even as an atheist now i still appreciate Christmas and Easter for bringing family together and giving reason for celebration even if I don't connect to it on a spiritual level anymore. Definitely grown attached to it over the years of being brought up with it" Hell yeah man, it's all about the family/traditions m/
DrMaximus 11.17.17	thread is aids
DarkSideOfLucca 11.17.17	aids is thread
Aberf 11.17.17	tfw people instantly become religious expert in an online platform
swipenet 11.18.17	Don't underestimate the potential of online discussion aberf, if the comments are just 'threads is aids' and similar, then of course you'll just be filling the place with shit, but there's some somewhat intelligent exchanging going on here, don't pretend not to see it.
swipenet 11.18.17	That and Shrek of course
Prettyplease 11.18.17	"It’s absolute quality. You’ll be untouchable from persecution or even from people questioning you plus you get to knock the wife about as long as she doesn’t grass. I tell you my eyes have been truly opened." What a knock-out blow, haha. Nice zak, I like this angle you're working from
Aberf 11.18.17	Whoa, where is that claim come from? I don't. I'm just giving my stance to few people in here that I don't need to name. In fact it's a pleasure to read an intelligent discussion. I barely see it here, thus my shitpost began.
swipenet 11.18.17	Yeah it's been flooded by shitposts so I don't blame you. Still a quality thread though as it's at least entertaining.
Aberf 11.18.17	People like to throw claim here and there, and there are also people who like to find a causation towards that claim to give a further understanding. I appreciate people of the latter a lot.
sixdegrees 11.18.17	﷽
swipenet 11.18.17	If you're referring to my reply, I wasn't claiming anything, more just making a reasonable inference that you may have been assuming something. Apologies if you felt I should have addressed that earlier. We're all here to dick around and learn, so why not simultaneously?
Aberf 11.18.17	"If you're referring to my reply, I wasn't claiming anything, more just making a reasonable inference that you may have been assuming something. Apologies if you felt I should have addressed that earlier. We're all here to dick around and learn, so why not simultaneously?" I was referring to all the vague claim above. The claims that could mislead its readers into making a quick judgement.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.18.17	zak you can't even keep your syntax straight for one post ffs! u swapping between the british slang version of "my" and the proper english version in the same fucking sentence you duplicitous crumpet
BlackwaterPork 11.18.17	The lochness monster is not a myth you stupid bastard
Egarran 11.18.17	Thread may be aids, but at least it's secular aids. Nobody is claiming christianity makes sense and that is good. Jesus has a plan for your life. Even if you're a pedophile priest, Jesus will forgive you. Worshippers killed in church is part of His great design. You cannot hope to understand it, but you must believe to save your eternal soul. Now THAT is cancer. It also happens to be the belief of most westerners.
zakalwe 11.18.17	I dunno about that. You can interpret it anyway you want, the essence of free will and for that we should be truly grateful.
DoofusWainwright 11.18.17	Amen to that zak. Still find it strange a lot of users here seem to defend dogma in religions that mean they wouldn't be free to even listen to the 'rock n' roll' or 'pop' music of the west. Personally, I'd defend that to the death, for reals. I'd go to war over those sort of freedoms. What's the point of living without them?
osmark86 11.18.17	Voltaire would be proud doof
DoofusWainwright 11.18.17	Well, combine those beliefs with an expansionist agenda and that’s when it becomes my beef. If people choose to live by those rules fair dos. Of course some people are forced to live with such rules and that’s also bullshit.
DoofusWainwright 11.18.17	Obviously whether that’s fundamental Catholicism, Scientology, Islam, whatever else - doesn’t matter
osmark86 11.18.17	I'm inclined to agree. But I suppose it's generally hard to separate conviction in one's beliefs from wanting to spread them.
zakalwe 11.18.17	I think I might go full on pagan. Run around Stonehenge with me tackle out.
osmark86 11.18.17	...and oh how they danced
DoofusWainwright 11.18.17	In the voice of Dan Akroyd... ‘“People Against Goodness and Normality”!
butcherboy 11.18.17	I treat my views like my most favourite music.. the less mooks know about it, the more for me..
