omnipanzer
03.15.12 | I see enough of these commercials on TV and Hulu dude. |
ThroneOfAgony
03.15.12 | sonic for pres 2012 |
climactic
03.15.12 | re-elected AGAIN? |
ThroneOfAgony
03.15.12 | As of now I can hardly see Obama being re-elected this coming year |
Evreaia
03.15.12 | I'm not American (and i'm actualy pretty right-orientated too). But I can't honestly see how any one could vote for any of the monkeys of the republicans lol.
So yeah, vote for Obama. The guy actually did something. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Yeah right. Who blew 150 million on a green, environmental company that went under days later. At least he got some good photos (cost us all 150 mil though). Let alone the war in Iraq isn't over (people are still dying). And Republicans respect women, it's just a stereotype Liberals use to judge all Conservatives. |
MO
03.15.12 | sorry what the shit does 4 even mean? |
Aids
03.15.12 | obama is obviously going to win, the republican candidates are all terrible. I mean, they usually are (actually I kind of like McCain) but especially this time around. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | Basically, conservatives (usually) are only against big government when it isn't forcing THEIR morals on everyone else.
Then it's ok, because "we have a culture war going on" |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | First of all, we got in this war (that we are currently in) for a pretty legit reason. People join the military to fight and protect our country, not for free money. They know the risks of joining and do it (better than people begging for money on wall street). And we aren't all racists either. I live in Georgia, have many black friends, and am the least racist person on earth. I respect women as equals as well (there are woman republicans as well). |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | "First of all, we got in this war (that we are currently in) for a pretty legit reason. "
which war?
what was the "legit" reason? |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | And the candidates are pretty weak this year. I'm all for Santorum, but Romney's gonna get the nom. (which isn't what most of us want anyways). |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | Also I'm more in line with social libertarianism than anything, but all positions have their flaws.
But open-mindedness won't happen in this country anytime soon. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Against Terrorism (It's no official war, but the Korean War wasn't either). And remember a little incident called 9/11. A decently legit reason. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | "I'm all for Santorum"
Then you're an idiot. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | "Against Terrorism (It's no official war, but the Korean War wasn't either). And remember a little incident called 9/11. A decently legit reason."
Are you talking Iraq or Afghanistan? |
DotEight
03.15.12 | I don't like any of the stupid fucks. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Well who else would I go for? Libertarian Ron Paul? Overly-radical Gingrich? Half-liberal Romney? Santorum and Gingrich are the only people who hold traditional Republican values. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Both... I think? We have soldiers based in both because there are terrorists in both countries. We are not at war against either country, but against the radical groups inhabited in the country. |
Aids
03.15.12 | liked* |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | I don't hate blacks or Gays at all. I'm friends with lots of blacks, and I don't per-say "hate" gays, but I have a right not to approve of their lifestyle. |
Aids
03.15.12 | "And remember a little incident called 9/11. A decently legit reason."
hahahaha holy fucking christ I didn't realize people like you still existed. fucking retard. |
eggsvonsatan
03.15.12 | 1. Because everyone else running is completely fucking insane
end of story
What do you mean by westward expansion? |
Aids
03.15.12 | "but I have a right not to approve of their lifestyle."
not really you fucking idiot |
MO
03.15.12 | lol this thread is going to be amazing |
RooseveltsGhost
03.15.12 | I hope I live to see the South rise again.
Good riddance.
|
Maniac!
03.15.12 | You have a right to not approve.
You don't have a right to control how they live. They are humans. They have biological desires that differ slightly from yours. That doesn't give you the right to deny them equality. You are a fucking douchebag. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | I don't go around telling gays they are wrong or anything, but I don't have to like their lifestyle. Look up the 1st amendment. And 9/11 was pretty tragic. You just want to let people get away with trying to break down your country? (assuming your american) |
DotEight
03.15.12 | No Aids he has the "right" to dislike homosexuals, but it just makes him look like an ignorant douche. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | I live in the South currently, but I liked living in Minnesota more. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | "And 9/11 was pretty tragic. You just want to let people get away with trying to break down your country? (assuming your american)"
Bin Laden is dead. Al Qaeda is pretty much non-existent. Bring all of out troops home and reduce our overseas presence by at least 3% |
MO
03.15.12 | "And 9/11 was pretty tragic."
you know it sucks cause yea 3000 people died, but man there are so many worse things that happen on a daily basis |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Great, Bin Laden's dead. Ever heard of Martyrs? And I'm fine with America not policing with world, but we need to make sure we finish our job first. And no one can complain about troops dying overseas. That is what they get paid money to do. If I join the military, I'll have no problem going and fighting/dying for my country. That would be my job description anyway. |
Sirob
03.15.12 | black power! |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | Tired of pillaging other countries. I'd like us to start minding our own business at least 10% of the time. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | 9/11 was on purpose though. It was an attack on our country. Like Pearl Harbor or the sinking of that ship that brought us into WWI. Should we have just let those go as well?
|
TheZehan
03.15.12 | I'm perfectly fine with American minding it's own business. We should...but we can't let obvious attacks on our country go unanswered. I gotta go to class, so I'll be back later. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | "And no one can complain about troops dying overseas. That is what they get paid money to do. If I join the military, I'll have no problem going and fighting/dying for my country. That would be my job description anyway."
