thunder15: Mediafire Is Dead

RecspecsAFC 04.02.12	Lol I know dude it's hard.
iFghtffyrdmns 04.02.12	perhaps try purchasing your music
Maniac! 04.02.12	4shared ftw
Graveyard 04.02.12	4shared sucks
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	why can't you torrent cus you live on campus? Also mediafire is very much still alive.
guitarnater 04.02.12	I have tried Mediafire successfully, it just takes a little extra searching to find what you need (assuming it's been uploaded more than once).
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	5 rules btw
sifFlammable 04.02.12	if it isnt /actually/ dead then stop freaking me out
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	I honestly haven't run into an album I can't find yet from mediafire
Hawks 04.02.12	Hey look another list about Mediafire being "dead" even though it's not. Didn't see that coming.
henryjohnson 04.02.12	oh look hawks being a faggot didnt see that coming
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	deleting cus mods will prob ban me if i post links
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Isohunt, Kickasstorrents, and Piratebay are about all I use. They have most albums on them but the REALLY underground stuff they might not. Im also wondering how some of you guys get that stuff cuz alot of good music I cant even find.
Ignimbrite 04.02.12	private trackers ftw
RecspecsAFC 04.02.12	megustaelposthc.blogspot.com Some decent stuff on here.
Dummit 04.02.12	i normally find my mediafire links through filestube.
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	^
Ovrot 04.02.12	Most mediafire links I find now are dead. Some exist but it's harder.
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	mediafire links aren't dead if you use filestube and manually copy and paste the link you find at the bottom of the screen in between mediafire and the site the file will still be there
Hawks 04.02.12	Fuck you Cone you fucking faggot motherfucker.
henryjohnson 04.02.12	calm down
thunder15 04.02.12	mediafire is still good for underground tunes n such, but I want both drake albums and I can't find them anywhere. for popular music it's basically dead
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	I have no idea how to use mediafire or filestube, as dumb as that may be. The only way I use mediafire is by typing "zip" after the band/album name in google. Other than that I have no idea what Im doing.
ILJ 04.02.12	It's not dead. Just because it isn't easy as "[band name] [album name] mediafire" search and clicking on the first link doesn't mean it's dead. I still have a rather high success rate with mediafire. Just look harder. God forbid we invest some effort and time looking for our free music right? Also: "Isohunt, Kickasstorrents, and Piratebay are about all I use." This nigga knows what's up.
ILJ 04.02.12	But yeah, just search whatever you're looking for with "mediafire" at the end of it. Click on the first filestube link that pops up. If you can't figure it out from there, you have a lot more problems than just difficulty finding music.
RecspecsAFC 04.02.12	I can't find a link to the Zombie EP. It's been kicking my ass.
KSK1 04.02.12	I haven't been able to find shit on mediafire lately. It sucks cause my favorite torrent site closed down a few months ago too. I usually just google "band - album zip" and I can usually find it.
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	It keeps saying "File Blocked for Violation" whenever I do that ILJAJLM.
rasputin 04.02.12	buy physical copies retards
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	Yankee read the previous posts people tell you how to get around it
Blackbelt54 04.02.12	2 and 3 rule. I do what you do or use filestube
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	yea we're so dumb for not wanting to spend 15$ for something we can get for free
spillingmercury 04.02.12	/mu/ got me mediafire links to Public Image Ltd, Joy Division, Boris and whatever so I mean, you just gotta look. Check forums and blogsites.
deathofasalesman 04.02.12	Put in the year the album is released. Or try to just put the initials of the artist and album like for 8 just put BB STL 2012 and you'll probably find it.
rasputin 04.02.12	'yea we're so dumb for not wanting to spend 15$ for something we can get for free' you're not dumb, just a parasite that any artist would rather not have listening to their music
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	if rappers brag in their music about committing crimes then why are they against us stealing music?
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	Frankly I don't care what Electric Wizard thinks of me as long as I get endless hours enjoying their music
purgatory3277 04.02.12	PIRATE BAY ALL THE WAY! they have everything from porn to video games. several times you can get a bands discography all in one download. first download utorrrent and the world is yours
BallsToTheWall 04.02.12	I've bought and lost over 300 cd's, I dont give a fuck anymore about buying cds unless it's something that inspires me to purchase it based on impulse.
rasputin 04.02.12	i hardly ever buy cds anymore either
ILJ 04.02.12	lol rasputin
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	never understood why people download porn when you can stream it hassle free
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	I hope mediafire really does die one day just so you dopes can 1) stop making these lists and 2) either start using your brains or give up and quit using the internet.
BallsToTheWall 04.02.12	lol downloading porn in this day and age.
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	I have every album I have ever considered listening to saved on my computer in zip format just in case.
BallsToTheWall 04.02.12	It's a real motherfucker to lose a cd you bought two or three times already.
manguyfeller 04.02.12	sad to see it go it was a good site
newjunkaesthetic93 04.02.12	There's a list exactly like this every week. Just making an observation, not an attack...
lucasjcockcroft 04.02.12	do frostwire, works perfect for me.
deathofasalesman 04.02.12	Record companies make all the money from CD sales unless they're an independent artist that distributes their own music. People get so touchy when really bands are only making money off of shows/appearances and merch.
