amp112: An Atheist Easter

ThroneOfAgony 04.07.12	sik
Trebor. 04.07.12	chocolate bunnies m/
climactic 04.07.12	secular easter is nearly as stupid as real easter
Bloodhail 04.07.12	i feel like half of athiests are athiests just to post about how much they hate christians on the internet
Hyperion1001 04.07.12	i hate everything
Bloodhail 04.07.12	^ very valid
Trebor. 04.07.12	and everyone
Bloodhail 04.07.12	misanthropy pure
climactic 04.07.12	real talk
tarkus 04.07.12	i hate christians on the internet
Ignimbrite 04.07.12	"i feel like half of athiests are athiests just to post about how much they hate christians on the internet" this
Trebor. 04.07.12	I didn't even know Easter was a religious holiday when I was a kid When I found out I was like what da fuck does a bunny have to do with jesus?
mxbrady 04.07.12	"Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics. You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded. Because the elements, the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars. And the only way they could get into your body is if the stars were kind enough to explode. So forget Jesus. The stars died so you could be here today." -Lawrence Krauss Science > Religion
MO 04.07.12	What clim said
Slum 04.07.12	oh look an atheist list let's copy and paste the same bullshit over and over
ILJ 04.07.12	Because it's completely impossible for Christians to be intelligent and have reason too.
Trebor. 04.07.12	That shit is true though, you can ignore it all you want but it's true
Misanthropist 04.07.12	"Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics. You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded. Because the elements, the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars. And the only way they could get into your body is if the stars were kind enough to explode. So forget Jesus. The stars died so you could be here today." That is possibly the most stupid thing I have ever read.
mxbrady 04.07.12	"That is possibly the most stupid thing I have ever read." Please, explain.
Trebor. 04.07.12	I guess scientists are the dumbest people on the planet
Misanthropist 04.07.12	Where did the stars come from?
ILJ 04.07.12	There sure are a lot of assumptions in here
Trebor. 04.07.12	The big bang
ILJ 04.07.12	Oh, inb4 300 comments by the way.
mxbrady 04.07.12	As I have no answer to that aside from the Big Bang, I'll counter with this question. Where did God come from?
Trebor. 04.07.12	There sure are a lot of assumptions in here lol, religion has the most assumptions of anything, the whole faith thing is based on assumptions
mxbrady 04.07.12	See, the difference between the scientific theory and Christian belief of the origin of the universe is this. Scientists are still trying to uncover and explain the unexplainable, while Christians simply accept doctrine to explain it.
tarkus 04.07.12	faith noun belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
ILJ 04.07.12	"lol, religion has the most assumptions of anything, the whole faith thing is based on assumptions" But everybody seems to assume that in order to be Christian, you have to disregard scientific evidence, when in fact, that's not true at all. I believe in God, but I also accept evolution as being true, and the whole star quote that was just posted. And I can also reason just fine. I'm tired of people assuming that if you're Christian you automatically don't believe in evolution and are unintelligent. It pisses me off man.
Misanthropist 04.07.12	Okay so believing that electrons, neutrons, and protons were just created out of thing air due to cooling is logical? God has always been he didn't come from anywhere.
jdennis31 04.07.12	'But everybody seems to assume that in order to be Christian, you have to disregard scientific evidence, when in fact, that's not true at all.' no qualms with you, but i don't understand this. to be a christian don't you have to follow the bible? and doesn't the bible state that god created the heavens and the earth and all the creatures on it?
jdennis31 04.07.12	it's like christians who say they accept gays even tho the bible condemns them
ILJ 04.07.12	"no qualms with you, but i don't understand this. to be a christian don't you have to follow the bible? and doesn't the bible state that god created the heavens and the earth and all the creatures on it?" There are a ridiculous number of denominations that all interpret the bible with different meanings. I refuse to follow the bible word for word, because some of the things in there are just preposterous. Like the Earth only being 6000 years old. Come on now, that's completely wrong. So no, I don't believe you have to follow the Bible word for word to be a Christian.