I don't want to hear(read) your bullshit. I'm getting ready to join the Navy. I know what military service is, as my Dad served 20 years, as well as many other family members. Just because I don't agree with what the government is doing with the military, does not mean I don't think we should have one. |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | Zombie Ron paul 2016! |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | "but we can't let obvious attacks on our country go unanswered."
We didn't. Iraq was a stupid waste of lives and money. Afghanistan should have been wrapped up like 3 years ago. |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | And lol at ok with santorum. I dislike you again
|
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Forgot I have another 2 or so minutes. I commend you for going into the Navy. I just don't think we can let these attacks go unanswered. They won't just stop and go away. Now I gotta go. |
jwyles4
03.15.12 | Well you are right about the hot daughters thing |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | Libertarianism is the answer. That or take it a few extreme steps forward and have anarchy |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | Libertarianism has it's flaws in the economic sector. Big businesses without regulations will screw everyone over.
We don't live in a Utopia.
Socially, libertarianism is the way, economically we need some regulations, federally we need to focus mostly on keeping businesses in check and having a strong defense (not offense) |
stbonas44
03.15.12 | wow this guy still has people fooled after 4 years...i feel bad for you
|
KILL
03.15.12 | obama 08 |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | @maniac werd i just want big bro to fuck off and quit taking out of my income. And let me burn one down out in the sun |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | Social libertarianism ftw! However, america is too big, it will collapse soon as has all empires in history. Or thats how i feel |
BallsToTheWall
03.15.12 | anarchy 1666 |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | I only cared when i thought ron paul had a shot. Now i just watch the debates for the lol's
|
jdennis31
03.15.12 | Anarchy 1666 is the truth |
Katechon
03.15.12 | Oh fuck these political threads. |
gabethepiratesquid
03.15.12 | Libertarianism is dum. It doesn't even acknowledge shit in a macroeconomic level. Plus we need government safety nets and regulations or else shit will get shitty.
also Obama's definitely gonna be re-elected. All of the Republican candidates are jokes. |
Tyrannic
03.15.12 | Hey if Zehan hasnt left:
Oh my god will you please shut the living fuck up |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | "Libertarianism is dum. It doesn't even acknowledge shit in a macroeconomic level. Plus we need government safety nets and regulations or else shit will get shitty."
that's what I said
|
jdennis31
03.15.12 | And something i didnt deny. Quit flooding sputnik servers with redundancy gabe
|
MO
03.15.12 | lol a bit late there tyrannic |
eggsvonsatan
03.15.12 | Next election, they should let sputnik members moderate the debates. |
Trebor.
03.15.12 | Republicans hate the constitution
Equal rights and separation of church and state? Fuck dat shit, them gays hate jesus, and we all know jesus wrote the constitution in 1865 |
iambandersnatch
03.15.12 | Ron Paul > all the nonsense that is the other options
He won't win but hopefully his son Rand starts running next election; basically a younger version of him.
This is a terrible place to have a political discussion though and anyone that makes these threads should be tarred and feathered. |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | oh sweet, think your the second ron paul supporter i've seen on this site. but yah |
Zorak
03.15.12 | brak obama 2012
http://www.weightlessdog.com/shell.nsf/2/TTUE-7BS5VT/$File/brakobama.jpg |
Katechon
03.15.12 | This is a terrible place to have a political discussion though and anyone that makes these threads should be tarred and feathered. [2] |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "re-elected AGAIN?"
I lol'd a mighty lol. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "This is a terrible place to have a political discussion though and anyone that makes these threads should be tarred and feathered. [2]"
imperialist swines! |
NotSoFast
03.15.12 | This is a terrible place to have a political discussion though and anyone that makes these threads should be tarred and feathered. [3] |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | You are truly horrible people. I hope you realize that some day. |
NotSoFast
03.15.12 | Aren't Obama's kids like 6 years old. Lol |
lucasjcockcroft
03.15.12 | will not vote for obama, my votes for seinfeld's brother. |
Nikkolae
03.15.12 | "And I'm fine with America not policing with world, but we need to make sure we finish our job first."
yeah because to you Team America was less of a comedy and more of a reality, seriously its dicktards like you that make all the rest of us dislike the USA. |
Nikkolae
03.15.12 | 'mericuuhhh fuck yea (8) |
Oceanus
03.15.12 | Guys guys guys, there's a politics subforum in the forums. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | you need to quit |
Mickeymau5
03.15.12 | Yes I want more government control in my life, that's why I'm voting for Obama. |
Nikkolae
03.15.12 | what be this things that ye called "forums"? |
BallsToTheWall
03.15.12 | I'm voting for Ralph Nader. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "Yes I want more government control in my life, that's why I'm voting for Obama."
Right because the opposite is better. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | I'm voting for BallsToTheWall. |
Crymsonblaze
03.15.12 | I agree with almost every stance Obama has. Plus he seems like a cool guy. Even bigger plus, he's not Republican. |
BaturTogay
03.15.12 | I'm totally against the Republican ideology but Obama doesn't seem like the peaceful, populist, social democrat president that I want to see sitting in the White House. I'm not sure who but maybe Green Party as a protest. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | if you look at every election like a "lesser of two evils" type of situation you'll stop fucking
yourself by assuming your chosen candidate will actually be good. If he/she ends up being good like
Obama then it's just a pleasant surprise. |
Mickeymau5
03.15.12 | http://obamalies.net/ |
gabethepiratesquid
03.15.12 | "that's what I said"
sorry I didn't see that but you didn't mention macroeconomics I don't think so eat a nigga dick.
