smaugman: Rush albums ranked

Jasdevi087 03.20.15	ayy?
smaugman 03.20.15	lmao
Dodenakker 03.20.15	Where's the rest?
smaugman 03.20.15	didnt bother to include,but after this is clockwork angels
sputnik1 03.20.15	uh, no
smaugman 03.20.15	uhh, gtfo
KILL 03.20.15	clockwork before 2112 n signals? damn
BladeRunner 03.20.15	P/G at 4. Well done! underrated Rush record... But man...Between the Wheels is the shit!
smaugman 03.20.15	well kill, im not sure about that, it's just that clockwork angel song is so awesome
VaxXi 03.20.15	Youre missing like... 30 albums.
smaugman 03.20.15	I don't bother, which I stated earlier. If u want me to make new, say it
TheRedSizer 03.20.15	no 2112?
smaugman 03.20.15	..................
BigLeach65 04.17.15	2112
smaugman 04.17.15	i got another list
JokineAugustus 04.17.15	You got balls to put Grace ahead of Moving Pictures. I'd probably do the same
Underflow 04.17.15	80s Rush > 70s Rush
JokineAugustus 04.17.15	That's just going full retard now
Torontonian 04.17.15	You got balls to put Grace ahead of Moving Pictures. I'd probably do the same [2]
Titan 04.17.15	not really Jokine
Underflow 04.17.15	Don't think the epithets are necessary, but Rush's 70s output does nothing for me.
JokineAugustus 04.17.15	2112, Hemispheres, and A Farewell to Kings beat anything from the 80's Rush. Moving pictures grew off me, and PW is great, but not quite as good.
Titan 04.17.15	MP, PeWa, Sigs are just as good
Underflow 04.17.15	Always thought 2112 was horrid.
Underflow 04.17.15	Hemisphere's and A Farewell To Kings are better, but not as good as their 80s output.
Torontonian 04.17.15	lol how is 2112 bad?
Underflow 04.17.15	Never found the title track particularly compelling as a prog rock epic, and the rest of the album just sort of fumbles around afterwards. Also, Geddy Lee's voice pre-1980 is unbearable.
froghawk 04.17.15	Underflow is right, 2112 is a complete disaster structurally. There's no form to the title track at all, it just meanders from one idea to the next with no sense of direction. Easily one of the most overrated prog records of all time. The next two records are a huge improvement.
Titan 04.17.15	'Easily one of the most overrated prog records of all time' Without it, post 76 Rush wouldn't exist
Underflow 04.17.15	That doesn't mean it's not awful though.
froghawk 04.17.15	So what? Radiohead wouldn't exist without Pablo Honey, that doesn't make PH a good album.
Titan 04.17.15	Wrong. If it was awful, Rush would've been finished. But the album was a success, which means it has to at least be pretty good, and allowed the band to continue. Title track is incredible ftr.
Underflow 04.17.15	Plenty of bands release horrid albums and continue to make music for years. I'm not sure where you're going with this argument. Also a successful album doesn't equal a good album.
froghawk 04.17.15	Rofl, seriously? Countless bands release awful records and manage to continue on. Countless bands also release horrible records and sell a ton of copies. It means nothing about the quality of said record.
Titan 04.17.15	i wont fault you for your ignorance when it comes to this band but i'll explain anyway at that point of their career, it was do or die or else they would've been dropped from their record label....final straw
froghawk 04.17.15	Yes, do or die meaning they needed to sell records or get dropped. Not 'needed to make a timeless classic or get dropped', because that's not how it works. Music is a business, quality has nothing to do with album sales or whether a band gets to stay on a label. Also, you do realize that bands are often able to continue on after getting dropped from their label, right? They just find a new label. This happens ALL THE TIME.
Underflow 04.17.15	The record labels don't care if the album is "at least pretty good." They only care that the album sells. Also, they could have just found another label or self-produced and promoted like the majority of bands did.
Titan 04.17.15	album sales equate to connecting with the masses from a business standpoint and that is exactly what they did. now if it was 'awful' like their previous record was considered to be, they would've been done. No one mentioned timeless classic here. that is exactly how it works
froghawk 04.17.15	'album sales equate to connecting with the masses from a business standpoint and that is exactly what they did.' Meaning that the marketing team did a good job of getting the record noticed, and the band managed to make something palatable enough that people would buy it. Go marketing team! Have you somehow missed the massive quantities of awful music that have connected with the masses and sold lots of records in pretty much every decade?
Titan 04.17.15	you guys clearly don't know the history of this band and what their intentions were when 2112 was released
Underflow 04.17.15	"album sales equate to connecting with the masses from a business standpoint and that is exactly what they did." Yes, but that doesn't mean the album is any good. "now if it was 'awful' like their previous record was considered to be, they would've been done." The quality of the record has nothing to do with sales. Marketing does.
froghawk 04.17.15	Titan, even if that were true, it wouldn't be relevant, seeing as neither of those things affect the quality of the album as a thing in itself. It's still an aimless cut&paste mess, and you haven't said one thing to refute that.
Titan 04.17.15	Rush had very little marketing lol. Rush 101: Beyond The Lighted Stage watch it and learn how important (and awesome) 2112 is (was)
smaugman 04.17.15	dayum son, 2112 is good, but the title track is way too split up great track nevertheless
froghawk 04.17.15	Look, you're committing a very basic logical fallacy here. Just because something was historically important does not mean it was well constructed, and on a very basic level, 2112 is not well constructed. It doesn't even work as a suite-style epic like Supper's Ready. History and circumstance can't do anything to change that.
Titan 04.17.15	Many disagree with you....thats my point!
Underflow 04.17.15	It really comes down to history having nothing to do with whether or not an album is good, just whether or not people are receptive to it.
froghawk 04.17.15	Music isn't entirely subjective, though. Certain musical elements are objective, such as how a song is structured, what the actual notes and rhythms are, etc. These things are not up for debate. 2112 does not have a large-scale structure. Whether that is acceptable is up to the listener's discretion, and that's where the opinions come in, but I don't think you can really make the argument that 2112 is constructed in any logical fashion. Structure is one of the most important and most neglected elements of prog composition, and I'd say 2112 negatively influenced a generation of musicians in that regard, leading them to think they can just piece a bunch of random stuff together and call it a song, then have a successful record on that basis. Hemispheres actually follows a thread and makes structural sense, so the band learned how to do it right later on - they just weren't there yet on 2112.
Titan 04.17.15	haha whatever man with that, i hope they play it in its entirety on R40
Torontonian 04.17.15	that beyond the lighted stage is like the best documentary ever tbh.
smaugman 04.17.15	After I watched that I felt much closer to the trio
Titan 04.17.15	'cut and paste mess' still cant wrap my hands around this.....
KILL 04.17.15	just cos it stops n starts rockin a lot doesnt mean its cut and paste it flows perfectly for the story bro listen to the lyrics it all makes sense i mean discovery is life changing and then due to it being so subdued presentation kicks in so hard you'll be guffin for yonks
demigod! 04.17.15	sweet list awesome profile pic rock on
Ryus 04.17.15	awesome profile pic [2] but rank all of them damn 1 is like 7th for me out of these, 3, 2, 5, 4, 1
smaugman 04.17.15	i got another list, ryus
Ryus 04.17.15	oh sweet didnt realize this was so old
guilouzzz 09.23.15	im gonna die
smaugman 09.23.15	and why is that?
smaugman 09.23.15	well I was only top 5, I could do a whole new list if u want me to