IMZA1793 04.02.12	Utorrent
KSK1 04.02.12	That's true but record sales are what help smaller bands get better tours and better recordings. If the record company makes no money off the band, they aren't going to invest anymore into them.
deathofasalesman 04.02.12	But bands make no money from the album sales that's my point. Maybe like a small percentile but pretty much all their pay comes from shows/merch.
KSK1 04.02.12	Yeah that's definitely true. I haven't bought an album in a while but I usually buy them at the show. Never in my life will I ever pay for a digital download. Fuck that shit.
LiquidVelvet 04.02.12	if you have to ddl, filestube is what's up
rasputin 04.02.12	'But bands make no money from the album sales that's my point. Maybe like a small percentile but pretty much all their pay comes from shows/merch.' that's your excuse? Pretty much every DIY band makes money from album sales and if you download their album instead of buying their record you're still ripping them off.
AdamK 04.02.12	many bands are fine with you getting their music for free, and spreading it around to others for them to gain popularity. Smaller bands in genres that are popular here on sputnik (hardcore, emo, pop punk, to name a few) i don't think would be able to tour and make money from shows if it wasn't for the internet and the ability for a mass of people to get there music for free. Let's be honest how many 17, 18, 19, etc... year olds have the money to buy all the music that they want. I don't think anyone should have to not have an album and get their experience because of something like money.
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	if i bought every album I listened to it would amount to thousands of dollars that I don't have.
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	"something like money" LOL. People have become so delusional.
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	Yea man don't you know that grindcore bands are in it just to become millionaires?
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	What does that even have to do with anything? Lol.
AdamK 04.02.12	"LOL. People have become so delusional." what are you talking about? do you even know what I'm saying? I don't think money should stop people from enjoying music and you say I'm delusional for that I don't get it
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	"I don't think anyone should have to not have an album and get their experience because of something like money." Oh, I understood what you were saying. That was a delusional statement. The world does not operate in this way where everyone is entitled to all that they desire, free of charge.
alachlahol 04.02.12	funeralopolis you are a fuckin idiot man whether the band is trying to become wealthy through their music or not, they still need money to put together their next album someone needs to punch you in the face
AdamK 04.02.12	Obviously the world doesn't operate that way. Today everything revolves around money and it's sad how obsessed we have become with money and materialism. I don't believe and never said everyone is entitled to all that they desire free of charge but I would hope that something as pure and artistic as music wouldn't be placed in the same category as other things that we as America have to spend countless dollars for. To me it just doesn't seem right. Although there is money to be found in music I don't think it should be the main priority as a band or as a listener. And I don't think I'm delusional for thinking that
HitlerIsGod 04.02.12	found 2 with one attempt.
alachlahol 04.02.12	yo adamk start spending your money on more than just mcdonalds big macs bitch
alachlahol 04.02.12	gonna buy an album right now to show you how its really done
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	Alright, look. I'm not even gonna get into that last post you made. Just one more quote from the previous one: "many bands are fine with you getting their music for free" "Many" bands release their music online for free nowadays. If they are charging money for it, it is meant to be paid for. End of story. Don't even try to justify yourself.
AdamK 04.02.12	"Many" bands release their music online for free nowadays. If they are charging money for it, it is meant to be paid for. End of story. Don't even try to justify yourself. Actually in many cases bands put out CD's from a record company which of course have to charge but they really are fine with it because they understand the role the internet plays today and how the times have changed. You could say "it is meant to be paid for" just because it has a price tag on it but there is more to it than that.
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	You know how some bands don't sign record deals?
AdamK 04.02.12	Yes but most bands CD's are coming from a record label. Digital downloads can go either way but even then I just really don't think that bands are so angry at those who get their music and don't pay for it. A price tag can just be placed on it for those willing to pay and those who aren't paying can be spreading their music which has it's own non monetary benefit and also going to a show/buying merch
AdamK 04.02.12	more and more bands are turning to that whole "name your price" thing also
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	You know how many bands have gotten big today from the internet? Hundreds. Back in the day if a band didnt have a major record deal they wouldnt get any airtime on the radio and thus nobody would hear them. Nowadays bands left and right on indie labels are getting big from people listening to them on Youtube and/or downloading their shit for free. In turn people go watch their shows. I dont think theres ever been more bands going strong than today as far as touring goes. There seems like an endless amount of bands now thanks to the internet. So yea of course a band would prefer if everybody paid for their album, but thats not the way it is now and alot of bands would still be sending demos around if it wasnt for file sharing. You take file sharing away and many of the smaller bands drop out of sight because nobody wants to spend hundreds of dollars a month on music.
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	"A price tag can just be placed on it for those willing to pay" Lol, dude. Yeah, that CAN happen. For sure. But that's not the way it works. If it's meant to be a "name your price" thing, it would be a "name your price" thing. More and more bands are turning to that whole thing now! "You take file sharing away and many of the smaller bands drop out of sight because nobody wants to spend hundreds of dollars a month on music." No. You take file sharing away and the smaller bands will sell little to no records (as they do now) and only survive by touring (as they do now).
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Not really. People would not be able to listen to the albums. Also if file sharing got outlawed then Im sure Youtube will be even stricter too. So that hurts the smaller bands' exposure ten fold. Dont know whats so hard to get about this. File sharing and the internet has immensely helped bands that otherwise wouldnt be known at all.