"And something i didnt deny. Quit flooding sputnik servers with redundancy gabe"
deal w/ it. Keynesian economics > Libertbuttinism |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | Gotta love a good spin job Mickeymau5.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp |
NWOAHM666
03.15.12 | Why you should vote for Glen Benton:
1. He doesn't look like a Christian, so the Islamic fundamentalists would either accept him, or they'd be afraid of him.
2. He claims to have seen Bigfoot, so he will be pretty open in terms of politics. Expect revelations about 9/11, JFK murder, Roswell '47, the Philadelphia experiments, etc..
3. The only war he would ever start would be the war on Jesus, so there will be no more poor soldiers dying in the desert. |
someguest
03.15.12 | lmfao at 9
apes are hot |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | Jesus feater |
someguest
03.15.12 | i'm not that good |
Tyrannic
03.15.12 | how in the ever-living fuck do you look like a christian. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | *i'm not a good person |
WeepingBanana
03.15.12 | I'm not voting for Obama because:
He signed the NDAA
He's worsening the war on drugs
He still has our troops all over the fucking world
He still adhere's the to ridiculous definitions that the United States gives to "terrorists"
there are probably a few others, but that's mostly why |
someguest
03.15.12 | I'm not voting for Obama because he's
turning grey |
North0House2
03.15.12 | JOE JONAS FOR PRES 2012 |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "I'm not voting for Obama because:
He signed the NDAA
He's worsening the war on drugs
He still has our troops all over the fucking world
He still adhere's the to ridiculous definitions that the United States gives to "terrorists"
there are probably a few others, but that's mostly why"
Can't remember who said this yesterday but I think it summed it up best
"In 3 years Obama hasn't fixed 8 years worth of Bush's fuck ups"
He's not fucking superman WB, I'm sorry you can't get your smoke on because it's not a priority right now. |
North0House2
03.15.12 | I'm just not voting this year, unless some viking runs. I want the right to carry a battle ax into Target.
|
BallsToTheWall
03.15.12 | JOE JONAS FOR PRES 2012
Next time he comes into my work i'll ask him about his political leanings and personal ambitions. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | I already suggested it to Balls, let's see what he says. |
Mickeymau5
03.15.12 | Obama extended Bush's policies. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | speak of the devil |
Tyrannic
03.15.12 | lol don't half of his internet forums that he talks to get bombarded with questions about legalization? god stoners are so fucking pushy, almost like they need to smoke a...
WAIT. WHAT. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "Obama extended Bush's policies."
I'm beginning to loose patience with your obstinate vagueness. Go to your room without diner young man, I revoke your voting privileges based on the fact that you are obviously too dumb to think for yourself. That has already gotten us in enough trouble in this country. |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | @tyrannic lol. Gave me a good laugh |
someguest
03.15.12 | the last four presidents have been so moderate they could have all been the same person, and that's the way it'll be again between romney and obama, so who gives a shit. |
lucasjcockcroft
03.15.12 | CLINTON |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | george
bill
george
barack
I don't get it someguest. |
Mickeymau5
03.15.12 | he extended the oil company's tax cuts,
He spend 750k of our tax dollars to build a soccer field in gitmo, when he stated before that he was going to close it over and over again in his 2008 campaign,
Extended the Patriot Act which dwindles the privacy of america..
He gave $528 million to Solyndra which was a waste of taxpayer money..
He signed the NDAA which gives more power to the Government.
|
jdennis31
03.15.12 | I should be prez. Cant make it too much worse |
lucasjcockcroft
03.15.12 | legalize prostituation |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "he extended the oil company's tax cuts,"
Source please
"He spend 750k of our tax dollars to build a soccer field in gitmo, when he stated before that he was going to close it over and over again in his 2008 campaign,"
Yah he found out he couldn't do that, welcome to reality. Building anything at GITMO is going to be a six figure proposition.
Extended the Patriot Act which dwindles the privacy of america..
He signed the NDAA which gives more power to the Government.
(gonna go ahead and lump these together)
Okay bad on him
He gave $528 million to Solyndra which was a waste of taxpayer money..
If you are you of the belief that life is without risks, you are unbelievably naive.
Is this it really, what a waste of my time. I'm not even going to waste my time rolling out the list of problems/atrocities from the Bush administration Again. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | Republicans = nitpicking little bitches that spend billions of dollars on an illegal war and then turn around and list a 750,000 questionable necessity as a major issue, unfucking believable. |
MO
03.15.12 | lol fucking omni you're the man |
lucasjcockcroft
03.15.12 | DEMOCRATS ARE PUSSY ASS NIGGAZZZZZZZ
jk i dont follow politics, because im to busy fucking bitches and getting paid. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | MO I wish you could TT bro. |
UnnamedOcean
03.15.12 | Some terrible things happened in Guacamole bay. |
Aphrodisiac
03.15.12 | I'll be voting for Obama. Santorum is trying to drag us back to the dark ages |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | Like the dicing of the onions... tragedy. |
lucasjcockcroft
03.15.12 | what the hell is guacomole bay |
Trebor.
03.15.12 | Al Gore needs to stop being a bitch and run again |
WeepingBanana
03.15.12 | "He's not fucking superman WB, I'm sorry you can't get your smoke on because it's not a priority right now."
