julien: How Can You Listen To Metal?

julien 03.24.12	And if you're going to post, don't be a dick/troll/dicktroll, let's be respectful. I'll promise to do the same. (maybe).
Shuyin 03.24.12	2deep4u
Hawks 03.24.12	What. A. Faggot.
evilford 03.24.12	how can you not listen to metal?
julien 03.24.12	it's not like i haven't tried, i've spent time trying to get into it. and the fact that none of you can really describe why it's so appealing is a bit sad.
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	faggot
KSK1 03.24.12	Because opinions. I personally fucking hate most punk music.
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	it works in the same aesthetic as any other genre but has better instrumentation and can have darker topics or abrasive atmosphere what is not to get?
Hawks 03.24.12	There's not much to explain. You either like it or you don't. And if you don't, that also means you must love the cock.
MoosechriS 03.24.12	There's not much to explain. You either like it or you don't [2]
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	yea y u gotta do that bad
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	I don't think it is as simple as you either like it or don't . Like any genre you need gateway music to get into to ease you into the sound. I dunno maybe try some a day to remember or in flames or something.
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	yea folk punk is pretty butts
evilford 03.24.12	it's just like anything...it's taste. why do you like waffles for breakfast when I like pancakes and Riff likes omelettes? you like what you like. if you like it, you like it. if you don't, you don't. no one needs to justify why they like a certain kind of music.
MunsuLight 03.24.12	Julien, what is so appealing about some type of metal is the riffs for sure(like in rock), the general ambiance being melodic,angry or whatever they want to sound, the chorus like in every music style(except in harsh vocals music)(you can't dislike Iron Maiden chorus), the general energy of the music(for a punky guy you should be able to understand), etc , etc . I just don't know how to explain it... I love it was my first love in the musical departement, but to these days, I'm pretty much open-minded to everything.
Eclecticist 03.24.12	I actually get into this argument all of the time with my friends because none of them are into metal. It absolutely astounds me because when I meet their friends at parties at least one of them is a metalhead too. So my counter question is, while so many people in our western society genuinely appreciate metal how can someone like yourself not? From what my friends have told me the answer I usually get it that they have absolutely no idea what it is like to appreciate music as art rather than just culture and so they find it difficult to distance themselves from an album and appreciate it for what it is rather than absorbing themselves in it and becoming part of the music.
julien 03.24.12	Like any genre you need gateway music to get into to ease you into the sound. @Funeralopolis Yes thanks for not being an ass, I will do that
thumbcrusher 03.24.12	because i like the sound of it
KILL 03.24.12	lol
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	i called you gay like 3 times but your welcome lol
julien 03.24.12	@Eclecticist I completely understand that, and it makes sense. But at the same time, I feel like I should be able to listen to albums from any genre that are considered great and appreciate them as someone who loves music. But with metal, I can't seem to do that.
evilford 03.24.12	lmao
evilford 03.24.12	there is no such thing as an objective argument to justify taste. you're not gonna find that. I like metal because it's cathartic, I enjoy heavy music, it kicks balls, riffs are cool, and some groups get the song/albumwriting aspect right and it's awesome/epic when that happens in conjunction with the m/. the list goes on. idk if that answers your question. There are albums with crossover appeal. sometimes those get to a lot of people and get them into metal?....idk
Shuyin 03.24.12	whoa RiffOClock relentless troll mode, ON
Dreamflight 03.24.12	Angry music he says... For starters I'd try to approach a music style that I know shit about it, with an open mind.
Adabelle 03.24.12	Idk but I like some bands, I'm just beginning to get into it..
evilford 03.24.12	maybe try some jazz fusion DM like Death or Atheist
Ending 03.24.12	Metal is a style of music that I enjoy because of its variety in styles. Although it is usually, within its own styles, a shameless rehashing of better bands in the genre. Like how every good melodic death metal band that goes for a "heavier" sound tends to have an uncanny resemblance to At The Gates. But subgenres like doom metal or power metal are totally different in their stylistic presentation from that of say black metal. It's a matter of accepting it for what it is. What you like about punk shouldn't be what you're necessarily looking for in metal. It's a different genre, and needs to be treated as such. Don't force yourself to like or even necessarily appreciate it. Just don't expect everybody to agree with you or convince you otherwise, which you don't seem to.