Papa Universe 11.18.17	butcherboy the hipster cleric
butcherboy 11.18.17	that being said, you better start praying to Father Allah Von Buddha, my tri-headed god, if you want to rapture to Vuvovia when the fire lizards rise through the planet's nucleus..
Papa Universe 11.18.17	so you mean to tell me that we're going to see an actuall Jesus Lizard?
butcherboy 11.18.17	Or thin lizzy.. Or those lizard gizzard geezers
Papa Universe 11.18.17	Lizzy Mercier will announce her comeback... Cult of the Lizard God will sell like crazy.
Papa Universe 11.18.17	oh wait, she's dead...
butcherboy 11.18.17	Jim Morrison ... Oh wait
butcherboy 11.18.17	Oh wait.. Oh wait
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.18.17	"Thread may be aids, but at least it's secular aids. Nobody is claiming christianity makes sense and that is good. Jesus has a plan for your life. Even if you're a pedophile priest, Jesus will forgive you. Worshippers killed in church is part of His great design. You cannot hope to understand it, but you must believe to save your eternal soul. Now THAT is cancer. It also happens to be the belief of most westerners." this is not what most westerners believe, this is just what non-religious westerners like to generalize as christians belief.
sixdegrees 11.18.17	takbir
rc239 11.18.17	Bob Marley
sixdegrees 11.18.17	sm0k
Jots 11.18.17	are u aiwaz this much of a debbie downer
someguest 11.18.17	I'm closest to Taoist, but I don't practice any religion. I did grow up in a evangelist environment and that is all bullshit and groupthink.
Aerisavion 11.18.17	I believe in what I see. I’m an atheist or agnostic until proven otherwise.
swipenet 11.18.17	Good way to live
Deathconscious 11.18.17	youre waiting for someone to prove that youre not an atheist or agnostic?
swipenet 11.18.17	Makes sense to me
Aerisavion 11.18.17	‘youre waiting for someone to prove that youre not an atheist or agnostic?’ I’m not waiting for anyone to prove anything. Just don’t see the point wasting my time believing in something I have no reason to believe in. Don’t care much for what anyone else believes in either; that’s their business and I’m not gonna judge them for it. Just be happy if you can, and if that makes you happy then fine.
swipenet 11.18.17	My man
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	religion can have worth beyond just 'believing in something' you cant prove. it has also provided large societies with lasting common values and ethics which is an important shared basis for a society. so even if ur an athiest or an agnostic you actually benefit from the existence of a society based in a judeo-christian value system whether you like it or not. since humans widely consider themselves transcendent of the animal hierarchy the ideas of what is right and wrong in nature that metric doesnt really apply to us. so fairy tales and religion and mythology help create the shared values that keep a society together and influence said societies well beyond the reach of their scientific validity. but for the most part i agree that if religion makes you a happy decent person do it up i dont care but if it makes you an evil person you are garbage.
matbla00 11.19.17	Lorde, what u wrote is basically a restatement of 'if god does not exist we would have to invent him' as in Voltaire [and Dostoyevsky]. I agree with the recognition of let's say positive effects of a system of religious beliefs that codified morality in a more basic [and maybe more effective?] way than philosophy
hal1ax 11.19.17	growing up i would often hear people argue with my mother (who is catholic) about how certain things discussed in the bible are not true, it's all expurgated and fabricated yada yada, and while that may very well be the case, i've always felt like that line of reasoning was sorta missing the point. no one has answers, no one knows the axiomatic truth in this regard, so i like to look at adherence to religion from a phenomenological vantage point, basically, however the doctrine affects you, whether it contains facts or not, is real. like if living by its precepts helps to give your life structure and meaning and helps you to becomes a better and happier person, that's rly all that matters i think. but yea agree with u pots
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	sounds like i would like Voltaire and Dostoyevsky
matbla00 11.19.17	Give them a try: reading brothers karamazov, although long and mundane at times, is quite an experience [of course I disagree with a lot of stuff he believed it, but still]
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	i actually lifted the premise of that rant from a lecture by Ben Shapiro tho actually lmao
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	and word i will! thanks for the rec
TheSpaceMan 11.19.17	" actually lifted the premise of that rant from a lecture by Ben Shapiro tho actually lmao" lmao [2]
matbla00 11.19.17	Why is Shapiro funny? It's the first time I heard of the guy but looking at his wiki, he seems quite legit
Orb 11.19.17	I believe in wherever it is DMT takes me whenever I indulge in that magical sacrament. Other than that, I just try to live by the simple principles of compassion, honesty and loyalty to my fellow humans. Works for me!