You don't think it's a travesty that countless people are serving jail time and having to deal with the shit that goes with that on your record once you get out for being in possession of a completely benign plant? It's more about me "getting my smoke on".
I'm sorry, I just can't vote for someone who's 2008 campaign was lauded by Forbes (or some rich person magazine) for being the best marketing strategy of all time, especially when basically all of that money comes from Goldman Sachs and the like. |
Vesper
03.15.12 | Late to a party I don't want to join, but:
"I live in Georgia, have many black friends, and am the least racist person on earth. I respect women as equals as well (there are woman republicans as well)."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
omg
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
/wipes tear |
Trebor.
03.15.12 | Like any of the other presidents ever haven't done the same shit with drugs |
jdennis31
03.15.12 | Lol |
NWOAHM666
03.15.12 | I'm gonna be voting for omnipanzer.
Wait, I'm European, so I won't have to vote. :| |
MO
03.15.12 | "MO I wish you could TT bro."
yea gotta get off my ass and proxy it up |
WeepingBanana
03.15.12 | "Like any of the other presidents ever haven't done the same shit with drugs"
I'm not denying that. Just because Obama is just as bad, if not worse, as other presidents when it comes to this issue doesn't mean I shouldn't call him out on it. |
ILJ
03.15.12 | If Santorum wins the nomination, Obama will win.
If Romney wins the nomination, he has a shot.
If Santorum somehow wins the presidency, I will promptly be getting the fuck out of here. He scares the shit out of me. |
Aphrodisiac
03.15.12 | drugs don't matter to as many people as you think ok |
kris.
03.15.12 | even if romney nabs the nomination, obama'll win
it's like guaranteed |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "You don't think it's a travesty that countless people are serving jail time"
For breaking the law, no.
Do I think the laws need to be revamped, yes. |
lucasjcockcroft
03.15.12 | like no way, he's like going to win. |
WeepingBanana
03.15.12 | "drugs don't matter to as many people as you think ok"
Are you saying we should ignore everyone who's lives have been completely fucked and uprooted because they were caught with marijuana? A harmless plant?
"even if romney nabs the nomination, obama'll win
it's like guaranteed"
Well yeah, whoever has the most money to their campaign. Obama's good at getting huge banks to give him money. |
ILJ
03.15.12 | I fucking hope he does. Every single one of the republican nominees are awful. Except Ron Paul, but let's face it, that isn't happening. |
lucasjcockcroft
03.15.12 | lol. sorry hep kat |
kris.
03.15.12 | that and conservatives are so ridiculously torn between santorum and romney right now
basically all of the infighting between the gop right now is safely guaranteeing a victory for obamer
but its ok cuz the dudes black and i heart him |
WeepingBanana
03.15.12 | "For breaking the law, no.
Do I think the laws need to be revamped, yes."
That's kind of a contradiction, but okay. |
KjSwantko
03.15.12 | isn't Gtmo still open? lol |
ITsHxCTOASTER
03.15.12 | CrymsonBlaze you said this:
"I agree with almost every stance Obama has. Plus he seems like a cool guy. Even bigger plus, he's not Republican."
And I'd like to tell you a few things: "The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals.Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. We list these because many of Obama’s detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures."
Source: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 |
ffs
03.15.12 | reason i'm voting for obama: he rated colors 5/5 |
WeepingBanana
03.15.12 | yeah it makes darkies rape white women |
ITsHxCTOASTER
03.15.12 | I'm voting for Obama though |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "That's kind of a contradiction, but okay."
so is the situation. |
WeepingBanana
03.15.12 | "so is the situation."
Please clarify? Do you mean the whole drug law situation? Cause then I'd have to agree. |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | "And I'd like to tell you a few things: "The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals.Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. We list these because many of Obama’s detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures."
I love the fact that people post blanket statements that someone else made like they are fact. Not to mention that even if every one of these things are accurate as stated (I think they actually are for the most part) it's never as simple as the little blurb implies. For example "appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA" do you even stop to think about the words you are posting? everyone not fresh out of school had to work somewhere... and he's Senior fucking Advisor... who gives a shit. |
acorncheese
03.15.12 | re-elected AGAIN?[2] |
omnipanzer
03.15.12 | still makes me lol |
ITsHxCTOASTER
03.15.12 | Yeah omni like you said I just copied and pasted that, it's not my statement and I'm not saying I agree with it 100%. I'm not trying to say Obama is a horrible guy either (I'm voting for him) I just wanted to point out that he's far from a perfect candidate. Really the last line of the quote is the most important part |
TheFonz123
03.15.12 | reason for voting for obama:
hes not perfect but hes unquestioningly way better than all the republican candidates. if the republicans want to win they should stop tearing eachother apart on national tv and find a candidate who isnt nuts. I honestly think obama will win by default |
acorncheese
03.15.12 | ^ yep |
Ovrot
03.15.12 | 9/11 |
Crymsonblaze
03.15.12 | "And I'd like to tell you a few things: "The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals.Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. We list these because many of Obama’s detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures."