Dreamflight 03.24.12	Pretty much that everything Ended wrote.
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	most death metal and black metal do indeed suck, but the more awesome genres kickass.
ChuckyTruant 03.24.12	You listen to folk punk - that is the reason And this was probs a bad idea seeing as 95% of ppl on here live and breathe metal
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Whatever you do do not listen to Demilich. Ill give em credit as I didnt know 4 frogs could play any instruments at all, but I choose humans.
turnip90210 03.24.12	Metal's a very broad music pool, capable of covering a wide stylistic range and dealing with varying subject matter. Quite frankly, I dislike most of it. However, I found my preferred subgenre of choice to be death/doom metal, which livens up the suffocating atmosphere with a little sheer vitriol without degenerating into perpetual tremolo galloping. And that's only one of many, many options. Perhaps what you're looking for is hidden under the crust of the more established bands and styles? Also, as you're coming from a punk background, you could try easing your transition with bands like Disembodied.
fr33convict 03.24.12	I like the release it gives. I also like how it doesn't box itself off in it's own genre and typically is free to transition wherever it wants (whether it be folk, pop, and br00tal deathcore all in one song) and as a modern guitarist it appeals to me more than anything else except jazz. I also left a post in your shoutbox with some good places to start if you wanna try to get more into it.
Hawks 03.24.12	Yankee shut the fuck up.
MoosechriS 03.24.12	And this was probs a bad idea seeing as 95% of ppl on here live and breathe metal fucking yes M/
Eclecticist 03.24.12	@julien as someone who is studying neuropsychology please take this piece of advice from me Spend some serious time with an expert on the genre. All you meed is a patient mentor and some free time. This is a psychological thing not biological and the beautiful thing about the human mind is that it is malleable and able to adapt to just about anything that involves interpretation.
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Hawks I cant help that your taste in music sucks.
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	On the realio try getting into the more awesome/non flamer genres like Classic Heavy Metal (Sabbath, Priest, Maiden), Thrash (Tallica, Megadeth, Slaya), Melodeath (In Flames, Amon Amarth, Children Of Bodom), Metalcore (Killswitch Engage, Unearth, Parkway Drive), Post Metal (Isis, Neurosis, Cult Of Luna), Alternative Metal (Rage Against The Machine, Faith No More, System Of A Down), Sludge Metal (Mastodon, Crowbar, Electric Wizard), Death/Doom Metal (Paradise Lost, Anathema, My Dying Bride), Mathcore (Protest The Hero, Dillinger Escape Plan, Botch), Groove Metal (Pantera, Machine Head, Sepultura), Grunge Metal (Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Melvins), Industrial Metal (Nine Inch Nails, Ministry, Godflesh), Nu Metal (Deftones, Korn, Slipknot), Prog Metal (Dream Theater, Opeth, Tool), Djent (Meshuggah, Periphery, Tesseract), Stoner Metal (Kyuss, Sleep, Electric Wizard), and so on. If you cant get into some of those then metal just isnt for you. You're def not going to be able to just jump into death, black, or grind (not that you should want to at any point anyway).
MoosechriS 03.24.12	You're def not going to be able to just jump into death, black, or grind (not that you should want to at any point anyway). why the fuck not?
Ssssssss 03.24.12	if you like better instrumentation, then you will like metal.
Eclecticist 03.24.12	Personally my starting point was Slayer and Slipknot, but what really tied the knot with me and heavy metal (when I was 12) was listening to Like Light To The Flies by Trivium.
Hospital 03.24.12	Jeez some dicks in here today
Hawks 03.24.12	Because Yankee is a faggot.
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Cuz they suck buttcheeks, save for a couple bands. I cant take any person serious who think Demilich is actually music.
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Hawks probably sucks the most dicks on this site being that he calls everyone else a faggot who doesnt like frog metal lol. MAN YOU'RE BADASS BRO!!! YOU LISTEN TO FROGS BURPING!! Love ya.
