TheArkitecht
10.02.11 | I hear quite a few breakdowns in Converge's music. |
1337Kellx
10.02.11 | Converges' are so subtle you don't really notice them. Like the last few seconds of concubine is considered a breakdown. But I still don't know how they turned into what they are today |
Relinquished
10.02.11 | well the breakdowns aren't binary so idk if that was what you were hoping to find |
omnipanzer
10.02.11 | Hahahahahahahaha
ohhh
Haha |
eternium
10.02.11 | Maybe it's because those bands use breakdowns with a purpose in that they actually flow with the song and make sense.
Other bands just throw in random breakdowns that don't belong and that's when you really notice and get sick of them. |
SmokingTheClouds
10.02.11 | You have honestly never heard Converge play a breakdown... really? |
ApplicationToHeaven
10.02.11 | so youre one of those retards that thinks a breakdown has to be a deathcore-esque breakdown? |
anarchistfish
10.02.11 | Breakdowns are a metalcore thing. listen to stuff like tdwp to get the idea. converge are far away enough from that kind of metalcore not to use them much |
Relinquished
10.02.11 | anarchistfish makes the dumbest post of the day |
anarchistfish
10.02.11 | Mostly a metalcore thing. but listen to the saddest day. that has a breakdown |
AlonsoHarris
10.02.11 | EMMURE ROCKS BRO!!!!!!!!!! |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | Nah, I just fail to see how breakdowns are something supposedly taken from hardcore, while they play a rather marginal role in their music. Converge is about other stuff than breakdowns. And I haven't heard Tragedy play a single one, and they're probably like the best hardcore punk band post 2000. |
eternium
10.02.11 | Converge uses breakdowns all the fucking time, what is wrong with you people? |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | Those shitty metalcore bands of today do indeed play breakdowns, and with no musical purpose either. But I just can't see how they are a thing traceable back to hardcore punk. Hardcore punk seems like a heavier, faster and sadder sounding punk to me, no breakdowns to be found anywhere. So how did breakdowns come to define metalcore? O_o |
Relinquished
10.02.11 | breakdowns had always existed in music before metalcore, before rock and blues, and even before that. to say otherwise shows you don't know shit about music. |
TheArkitecht
10.02.11 | ^^^what Relinquished said. |
Relinquished
10.02.11 | "So how did breakdowns come to define metalcore?"
it's not what defines it, but it made its way into the formula. metalcore breakdowns had shifted from something like Temple From the Within's breakdown to simplified palm-muted barred chord riffs that are slowed down from the tempo. |
jefflebowski
10.02.11 | Dude, Beethoven's music has breakdowns |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | You not being able to figure out what obvious kind of breakdowns I'm talking about shows you have your own dicks way too deep up your asses. |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | "metalcore breakdowns had shifted from something like Temple From the Within's breakdown to simplified palm-muted barred chord riffs that are slowed down from the tempo."
Ok, but why call it "metalcore" then? What's it got in common with hardcore? |
Relinquished
10.02.11 | if you heard early metalcore then you'd know why |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | I've heard early metalcore and it's the precise reason why I don't know why. |
ShadowRemains
10.02.11 | METALlic hardCORE |
anarchistfish
10.02.11 | Edit: phone's so shit |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | I mean I know why Integrity is called metalcore. You listen to it and "metalcore" seems logical. I was talking about modern bands who play a poor excuse at thrash/heavy/whatever with those annoying mosh breakdowns. How does this liken them to hardcore bands or early metallic hardcore bands? |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | You didn't read the discussion, did you Shadowremains? O_o |
ShadowRemains
10.02.11 | "Ok, but why call it "metalcore" then? What's it got in common with hardcore?"
that was in response to this comment |
Relinquished
10.02.11 | "I was talking about modern bands who play a poor excuse at thrash/heavy/whatever with those annoying mosh breakdowns. How does this liken them to hardcore bands or early metallic hardcore bands?"