Crymsonblaze 11.19.17	Atheist fo sho
Orb 11.19.17	I have. Different roads to the same destination my friend :)
Deez 11.19.17	I believe in that place too Evok. Dont have the means or words to explain it but know its there. I dont need to explain it. Hey I can even take people there if they wanna jump in and see and make their own minds up!! And it has nothing to do with religion. I find it funny Humans cant even grasp deep space or quantum physics etc etc Yet we think if there was we could comprehend what god ( i hate that word) would be/is with our feeble little brains.
Orb 11.19.17	Cheers to that Deezer! Cheers to that
Deez 11.19.17	Fuck datura.
Orb 11.19.17	No kidding. I've been to hell and don't really wanna go back intentionally any time soon. I'll stick with hallucinogens that don't suck thank you very much!
Deez 11.19.17	I got offered to do it in Oz and declined. There was a shaman in Peru who was mixing it with the Ayahuasca and it killed a girl. So its something ill probably always stay away from.
Orb 11.19.17	Only dissociative I can honestly say I'm down to fux with from time to time is ketamine due to its (relative) safeness, short duration of intoxication and ease of use. It's pretty friendly as far that ilk is concerned and mixes with other entheogens quite well too.
TheSpaceMan 11.19.17	@mat he's alright, pretty reasonable tbh. It's the delivery that's funny "aww shit that's Voltaire right?" "Nah Ben Shapiro"
TheSpaceMan 11.19.17	Also datura is a dileriant (sp?)
Aberf 11.19.17	أشهدُ أنْ لا إلهَ إلاَّ الله وأشهدُ أنَّ محمّدًا رسولُ الله
Orb 11.19.17	Ah yer right it is indeed. Ah well, my point still stands kinda lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	i have to say i love u deez and evokaphile but i find glorifying the psychedelic experience into some kind of tool of enlightenment kind of to be a typical line of logic followed by the worst kinds of hippies where i live neither of u seem to be awful hippies and ur both smart dudes tho so i wont pass that assumption on to you guys but im genuinley curious, as someone who used to do a lot of drugs, what the logic behind that is. sure, psychedelics can make your brain work in ways that open up your mind to new pathways of thinking etc but to say that chemical effects on the mind is any more of a logical perspective on the ways of the universe and god etc than any religion seems just as illogical to me and also a little bit narcissistic. thoughts?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	"Why is Shapiro funny? It's the first time I heard of the guy but looking at his wiki, he seems quite legit" he is, he's a smart dude. its just funny cuz he's a demonized political figure by the left that gets diminished into a fascist imp. which is painfully ironic because fascism is literally the complete opposite of everything he stands for. and to have him pop into the convo after the mention of voltaire is just kind of funny given the media reception of him.
Deathconscious 11.19.17	"i have to say i love u deez and evokaphile but i find glorifying the psychedelic experience into some kind of tool of enlightenment kind of to be a typical line of logic followed by the worst kinds of hippies where i live" lol same, sorry guys. theres nothing spiritual about it, its a drug fucking with your brain. thats all there is to it.
