BallsToTheWall: Burzum Is Dead

BallsToTheWall 01.22.12	Also 1 is pretty badass Iraqi black metal. It's from 2011 but sounds more like the second wave.
Restrikted 01.22.12	lolwut
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	not too impressed with those two albums. you are probably right.
SCREAM! 01.22.12	Amen brotha
R6Rider 01.22.12	he's 40? dude looks way older than 40
MrHotMoms 01.22.12	dude i have been listening to the new cranberries tracks like a fucking BEAST. Every day i just sit around, eat raw meat, lift, and bump "Show Me the Way" and "Tomorrow" till i get a boner. then i fuck every piece of furniture i can find.
BallsToTheWall 01.22.12	You and me both bra.
Rev 01.22.12	I liked Belus :/
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	it was passable. fallen i dont really know what to think about.
Cells 01.22.12	Thats wierd seeing as Fallen was so much better then Belus.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	it was kind of catchy. nice production values but at the same time its kind of gay and not really black metal at all its fine for what it is but...
BallsToTheWall 01.22.12	lacks teh misanthropy
keyboardxmosh 01.22.12	Belus and the re-recordings are awesome. Fallen would be cool if the vocals weren't so flat out bad.
Skrapyard 01.22.12	"its kind of gay and not really black metal at all" So, uh... what is black metal?
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	Von
keyboardxmosh 01.22.12	You're an idiot if you are legitimately denying that new Burzum is black metal, there's literally no argument to support that.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	lol. guy. bands aren't genres. albums/songs/parts of songs are. some bands change genres. some albums change genres. Fallen isn't black metal to me. you guys can call this tree hugging, hippie, elves in the forest, flute playing, la da dee da dee da, whatever shit black metal all you want. It isn't. It's so far from the roots of black metal, putting black metal on it now is just namesake and lineage reasons only.
keyboardxmosh 01.22.12	Chord progressions and vocal styles are not opinions.
keyboardxmosh 01.22.12	It's so far from the roots of black metal? It's one of the pioneers of the genre playing the same style he's been playing since the '90s. Tell me what's so very different from his new material and Filosofem that it's clearly a completely different style of music.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	im pretty sure Fallen has clean vocals last time i listened...
keyboardxmosh 01.22.12	Wow, the first thing you could actually point out and it's practically negligible, bravo, your argument sucks and isn't rooted in reality. Come back when you've been listening to black metal for more than three months.
Cells 01.22.12	I somewhat agree with you Valerius. I feel like he has improved his whispery vocals and song writing skills throughout Belus and Fallen and I like it quite alot but he is running off the path that is Black Metal. I wanna here more basic black metal riffs and intense screams from Hvis and Filosofem.
BallsToTheWall 01.22.12	It's so far from the roots of black metal? It's one of the pioneers of the genre playing the same style he's been playing since the '90s. Tell me what's so very different from his new material and Filosofem that it's clearly a completely different style of music. I don't even................................not getting started on this. I hope.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	not to mention recycled riffs
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	AAAAHHHHHAAAAHAHAHA JEG FALLER please
Cells 01.22.12	lol
keyboardxmosh 01.22.12	"I don't even................................not getting started on this. I hope." You don't even comprehend what you're hearing is what you meant? "not to mention recycled riffs" Repeated themes could be argued as good or poor songwriting, depending on the writer, I personally think Varg repeats riffs for the sake of repetition, atmosphere, and an overall connectivity of his work, though I could be wrong.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	I'm talking bout the riffs off fallen taken right from hvis lyset tar oss. hes running out of ideas and riffs, and hes straying too far from black metal.
Cells 01.22.12	Which riffs from Fallen sound like Hvis
BallsToTheWall 01.22.12	http://www.metalsucks.net/2011/02/08/exclusive-burzum-launches-clothing-line/
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	Jeg Faller 2:35 in Inn i slottet fra drømmen 5:00 in that riff is the same final epic closing riff from Hvis Lset Tar Oss can't be assed to point out any more. got better music to jam atm.
BallsToTheWall 01.22.12	Burzum yoga pants M///
keyboardxmosh 01.22.12	"I'm talking bout the riffs off fallen taken right from hvis lyset tar oss. hes running out of ideas and riffs, and hes straying too far from black metal." He's straying too far from black metal, via utilizing themes from his black metal material? Okay, it's official that you're an idiot.