AdamK 04.02.12	"Lol, dude. Yeah, that CAN happen. For sure. But that's not the way it works. If it's meant to be a "name your price" thing, it would be a "name your price" thing. More and more bands are turning to that whole thing now!" But that's pretty much the only way it can work with the internet. You can either agree or disagree with it but that's becoming the mindset of a lot of people nowadays.
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	Buddy, they would freely post their music online themselves if they are in need of exposure. The "smaller" bands do this now anyway. And AdamK, I am aware that it has become people's mindset. That's why I said "people have become so delusional" and didn't just specify you. I know a many think the way you do.
AdamK 04.02.12	i never even said that's the exact way I think I'm recognizing the way other people and artists can see it
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Like I said of course theyd rather people pay for it, and we still have that option, which is why most bands still just dont give their music away for free, but they know damn well its going to be pirated by the majority and they cant be that mad about it because more people are listening to them than if there was no file sharing. File sharing = more exposure. Its a fact jack.
AdamK 04.02.12	it's hard to tell what would happen exactly in these situations where there was no file sharing s oi wouldn't call either side delusional. Delusional would be like not believing in evolution....
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	"i never even said that's the exact way I think" Oh, okay. Cool because that would make you delusional. Lol, evolution. That's a horrible comparison. You aren't even making logical sense, Yankee. Saying they aren't that mad because "they know damn well its going to be pirated"... Uh, this wouldn't be an issue if there was no filesharing. Again, they can always post their stuff online themselves and get the mythical benefits of filesharing's exposure. No one's gonna stop that from happening.
AdamK 04.02.12	Actually it's a great comparison because we have hard evidence for evolution a lot of what we are talking about is speculation and/ or opinion
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	"hard evidence" Lol.
TMobotron 04.02.12	"that's your excuse? Pretty much every DIY band makes money from album sales and if you download their album instead of buying their record you're still ripping them off." I'm so much more willing to pay for an album when it's from a DIY band or a bandcamp where the price is name your own price and $0 is an option. I'll gladly toss a group/artist some cash for being cool ass dudes. When it's some big group on a big label then I don't feel guilty at all for downloading the album. If I like the band or artist I'll see them live. That's money that's way better spent for me, and the band (usually) earns more from it. Another thing that gets me to buy shit is giving me a real reason to own a physical copy. Sorry, a shitty jewel case with a bland booklet to go with a fucking CD is not enough anymore. It's like that whole issue with video games where companies like BioWare are banning people from single player who legitimately bought the game and a lot of the justification is that it's anti-piracy. But people who pirate it don't have to play it online and BioWare can't touch them. I think it was Gabe Newell from valve (though I could be wrong) who spoke on developers saying "you have to be able to compete with free" or something like that. Give me a fucking REASON to want to purchase your shit and I will. Album distributors can keep putting out their pathetic CDs with a shitty booklet for as long as they want, but when someone puts out an album whose physical copy actually holds some appeal THEN I will happily buy it. That being said, I still buy CDs/Digital copies/Vinyl of artists I really like and even some I don't occasionally. But labels are capable of getting fans to do this way more often if they would ever think to adapt to the situation today.
TenSecondsToThink 04.02.12	People that defend themselves for downloading music illegally are blowing my mind everytime. Nothing will make it ok to get something for free that people choose to sell. If you think that sharing music will actually help them that's nice, but it's their choice to sell it or not. PS: I haven't bought an album in several months, but you people are annoying the crap out of me.
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	My theory is simple. File sharing = more exposure for smaller time bands = more people show up to their gigs = more money for them than the pennies on the dollar they get from buying albums. So yea I dont think its as cut and dry as piracy = no money for bands = bad. Its not 1992 anymore. The internet and piracy has jump started many bands' careers and they know it. If piracy was outlawed then sites like this would lose its luster because we wouldnt be able to listen to most of the stuff we do now without buying it first. Even if a band posted their songs online for free anyway to "get the mythical exposure" it wouldnt be the same at all because it would be harder for people to even check them out. Theres no way a person would buy as much music as they download, which again hurts exposure. Many people on this site have over 200 GB of music. You think theyd have even 1/5 of that if they had to pay for it all? No. So the less music you have = the less exposure for the smaller bands. Its common sense.
TMobotron 04.02.12	@TenSecondsToThink: most people who pirate music also end up buying way more of it. When you isolate it to a specific case of one person downloading something they should be paying for, yeah it's wrong. And when I download something that is being sold I know I'm doing something that I'm technically not supposed to, but the fact that piracy allows me to be so involved in music in general leads to me spending WAY more than most people do on music.
AsoTamaki 04.02.12	Lol. You are killing me, man. "Even if a band posted their songs online for free anyway to "get the mythical exposure" it wouldnt be the same at all because it would be harder for people to even check them out." Are you serious, bro? Uh, how would it be harder? Because there would be a official link to go to and people wouldn't have to go running around making lists about not being able to find music with their weak googling skills? Right... "Theres no way a person would buy as much music as they download, which again hurts exposure. Many people on this site have over 200 GB of music. You think theyd have even 1/5 of that if they had to pay for it all? No." Lol, what. And? You think they've bought merchandise from 1/5 of these artists? No. What good is coming from this beneficial exposure for all these small time artists? "most people who pirate music also end up buying way more of it." Not really, man. Not at all. They end up LISTENING to way more of it. "yeah it's wrong" Correct.
qwe3 04.02.12	what is a cd
Tyrael 04.02.12	what.cd
qwe3 04.02.12	good site use it often although im scared theyll ban me soon cuz for some reason my client refuses to seed
ApplicationToHeaven 04.02.12	what client is that
faux 04.02.12	u ever hear of client confidentiality dumb ass
immortalizepain 04.02.12	use filestube or filetram, you can find alive links there esp. the first one. and it never hurts to purchase those ones you really love.