Eclecticist 03.24.12	guys guys guys stop the fighting and listen to Symptom's self titled debut instead
Hawks 03.24.12	I do suck the most dicks. I take pride in that. So yeah, you're still a retard.
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Will you suck mine? Its roughly 6.1 inches on a good day.
Hawks 03.24.12	Nah you're not worthy.
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Darn. I thought you were easy. Good for you!!
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	Plebs asking people to explain to them how to like a certain genre. What else is new.
Maniac! 03.24.12	"How Can You Listen To Metal?" With my ears.
FranzSchubert 03.24.12	"if you like better instrumentation, then you will like metal" jazz has far better instrumentation
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	Jazz is random wankery.
MoosechriS 03.24.12	if you have to ask how to like something then it's probably not going to be for you.
Maniac! 03.24.12	'Jazz is random wankery.' lol [2]
MoosechriS 03.24.12	'Jazz is random wankery.' lol [3]
fr33convict 03.24.12	Jazz is random wankery.' teehee
evilford 03.24.12	lol
Steoandnoodles 03.24.12	You can't have a discussion on Sputnik. =/ That's like asking God to prove he exists, he's just like "LOL, nope." I mean, to each his own, right? Only metal band I've ever liked are Mastodon. Huge fan of jazz. Random or not. =)
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	All I'm saying is that at least Valse Triste has some emotion, Miles Davis isn't feeling kind of blue, he's not feeling anything.
MunsuLight 03.24.12	"Jazz is random wankery" lol [4] Free jazz maybe -.-
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	I can only into noir jazz because of my restricted thinking capacity.
FranzSchubert 03.24.12	jazz > metal
mifzal 03.24.12	Just taste. Doesn't have to be your cup of tea
Palimpsest 03.24.12	"I have no problem with vocals being screamed, but when it's done in metal it sounds like shit." What?
StrangerofSorts 03.24.12	but I am stylish.
FranzSchubert 03.24.12	pointless kind of music?= what does that even mean?!? elaborate.
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	Show me your tits first.
FranzSchubert 03.24.12	im still not getting how one of the most influential genres is pointless... how is any music pointless? what is the point of music?
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	What is the point of music?
TheSpirit 03.24.12	the summary of this implies all metal as screamed vocals... it does not
evilford 03.24.12	it all comes back to rhetorical questions
FranzSchubert 03.24.12	because baseline isnt making sense
Maniac! 03.24.12	Baseline is at the trolling again
ChuckyTruant 03.24.12	The first metal bands I listened to we're Sevendust and Metallica. Start with classic metal and alternative metal
FranzSchubert 03.24.12	me so mad
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	to feed me
evilford 03.24.12	Baseline is a troll IRL
StrangerofSorts 03.24.12	bet he's cool and stylish as fuck
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	>David Lynch >Incompetent but
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Baseline and Riff should start dating so they can hate on everything besides Japanese Pop demos together.
FranzSchubert 03.24.12	lol has anyone heard david lynchs album?
fsharptrit0ne 03.24.12	why listen to that when you have angelo badalamenti's beautiful twin peaks soundtrack!
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Baseline give me your top 5 favorite bands/artists. I know Tool takes up at least 2 spots so give me the other 3.
SteelErectedb4you8er 03.24.12	Well, an argument that could be thrown is a lot of punk is basic/simple.....some punk bands can hardly play their instrument, they know how to write a good melody and hook. Where as, most metal bands can be complex and have better musicianship, and it may be harder for the untrained ear to hear the melodies and hooks, but they are there. Every style of metal has a unique flavor, but just like any music their is a riff and that may be the hook or the melody, or depending on the vocals that could be the hook or the melody. My guess is that you haven't checked out too much metal, and you have an untrained ear for it.
ohfoxxxycole 03.24.12	check out hypocrisy - roswell 47 and just melodeath the fuck out
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Technicality is the most overrated thing in metal though. If anybody listens to a band or genre because of how technical it is they're missing the point. Thats something alot of metal bands (especially prog and tech death) fuck up with IMO. They all just try to outwank eachother. Some of the best songs in history were the simplest. Songwriting and emotion should always come before technicality/heaviness/speed. Those things are just a bonus. Its why alot of people find it hard to connect with the more extreme metal genres because many of the bands just want to be more extreme than the last guy with no regards to connect on an emotional level besides being angry. /damn.