BlackwaterPork 11.19.17	Generic statement about love being the only drug
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 11.19.17	Wouldn't have pegged Pots for a Shapiro listener.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	i just dont know where the logical jump comes from that makes people think that the language of 'god' is drugs like we do have science now it is 2017
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	"Wouldn't have pegged Pots for a Shapiro listener." honestly i admire the shit out of the dude. i may not believe what he thinks is right for america is right for canada or the rest of the world but he is an extremely logical and thoughtful person and i think he has more knowledge about how things actually work than basically any liberal or leftist ive ever heard speak about anything ever in the last couple years.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	i feel the mass hysteria over religion that makes people speak in tongues and think that that is legit is about as reasonable as the ideology that drugs=enlightenment
Itwasthatwas 11.19.17	Over the last couple of years I've moved away from atheism to a sort of deism valuing the core of world religions without the exoteric details. That transition has been largely influenced by writers like Rene Guenon and Frithjof Schuon. Like Pots was saying earlier, religion has had an immense social value that one has to consider alongside any of its ills. We have gained something as a society by moving in an ostensibly more empirical or scientific direction, but lost a unifying force in our communities and nations. I also think the idea that we've replaced religion with rationality to be laughable, since there seems to be very little rational basis to the most peoples' world view or even to corporate or government policy.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	well said
Deathconscious 11.19.17	religion has definitely helped people, but i think the idea that its necessary for a good society is debatable. i think maybe humanity will grow past it at some point.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	implying that it has undeniably had social value and that its important to find another way to unify a societies ethic systems and ideas of 'right' and 'wrong' doesnt necessarily implicate that religion is the only answer
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.19.17	in fact, imo its not even the ideal answer, its just one of the most successful answers humanity has had so far.
Deathconscious 11.19.17	true
ScuroFantasma 11.19.17	"i think he has more knowledge about how things actually work than basically any liberal or leftist ive ever heard speak about anything ever in the last couple years." Agreed, he's a self-identified conservative though. Unless you were just comparing him to liberal speakers in general and not referring to him as one also.
Crymsonblaze 11.19.17	Lots of lol itt
hal1ax 11.19.17	lol yea shapiro is an orthodox jew, so it's pretty comical to see herds of college kids chant about him being a nazi and what not. and the main value i've seen come out of psychedelic use has been occasional shifts in perception that sometimes redound in healthier, more extricated ways of thinking. but then of course some people have the opposite reaction so
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	"Agreed, he's a self-identified conservative though. Unless you were just comparing him to liberal speakers in general and not referring to him as one also." i was just comparing him to liberal speakers, not saying he is one
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	"and the main value i've seen come out of psychedelic use has been occasional shifts in perception that sometimes redound in healthier, more extricated ways of thinking." this is fine. i just hate when people elevate the effects of drugs from scientifically sound conclusions about their effects to saying the dmt machine elves are most certainly real and if you haven't met them yet you don't know god. like that shit is honestly even more profoundly outrageous than most legitimate religions unless you count scientology.
hal1ax 11.20.17	oh i'm with you there. i know a couple people like that. they try to color people as close-minded and sheepish for not wanting to do dmt all the time lol... like they're just scared of discovering the "truth"
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	yeah man, exactly
parksungjoon 11.20.17	i ctrl f this thread for bad religion and there's no results huh this used to be a music website...
Deez 11.20.17	Re Potz. I have always and will always promote the psychedelic experience to sound minded people. I really dont care how that comes across. Usually people shouting it down are people who drink copious amounts of booze which i have equally never understood. Not in search of 'god' but soley because an intense trip is such a profound experience that if you were to die and not experience that I feel your actually missing out. I think its good for everyone to have the ego completely smashed and connect with nature from time to time. The same way I think if you havent travelled your missing out etc The same way my friend wants me to jump out of a plane! etc etc But my only real 'spiritual' experience I had and had multiple times was on DMT. Its not just 'seeing the elves' I find the make up of it, the fact of how close it is to tryptophan biochemically, The fact it exists in all living things, That its been used by tribes for so long, all the shit im sure you know makes it far more facisnating than your everyday psychs. Im well aware it could 'just be a drug' fucking with me. But a couple of weeks doing Ayahuasca in the amazon made me think different. I want ALL my friends to at least have the experience. But I dont push it. Its not a fucking joke. But if they ever feel the need or want to dive in ill most definitely help them. But if anyone who is aggressively saying its all bullshit theres a real easy way to find out for yourself and it takes 10 mins. If a priest told me he could show me god in 10 mins and it didnt include a cock up my hoop Id be down of course. I dont think im better than anyone or know anything special and theres lots of different avenues to the same conclusion/place that doesnt mean taking anything but what has happened to me while on the thing was literally not in me before hand. Ive seen so many things I dont have words for. I had this little fucking creature once show me a colour ive never seen before laughing telling me to tell my friends I only realised when I got back I couldnt cos we literally dont have words for it. I can still see it but I still cant explain it. Does that mean theres a god or a place yadda yadda of course not but I believe theres SOMETHING to it that I cant quite put into any words and the only thing ive ever experienced that I feel COULD be something along those lines. Im sure moses said the same thing when he had some fucking voice in his head. I mean you could argue many Religions were started through drug Use. John Allegro believes christianity came from a mushroom fertility cult after he studied the dead sea scrolls in the 60s and was laughed at with similar disdain. I think they are at the root,many times Intertwined.