ApplicationToHeaven 04.02.12	yeah filestube is slightly confusing at first but it works pretty much all the time
jefflebowski 04.02.12	man, so many lame-ass excuses for illegal downloading, it's kinda pathetic
13themount 04.02.12	I am going to contribute my HO that you should buy the music that you want. Life was so much simpler when home taping was killing music and was not at all.
Deviant. 04.02.12	Terrible justifications itt "Many people on this site have over 200 GB of music. You think theyd have even 1/5 of that if they had to pay for it all? No." I've got roughly 440gb and I've payed for 90% of it. Sup
lobby 04.02.12	Never knew you could make such a reasonable living by just screwing sheep
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	LoL 440 GB. Thats just musical masturbation.
ReturnToRock 04.02.12	No it's not. I just downloaded stuff from there last night. :p
13themount 04.02.12	LoL 440 GB. Thats just musical masturbation. Agree with YankeeDudel - how much music do you need; How many years go by before you listen to a song again... ...and when do you find the time to watch p*rn?
Evreaia 04.02.12	Just use the mediafire link found on filestube. and BOOM, mediafire works again! Rejoice!
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Edit; nvm
rasputin 04.02.12	'My theory is simple. File sharing = more exposure for smaller time bands = more people show up to their gigs = more money for them than the pennies on the dollar they get from buying albums.' lol
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	LoL all you want but thats the truth baby. You dont think flie sharing has helped bands at all? Look around you. See how many bands are going strong today. They keep popping up left and right so how are they doing it? Indie labels are stronger than ever right now because of the internet. If we couldnt hear a band for free on Youtube then 3/4 of these bands wouldnt even get off the ground.
rasputin 04.02.12	and thus we wouldn't have a market oversatured in shit! it's ridiculous the lengths you quite obviously retarded and naive teenagers go to in defending file sharing. file sharing does make contributions in getting a band's music out there, but it is in no way a substitute for a buying a record and it's almost laughable that you're attempting to speak for all DIY bands in saying that file sharing is the only way for them to become more known, because that is a completely delusional point of view
rasputin 04.02.12	by oversatured, I mean oversaturated
MO 04.02.12	lol this thread but yea, buy your music support the artist fools
Tyrael 04.02.12	A few of the smaller bands I'm fan of actively promote their music by putting it on mediafire and trying to get everyone to download it... But yea I agree, buy that shit.
rasputin 04.02.12	dont even know im bothering, it's like trying to convince al-qaeda that strapping bombs to prams is actually NOT the right thing to do im outy
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	And why do you think that is Tyrael? Because otherwise nobody would hear one fuckin note of them. Why do you guys think rappers make mixtapes and give them away for free? Because they want to build up a fanbase and get signed. Thats how its done now. If you want to buy the album go ahead, but dont act like piracy doesnt have some positives.
Katechon 04.02.12	Holy fuck this thread scared the shit out of me for a second.
KILL 04.02.12	i'd buy albums if i could afford it yea suck my dick
omnipanzer 04.02.12	"LoL 440 GB. Thats just musical masturbation. " Audiofile storing FLAC 440Gb is not hard to hit.
MO 04.02.12	I hate massive FLAC files
SlowlyFallingAwake 04.02.12	Got to admit, it is harder to find decent music sometimes on Filestube but that's the way I look for it as well. I don't see any other good way. Torrents are really not my thing. As far as free downloading is concerned, I'm kind of disgusted with people dl'ing everything for free. Alright, I admit, I too download for free. But when I appreciate an album I still go out and buy it. And if it weren't for my friends with no taste in music, I'd probably go to shows every month. I spend a lot of money on CDs. I have no regrets. Even if the record companies profit from it, I know the artist at least gets some support from me and that's all that matters. The art work, the feel of a physical copy and the countless moments listening to superb quality music are all that matters to me. As mentioned above, people who expect to get everything for free are spoilt brats. Sorry for my language, but sadly, that's just reality. Cope with it. Things cost a lot of money these days and it doesn't look like this'll improve in any way anytime soon. Trying to profit from the system by not giving a buck isn't a solution. Mind, I am anti-capitalism. I do not buy iPads or other things I generally don't need, although I made an exception for my iPod (which has lasted over 6 years so far) and drawing tablet (bc it's what love to do best). CDs are a notable exception as well. Although I think it's bullshit people are starting to throw down sites like Rapidshare and blocking videos on Youtube bc of copyrights. It's obvious artists profit from recognition they get online, so why would you block it? Ugh, just doesn't make any sense. FLAC can be a good thing, though why would anyone only download FLAC? 320 kbps MP3 all the way.
Katechon 04.02.12	Fuck you, what's wrong with wanting all my music for free?
MO 04.02.12	leeches
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	download and listen buy what you can man that was hard
shanshanson 04.02.12	We've reached the stage where lecturing people on what leeches they are and sucking your own dick because you buy music is rather pointless. File sharing is here to stay, along with all the negative and positive consequences that it entails
Katechon 04.02.12	I also pirate all the movies I watch and the videogames I play.
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Im a regular Jack fuckin Sparrow.