Cells 01.22.12	lol a burzum fitted
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	this idiot just kicked your ass all over this thread
Cells 01.22.12	"Jeg Faller 2:35 in Inn i slottet fra drømmen 5:00 in" They're kinda similar. Even if they are that doesnt mean hes recycling riffs unless youre intentionally trying to disregard the other riffs in that song and in the entire album.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	when he recycles one of the best riffs from his best album and front loads it in his newest album i think hes out of riffs, my man.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.22.12	its fine...lol..whatever...you can listen to Fallen...and I can listen to Hvis Lyset Tar Oss. it's a win/win situation
Cells 01.22.12	"when he recycles one of the best riffs from his best album and front loads it in his newest album i think hes out of riffs, my man." Except its not one of the best riffs from his best album and its not being front loaded into his newest album. Like what the fuck are you saying lol, you are literally disregarding the other riffs in that song and not just that, acting as if thats the main one used. Let me see one that is similar to the one in s/t Hvis or Det som and then i'll be complaining. And in reality many artists "recycle" riffs or previously used sounds to an extent and to say Burzum is now recycling his riffs to an overwhelming extent is retarded.
keyboardxmosh 01.22.12	"this idiot just kicked your ass all over this thread" Please point out where this happened.
Skrapyard 01.23.12	I can buy all your posts, Valerius, since you pointed out that you don't care what we call black metal, as you'll ultimately define it by yourself for yourself, I figured I'd take a look at your logic anyway, to see how well you are really thinking this through. "lol. guy. bands aren't genres. albums/songs/parts of songs are. some bands change genres. some albums change genres." Um... right. If you're saying that Burzum's newer albums, such as Fallen, are not 'black metal,' but rather something else, you imply a boundary between what is and what is not - the term encompasses a certain subset of artists based on some criteria. Let’s poke around for some of those: "Fallen isn't black metal to me. you guys can call this tree hugging, hippie, elves in the forest, flute playing, la da dee da dee da, whatever shit black metal all you want." Hm... Is this tree-hugging music? Hippie music? Elves in the forest music? (Does flute playing disbar a band from being black metal? Have you even heard Bergtatt? Or Dark Medieval Times?) I may have missed some online info (or translations), but by the looks of things the ideas behind Fallen and Belus are nothing new to Burzum music – mythology and fantasy. Not to mention the obvious fact that Varg, radical right that he is, is without a doubt anti-hippie...
Skrapyard 01.23.12	“It's so far from the roots of black metal, putting black metal on it now is just namesake and lineage reasons only.” Oh, so black metal means sticking to its roots. What roots? The early Norwegian stuff? Wasn’t that rooted in more thrash-y music? Is black metal then just poseur thrash metal? No? Well then when does it become okay to depart from one’s ‘roots’? You’re arguing yourself into a hole. Black metal has always been just a namesake and heritage, just like every other genre of music, period. You don’t get to choose what tag to slap on, the artist does, because it is he or she or they who choose to engage that lineage during the creative process. (Granted, some are just stupid and seem to accidentally misrepresent themselves... coughDephosphoruscough). “im pretty sure Fallen has clean vocals last time i listened...” Ah, this looks a bit more promising. Oh wait, Dark Medieval Times had synthesized clean vocals, if I’m not mistaken. Bergtatt might’ve even had real ones. Emperor uses ‘em. Urfaust, too. Guess that doesn’t work either. “not to mention recycled riffs” Recycled riffs = not black metal? I think this one speaks for itself. (Have you even heard Gorgoroth?)
Skrapyard 01.23.12	Oh, and regarding that 'recycled riff'............. U got ears bro?
keyboardxmosh 01.23.12	Hahahahaha, if we had rep I'd pos you so hard bro.
linchpin313 01.23.12	Burzum should have died at birth.
Oathbreaker 01.23.12	Valerious, you've been getting your ass kicked all over the thread by everyone it seems.