ITsHxCTOASTER 04.07.12	If Misanthropist isn't trolling he's a moron
climactic 04.07.12	yeah but iljajlm there are a lot of christian people who arent like you and accept EVERYTHING in the bible as truth (evangelicals). and that is extremely closed-minded and unintelligent
ILJ 04.07.12	yeah but iljajlm there are a lot of christian people who arent like you and accept EVERYTHING in the bible as truth (evangelicals). and that is extremely closed-minded and unintelligent I completely agree with you there. That usually means they lack that ability to abstractly think for themselves.
jdennis31 04.07.12	i don't want it to seem like i'm bashing or criticizing, asking out of pure curiosity. what makes you a christian then if your beliefs aren't based on the "christian doctrine" like wouldn't you just be a religious fella who believes in god?
Bloodhail 04.07.12	this thread is falling into place http://iggydonnelly.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/the-simpsons-mr-burns-excel1.jpg?w=500
Bloodhail 04.07.12	misanthropist you can't be a misanthropist and a Christian at the same time pick one
jdennis31 04.07.12	i mean being a christian basically means to be 'like christ' so since you don't take everything from the bible seriously, do you believe that jesus was the son of god, died for your sins on earth, and then rose 3 days later to ascend to the heavens? and if you don't believe any of that why would you want to be 'like christ'
jdennis31 04.07.12	lol bloodhail, i was gonna say the same thing but then remembered the bible says you have to hate the world in order to love god....
Acanthus 04.07.12	Nice list, some good artists here.
Maniac! 04.07.12	this is stupid everyone shut the fuck up
jdennis31 04.07.12	@maniac jesus loves you.
ILJ 04.07.12	"i don't want it to seem like i'm bashing or criticizing, asking out of pure curiosity. what makes you a christian then if your beliefs aren't based on the "christian doctrine" like wouldn't you just be a religious fella who believes in god?" I believe that he died for us. I believe that he was a good man and that people should follow his principles. I don't believe in the "he rose after three days" stuff, but I still believe that he was a good man. I think that when the bible was written, the things that actually happened were extremely skewed. And a lot of it is false.
amp112 04.07.12	The way I look at it is: Science does not have all the answers, at least not yet. We don't know everything and there are several estimations and assumptions that go into it. However, we use facts and observations to make assumptions and estimations and then TEST them to see if we're right. Giving up and saying a divine creature put us into existence is not a valid argument. At least science is trying. Religion just holds us back by saying "God did it" instead of "why are things this way?"
ITsHxCTOASTER 04.07.12	I am one angry bitch of an atheist and fuck you, all of you
jdennis31 04.07.12	@maniac but laura loves me. so i win
tarkus 04.07.12	lol rosa
Bloodhail 04.07.12	you also have to love your enemy, they can't truly be misanthropists if Christians were called by "The Great Commission," if they truly were misanthropists why would their main 'purpose' in their belief be to bring others to the religion, thus saving them from eternal suffering? Christians cannot be misanthropists by their doctrine's nature... I'm sure anything that sounds contrary is a call to hate sinful natures? idk
jdennis31 04.07.12	@ILJAJLM ahh i see, thanks for the reply, just curious about your thoughts on that
Acanthus 04.07.12	please leave this list, as they never get old
TMobotron 04.07.12	ILJAJLM trust me there are plenty of atheists out there that realize a lot of theists are smart (I know plenty who are probably smarter than me). There are also tons of pretentious asshats who like to tout their imagined superiority over theists. But when atheists attack Christianity they're most likely attacking the beliefs specific to that religion and not just religion in general (things like the bible, viewpoints on homosexuality, and transubstantiation). I think a lot of Christian viewpoints are a bit ridiculous, but theists who agree with scientific explanations like evolution and coming from stars and all that are (to me) much more reasonable. My question is, why identify yourself as a Christian and not simply a theist?