MO 04.02.12	wow talk about taking a free ride damn
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Come on and take a freeee rideeeeee. YEA YEA YEA YEA YEAAAAAA!
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	Surprised to see people so opposed to piracy. There was barely any underground scene in the UK for decades. Bands that would play to large audiences around the world - Darkest Hour, Shai Hulud - would play to empty pubs, because buying their music would mean a journey - often hours long - to a city that sold their shit. To build any kind of collection would have cost thousands of pounds, and a desire to search out underground music. Even English bands - Million Dead for one - would get small deals, and a career that would limp on for a few years, again spent in empty pubs for the most part. Then they'd become graphic designers, office monkeys, or painters and decorators. Without the kind of massive exposure possible through the free exchange of music, there is no way Frank Turner would now be playing Wembley, no way that Your Demise would be enjoying a successful UK career. People across the country would be listening to the same shit fed to them by the minimal group of men that decided which bands were worth the financial risk. It's unethical to steal someone's shit, but listening to someone's work, and becoming a contributing fan is a resoundingly positive step forward from the bleak days of music as pure industry. I've lost count of the amount of bands I've seen or read interviews from, who've said quite cheerfully they don't give a fuck about piracy. Just buy a shirt, a gig ticket, maybe a vinyl from the show, and already you've created the possibility of vibrant and living scene.
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	THATS WHAT I BEEN SAYIN MENG. Too many high and mighty old farts in here.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	And comparing piracy to suicide bombing is so laughably grotesque it's insane. You might just as well compare rape with shoplifting. Ridiculous.
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	but i run my own diy band and people all over the world pirate our music but we arent getting bigger HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT HUH?
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	You just must suck ass.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	I'm not suggesting piracy is a fast-track to success for everyone, just that it opens possibility of exposure, whereas before, at least in countries other than America, there was almost none. Maybe write more popular songs and get more popular, or get a band member with nice tits?
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	no i know we are good because i am in it its just people are leechers and dont want to support stuff cause they can get it for free we deserve better fans
BallsToTheWall 04.02.12	God doesn't care about pirates.
Gmork89 04.02.12	I like to collect memorabilia so I buy a lot of that. I keep a pretty good balance between downloading when I'm strapped for cash, using spotify premium, and buying physical Cd's/vinyl and using Itunes. You can find a good balance without going broke or being a complete cheapskate.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	Every time anyone ever made a mixtape they broke the law and pirated. James Blunt, rasputin and Gene Simmons think they should all be killed, it seems.
jefflebowski 04.02.12	it's very nice to say how we're supporting bands and giving them exposure by illegally downloading, but be honest, that's not why people do it. it's because we're stingy bastards and don't want to pay for something
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	intellectual property rights bro my chords your money
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	How very DIY of you.
Damus 04.02.12	what.cd
downxbeat 04.02.12	i download all my shit from itleaked, thedailymosh, and ilikedyoubetterdead. typically i download an album and when i grow really fond of it, i buy it.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	You've killed music, robbed musicians and are morally equal to the murdering lunatics that strap bombs to prams, according to some itt.
rasputin 04.02.12	'There was barely any underground scene in the UK for decades.' lol, um yes there was 'And comparing piracy to suicide bombing is so laughably grotesque it's insane. You might just as well compare rape with shoplifting. Ridiculous.' lol way to miss the point. was not comparing the act of piracy to suicide bombing at all. read it again anyway, most of you guys are retarded. i download music yet it seems that i'm seen as a fascist when i call out people who have the mentality of 'WHY PAY WEN I CAN GET FOR FREE?' it's pathetic
rasputin 04.02.12	'You've killed music, robbed musicians and are morally equal to the murdering lunatics that strap bombs to prams, according to some itt.' lol, comprehension skills
qwe3 04.02.12	"Maybe write more popular songs and get more popular, or get a band member with nice tits?" i like one of those options except maybe get 2
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	I have a friend who won't steal music because stealing is a sin
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	the problem is most of us dont think that way almost everyone i know who downloads regularly and listens to these underground artists do actually go out of their way to support the bands and acts they like someone who never had the intention of buying in the first place isnt a potential supporter, so its not really a loss in revenue
ApplicationToHeaven 04.02.12	itt misunderstanding of analogies edit: lol that was meant to be about 6 comments earlier
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	'There was barely any underground scene in the UK for decades.' lol, um yes there was" No, there wasn't. UK hardcore, metalcore, metal and punk couldn't get a foothold because it wasn't deemed financially viable. There was zero exposure anywhere, except for the very, very few people who worked in indie record stores. I lived in a town with a population of 70,000 people. The nearest indie record shop was an hour train ride away, and the prices were extortionate. That's why even the most popular underground bands spent their careers playing to almost empty rooms. "lol way to miss the point. was not comparing the act of piracy to suicide bombing at all. read it again" I wasn't suggesting in any serious way that you equated the two things. I wasn't seriously suggesting the DIY punk guy should get a band member with nice tits. Or maybe it's my comprahenshun skills i dunno.
