SnazSpaz
11.19.11 | I have heard it both ways several times on this site, amazing album, just curious if it is or is not. |
wabbit
11.19.11 | It's just rock & roll
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geng
11.19.11 | Supposedly the concept is that a man wakes up to discover he's the only human being left alive on the planet, and the album goes through what he feels, or something like that. Personally I've never really understood how it fits the music, but I've never analysed it that deeply. Stunning album though. |
Uranium
11.19.11 | it's your life. do some acid and walk around. you'll soon understand. |
sniper
11.19.11 | no the first human to ever be cloned |
geng
11.19.11 | The cloning thing makes more sense. |
dammets
11.19.11 | It kinda has a theme I guess. I dunno |
wabbit
11.19.11 | guys it's just 10 pop songs. I don't know why people feel the need to make it into anything more than that. |
Uranium
11.19.11 | not pop |
UnnamedOcean
11.19.11 | It's Radiohead, so nobody really knows exactly what it is. Half the lyrics were just picked at random out of a hat in some cases. |
pedroia55
11.19.11 | i think it is |
sniper
11.19.11 | "not pop"
lol are you retarded? |
InAbsentia
11.19.11 | No. I don't think it is. But it does follow the same atmosphere. |
wabbit
11.19.11 | when you sell out wembley stadium I'm pretty sure that means you're making pop music. |
InAbsentia
11.19.11 | popular ≠ pop |
sniper
11.19.11 | ummm pop music is the term we use to distinguish between classical/jazz/art music and everything else. radiohead is definitely pop music. |
Uranium
11.19.11 | "when you sell out wembley stadium I'm pretty sure that means you're making pop music"
LOL nice logic |
wabbit
11.19.11 | what sniper said. I'll admit radiohead does draw a lot more influence from classical and jazz music than most bands but it's still pop music |
Trebor.
11.19.11 | I wrote a story for it so yeah |
geng
11.19.11 | In the original sense of the term "pop music" then yes Radiohead would come under that, but I think it's fair to say that "pop" has developed a secondary definition which applies to a certain style or certain styles of music. |
sniper
11.19.11 | they hardly take any influence from classical jazz. no improvisation, no intentional and methodical arrangement of motivic/thematic material, they probably don't even write their music down. |
UnnamedOcean
11.19.11 | They are a very well-known band. Not "pop" in the genre sense. Like indie, pop has become more of a genre than a way of going about music. |
sniper
11.19.11 | but yes pop music can mean various things i guess, but even then radiohead is still pop music because idk if you know this or anything but THEY'RE A FUCKING HOUSEHOLD NAME they "sell out wembley stadium" etc. |
sniper
11.19.11 | "indie" is just as popular as the kind of music you're referring to as "pop" |
Uranium
11.19.11 | "that "pop" has developed a secondary definition which applies to a certain style or certain styles of music"
Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Justin Timberlake... |
SnazSpaz
11.19.11 | So it is? |
sniper
11.19.11 | we're still deliberating |
Acanthus
11.19.11 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_A
Answers all the questions, with sources. |
pedroia55
11.19.11 | Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Radiohead, Justin Timberlake |
SnazSpaz
11.19.11 | So either it is, it is not, or it could be, maybe that is the beauty of it, an album with several different interpretations. |
Uranium
11.19.11 | "Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Radiohead, Justin Timberlake"
Is this 'a pick the one that doesn't belong' question? Ooo I love this game! |
VicariousIntent
11.19.11 | You guys are fucking retarded. |
wabbit
11.19.11 | it's not a concept album. Concept albums are almost always incredibly awful.
I mean have you heard dredg- el cielo... no thanks I stick with good music. |
VicariousIntent
11.19.11 | Unless you're trolling, I can never tell. |
wabbit
11.19.11 | "5 classic
A Perfect Circle Thirteenth Step
This album is nothing short of...beautiful. The entire concept of the album is just pulled off flawlessly by the lyrics, my personal favorite part about the album. The album's guitar is hypnotizing and dreamy, and alongside Maynard's perfect vocal delivery on every track, the whole album helps to construct an atmosphere for you...one you may be all too familiar with. APC has pulled off a creative concept album while still managing to make it something people can relate with. Kudos to them for being able to do this...it's certainly helped me through many a tough time." |
sniper
11.19.11 | who? |
VicariousIntent
11.19.11 | You can go to my ratings if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you're fucking idiot and you're arguing over the most trivial shit I've ever seen in my life. It's an argument for the sake of argument, and you're just being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. |
steadyriot
11.19.11 | Yeah i agree that Kid A has more of a theme than a story/ thought out concept.
Ive heard it as starting w/ OK Computer as the peak of technology/ seeing it in a negative light
Kid A is kinda post apocolptic land/ 1984ish senario
Amnesiac is the world burning.
Or go with the idea that Kid A and Amnesiac's cover are based off the setting.
As for the pop 'debate', come on you fucking dipshit hipsters. Stop pretending listening to good music and buy the new AttackAttack album. Seriously, Radiohead isn't signed to a major label. They have full creative control over all their works, they dont flaunt around at celebrity gatherings, all their songs are self written and they dont have producers and 5 cowriters per song.