TMobotron 04.07.12	Sorry I should specify the new testament not the bible in general
jdennis31 04.07.12	'But when atheists attack Christianity they're most likely attacking the beliefs specific to that religion and not just religion in general' maybe the atheists you know specifically, for the most part the internet is full of 'you're an idiot for believing in space ghosts' type comments
jdennis31 04.07.12	and just to remain bipartisan, the internet is also full of 'i know because the bible tells me so' type comments
Trebor. 04.07.12	If you believe everything in the bible word for word then you are a retard, sorry The earth is not flat and is more than 6000 years old and evolution is fact
Acanthus 04.07.12	You could just leave? The discussion is going pretty well for the most part, and though futile it's fun to watch.
TMobotron 04.07.12	I mean tons of people act like that but when someone specifically refers to Christianity that's what I would think. And the reason so many people are opposed to theists in general (which is dumb) is because it's the people who think "I know because the bible tells me so" that are so much more vocal and stand out. I'm not saying it should be that way or that it's okay to generalize like that, just saying that's why it happens.
jdennis31 04.07.12	yea, i really don't see what would be a more worthy constructive conversation to have, other than about music specifically. religious discussion has been around for a long time and doubt it's going anywhere soon; though with the internet it might start dying off within this century
TMobotron 04.07.12	Does the bible say the earth is not flat? Not trying to imply that it doesn't, but I know the other 2 things are legitimate criticisms and wasn't sure about this one.
Trebor. 04.07.12	I'm not sure about that one, but everyone back then was convinced the Earth was flat
TMobotron 04.07.12	Err, that the earth IS flat I mean
jdennis31 04.07.12	@TMobotron 'that are so much more vocal and stand out.' maybe from what you've seen, but it seems to me that i now see more christians that are timid about spouting their religious beliefs for the fear of persecution (even tho they are on the internet and don't have to hear anything they don't want, and even though it's almost a mandate from jesus to spread your beliefs) that's the main reason why i even get into it with atheists even tho for the most part i agree with every thing they say.
Trebor. 04.07.12	The christians are spreading their ignorance Get out while you still can
Acanthus 04.07.12	It's a valid topic that weaves itself into many things, music included.
jdennis31 04.07.12	are there not like 100 other music threads going on right now rosa? this thread should be fairly easy to avoid
JayVex 04.07.12	Anybody who resents atheists or atheism is a fool.
Trebor. 04.07.12	I always wondered this could you help me out? Jesus is the son of god right? but like people use jesus as a synonym for god all the time, so like are they both god and they tag team that shit or what?
jdennis31 04.07.12	@trebor yea good luck getting an answer out of that. my mom got her masters in theology and i'd argue with her professors all the time and asked them that specific question. just non stop fumbling round the question and a bunch of hypotheticals
Trebor. 04.07.12	So is it not clear in the bible or what? And who is this holy ghost guy?
Acanthus 04.07.12	Triune god, or Trinity.
jdennis31 04.07.12	no, it's not clear at all. holy ghost is the guy that joins in when they want to fill all three holes
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	"I'm not sure about that one, but everyone back then was convinced the Earth was flat" Not exactly. Constantine and his Romies knew the world was a globe, it is also highly alike that certain monarchs and nobles knew the world wasn't flat. Obviously they never bothered telling the common folks.
Bloodhail 04.07.12	@trebor google christian trinity
Trebor. 04.07.12	And also why do people often associate things going wrong or addictions like gambling to satan, like he has god powers or something? And why do people hate satan anyway, he's just doing his job torturing bad people, it's god who put the people there in the first place
MoosechriS 04.07.12	Happy chocolate day everyone
guitarnater 04.07.12	Um, Trebor, the Bible actually referred to the Earth as a sphere in Genesis...which is the first book in case you didn't know.
climactic 04.07.12	"I always wondered this could you help me out? Jesus is the son of god right? but like people use jesus as a synonym for god all the time, so like are they both god and they tag team that shit or what?" jesus is supposed to be the son of god AND god in human form...or something... dont even try rationalizing it
Trebor. 04.07.12	my bad on that one then
guitarnater 04.07.12	Oh, and summary of the thread so far: christians r so dum, let's tlak about ohw dum there are.