Timmons 01.23.12	jihad against islam xD
keyboardxmosh 01.23.12	I'm gonna listen to Belus now. Fallen sucked nuts.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	Bergtatt has enough quality black metal in it to be a good album. Dark Medieval Times does not. The roots of black metal go back to 1982. Black metal isn't a namesake and heritage. Gorgoroth is damn good. You've already asked me if I have heard several bands, when if you even browsed the forums you would have seen I have. Last time I checked I was showing you albums you haven't heard. Yeah, I have ears, very good ones in fact. You would have to be deaf not to hear the similarity in the riffs I showed. And I'm sorry you are asshurt, faggot. You can cry and bitch and scream and moan all you want. It won't change the fact you are listening to faggot metal.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	And you take things too point for point and you don't get the overall picture. Clean vocals don't have to be gay. But Fallen is. If you are trying to tell me Jeg Faller isn't gay, then you need to take a long hard look at the skirt you have on.
BallsToTheWall 01.23.12	So much hatred, now this is black metal. KNIFE FIGHT KNIFE FIGHT
Sevhead 01.23.12	satanburnchurchescutmyself
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	be right back, need to get my flute
Vesper 01.23.12	"If you are trying to tell me Jeg Faller isn't gay, then you need to take a long hard look at the skirt you have on." Ah, the stereotypical metalhead's last line of defense. When you lose an argument, turn to homophobic and sexist insults.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	Vesper, you don't have testicles, what the fuck do you know about manly stuff
Vesper 01.23.12	And you don't have a vagina. What do you know about skirts? Goddamn comfortable, they are.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	you don't have slayer, kreator, morbid saint rated. absolutely fucking nothing
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	listen to that shit and rate it before you attempt to tell me about killer shit
Vesper 01.23.12	Dude, you only have Necrophobic rated. By your logic, you should shut the fuck up.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	I could probably name 100 albums that would grow hair on your chest
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	i can't help if they keep banning me.
Vesper 01.23.12	That you characterize metal in terms of gender is already laughable, but, go ahead and list these albums, and I'll let you know if my hair follicles get all tingly and such. And maybe if you didn't go swinging your machismo dick about in threads, you wouldn't get banned.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	you don't even have morbid angel rated, no point
Hyperion1001 01.23.12	dont feed the raven vesper
AngelofDeath 01.23.12	Belus and Fallen are not good. /thread
Vesper 01.23.12	Hey, look, I've finally gotten around to rating their LPs. IS MY OPINION VALID NOW??? I know, Hype, but it's amusing to see dumbasses floundering like this.
Apollo 01.23.12	hey look, a bunch of basement dwelling retards arguing about what's black metal and what's not
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	I'm glad you find me amusing. The last thing I want to be is boring.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	"You can rob me. You can starve me and you can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me!" a manly movie
keyboardxmosh 01.23.12	Apollo take into consideration that Valerius is just making things up about what constitutes black metal because he's 14 and desperately wants people to think he's elite.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.23.12	14, lol. I was 14 in 1991. over 20 years ago
Skrapyard 01.24.12	“Bergtatt has enough quality black metal in it to be a good album. Dark Medieval Times does not. The roots of black metal go back to 1982. Black metal isn't a namesake and heritage. Gorgoroth is damn good. You've already asked me if I have heard several bands, when if you even browsed the forums you would have seen I have. Last time I checked I was showing you albums you haven't heard. Yeah, I have ears, very good ones in fact. You would have to be deaf not to hear the similarity in the riffs I showed. And I'm sorry you are asshurt, faggot. You can cry and bitch and scream and moan all you want. It won't change the fact you are listening to faggot metal.” Ah, yes, the classic metalhead comeback. ‘I know more bands than you do, and your music sounds gay. You’re gay. Gay gay gay gay gay.’ I’m struck by the hilarity of your response, considering the fact that you have not actually addressed my arguments in the least. You compare Bergtatt and DMT in terms of the amount of ‘quality black metal’ they contain, but have yet to actually come up with any kind of substance to define that term, let alone ‘black metal’ itself. Ooh, you’ve cited a year! You trve old fan, you! It doesn’t matter what year started it all or gave birth to what is recognizable as black metal today, because that’s all going to be up for debate – from what did said roots arise? And theirs? Theirs? You see? It’s entirely a matter of lineage, and namesake in the sense that the term originated at one point and spawned its own lineage then. Sure, Gorgoroth is good (though personally I think they started declining after Under the Sign of Hell), but that’s totally irrelevant. Additionally, you clearly don’t have an eye for sarcasm, which is sad, considering I repeated the same joke with the exact same phrasing twice, merely substituting band names (pretty obvious, I think) – of course you’ve heard of them all, otherwise it’d be waste of my time to even engage you in this discussion. You have the background, you just don’t think about what you’re saying/typing... and still don’t, evidently. You rec’ing me albums (chances are I’d already heard of them) does not affirm any kind of superiority – I’m positive I could rattle of some black metal bands you would both enjoy and find ‘real’ or ‘true,’ whatever that means... you have yet to come up with a good answer.