Deez 11.20.17	Shit was crazy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	thanks for expanding deezer, i do not disagree with you in any capacity!
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	i mean if THATS what you're worried about, you certainly don't need to go as far as peru to obtain it or do it in a country where it isnt sched I pre sure dmt is like sched III here in canada and its not that hard to get
Deez 11.20.17	I totally get what you mean though homes. Luckily Im not around any but i see them on YT all the time. Telling you to decalcify your pineal gland and let the dmt reign and such shite.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	yeah man, im just tentative when discussing drugs with people. i like to know their ideology before i get into it because there is literally nothing more asinine than talking about drugs with a west-coast hippy fuck with drug abuse induced NPD
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	i implore that, your wording just made it seem like you were just worried about the fact that its super illegal in the states.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	only once. tried smoked dmt a few times too but that is not the same by any stretch haha.
Deez 11.20.17	Thats why I went to the Amazon Aiwaz. First time I wanted to be in its 'home' and i definitely feel that added to it. I felt safe with the shamen too. Your subconscious is going 'Im in the fucking Amazon!!' over and over. Its such tourist drug now though, Its harder to find real Shaman. I heard of one place doing Aya session here in the UK and on the come down they put Adele on the fucking radio.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	My aunt has a really good shaman that she goes to in Peru. if i ever do it again it will be there with him because of that reason, he's a trusted source so i dont have to worry about that
Deez 11.20.17	I think its hugely important. At least first few occasions. I remember watching some documentary on youtube about a retreat down there and I just felt something was wrong with their shamen, I have no idea why, just felt it. 2 years later he fucking buried some kid who died in ceremony and told his parent he wasnt there.
Deez 11.20.17	The first one was was in a retreat with about 15 people. An aussie guy i met in Laos 5 years earlier met me in peru and we went over together but stayed opposite ends of the room. By the end there where 5 people left on the last day (4th session) haha. I then took a boat down the amazon and hooked up with a guy who took me to another shamen deeper in the Amazon proper for a 1 on 1 session. I swear ive never been so scared. Pitch black in the amazon with a shamen I dont know and a peruvian I just met and trusted in the middle of the damn amazon about to drink the most hallucinogenic drug on the planet. Was a real 'nowhere to run' moment.
someguest 11.20.17	your whole existence is in your mind without senses and perception you're as good as dead
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	hockey dad party island
Deathconscious 11.20.17	That is crazy, deez.
Demon of the Fall 11.20.17	Deezer, are you actually insane? Haha. I'm not sure this is something I could ever do but I at least have to commend your fearless attitude for knowingly putting yourself in that situation in the first place. Stupid question perhaps but if you were scared couldn't that have given you a 'bad trip' or is that not a thing with this stuff?
sixdegrees 11.20.17	deez nuts
Papa Universe 11.20.17	Leave deez nuts, join Jeez nuts.
Deathconscious 11.20.17	Sleazy deezy
Deez 11.20.17	You only live once and all that. My whole life ive travelled the world until ran out of money and come home and scraped more and fucked off again thats left me in quite a few scapes in countries you dont wanna be with no cash!. My lifes filled with moments like that hahah But i distinctly remember before that last session going 'fuck what am I doing?'. I just had to steady myself and breathe. That session turned out to not really be that powerful or insightful. I just kinda felt drunk. Some stuff happened but was slightly dissapointing. The 2 guys had to carry me back to the hut and luckily didnt bum me.
zakalwe 11.20.17	Pffft. Fuck off back to Marrakesh with your mood beads Tristan while the rest of us slog our bollocks off.