Source: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012"
Okay? |
Crymsonblaze
03.15.12 | Basically nothing I care about |
BallsToTheWall
03.15.12 | http://www.digitaltrends.com/webnews/major-isps-turn-into-copyright-police-by-july-says-riaa/ |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Wow, this blew up quick (which was expected). Last thing I'm gonna say (cause I don't feel like getting in pointless arguments because I'm never becoming Liberal and no Liberal is gonna become Conservative from pity arguments with people they don't really know). None of these candidates are what my people want. We just want anyone else (even Hillary Clinton) over who we have now. That is all. Have fun with politics, I'll go enjoy some music. |
Crymsonblaze
03.15.12 | dont mess with thezehan |
Ire
03.15.12 | sup avery |
Motiv3
03.15.12 | Pretty much its gonna be Romney/Santorum vs Obama and neither of the 3 are any good. |
Ire
03.15.12 | shut up hollier |
Motiv3
03.15.12 | o hai Ire |
paxman
03.15.12 | Who the fuck are you, Omnipanzer? Sitting there on your high horse, talking condescendingly to everyone. You ask for sources. Where are yours? You speak of "blanket statements," yet everything you've said is a blanket statement. You've contributed nothing worthwhile to the discussion. You're a digression, nothing more. |
paxman
03.15.12 | Who the fuck are you, Hep Kat? Sitting there on your high horse, talking condescendingly to everyone. You ask for sources. Where are yours? You speak of "blanket statements," yet everything you've said is a blanket statement. You've contributed nothing worthwhile to the discussion. You're a digression, nothing more. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | ^ Ha, I see what you did there |
AsoTamaki
03.15.12 | Quick someone. Is this thread worth reading? |
paxman
03.15.12 | But seriously, go Santorum because his name is kind of like sanitarium. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Well, I can't say Gingrich... so I want a president whose name I can pronounce. |
paxman
03.15.12 | Not really, it's a bunch of kids who think they're liberal because their parents are, talking useless shit about conservatives. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | ^ That's whats up. |
paxman
03.15.12 | Newt Gingrich is like Santa, the Grinch, and your history-buff grandpa all wrapped up in a cuddly package. |
paxman
03.15.12 | I mean, is Sonic even old enough to vote? He's grounded for Christ's sake. |
AsoTamaki
03.15.12 | Alright, thanks. Yeah, paxman. That's usually what these threads are like. But they bring some top notch lols from time to time. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | He's pretty funny. He's just a little too radical for me. Santorum is a good balance. (liberals should want Santorum over Gingrich anyway, because Gingrich would change things quickly, Santorum would be more lax) |
TheFonz123
03.15.12 | Id like to point out that I have my own opinions and my post was actually serious |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | @TheFonz: I agree with your statement about us having weak candidates. I wanted the NJ governor personally, but he must have some skeletons in his closet, cause he didn't try. And Democrats would cut each other up just like the Republicans do in a similar debate. |
TheFonz123
03.15.12 | "Not really, it's a bunch of kids who think they're liberal because their parents are, talking useless shit about conservatives."
but that often happens with republicans talking negatively about democrats. I mean a lot of conservatives are like that as well, in fact i would say from personal experience that conservatives are even more like this than liberals. regardles it goes both ways |
Crymsonblaze
03.15.12 | "Not really, it's a bunch of kids who think they're liberal because their parents are, talking useless shit about conservatives."
my parents are conservative |
TheFonz123
03.15.12 | yes, I live in new jersey and dont get me started on Christie's policys I hate that guy, but good point. A word of advice to candidates: if youve done something really bad in the past and run for presidency it WILL be exposed and it Will be controversial in the media. dont think you can hide your past |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Thats what screwed Herman Cain over. I think even you can admit that Christie would blow these other guys out of the water though. |
Ovrot
03.15.12 | 9/11 was a inside job |
TheFonz123
03.15.12 | cristie is a charismatic guy: hes a leader which the current republican candidates arent. but hes a divider, hes very radical and aggressive and hes the type that will get undying support from some, but scathing hate from others. as unlikely as this may be right now, we need some one who can bring apposing sides together becuase this whole republican vs. democracy who will get power isnt working out |
AlonsoHarris
03.15.12 | Sonic, you're a fucking idiot. First of all try to refrain from calling 12 year olds hot. Its not edgy its not funny, its just weird. And second, you don't know shit about politics. I know you saw the Daily Show once and you think you're an expert now but your not. You're just a dumb fucking 20 something like every other dumb 20 something on this site. Also you forgot to mention that Obama got Bin Laden. If you're going to make a list supporting a candidate it might help to actually mention his achievements. And third the fact that you're naive enough to think that ANY candidate on ANY side of the aisle gives 2 fucks about you is laughable. 4th You're a racist fucking confederate. I've been called nigger by you more times than I can count, so please stop giving decent liberals a bad name because you think being democrat is somehow counterculture or cool. Other people actually want change, you want attention on a music site. 5th the bailouts that "saved" the auto industry were signed by Bush. Obama just endorsed them. You're a fucking idiot, go listen to some Kiss and shut the fuck up fatass |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Believe what you want. I guess Pearl Harbor was one as well. We faked Osama's death too, just to give the real terrorists a martyr and send soldiers to do nothing but cover up the fact that America cares about nothing but oil. |
ConsiderPhlebas
03.15.12 | Lots of crazy politics in this thread |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | That would be a Libertarian. Fonz, are you supporting Ron Paul? Libertarians are the compromise between the two extremes (liberal social agenda, right-winged economic ideals). |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | Alonso, he's 16, and he's joking. get over yourself.