Ok, but seriously- anyone who says they dont like radiohead or lumps them in with pop is 1. Lying 2. Hipster 3. Mentally retared 4. Enjoys arguing over the internet for no reason 5. Trying to be deep by saying something with no backing (see 2). |
sniper
11.19.11 | i don't give a fuck if they're on a major label. pop music isn't a term that refers to talentless hacks exclusively you stupid fucking cunt. they have 500,000 followers on twitter. thom yorke is an icon. they're popular and critically acclaimed. |
steadyriot
11.19.11 | It's Radiohead, so nobody really knows exactly what it is. Half the lyrics were just picked at random out of a hat in some cases.
Naw, he actually wrote the verses then cut up the lines and mixed up the order of the lines with the hat sometimes combining a couple 'songs' into one |
VicariousIntent
11.19.11 | No one is arguing with the fact that they are popular, they're arguing with the fact that you're calling them pop, which they see as meaning something different than what you do. I'm sure you see both sides of the argument. |
Uranium
11.19.11 | Yes they're pop in the sense they're popular. There is no way in hell they are pop in the sense of music. I would say alternative rock/ experimental. To call them pop (besides fucking creep) is a disgrace, i'm sorry. |
steadyriot
11.19.11 | Let the hipster hate radiohead, in 3 years theyll be out of our scene and onto the next fad
Definition of 'pop music' :commercially recorded music, often oriented toward a youth market, usually consisting of relatively short, simple songs utilizing technological innovations to produce new variations on existing themes
1. No- anyone heard anything past Ok computer on any hit radio station? (if so i envy the city you grew up on)
2. No, they have a fairly mature audience and sing about 'grownup' themes
3. No, many of their biggest 'hits' are over 5 minutes long
4. No, (explaination clearly not needed)
so to summarize, radiohead meets 0/4 of the requirements of pop music, and anyone who thinks they are is a fucking hipster who doesnt know what the fuck theyre talking about. |
RooseveltsGhost
11.19.11 | Anyone ign'ant enough to call Radiohead pop music isn't going to be convinced by reasoned arguments and specific definitions like that. Nice try, though. |
SnazSpaz
11.19.11 | Just picture them playing Everything Is In Its Right Place after a Lady Gaga song, not going to happen as it should not. |
sniper
11.19.11 | i like radiohead, moron. once again, pop as a term refers to music with wide appeal, as opposed to art music that developed out of the tradition of classical music. many people still refer to jazz as pop music. you use the term hipster as if its proof that i don't know anything but its pretty clear you're the one who's ignorant and speaking on subjects you have no knowledge of. |
sniper
11.19.11 | "Nice try, though." |
steadyriot
11.19.11 | lol i love a good troll as much as anyone, but come on- youre just coming off as a dipshit tool. cut your losses now, bro. |
sniper
11.19.11 | Popular music belongs to any of a number of musical genres "having wide appeal" and is typically distributed to large audiences through the music industry. It stands in contrast to both art music and traditional music, which are typically disseminated academically or orally to smaller, local audiences. |
steadyriot
11.19.11 | hey, you forgot acouple sentences
Popular music belongs to any of a number of musical genres "having wide appeal" [1] and is typically distributed to large audiences through the music industry. It stands in contrast to both art music [2][3][4] and traditional music, which are typically disseminated academically or orally to smaller, local audiences.[2][3][4] Although popular music sometimes is known as "pop music", the two terms are not interchangeable. Popular music is a generic term for music of all ages that appeals to popular tastes,[5] whereas pop music usually refers to a specific musical genre.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music)
sucks to be you |
sniper
11.19.11 | ;) |
sniper
11.19.11 | for the record i still consider them pop music. they're accessible enough that even my mom likes them |
UnnamedOcean
11.19.11 | Well this is just about the most fucking idiotic debate I have seen on here in a while. Grow the fuck
up you children. |
RooseveltsGhost
11.19.11 | So before the radio catapulted Bruno Mars or OneRepublic into superstardom, they wrote, what, indie or something? Classifying the music by hours of radio play or cumulative requests or record sales seems superfluous when obviously there are certain traits of the music itself, not the effects that popularity has on it, that are more basic causes of the music eventually being labeled "pop". |
Eko
11.19.11 | yes
where's Pit, he needs to straighten things out in here |
Itwasthatwas
11.19.11 | steadyriot, Sniper is absolutely right about the distinction between pop music and art music according to historical musicologists. But it doesn't matter, because historical musicology is pretty much an outdated and irrelevant field. It was pretty stupid to bring it up since it was obvious that people were referring to the connotation of pop as a genre |
steadyriot
11.19.11 | Yeah it was. Plus that seems like a pretty archaic definition. From my brief looking into it it seems that at least 90% of what is considered 'indie music' would fall under that vague definition of pop. Even modern folk music doesn't fit into the original definition of folk and would be considered at best at pop-folk fusion. Art music seems like it would be reserved for very very few acts (if any 'bands') in modern society.
idk just some quick thoughts haha |
wabbit
11.19.11 | you guys probably don't know the difference between beetles and beatles. |
SnazSpaz
11.19.11 | So back to it being a concept album, jk,but I like how the original argument spawned a way bigger one. |
Deviant.
11.19.11 | If this thread shows anything it'll be rabbit trying to play the "your 5's suck and I'm gonna show them to everyone" game and failing miserably |
steadyriot
11.19.11 | lol yeah there should be a rule against that, but rabbit's use failed more than that dumb technique usually does |
Eko
11.19.11 | when does the "your 5's suck and I'm gonna show them to everyone" game ever not fail miserably? |
Relinquished
11.19.11 | only when rasputin does it works |
SnazSpaz
11.20.11 | lol |