Skrapyard 01.24.12	Are those riffs similar? Absolutely. The same? No. As I pointed out, Gorgoroth is in a similar boat, but you think they’re good, so clearly the similarity itself cannot be responsible for Fallen being non-black metal – that was my point. Since you seem bent on insulting me for loving Fallen, I’ll come out and say that I think it’s decent at best (better than Belus, in my opinion), so you can stop attempting to assert your metal superiority through taste-based insults. As far as all of the homophobic comments go... well, I don’t really find them offensive. Homosexuality isn’t inherently negative, and your spewing the word ‘faggot’ only serves to illustrate your laughably limited vocabulary and inability to actually discuss the ideas at hand. Next: “And you take things too point for point and you don't get the overall picture. Clean vocals don't have to be gay. But Fallen is. If you are trying to tell me Jeg Faller isn't gay, then you need to take a long hard look at the skirt you have on.” Okay, so what’s the overall picture? Gay = clean vocals + ........................................ I’m telling you Jeg Faller isn’t ‘gay’ because there isn’t anything ‘gay’ about it – sure, it’s pretty bad as far as Burzum’s work goes, but you can’t seem to say much beyond that, and you can’t even articulate why you feel that way (save for your excruciatingly invalid point about its clean vocals). Again, I am forced to ask why you don’t think Fallen is a black metal album, as you have yet to tell me why.... Unless of course anything ‘gay’ is not black metal. In that case, I’m forced to ask how you come to define an album as ‘gay.’ I’m sure you’ll find it difficult.
Skrapyard 01.24.12	Some other points: “you don't have slayer, kreator, morbid saint rated. absolutely fucking nothing” You’re a sad fucking loser if you make sure you’ve rated every album you’ve ever heard (I see that you don’t. That’s good.). Get a life. Those are all great bands but frankly, I have better things to do. And Vesper pretty much covered the self-defeating aspect of this line. “I could probably name 100 albums that would grow hair on your chest” I realize this is obviously not meant to be taken literally, but who the fuck cares if an album sounds manly? Masculinity, while pretty much impossible to objectively assign to a piece of music unless you’re a raging sexist and conservative fool, can’t serve as a standard of quality unless you are that same fool. No wonder so many people on this website are fucking terrible with women... “Belus and Fallen are not good. /thread” Valerius, I think this is what is getting your goat more than anything else. You’ve utterly failed to contribute to any kind of fruitful discussion or debate as to what constitutes black metal, resorting to skirting the issues at hand and flinging gender- and sexuality-based insults that don’t carry any weight with me or, I expect, most other thoughtful individuals on this website. As you resort to them, you mark clearly your exclusion from that group. “14, lol. I was 14 in 1991. over 20 years ago” Sigh... Again, meaningless. So you’re old. That’s cool. I would expect you to be a bit more worldly and intelligent at this point in your life, but alas...
NWOAHM666 01.24.12	When I saw 1... ...I felt like... ...like if... ...if the world... ...was just like... ...turning the tables... ...the tables of... ...of religious intolerance... ...forever. DUDE BURNING MOSQUES IS FTW
NWOAHM666 01.24.12	This is most likely a product of the American invasion, gotta see that in MA.
Vesper 01.24.12	Holy wall of text, Skrappy. http://cdn.overclock.net/9/93/93a29064_Slow-Clap.gif
AngelofDeath 01.24.12	Such ill-placed effort. Would've saved a lot of time just to call him a loose-sphinctered fag muffin.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.24.12	pretty much. tldr
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.24.12	seeds of iblis is worth a listen. not that great but interesting. 2 female members. and arabians against islam? win
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.24.12	lol that fucking katharsis blows though. holy shit
AngelofDeath 01.24.12	Best things on here are 2 and 5.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.24.12	agreed, but 5 is the best
AngelofDeath 01.24.12	Yeah, probably.
ValeriusTheImmortal 01.24.12	you know what demo is even better than that though, angel?
AngelofDeath 01.24.12	Lots.