Zehan, Ovrot was being facetious. Get a sense of humor. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | idk, some people believe it. Look it up (or watch South Park's episode "The Snuke"). Hilarious btw. One of my fav episodes. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | I know they do. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | Go listen to some Agalloch. |
ConsiderPhlebas
03.15.12 | I thought the official explanation of 911 was a lie, read some fairly compelling stuff to suggest it was |
ohfoxxxycole
03.15.12 | dont know much about politics but ive seen things get better under obama so ill vote for him
also i dont like any of the republicans up for nomination, ron paul was okay |
keyboardxmosh
03.15.12 | i love osama brorama |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Like what? The explosions being from the base of the towers? The missing jet at the pentagon? |
ohfoxxxycole
03.15.12 | uh oh weve got a conspiracy theorist here |
ConsiderPhlebas
03.15.12 | It was a long time ago, but I remember reading that the towers were specifically designed to withstand impacts from multiple large aircraft. And something about jet fuel not burning hot enough to melt some of the metal framework. I'm not saying I believe it now, just that not everyone who believed it was a wonky-eyed conspiracy nut. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | I somewhat agree with Phleb.
At the same time, I don't think the government is smart enough to not leave any substantial evidence behind. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Yeah, those are all in the SP episode as well. I can't explain those (nor will try to). I was only 5 when it happened, so I have no memory of the media. Whatever the predictions were, it happened. The Titanic was "unsinkable" as well. There are no conspiracies bout that. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | America is already known as the World's Police force (which isn't a good thing). America wouldn't need to destroy two towers, kill thousands, and attack their own economy/pentagon for some oil (which is what all those theories support). |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | "The Titanic was "unsinkable" as well. There are no conspiracies bout that."
Despite your nonstop barrage of shit that you post, I don't disagree with your point there. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Thanks, glad something I posted made an impact on you. |
ConsiderPhlebas
03.15.12 | I rarely admit it but the South Park ep is what changed my mind, although I've always suspected it's because the alternative is too depressing for words. I've heard people I trust say the theories have been addressed quite thoroughly. I don't believe any act of terrorism warrants the invasion of two countries, because the very act of declaring war essentially transforms the original attack into an act of war too, when it was really a terrible crime.
It's interesting that you mention the Titanic. There are some very engaging theories surrounding the vast impact of both incidents upon the world, been reading about it at uni. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Never seen any titanic ones... but there are insane people everywhere. And I support the war completely. Was Pearl Harbor a terrible crime or a declaration of war. Not many people were against us kickin butt in WWII. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | that had nothing to do with Iraq, if that's what you're implying |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Oh, are you talking about the Gulf War? against Saddam? I'm talking about the unofficial war on terrorism. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | You keep bringing up "the war" without stating what you're talking about. makes you look stupid |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Sorry, I'm assuming the one we are in currently (the one Sonic says Obama ended, which he hasn't). The war on Terrorism. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | If you are talking about "the war on terror", the difference is that in WW2 we had a clear enemy. We do not, now. |
TheFonz123
03.15.12 | @thezehan YEs, christie is worlds better than all the republican candidates. But, I still hate his politics. About the supporting thing haha.
A. I dont support ron paul, becuase Id rather support Obama any day
B. I wont have the oppertunity to support anyone formally seeing as im 15 and will not be legally aloud to vote
C.I do in fact know what a libertarian( i think that's how its spelled) is and Im not one. in terms of policy im very concretely liberal, but I was trying to say that a candidate can be on one side of the spectrum but can also cater to different areas of the spectrum, I think Christie only caters to a certain group of people and other poeple would be pissed.
D. Conspiracy theories are kind of annoying to talk about becuase most likely they will never be proven true and so just influences uncertainty and generates mystery and non-objectivism which I dont like becuase Im a control freak |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | Oh, Thats cool, I thought I was the only 15 year old on here. I'm kinda the opposite though. I'm conservative as all get out. And Obama doesn't meet anyone's spectrums but his own followers either. Libertarians would meet the most people ideals (being a split between both sides). And your liberal, as you said, so of course you wouldn't like Christie just like I wouldn't like Obama. |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | And Maniac!, the singers voice kills the music for me still. The instrumentals are great, but I just can't get past the vocals. |
TheFonz123
03.15.12 | In my humble opinion, The invasion of iraq was one of the most pointless things the U.S. has ever done becuase
A. 9/11 was not iraq's nor any particular countries fault. it was alkeada which doesnt warrant invading one of the countries that organization was hiding in.
B. Supposedly, there was a dispute over oil which I dont think is why we invaded
C. we were trying to help them as a country with their internal disputes over religion but it quite frankly wasnt any of our buisness and we just fucked up the conflict even more by getting involved.
D. Even if the above reasons were valid, you enter a war becuase you want to win. But how were we going to WIN? there wasnt a clear thing we wanted and so using the most powerful military in the world to invade a poverty stricken country was kind of asinine
|
ConsiderPhlebas
03.15.12 | I meant theories surrounding their impact on the world, not conspiracy theories.
I know very little about Pearl Harbor, but the attack was carried out by pilots in uniform, acting
under orders, explicitly representing a country that intended, one can only assume, to start a war
between your country and theirs. It was a monstrous act of war. The maniacs that arranged the
attacks on the WTC were deranged criminals. |
Maniac!