BandNewbac 11.20.17	Odinist Pagan.
Deez 11.20.17	Yeah slog you bollocks off to pay for your fat wife and mongoloid kids for the next 50 years. Maybe you can get to Spain for a week every 2 years, and sit by a fucking pool.
zakalwe 11.20.17	Nah I’ll kill ‘em long before then
guitarded_chuck 11.20.17	have literally none of you heard of ayahuasca
Deez 11.20.17	?? huh....Theres just been a conversation about it ??
guitarded_chuck 11.20.17	ye but everyones like WHOA DUDE UR CRAZY a ton of people go to the amazon and do ayahuasca, like all of rich class hollywood types go etc
zakalwe 11.20.17	Sort of shit they call their daughter. ayahuasca has learnt to play viola at grade two level, it’s most promising.
Deez 11.20.17	Yeah its a tourist drug now down there (iquitos mainly). The same type of people potz was talking about. I know people that live there and they say every local guy now says hes a shaman. Of course. These people with no money see these rich ass gringos flooding the place. Thats another reason I felt I had to go do a one on one. Theres been multiple rape accounts from woman by these fuckers too now. One of the most well known retreats where all the rich fuckers go was about 2-4 grand for a week!! Whats the point going to the amazon and getting pampered like its the hilton
zakalwe 11.20.17	Iquitos. That’s the boys name sorted.
guitarded_chuck 11.20.17	lol z
Deez 11.20.17	hahahhha there will defo be someone out there living with 2 kids called Iquitos and Ayahuasca 100%. Probably in Flagstaff in an earthship
guitarded_chuck 11.20.17	yeah theres some sort of painfully hilarious irony in paying copious amounts of money to stay in luxurious conditions to take a drug that strips away all the bullshit and teaches your the false value of material goods and luxuries whatev though, more money for people that need it
Deez 11.20.17	'I went to the amazon to do ayahuasca' is actually 'I took a luxury cabin boat down the amazon to my 4000 dollar retreat that had the rooms cleaned every day' The amazon is nuts though,The amount of tarantulas that come out at night time is insane. Theres no cool David attenborough voice narrating everything for you. Youre just basically surrounded by swarms mosquitos that bite through your clothes and constantly screaming 'Arrrrgghhh just fuck off!!'
Egarran 11.23.17	Thanks deezer for the stories. There's a reason why religious people and psychonauts are so anxious to share their experience with the rest of the world. They had a valuable insight that went beyond the science and rationality we consider normal. It's very easy to become preachy after that. If you were desperate and prayed to Jesus and he actually appeared and comforted you by putting things into some divine perspective, no doubt you would go on a mission to convert the poor nonbelievers. (It's just too bad and not important that the rest of the mythology is stupid.) "I need ego death." Psilocybin can fix that, no shaman required.
Orb 11.23.17	"Ive died too many times to count" pretty much sums up my experiences with heavy doses and I wouldn't trade those insights for the world. Ive met a lot of preachy psychonauts and it kind of drives me crazy when they pull the same holier-than-thou card on people that zealous religious folks do but at the same time I totally get it ya know? Personally I just make art to come to terms with heavy trips but everyone integrates experiences differently. I think a lot of these people want nothing more than some external affirmation that the intangible experiences theyve had carry some merit in the physical world. Im just over here dreaming of the day when the western world stops treating psychedelic spirituality as some weird taboo thing to be looked down upon. Share these "we are all God dont you see" revelations with a Hindu or Buddhist and they will probably give you a big smile and a hug. Generally speaking if you try pulling that card in the Abrahamic world and you'll likely get laughed out of the room. /endrant
ramon. 11.23.17	Typed "Christian" into a Ctrl+F and saw 26 results pop up, 14 of which were Egarran's. I smell a spicy backstory. I'm Christian, guys! Suhhhh (but don't smoke weed, you'll go to hell)!
Demon of the Fall 11.23.17	'a ton of people go to the amazon and do ayahuasca, like all of rich class hollywood types go etc' That wasn't my point, it was the situation in which he took the drug... deep in the Amazon, in the dark, with random strangers etc.