Oathbreaker 03.24.12	Just stop talking about music, urgh.
SteelErectedb4you8er 03.24.12	Yankee, I am not a fan of wankery or too technical music myself. I guess I should have broken in down more, the music sounds more complex to the untrained ear. Trust me, I am the number 1 guy to talk to about how much I hate too much tech and not enough substance. I am all about songwriting, and I couldn't agree with you more. I was just making a point.
climactic 03.24.12	"Well, first of all, Jazz = off sync Blues, that means is Blues for retarded people who think improperly written compositions are "stylish" and "cool" " hahahahah what the fuck?
climactic 03.24.12	"Songwriting and emotion should always come before technicality/heaviness/speed." thats 100% opinion ugh
MO 03.24.12	read this review, it basically explains perfectly why metal rules http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/45717/Metallica-Ride-the-Lightning/
MO 03.24.12	"But at the same time, I feel like I should be able to listen to albums from any genre that are considered great and appreciate them as someone who loves music. But with metal, I can't seem to do that." dude the same goes for any genre, I don't get the constant fapping over the devil and god, it is what it is you either like it or you don't
BlueW 03.24.12	I was quite the metal fan a couple years ago but I totally agree nowadays that emotional level of songwriting outways technicality. I have yet found a metal song to affect me profoundly on an emotional level.
SteelErectedb4you8er 03.24.12	Nice call, MetallicOpeth, I have never read that review before, but that is a great way of putting it.
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Steel I would say Punk has much more positive/uplifting emotion than most metal though. Which is why I like Metalcore/Hardcore/Punk over straight up death metal that mostly just talks about well.. death. Even if the instrumentation in death metal destroys punk there is more emotion and putting the song first in punk than death metal. I know death metal fans will say they dont care much about lyrics, singing, or vocals that even resemble a human being but thats a big part of music to alot of people. Without any lyrical aspect you're just listening to a dude burp into a mic over blast beats with no melody. Obviously its more than that and if it connects with you fine, but thats what it sounds like and Ive listened to it enough to form an opinion. I mean what would Master Of Puppets be if James just incoherently barked the whole song and the melodic middle section was just cut out? Itd be death metal and it would suck.
DotEight 03.24.12	"Angry music" Just because it's being screamed or shouted instead of sang like a whiny bitch doesn't mean it's "angry".
evilford 03.24.12	'"Songwriting and emotion should always come before technicality/heaviness/speed." thats 100% opinion ugh' yeah and the fact that he takes it for granted that these ideas are mutually exclusive shows that he doesn't know what he's talking about next topic
fr33convict 03.24.12	"I mean what would Master Of Puppets be if James just incoherently barked the whole song and the melodic middle section was just cut out? Itd be death metal and it would suck." That's all James ever did. And nope it'd still be thrash. m/
MO 03.24.12	"I know death metal fans will say they dont care much about lyrics, singing, or vocals that even resemble a human being but thats a big part of music to alot of people." go listen to some Death. Chuck wrote some of the most intriguing lyrics ranging from youthanasia to religion, I mean yea a bunch of death metal lyrics are either a joke or lame but there are great ones, just gotta look for them....LIKE ANY GENRE GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!!!
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	I have Death. Everyone always recs me them when I say that. But they're the vast exception.