03.15.12 | btw Zehan. Learn to read.
"Sorry, I'm assuming the one we are in currently (the one Sonic says Obama ended, which he hasn't). The war on Terrorism."
"ended the war in iraq"
Which, he did. Now gtfo |
TheFonz123
03.15.12 | "And your liberal, as you said, so of course you wouldn't like Christie just like I wouldn't like Obama"
I suppose that negates the point of discussing politics at all haha. but consider this, Obama is also the opposite of christie. Obama is passive, respectful, and he gave in to the pressure from the republicans more than once. He had ideas, he just lacked the bravery to really execute them. I personally think he was a dissapointment becuase he did very little becuase he tried deal with political part tension civally but there is no place for that in american politics right now. He wasnt agressive about what he wanted so he got torn apart. Christie is brave, aggressive, and does what he thinks is right and doesnt give a fuck what others think. The difference is I feel he has no ideas behind all that swagger. I think they could learn from eachother becuase christie needs to learn how to formulate ideas and obama needs to be less of a pussy |
TheZehan
03.15.12 | I agree Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan shouldn't be our targets, but we can't just stand aside and let the terrorists abuse us. And the 9/11 attacks were a declaration of war from the Terrorists, not Iraq. I agree we shouldn't try to change the Iraqis beliefs, and that's coming from an avid Christian. That would be pointless and I don't agree with that, but the "war" (if I can call it that) is just in my opinion. |
Maniac!
03.16.12 | what the fuck are you talking about, zehan?
Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | @plebas yeah nvm I know someone who always talks about how "george bush planned and was behind 9/11" and constantly tries to shove that crap down everyone's throats which is what I thought you and others were doing. I should have probably read the posts before I spoke lol :) |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | Yeah, politics and religion never make good arguments. The only thing I have to say is I think Christie has ideas, but people think that doing little to nothing (as far as spending goes) is a show of cluelessness and not a deliberate plan. |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | I know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I agree with that. All I'm saying is that we invaded the middle east to attack the TERRORISTS not the IRAQIS or any other arab. |
Maniac!
03.16.12 | That's not what we ended up doing, though |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | That wasn't George Bush's intentions at all. He didn't say "Lets go into Iraq and terrorize Iraqis". He said "We will find those responsible". Which are the terrorists. |
Maniac!
03.16.12 | No... going to Iraq was (theoretically) meant to dethrone Saddam from his dictatorship and to "spread democracy".
the "terrorists" were in Afghanistan. |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | yes to maniacs comments |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | I'm not voting, but I certainly wouldn't vote for GOP candidates due to them being homophobic, anti-women, anti-secular, religious zealots. |
ConsiderPhlebas
03.16.12 | Fonz, I didn't see your post, but no worries. I think Bush might have been behind tying his own shoelaces, that's about it.
Zehan - it's one thing to want the monsters who threaten civilian lives to be brought to justice, and something else to let that justify multiple wars (one on an emotion) where a lot of civilians lose their lives. I know as an American this affects you more than it ever will me, but loving your country doesn't have to mean believing in the actions of the hard-nosed bastards who claw their way to positions of political power. Thinking critically and reading is the best thing anyone can do for their country. |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | Ok, good point. I'm getting my wars mixed up. Saddam was massacring his own people. You know we found him in a gold palace surrounded by his starving people right? And we finished the Gulf War (Iraq War) when we killed Saddam and his sons. The threat is gone, we can leave there. Our job in Afghanistan isn't done yet so.... |
Maniac!
03.16.12 | "Our job in Afghanistan isn't done yet so...."
uh...
yes it is.
The mastermind behind our attack is dead and his supporters ran away in hiding with nothing left to attack us with. |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | I actually likes Bush as a pres. (here comes the hate). I'll admit he effed up Katrina, but he did a better economical job than Obama, and got us in the war against terrorism (which I've said multiple times that I agree with). |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | Well, to counter that point. Obama wanted us out of there BEFORE Osama was killed. |
lancebramsay
03.16.12 | There was no prominent terrorist activity in Iraq prior to the US invasion. Go ahead and amend your response. |
jdennis31
03.16.12 | Has anyones opinion on anything mentioned changed at all |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | "he did a better economical job than Obama"
Didn't Clinton leave a surplus, followed by Bush leading into the recession? |
731
03.16.12 | Zehan |
lancebramsay
03.16.12 | and guess what, Osama wasn't even in Afghanistan. He was killed in Pakistan using an elite Seal team. Definitely didn't need to occupy a whole country to do it. |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | Sorry, I wasn't alive then. I'm going off what we learn in school. |
Maniac!
03.16.12 | "Well, to counter that point. Obama wanted us out of there BEFORE Osama was killed."
Because he was already dying and out of action.
Also so did *somewhere near* 65% of the country |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | I also agree with phlebas. Its more accurate to call his actions as actions by the "bush Administration" becuase really he was a puppet president, he often did what he was told to do by his administration.
and look im an american, but im also an intellectual, and i beleive that America's history has been plagued by the act of making risky decisions as a result of having little experience as a world power. I get patriotism and all that, but our country has made narcissistic and bullying moves towards other countries to the point where most of the countries in the world dont support us. I dont blame them. Also questioning authority respectively helps them to be better as leaders. I think that all I can do or will ever able to do is learn the facts and when I vote make the most educated decision I can. |
Maniac!