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	The whole Satan & hell thing mostly developed in the medieval ages if I remember correctly when the popes went all "We're all sinners and we can ONLY HOPE for our souls to be rescued" and artists actively started to depict Satan & hell. But it (obviously) had a lot of influence/adapting from older religions. Like Satan basically being Pan. Also pretty sure that the Renaissance had a lot of influence in "giving Satan power" because of all that superstition they had going on back then.
jdennis31 04.07.12	@guitarnater are you sure it specifically translates to sphere? i used to study the hebrew bible to appease my madre and found that alot of the hebrew is either not translated correctly, or there is just no direct translation for the word
Trebor. 04.07.12	Well it's a globe anyway
guitarnater 04.07.12	It wasn't specifically sphere, but circle, yes. But if you want to believe that the Bible said that Earth was a flat and circular plane simply because the original language did not have a word for sphere, then have at it.
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	What the bible actually says and what a majority of people believe(d) is in conflict anyway.
jdennis31 04.07.12	misinterpreted a simple question risen out of curiosity; not a challenge to your post.
Trebor. 04.07.12	We have some real discussions going now, cool
guitarnater 04.07.12	That was more generalized, I see that you seemed a bit more open to what I had to say, jdennis, but I figured someone would try to jump at the opportunity to make a stupid point, so I did what I could to prevent it. Sorry for the confusion.
Trebor. 04.07.12	A probe is finally going to land on Ceres in 2015 discuss
jdennis31 04.07.12	what the hell is ceres. or will quit being lazy and google it first.
Trebor. 04.07.12	It's the dwarf planet in the asteroid belt
guitarnater 04.07.12	I call for a Sputnik Field Trip.
tarkus 04.07.12	sputnikcon 2012
Trebor. 04.07.12	If sputnik was a place it would have the best concerts
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	"sweet i want aliens" If there are/would be aliens I'd bet three fifths of my future belongings on it that they would be incredibly different from how we would imagine them (or most of our sci-fi stuff dictates).
Trebor. 04.07.12	Jupiter has 66 moons, that shit is going to take a while
Acanthus 04.07.12	Considering that alien life forms don't have to be intelligent it's likely the "aliens" could be a variation of our own local flora and fauna; I'm down with that.
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	Jupiter (and partly Jupiter's moons) also don't necessarily have the most friendly "environmental conditions" for probes/scientific machinery. @Acan: Yeah, that's also what I'd imagine to be most likely if it will be something on the "bigger scale".
jdennis31 04.07.12	so from my brief skimming on wikipedia, we are exploring the dwarf planet for signs for extraterrestrial life and not like resources or anything right?
guitarnater 04.07.12	I'll bring the chips and dip.
jdennis31 04.07.12	also, does anyone know if there are any plans in motion to terraform any places in space?
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	Oficially, we're veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery far from terraforming anything. Our means of travelling our solar system are actually incredibly "primitive."
Maniac! 04.07.12	lol
Trebor. 04.07.12	Star Trek II technology is pretty far off still :(
ridingchillwaves 04.07.12	This is a site for music. Also, An Atheist Easter? don't you just mean Sunday?
jdennis31 04.07.12	^go home, dick.
ridingchillwaves 04.07.12	also, read the Screwtape Letters.
jdennis31 04.07.12	and that sucks, would have been awesome to have the option to live on a terraformed planet in our lifetime. i remember hearing about some mission for astronauts to terraform mars but they would never return to earth. anyone know what happened with that?
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	"Star Trek II technology is pretty far off still :(" Star Trek like future would be beyond awesome. Sounds more like a rumor than anything else. I'm not really sure but I also believe to have heard/read that the US cut NASA funding so the whole space travelling thing doesn't look too well atm.
Trebor. 04.07.12	yeah the US has no maned space missions planned indefinitely
jdennis31 04.07.12	ahh, remember thinking it'd be awesome not to have to deal with people, but would also mean no new music, movies, etc... seems kind of depressing that i'm so attached to those, but i am.
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	So it's either gonna be Europe doing something (lol, probably not - especially with all that financial bullshit/conflict at hands and the general tendency to be bureaucratic as fuck) or Russia.