SteelErectedb4you8er 03.24.12	Yankee, I am a death metal vocalist, and it isn't easy to growl, there is a technique and to be able to do it properly takes some practice like any instrument. And to say that there isn't any emotion in death metal is false. Personally when I am up there growling and playing death metal, it is a therapy session to release all of the frustration, anger, problems that bother me in my life. It gives me a chance to release. And as listeners, I think the aggressiveness of the music is what helps other people deal with their problems in life. Maybe it isn't through the lyrics, but the music speaks to people, and helps release tension. And metal comes in many forms, and each displays a different kind of emotion, but it all comes from inside. I write doom metal songs, I play death metal too, and no matter the lyrical topic, the music comes from my soul and I write it because it means something to me, and sometimes people can feel that in the music. Music speaks to people differently, but you can't say because death metal doesn't speak to you in that way, that it lacks emotion.
fr33convict 03.24.12	have you even heard camel
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Fair enough Steel. I know death metal vocals take some skill to master without fuckin your throat up, but still they just dont sound all that good to me. I mean who really wants to get screamed at all day long? I get the cathartic release one could get from listening to it, as I get the same thing, but when thats ALL somebody listens to then they must be a really angry person lol. I mean Ill throw on some Converge when Im pissed, but I cant listen to that for hours on end like some can. To each their own.
SteelErectedb4you8er 03.24.12	Well, trust me, I understand completely. One moment, I could be listening to Decapitated, the next moment I am listening to Depeche Mode, and then maybe some Merle Haggard. I don't just listen to metal myself, but some people just love it too much to even care about anything else. Maybe it is a phase in their life, or maybe they are angry all the time. Like I said, music speaks to people differently, but real music all across the board, and I mean real music, is meant to grab people in some way, shape, or form...and some people just want death metal! I listen to metal not only emotionally, but to hear the riffs, the instrumentation, etc. And baseline, that's like, your opinion, man.
North0House2 03.24.12	Post-metal got me into it. Black metal solidified me in the genre. It's not my favorite genre. However, my favorite genres stem from both post-metal and black metal. I personally think it's an acquired taste. When I first heard Rosetta, I thought it was disgusting, but something kept making me listen to them more and more. Eventually, I started to love it. The rest was history. I think death metal and stuff is a little too much, though. It's not my kinda thing, but I can see why others love it.
ohfoxxxycole 03.24.12	death metal is cool tho
North0House2 03.24.12	It is. Just not my thing.
Shuyin 03.24.12	Post-metal/ Sludge is the shit
Trebor. 03.24.12	I play guitar I like riffs I like drums
Hyperion1001 03.24.12	if u dont get metul you dont deserve to get metul
owen 03.24.12	Punk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Metal
dammets 03.24.12	if you have to ask anyone why they listen to a certain type of music, you probably won't get it anyway
HangEmHigh 03.24.12	Why doesnt everyone not listen to what baseline is saying because you know, they suck.
FearThyEvil 03.24.12	Easy, with my fucking good ears!
eggsvonsatan 03.24.12	I feel like no matter who you are there's got to be at least one band in metal that you appreciate.
spillingmercury 03.24.12	How? I just do. I don't listen to it often, it's not my preferred genre but I can enjoy it on its intensity and on its fun...ness. I'm guessing you have a problem with its vocals, which I noticed a lot of people seem to have a problem digesting. The only thing I can recommend you is to ease into the genre, start with bands that either focus moreso on the instruments or bands that employ less harsh vocals. I find a lot of punk vocals just as distressing as metal vocals, but you just kind of have to accept that those vocals are there because that's how they identify with the genre and the emotions they're conveying. Anything else or anything less transforms the sound completely.
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	and that band should be electric wizard
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	if you like punk do you like hardcore punk and skramz?
ohfoxxxycole 03.24.12	do u like kidcrash
Funeralopolis 03.24.12	if you like hardcore punk and skramz from punk then maybe grind or metalcore will be easier for you to get into
Hyperion1001 03.24.12	didnt even read this thread and i know it sucks how did i ever guess that?
ohfoxxxycole 03.24.12	youve been here for more than 3 months
Hawks 03.24.12	123 Hype.
sniper 03.24.12	kidcrash rules
HangEmHigh 03.24.12	Just reapplying your mentality to the rest of the thread. If it's not my opinion, it must suck!