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	and i wasnt actually serious about having a band just in case thats not clear yet
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	You mean you don't own chords? Maybe the things people say aren't always exactly literal. My god.
jefflebowski 04.02.12	'someone who never had the intention of buying in the first place isnt a potential supporter, so its not really a loss in revenue' and someone who illegally downloads an album might have bought it if they hadn't been able to get it for free, so it is really a loss in revenue
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	oh i OWN chords dont you worry
Maniac! 04.02.12	oh boy, this thread
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	Hopefully not D minor, I love that shit
clercqie 04.02.12	"and someone who illegally downloads an album might have bought it if they hadn't been able to get it for free, so it is really a loss in revenue" But not really
rasputin 04.02.12	'No, there wasn't.' Yes there was. lern2music. 'I wasn't suggesting in any serious way that you equated the two things.' lol yes you were, that's exactly what you did. because you didn't read the sentence carefully due to being mad and having to put down your cool drink and type a self-righteous response with your pudgy fingers
jefflebowski 04.02.12	it's all about the dominant 9sus4ths man. shit is jazzy
jefflebowski 04.02.12	'But not really' -how loquacious of you, but i've done that myself loads of times
Emim 04.02.12	"if rappers brag in their music about committing crimes then why are they against us stealing music?" Philosoraptor
clercqie 04.02.12	Look I'm not defending piracy and I try to buy as much music as I can, but the whole argument of "They would've payed for it otherwise" is total bs.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	What experience did you have of the underground music scene in England during the 90s? I'd love to know. You compared the argument for and against music piracy to the argument for and against suicide bombing, through implication drawing a comparison to the ethical severity of each action. I don't feel any emotion about that beyond slight disgust.
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	cant we all just smoke a j and chill?
DotEight 04.02.12	"Cause I'm at school" It's called a proxy. Look it up.
MO 04.02.12	seriously
ApplicationToHeaven 04.02.12	are you being stupid on purpose?
rasputin 04.02.12	'What experience did you have of the underground music scene in England during the 90s? I'd love to know.' I have more knowledge about the underground scene in England during the 80s, 90s, 00s and 10's than you ever will. 'You compared the argument for and against music piracy to the argument for and against suicide bombing, through implication drawing a comparison to the ethical severity of each action. I don't feel any emotion about that beyond slight disgust.' roflmao. what a surprise, no that's not actually what i did. let me spell it out for you in a way that a grade 6 english student might understand. I said that trying to explain to you dipshits that buying a band's record is supporting them is like trying to tell al-qaeda that putting bombs in prams is the wrong thing to do i.e. it's like telling a brick wall to do the tango holy shit is there anyone left on this site without the IQ of a fucking desk
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	it will all be ok i promise
rasputin 04.02.12	it's actually pretty funny, because the comment itself is commenting on the situation that arose due to my making the comment in the first place
Maniac! 04.02.12	SHIT'S GETTIN SERIOUS NOW
DotEight 04.02.12	Lol @ people preaching anti-piracy. It's 2012, shut the fuck up.
Emim 04.02.12	lol wtf is prams is that british
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Nobody ever said that buying an album was a bad thing. That option is still there. We're talking about the positives of piracy, aka the reality of the situation right now. Rasputin you still cant explain to me why theres so many more bands in the landscape now than there was 15 years ago. Its not even close considering what the internet has done for these bands. If there wasnt file sharing then nobody would even hear of these bands in the first place to even buy their shit. In the end it evens out at least.
rasputin 04.02.12	'through implication drawing a comparison to the ethical severity of each action' keep laughing at this
DotEight 04.02.12	And it's not just obscure bands - NO ONE is buying hard copy CD's anymore. Artists who used to sell 15 million copies of a CD are lucky to break 500k now.
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	yankee you are like 12 you werent even alive for the 90's
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	And yes file sharing includes Youtube. You know users uploading songs themselves. I think every band will agree that Youtube is a revelation for them.
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Im actually 9 and a half.
Emim 04.02.12	i still buy plenty of cds most of them are used so they don't really relate to this argument, BUT W/EVR
rasputin 04.02.12	'Nobody ever said that buying an album was a bad thing. That option is still there.' You (plural not singular) implied it was unnecessary. that's bad enough. 'We're talking about the positives of piracy, aka the reality of the situation right now.' no we're not, we're talking about turds who download a discography and automatically become a 'fan'. inb4 'urh hurh hurh rasputin u r n elitist' 'Rasputin you still cant explain to me why theres so many more bands in the landscape now than there was 15 years ago.' yes i can. i have chosen not to because that has not been relevant to anything i'm saying 'Its not even close considering what the internet has done for these bands. If there wasnt file sharing then nobody would even hear of these bands in the first place to even buy their shit. In the end it evens out at least.' true to an extent, but again, irrelevant. going by your logic here, filesharing makes a band popular, so now you know about them. do you still buy the records? no.
rasputin 04.02.12	'lol wtf is prams is that british' lol that is english my good sir, better get used to it
jefflebowski 04.02.12	'Look I'm not defending piracy and I try to buy as much music as I can, but the whole argument of "They would've payed for it otherwise" is total bs' how else would they get the music? why do you think record sales have fallen drastically compared to previous decades?
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	No but that band will sell out on the road. There are hundreds of bands on indie labels now that can easily draw big crowds thanks to file sharing. Why are you ignoring that fact?