Trebor. 04.07.12	Private space travel is becoming a reality. So when the Earth goes to shit all of the rich people can fly to their own colony
jdennis31 04.07.12	and i guess this is what i was talking about. guess it's an idea that's generally accepted in the 'terraforming mars' community http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_to_Stay
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	"Private space travel is becoming a reality. So when the Earth goes to shit all of the rich people can fly to their own colony" Kinda makes me thing of some Syndicate-esque corporate controlled future. Ugh. Although that doesn't even seem that unrealistic.
jdennis31 04.07.12	seems like a cool idea for a movie...
Trebor. 04.07.12	Corporations always fuck up when it comes to space in movies Like the Alien series and Blade Runner etc
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	Well, Syndicate is game and I'm pretty sure that topic has been covered in some movies over the last years. (well, at least the futuristic corporation thing, not the corporate space travel thing)
Trebor. 04.07.12	I know Red Faction has something to do with Mars colonies and an evil corporation
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	Yeah, pretty much evil corporation occupies mars, is generally being a dick and people start rebelling and shit.
Trebor. 04.07.12	NASA has this completely soundproof room to prepare people for space, and apparently when you're in their your heartbeat gets super loud and it's the only thing you can hear and people start to hallucinate and lose their mind after only like 30 minutes in there
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	Sounds like fun. Although people generally don't seem to like being stuck in a room with nothing to do/bad conditions of being in there.
jdennis31 04.07.12	that sounds torturous.
Trebor. 04.07.12	Space is pretty scary When you are in your space suit out their all you hear is your breathing and your heartbeat
jdennis31 04.07.12	heartbeat thing is weird, but i guess if it's the only sound being made that makes sense. is NASA private or a government organization?
Trebor. 04.07.12	NASA is an agency of the United States government and are almost completely funded by the government
Wolfhorde 04.07.12	Well, I would guess you would also have radio contact. But space is not only "scary" but it's generally pretty bad for your body, e.g. the lacking gravity so your muscles start to "devolve".
Phantom 04.07.12	so...an atheaster?
SCREAMorphine 04.08.12	Pffft... Chocolateee
newjunkaesthetic93 04.08.12	I got totally wasted with a buddy of mine today and we had a long talk about religion. We were trashed though and ended up agreeing that if there is a god it was the rabbit eating grass in his yard.
Crymsonblaze 04.08.12	woo amp112 telling it like it is woooooo rage against that machine boy RAAAAAAAGE
Crymsonblaze 04.08.12	I have no real stance either way, but religious debates (or really just statements) on the internet are retarded. Also half of Slayer are religious, so your profile picture and part of your list (basically your whole existence): pretty stupid and pointless.
Recspecs 04.08.12	Fucking stupid list, I'm somewhat of an agnostic but I'm tired of this religious shit on Sputnik.
Deviant. 04.08.12	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IeNFr6e1hI
KILL 04.08.12	blocked gay but i bet its no CARLIN
Trebor. 04.08.12	Ireland has comedies? da fuck
KILL 04.08.12	huh
Trebor. 04.08.12	The link is of an Irish guy talking about how in Ireland they look for potatoes instead of eggs on easter
KILL 04.08.12	didnt know framkie boyle was irish damn, maybe he lives on the border
Recspecs 04.08.12	So in other words, it's snarky and sarcastic humor only Deviant and porch could appreciate?
Trebor. 04.08.12	Scottish whatever, I'm tired
KILL 04.08.12	I AM OFFENDED BY YOUR IGNORANCE
Trebor. 04.08.12	Dude I'm Scott/Irish, I'm offended at myself
Parallels 04.08.12	today i saw this girl getting mad in front of everyone because all the easter books started with "jesus died for our sins" lol
Trebor. 04.08.12	I never understood what that meant
Trebor. 04.08.12	yeah but what the fuck does that mean?
KILL 04.08.12	jesus lives
Wolfhorde 04.08.12	"yeah but what the fuck does that mean?" Us = impure, he = pure, he dies for us so we can be "pure" too or something like that - that's where confessions start banging their heads in anyway.