ILJ 03.24.12	Lol this thread
Parallels 03.24.12	hahahaaha
ohfoxxxycole 03.24.12	fuck off sonicspeed
1614425 03.24.12	I reckon around 80% of metal is pretty crap, however the bands that do it well are really, really good. Its just about finding the decent bands
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Id say 80% of every genre is crap. Thats what sites like these are for to hopefully find the gems like Emmure.
Shuyin 03.24.12	good trolling bro!
Satellite 03.24.12	punk rock is the worst music ever so yr opinion is invalid
YankeeDudel 03.24.12	Cannibal Corpse is part of the 80% fyi.
facupm 03.24.12	Metal is not for anyone..
julien 03.24.12	thanks for all the laughs, fuckers!
MoosechriS 03.24.12	not masterful, but good trolling. well played sir
TheFonz123 03.24.12	"jazz is random wankery" lol (23434365)
TheFonz123 03.24.12	I love metal but personally jazz>metal
VisionsFromTheDarkSide 03.24.12	I don't understand how people with a genuine passion for music can't like metal really
TheFonz123 03.24.12	^ they probably have a hard time relating/connecting to the music which prevents them from properly getting into it. i dunno just a theory, but really everyone who loves music SHOULD atleast respect it as an art form
VisionsFromTheDarkSide 03.24.12	"^ they probably have a hard time relating/connecting to the music which prevents them from properly getting into it. i dunno just a theory, but really everyone who loves music SHOULD atleast respect it as an art form" Yeah, I mean I could understand why people might not like it but I don't understand how some people say it doesn't take skill, like when they say "it's just bashing anything on the guitar and drums!" That really gets to me
Turtlestlker 03.24.12	"I mean who really wants to get screamed at all day long?" I do.
WeepingBanana 03.24.12	Folk Punk and Metal are both rad
FranzSchubert 03.25.12	lol keep this going
Wombat988 03.25.12	Mischief Brew are awesome.
VinVal 03.25.12	try listening to at least 10 of the best bands of each sub genre (death metal, Black Metal etc.) if you still dont like it, then yeah you love the dick
Winrar 03.25.12	Lol this thread [2]
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TheBoss88 03.25.12	It's kind of just a phase in life for most people anyway (and sometimes you don't have that phase which is fine too). I loved metal when I was younger and eventually just found it ridiculous to listen to it myself. You ever notice most normal people above the ages of say 19-23ish stop listening to metal? You can say what you will at age 16-18 (which I'm sure most of you are), that you'll listen to metal forever or what have you, but eventually most people find more interesting forms of music as adults. You don't generally go to metal shows and see normal adults, you go to metal shows and find dudes that live in their parents basements and only work part time to pay off their stupid faux-artsy tattoos Hey, everyone has their own taste and opinion etc etc - but at 23, as someone who played metal - bought metal albums - went to a ton of metal shows, I can sit her and confidently tell you that you'll very likely grow out of metal and just remember it as a phase. There is literally not a single metal album in my collection anymore, and never has there been a single second where I've wanted to go back and listen to it in quite a few years. Let the freaking out commence.
qwe3 03.25.12	def better option
Relinquished 03.25.12	"You don't generally go to metal shows and see normal adults, you go to metal shows and find dudes that live in their parents basements and only work part time to pay off their stupid faux-artsy tattoos" huh...
auberginedreams 03.25.12	lol theboss88 all you listen to is bruce springsteen and bob dylan.
Trebor. 03.25.12	he went full retard
VinVal 03.25.12	^lol for someone who claims to have gained maturity i couldnt help but read that comment as immature self-absorbed nonsense
MoosechriS 03.25.12	You can say what you will at age 16-18 (which I'm sure most of you are), that you'll listen to metal forever or what have you, but eventually most people find more interesting forms of music as adults. You don't generally go to metal shows and see normal adults, you go to metal shows and find dudes that live in their parents basements and only work part time to pay off their stupid faux-artsy tattoos. What!?!? I listen to metal because i like it, im 26, have a mortgage and am getting married next year and hopefully plan to have a family and stuff within the next few years. I like metal because i like it and i anything as i've gotten older i've discovered more heavy and extreme bands as a result of my experiences. The stereotypical cellar dwelling shut in is a monumental pile of horse shit that should be force fed to every pretentious cunt who hangs onto the idea.
wakeupdead 03.25.12	In most cases, I love metal because the musicianship is fantastic. As a musician myself, I can appreciate any music if the musicianship is good.