Hyperion1001 04.02.12	im gonna go masturbate and play some l4d i look forward to reading this upon my return
rasputin 04.02.12	I'm not ignoring it, I'm just not bringing it up because it is I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T one more time I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T
Emim 04.02.12	"lol that is english my good sir, better get used to it' we fought our independence so as not to use your words
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	"I have more knowledge about the underground scene in England during the 80s, 90s, 00s and 10's than you ever will." I am sure you do. And you believe what, that the underground scene (beyond the dance/rave culture of the pre-00s) was alive and well? My knowledge is limited to the bands I supported and traveled around the country to see - Converge, Shai Hulud, Darkest Hour, etc - the members of English bands that ran distros, the indie record stores I frequented and spent most of my finance in. You seem oddly unable to understand the idea of implication. If I suggest that trying to make you consider your position more carefully is like trying to make a rapist consider his position toward women's rights, I'm not saying you're a rapist, that your arguments make you as ethically suspect as a rapist. What I'm implying is something quite different. I'm about to walk away with a first class honours degree in literature, I can only apologize if my intellect does not meet your standards, chap.
YankeeDudel 04.02.12	Its very relevant. You keep acting like these bands are eating out of dumpsters because people arent buying their shit. Im telling you they're making it up on the road and playing in front of more people than they could ever imagine than if there was no piracy.
jefflebowski 04.02.12	i'm sensing an intellectual dick-waving contest fast approaching
rasputin 04.02.12	'the underground scene' 'Converge, Shai Hulud, Darkest Hour' lol 'You seem oddly unable to understand the idea of implication. If I suggest that trying to make you consider your position more carefully is like trying to make a rapist consider his position toward women's rights, I'm not saying you're a rapist, that your arguments make you as ethically suspect as a rapist. What I'm implying is something quite different. I'm about to walk away with a first class honours degree in literature, I can only apologize if my intellect does not meet your standards, chap.' it's pretty funny that you're trying to act like you've understood what I've said yet are still unable to admit that a) you're wrong, and b) that my analogy makes zero ethical or moral implications. unlike you however, I won't rattle off my own qualifications so you won't be even more belittled.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	My dick is the most intellectual of them all. It has a monocle.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	Sigh. Are you suggesting that Converge and Darkest Hour were mainstream in England ten years ago? If you are they your knowledge of the scene here is fucked, mate. Their rise in popularity is due entirely to the exposure they receive through piracy. The first time I saw DH was in a pub, and the crowd was me and my friends. That was on the Hidden Hands tour. The last time I saw them, they were headlining a tent at a festival. Get your facts straight. Edit: didn't see your little rant below that bit lol. You did indeed imply what I refer to, all because your ultra-conservative stance upon the subject of music piracy can't actually withstand any kind of critical analysis.
jefflebowski 04.02.12	i tried to grow a handlebar mustache on the end of mine, it didn't end well
rasputin 04.02.12	'Sigh. Are you suggesting that Converge and Darkest Hour were mainstream in England ten years ago? If you are they your knowledge of the scene here is fucked, mate. Their rise in popularity is due entirely to the exposure they receive through piracy. The first time I saw DH was in a pub, and the crowd was me and my friends. That was on the Hidden Hands tour. The last time I saw them, they were headlining a tent at a festival. Get your facts straight.' lol i just skimmed through your ratings. not a single record on there that could be considered 'underground' in any sense of the word the simple fact that you or anyone knew about converge in england in the 90s suggests that they weren't underground
jefflebowski 04.02.12	everyone knows the only trve underground bands are the ones that don't exist yet
rasputin 04.02.12	and saying that you have knowledge of underground music in general because you followed a couple of bands who were small for a very short period of time before becoming relatively well-known is laughable
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	Wtf. How do you define underground, a band only known to the members? When a scene in a population of millions consists of hundreds of people, I'd say it's underground.
Inveigh 04.02.12	I'm a proponent of buying music myself, although I do d/l a lot of it first. My question is, how do those who are anti-pirating feel about the purchase of used CDs from record stores or sites like Amazon.com? The artists see no money from that, and it's basically just a primitive form of file sharing.
ConsiderPhlebas 04.02.12	I don't claim to be the knower of all things underground, just that I had some experience and some opinions born of that experience.
Jamper 04.02.12	filestube.com
rasputin 04.02.12	'Wtf. How do you define underground, a band only known to the members? When a scene in a population of millions consists of hundreds of people, I'd say it's underground.' I don't define it as anything, I'm merely telling you that you don't know what you're talking about. 'I'm a proponent of buying music myself, although I do d/l a lot of it first. My question is, how do those who are anti-pirating feel about the purchase of used CDs from record stores or sites like Amazon.com? ' someone who was anti-pirating probably wouldn't worry too much about it IMO, seeing as that copy has already been paid for - it's sort of like letting a friend have a CD you don't want anymore. but then again, I'm not an anti-piracy advocate so I can't be sure 'i dl'd this band granmoter the other day and they SUCKED' nah u didnt no free downlodz lol
Funeralopolis 04.02.12	Yea the cd when bought already cover costs you are just getting extra cash by having someone buy it again. I don't remember the details but economics 101 taught me that is just how that kind of product functions in the economy with graphs and stuff.
rasputin 04.02.12	lol riffz u culdnt do PE, PE doesnt have any riffz anyway, just to end this thread in a timely fashion, my band just finished our first recording and we're releasing it in a run of 60 copies, 30 each on tape and cdr. we're releasing that amount because we can't afford to release more. we're streaming the whole thing for free, but with digital downloads for a small fee. we hope to sell all of our copies and thus have not made it available to download. we would like to sell all of our copies in the month or so leading up to us starting to play some shows. i would much rather someone pay a relatively small sum for a tape than sit on his computer and download the album and consider himself a 'fan' of ours
rasputin 04.02.12	and before anyone says WHAT IF I CANT AFFORD A TAPE too fucking bad. streaming/samples etc. will have to do
MO 04.02.12	i'll get a tape, i dug the 1 minute tune you put up here, support the cause!