Egarran 11.23.17	Sorry crypto, I am living in a christian culture and it's a very disappointing religion and I need to vent my frustration. One guy kind of agreed with me, so I count that as a win. @Ewokeaf well ranted
BlackwaterPork 11.23.17	Omfg this thing isn't dead yet
Egarran 11.23.17	This debate has been going for +2000 years.
Sinternet 11.23.17	im a zizekist, my only goal is to reach the finest most divinest level of accelerationist praxis imaginable i got sikh family they cool
Deez 11.23.17	Yeah I totally agree Egarran. We are creatures of experience or at least should be. If an alien spaceship comes down and takes me into space and fingers my bum all night before dropping me back off yet NO ONE believes me does that make it not real? If it happened to me? What we as humans quantify as real are things you can put in a box or hit with hammer. The experience is real. So i get anyone whos had that experience with anything Jesus/God/Yoga/Meditation whatever. Your ego over time will try and tell you it wasnt but deep down you know. Im sure MANY who have these experiences know deep down theyre lying also. We have a hang up about the word 'God' also , being From a white christian country like mine i HATE that word because theres so much baggage attached. You have to say that word but that 'god' isnt what i mean. What I saw,felt and believe through the Ayayhuasca was some kind of place that was just energy, Light and energy. I was 'shown' something of my Grandmother who was an angel (not an actual one) and brought over 50 foster children into her house in her life and died with cancer in her 50s. I got 'shown' this kind of pink, ribbon like light and was told that was kinda like the essence of what made her a good person at her core. When she ded she doesnt exist shes gone, Like ill be gone. But that essence gets reused into something or someone else, a new life. It actually showed me a vision of a woman someone in the world and said that this woman had the same thing that was in my grandmother, What made her a beautiful person was literally in this girl but not to look for her or any shit because its not her. Wether thats complete horseshit coming from unknown part of my brain and the shittons of drugs ive just took (again saying its just drugs in regards to ayahuasca and DMT given its history and its link bio chemically doesnt stand with me) or not what it did do it make me completely unafraid of death. So it doesnt really matter whether its real or not and to that point i understand people who feel the same about God/Jesus etc TO A POINT. but all the other bullshit that goes with it is sickening and a distortion and I think a lot of people want to push a certain experience to being 'from god' rather than it actually being one. some people dont give themselves enough credit for doing something and making it happen and give all thanks to god. Based an experience that didnt really happen therefore Solidifying that belief.
swipenet 11.23.17	Thread has the potential to become the longest on the site
Orb 11.23.17	I fuckin love you deezer
Deez 11.23.17	< 3
SCREAM! 11.23.17	"Thread has the potential to become the longest on the site" Lol we're still a long way away from that
SCREAM! 11.23.17	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?listid=95474 a very, very long way
Deez 11.23.17	What did you expect!!??
swipenet 11.23.17	It's gonna take some time to realize :P
swipenet 11.23.17	But at this pace it's certainly doable
swipenet 11.29.17	Obligatory resurrection attempt
BlackwaterPork 11.29.17	No no NO let it die IT WANTS TO DIE
swipenet 11.29.17	Thinks it's so special does it? Jesus would like a word.
BlackwaterPork 11.29.17	Oh fuck egaraan is gonna appear soon
swipenet 11.29.17	Hope so, he seems to be the Saviour here
BlackwaterPork 11.29.17	I hate how this got a comment before my new list which I created today lol
swipenet 11.30.17	I mean it's def more controversial and open to shitposts
swipenet 11.30.17	Seems like our gods have abandoned us. All of the previous posters are either done with this thread or are taking a break from the site.
Egarran 11.30.17	sup my nikkers xtiniaty sux later dudes
sixdegrees 11.30.17	god is a woman
BlackwaterPork 11.30.17	This thread needs to be taken to dignitas
sixdegrees 11.30.17	123
kalkwiese 11.30.17	Is Opeth a religion?
BlackwaterPork 11.30.17	Sure
kalkwiese 11.30.17	Alright. Hail Opeth!
sixdegrees 11.30.17	RIP chester