Relinquished 03.25.12	123 moose congrats on getting married soon dude
MoosechriS 03.25.12	Thanks dude
KjSwantko 03.25.12	how can you not listen to metal, wow
TheBoss88 03.25.12	Vin - "immature self-absorbed nonsense"? I'm literally saying I "loved" this genre of music when I was younger and understand what the appeal is. Not entirely sure where the "immature self-absorbed nonsense" comes into play here. I grew up and found much better things. All the kids I hung out/played in bands with that were also into metal did the exact same. I'm not here to offend anyone, I'm saying it's called growing up - that's all.
auberginedreams 03.25.12	lol theboss88 all you listen to is bruce springsteen and bob dylan. seriously did you go straight from 17 to 70?
Trebor. 03.25.12	where did those comments go?
auberginedreams 03.25.12	that's not really how that movie worked.
auberginedreams 03.25.12	backwards of benjamin button is literally just normal so i don't even understand what you were trying to say.
auberginedreams 03.25.12	13 going on 30 would have been a more appropriate analogy.
someguest 03.25.12	yeah i don't like metal as much as I used to either, i find an emotional attachment with other aspects of music now but don't be a stereotyping dick about it ok
Shuyin 03.25.12	'I'm literally saying I "loved" this genre of music when I was younger and understand what the appeal is.' his metal bands: korn, limp bizkit and slipknot m/
TheBoss88 03.25.12	I just want to make clear I'm not trying to bicker with anyone here over opinions. I respect everyone has them, and that's fine. I wasn't trying to really stereotype either but as I said - can you at least partially admit that people over that age group "generally" are that way at metal shows? And yeah - it works both ways - I like Dylan, and generally when I go to one of his shows he has an older audience - I get it. Once again - this is coming from someone who listened to and loved metal and most of it's sub-genres for years and think someguest is right with the whole "emotional attachment" aspect. No disrespect intended, so apologies.
Shuyin 03.25.12	'I just want to make clear I'm not trying to bicker with anyone here over opinions. I respect everyone has them, and that's fine. ' 'you go to metal shows and find dudes that live in their parents basements and only work part time to pay off their stupid faux-artsy tattoos ' youre doing a terrible job
TheBoss88 03.25.12	"his metal bands: korn, limp bizkit and slipknot m/" This was such a pathetic attempt at wit that I actually feel bad for you.
someguest 03.25.12	it's true though shuyin, metal draws in the losers
Shuyin 03.25.12	all types of music draw in losers..
MoosechriS 03.25.12	^^^^ this
MoosechriS 03.25.12	i bet the 19 year old jazz obsessive is just as much of a nut as the 19 year old metal obsessive
VinVal 03.25.12	Immature= you obviously knew you were going to get bagged on for that comment but you posted it anyway, hence: "Let the freaking out commence." Self absorbed= "I loved metal when I was younger and eventually just found it ridiculous to listen to it myself." ".....but at 23, as someone who played metal - bought metal albums - went to a ton of metal shows, I can sit her and confidently tell you that you'll very likely grow out of metal and just remember it as a phase. There is literally not a single metal album in my collection anymore, and never has there been a single second where I've wanted to go back and listen to it in quite a few years." yeah get off your high horse Nonsense: at least 90% of people i know who listen to metal are at least 20 years old, most are above 30s. Not to mention that most are independent and in most cases, highly intelligent. idk dude personal experiences are personal experiences, dont generalize.
TheBoss88 03.25.12	All types of anything draws in losers, it's life. Music, sports, college, jobs - you name it. But the last time I went to a jazz concert, a folk concert, an indie concert, a blues concert etc etc I can assure you there were exponentially less losers than any metal show I've ever attended.