Inveigh 04.02.12	"someone who was anti-pirating probably wouldn't worry too much about it IMO, seeing as that copy has already been paid for - it's sort of like letting a friend have a CD you don't want anymore. but then again, I'm not an anti-piracy advocate so I can't be sure" right, but the original buyer could just load the music onto their computer, then sell the cd. Next person does the same thing, and over and over again. Before you know it there might be 20 people who "own" the album (digitally at least), while the artist was only paid for 1 copy. It's the same copy as file sharing, right?
Inveigh 04.02.12	*same concept
AngelofDeath 04.02.12	lol buying taps of sum shity ausie ponk band
rasputin 04.02.12	'i'll get a tape, i dug the 1 minute tune you put up here, support the cause!' the whole thing is streaming now - grandmotherband.bandcamp.com 'right, but the original buyer could just load the music onto their computer, then sell the cd. Next person does the same thing, and over and over again. Before you know it there might be 20 people who "own" the album (digitally at least), while the artist was only paid for 1 copy. It's the same copy as file sharing, right?' yeah that's true. the only difference i guess is that process is much slower and isn't really done with the purpose of offering possibly hundreds or thousands of people simultaneous access
rasputin 04.02.12	aussie pork
jefflebowski 04.02.12	'right, but the original buyer could just load the music onto their computer, then sell the cd. Next person does the same thing, and over and over again. Before you know it there might be 20 people who "own" the album (digitally at least), while the artist was only paid for 1 copy. It's the same copy as file sharing, right?' -I think it's the scale of the operation that matters here. Sure, like you say, 20 people might end up not giving any money to the artist at all. on the other hand, if you upload the album you just bought to a torrent site or whatever, hundreds of thousands of people would end up doing the same thing as with the CD's
fsupride 04.02.12	too lazy to read through all 200 comments, but so many new albums have been taken off from mediafire, a lot more then there used to be.
AngelofDeath 04.02.12	I only want your Aussie pork, B.
Deviant. 04.03.12	"LoL 440 GB. Thats just musical masturbation. Agree with YankeeDudel - how much music do you need; How many years go by before you listen to a song again..." Why is the first reaction this to assume that this collection has somehow been amassed in the last few weeks or something similar? holy shit is there anyone left on this site without the IQ of a fucking desk[2]
AsoTamaki 04.03.12	That's still an insane amount even if you started archiving your collection 10 years ago. Some of that is lossless, right?
Deviant. 04.03.12	Some, but honestly not a lot
none 04.03.12	"holy shit is there anyone left on this site without the IQ of a fucking desk[2]" there wasn't a lot 2 start with
Hyperion1001 04.03.12	case and point
none 04.03.12	oh hey someguest
Hyperion1001 04.03.12	crossed the line bro not cool
OysterizerInsomniac 04.03.12	filestube, the direct mediafire links from there don't work for me for some reason but when I just copy and paste the url then they usually work. So mediafire's not totally dead.
Deviant. 04.03.12	Mediafire is still going strong, really don't see what everyone is getting their panties in a twist over
Hyperion1001 04.03.12	^ yep, just dont name ur shit like "NEW WEEKEND MIXTAPE DOWNLOAD HERE FOR FREE" and youre all good they basically did the purge to appease the powers at hand so they would lay off
Emim 04.03.12	"and before anyone says WHAT IF I CANT AFFORD A TAPE too fucking bad. streaming/samples etc. will have to do" thought tapes died 18 years ago when they were supposed to
BlueW 04.03.12	soulseek
rasputin 04.03.12	'thought tapes died 18 years ago when they were supposed to' u r a tru musik fan
Tyrael 04.03.12	still going at it eh rasp?
rasputin 04.03.12	the userbase is an endless torrent of stupidity and posturing, how could I not
Maniac! 04.03.12	Rasputin thinks I'm dumb :[
AngelofDeath 04.03.12	You just mad 'cause you weren't alive during the heyday of tape trading.
Jethro42 04.03.12	I were
clercqie 04.03.12	"the userbase is an endless torrent of stupidity and posturing, how could I not" Then don't post, instead of constantly bitching about it.
Jethro42 04.03.12	liked the profile pic
Tyrael 04.03.12	'the userbase is an endless torrent of stupidity and posturing, how could I not' you're truly the white knight of the internet
MO 04.03.12	"oh hey someguest" lol'ed
rasputin 04.03.12	'Then don't post, instead of constantly bitching about it.' fairly certain pointing out a retarded comment/opinion when it has been thrust upon me hardly constitutes 'bitching'
Gmork89 04.03.12	"the userbase is an endless torrent of stupidity and posturing" [2]
someguest 04.03.12	quit being a dick and buy some music
jefflebowski 04.03.12	'quoting someone else with meaningless brackets added because i have nothing constructive to add to the discussion' [3]
Gmork89 04.03.12	It would have been meaningless if you didn't just prove it true.
jefflebowski 04.03.12	how elliptical of you
HitlerIsGod 04.03.12	lol this thread
thunder15 04.09.12	yikes this blew up