03.16.12 | " but he did a better economical job than Obama"
HIS POLICIES CAUSED AN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE YOU DIMWITTED FUCKTARD |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | fox news is a joke and by invading iraq we cuased terrorism. I doubt any ideology can justify a plan simply NOT WORKING |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | I don't think you can call yourself an intellectual. |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | We didn't know where Osama was though, so there was the process of finding him. And Fox news isn't nearly as biased as MSNBC is either. (hear me out). Remember when Obama visited the governor of Arkansas? The governor welcomed him kindly and respectfully when Obama got all pissy about her book and what it says about him. MSNBC interviewed her and wanted an apology for being rude to the president and not showing respect. I don't recall MSNBC respecting Bush too much. That's pretty hypocritical. |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | Obama had to basically pick up after the mess the bush administration cuased. Bush and his guys destroyed the economy and then drove away in a helocopter. Obama had to try his best to fix his mistakes and hes done pretty darn well considering the situation. its just not fair to critisize obama becuase he didnt instananeuously revive the country, the economy and cure fucking aids and cancer |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | "And Fox news isn't nearly as biased as MSNBC is either"
LLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL
|
kris.
03.16.12 | "Originally Posted by TheZehan View Post
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?listid=97012
Annoying political debates. Tired of seeing them/taking part in them. Not sure if this is right, but aren't political debates banned on this site? (especially since this is sputnikMUSIC.com)"
come to list
see poster doing most of the debating
sigh |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | intellectual just means you persue learning and understanding the intellect and try to engage in intellect rather than emotions. I dont think thats such an outragious thing to say |
Tyrannic
03.16.12 | is this real life |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | That's not really what people mean when they call others that. You can read and "pursue learning" and
still be an idiot. Your spelling errors, for example, aren't making your case any stronger. |
jdennis31
03.16.12 | What josh d said x 30 |
ConsiderPhlebas
03.16.12 | The howl of the wolf and the quack of a duck are the only naturally occurring sounds that don't echo |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | Nothing rhymes with orange. I have a boner. |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | well, I was just trying to make a point and I didnt use the word incorrectly so if your objecting to the self indulgence of it that was not the point. |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | I mean your trying to paint a picture of me making a narcissistic comment when that's not really what I said nor what I meant |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | *you're |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | Twice. |
731
03.16.12 | intellectshually speaking, Dildos
Yours Sincerly, |
ConsiderPhlebas
03.16.12 | I can never remember how to spell the word rhyme. I like the movie The Prophecy. |
731
03.16.12 | *You'res Sincerely |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 | look im actually being serious so if you are only interested in instigating people on the internet then im not gonna respond anymore |
TheZehan
03.16.12 | UhhKris, I came back on here after it calmed down from politics. I didn't plan on getting in it again, but sadly, I did. Sorry
for being a hypocrite. And on that note (and these weird posts before), I bid you all a fare adieu.
Cause this has gotten really stupid all of a sudden. Sorry to have our debate ended early Maniac and Fonz. And I love how
no one can comeback from my MSNBC example, but whatevs. C ya on some non-arguement heated thread. |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | ALL MUST BOW BEFORE THE INTELLECTUAL, FOR HE IS AS HE SAYS HE IS: INTELLECTUAL!*
*Warning: people that say that are intellectuals might not be because intellectuals don't call themselves intellectuals, particularly when they clearly don't know the meaning of the word. Proceed at your own risk.
Brought to you by Fox News. |
auberginedreams
03.16.12 | republicans are ignorant assholes and democrats are naive retards. thread closed. |
Maniac!
03.16.12 | I always mess up spelling rhythm the first time I start typing it. I just masturbated. |
TheFonz123
03.16.12 |
in·tel·lec·tu·al
[in-tl-ek-choo-uhl] Show IPA 1.
appealing to or engaging the intellect: intellectual pursuits.
there. alright now im done. this is stupid. |
ConsiderPhlebas
03.16.12 | Rhythm is another one, and necessary. I once ate a chicken sandwich on a plane and the chicken was translucent. |
auberginedreams
03.16.12 | also, fox news and msnbc are both equally corrupt garbage, just on opposite sides of the spectrum. |
Josh D.
03.16.12 | CAST AWAY THE HERETICS, FOR THEY ARE A CURSE UPON THIS ESTABLISHMENT! AN INTELLECTUAL IS IN OUR MIDST; RESPECT IS THE ONLY OPTION! |
lancebramsay
03.16.12 | You'd think that "conservatives" would like to spend as little money as possible, interfere with foreign entities as little as possible, and ultimately have the smallest government possible but that simply isn't the case. Our military is bloated and dragging this nation down. It's clear with Osama that all our military operations can be carried out with elite teams rather than large ground forces. I'd much rather see our military budget being invested in education and infrastructure, imagine how amazing of a country we'd be then. |
Tyrannic
03.16.12 | "And I love how no one can comeback from my MSNBC example, but whatevs."
yeah man, no one really can come back to something that's the equivalent of you shitting on a napkin. |
Maniac!
03.16.12 | I chew my fingernails until my fingers are torn up little stubs. |
Hyperion1001
03.16.12 | i mean all our problems would be solved if women would just learn to shut their mouths amirite? |
auberginedreams
03.16.12 | more like their legs amirite? |
lancebramsay
03.16.12 | fuck that I like fuckin' bitches |