KjSwantko 03.25.12	Metal is a genre of intelligent people, especially when you get into elite bands who are doing something truly interesting. It's the exact opposite of listening to pop, hard rock, rap, and hipster shit
Vesper 03.25.12	If you judge people as 'losers' simply by how they look, or whether they have a 9-5 job, or want to have a family, or otherwise pretty standard bourgeosie norms, I think you're the one who needs to grow the fuck up.
VinVal 03.25.12	^i'd marry this girl
someguest 03.25.12	the sun won't kill you vesper
TheBoss88 03.25.12	Val I'm truly just gonna stop it here. Sorry you're offended, I sincerely am. My opinion differs from yours, that's all. You might need to adjust your definition of "high horse" as I was literally just explaining myself. If I didn't explain how metal related/affected a large part of my life I'd figure my opinion would be pretty worthless here.
MeatSalad 03.25.12	Trolls trolling trolls everywhere
Shuyin 03.25.12	your opinion is wrong deal with it
Damon 03.25.12	How can't you listen to metal? Love some good folk punk btw
TheBoss88 03.25.12	Vesper: Way to put words in my mouth. Those sound like respectable people to me. Last time I checked I don't normally ask people at metal shows if they "work a 9-5" or "want a family". I generally would say is a loser is someone who goes to a concert to: fight, hurt people, throw women on the floor in a pit, try and stab someone in a pit, or a 300 pound piece of garbage trying to start a fight with a 16 year old cause he "looked at him funny". All things I've seen done at metal shows in life...
Relinquished 03.25.12	"fight, hurt people, throw women on the floor in a pit, try and stab someone in a pit, or a 300 pound piece of garbage trying to start a fight with a 16 year old cause he "looked at him funny". All things I've seen done at metal shows in life..." well first: who respectable enough does any of that and second: I hope you're not basing those bastards for metal fans that are dudes that live in their parents basements and only work part time to pay off their stupid faux-artsy tattoos
Trebor. 03.25.12	Have you ever been to a Priest show? It's all old people
Aphrodisiac 03.25.12	only faggot music snobs dont like metal yea
Trebor. 03.25.12	Did you guys hear? We are all just going through a phase, it will all be over before you know it
J0ckstrapsFTW 03.25.12	Metal honestly, has some of the most talented muscians that have EVER lived. The complexity and rythmn that is found in an overwhelming majority of metal songs remind me that I still have faith in music.
Vesper 03.25.12	@Boss - No, all you did before was call metalheads losers that live in their parents' basements and have part-time jobs to pay for faux-artsy tattoos. (It's not unreasonable to infer that your idea of a 'non-loser' was someone who, conversely, has a full-time job, is financially independent, and is generally clean-cut, so my sentence was simply an extrapolation of these values.) That's not the same thing as people who are violent at shows. I don't know which metal shows you went to (and your experience probably will differ based on the subgenre), and it's not like that shit doesn't happen, but everyone's getting on your case because you're making sweeping generalizations based on the worst of the fanbase. And that this has anything to do with the quality of the music. I'm almost 23, and I've had no problems at any metal shows. The occasional asshole has usually been checked by other concert-goers or a bouncer, if there was one.
VinVal 03.25.12	@bossy no need to be sorry bro just re-align your views maybe
Skrapyard 03.25.12	I love it when this happens. Will we get a round two? Will Boss pick himself up to throw a few more punches?!? Stay tuned...
ShadowRemains 03.25.12	good lord aside from a few people, and those people know who they are, the amount of idiotic bullshit in this thread is mind boggling
Ire 03.25.12	^that
tarkus 03.25.12	ire u missed a good turntable we are all getting off
PaleCompanion 03.25.12	@Yankee "If you cant get into some of those then metal just isnt for you. You're def not going to be able to just jump into death, black, or grind (not that you should want to at any point anyway)." I love metal but I don't care for, or even dislike, the vast majority of that list. You're just listing the big names and a lot of these bands aren't even metal. Not trying to flame or anything, all I want to say is that there is literally TONS of metal left for one to enjoy even if they don't like these bands. Atmospheric black metal for instance can be a very accessible subgenre and lead one to appreciate less hybrid BM bands further down the road.
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