in time they just started to be labelled that way. big difference from then and now obviously but if you see the in-between then you'll see why it came to be that way. idk somewhere around early 00's the open palm riffing came to be a common element, and (from what I'm guessing) that was what people were most influence by and wanted to sound like, the next shadows fall or god forbid. now people are trying to be the next devil wears prada or whatever shitty band. |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | Ok, let me phrase my question one more time. What I was asking about was why do MODERN bands like Atreyu, A7X or Asking Alexandria get called metalcore, while they're not half as abrasive as hardcore punk, don't utilize drum patterns characteristic of punk and use clean singing more reminescent of teen rock bands than of hardcore punk. Moreover, why the breakdowns that are the STAPLE of band categorization into metalcore these days, didn't play a bigger role in hardcore and actual metalcore bands' music than they did in say, Metallica's? That's what confuses me. Metallic hardcore sounds like a mix of hardcore and metal, while today's metalcore is just metal with too many breakdowns and immature lyrical themes. Why the transition? How is this breakdown abuse "hardcore" in any way? |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | ok, thanks Relinquished. you're definitely on to something. |
Relinquished
10.02.11 | just read this http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/metalcore |
ShadowRemains
10.02.11 | lmfao |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | I hadn't refreshed my page while writing that long comment, mind you. |
XfingTheSullen
10.02.11 | And no, it's not "obvious". Metallic hardcore and the modern mockery are nothing alike. |
Spec
10.02.11 | well the breakdowns aren't binary so idk if that was what you were hoping to find
Fucking lol. |
eternium
10.02.11 | Music evolves and changes. Does that explain anything? |
FearThyEvil
10.02.11 | This is honestly one of the dumbest lists I've ever come across. |
Mewcopa0
10.03.11 | 0000000 =/= Breakdown
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Ire
10.03.11 | lol axe to fall is all breakdown
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ThespianLesbian
10.03.11 | A breakdown is just a break in the music, usually in half time
What your thinking of is chugging single note breakdowns
These are aren't mutually exclusive |
YetAnotherBrick
10.03.11 | Breakdowns are the "metal" in metalcore. Well, not all of it, but that is a trait that mostly came from metal, and not hardcore. |
ThespianLesbian
10.03.11 | breakdowns came from hardcore dude
There are no breakdowns in megadeth and stuff |
YetAnotherBrick
10.03.11 | Actually, there is, bro. Maybe not super obvious/gimmicky like in modern metalcore/deathcore, but they're there. They're especially prevalent in old-school death metal. |
tkxxx7
10.03.11 | "Breakdowns are the "metal" in metalcore."
what |
YetAnotherBrick
10.03.11 | Do people seriously not know this? lol |
Relinquished
10.03.11 | they don't know that because that's wrong |
HeyBrosef
10.03.11 | there are breakdowns in their songs, theyre just not the one note chugs that you hear in shitty metalcore today. |
YetAnotherBrick
10.03.11 | That doesn't make any sense, Relinquished. How can it being wrong be the reason WHY they don't know that? |
whywontyoudie
10.03.11 | what the fuck is going on here |
YetAnotherBrick
10.03.11 | mindfuck |
YetAnotherBrick
10.03.11 | relinquished i hope you know i'm not being serious with that last comment lol |
someguest
10.03.11 | guys can you help me find the vocals in acapella songs I know they're in there somewhere |
YetAnotherBrick
10.03.11 | ^ hahahaha |
Hyperion1001
10.03.11 | this thread makes my head hurt |
FearThyEvil
10.03.11 | A breakdown is just a break in the music, usually in half time
What your thinking of is chugging single note breakdowns
These are aren't mutually exclusive
I was about to put this. |
Yuma310
10.03.11 | Dude, Beethoven's music has breakdowns[2] |
climactic
10.03.11 | metalcore used to sound like hardcore punk, then over time grew into it's own genre. simple as that. it's not like metalcore automatically = metal + breakdowns |
Trebor.
10.03.11 | Listen to Shai Hulud and you will see the light |
Inveigh
10.03.11 | idk why they call in flames death metal they don't even sing about dying |
Trebor.
10.03.11 | lol detriment
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XfingTheSullen
10.06.11 | Sputnik, you're ever so helpful. |
ShadowRemains
10.07.11 | "idk why they call in flames death metal they don't even sing about dying"
rofl |
Donchivo
09.03.13 | metalcore = cheesyness, immature topics and pretentiousness of metal and overly simplistic songwriting and dumb straight forwardness from hardcore.
Thats why its called metalcore, It's the just worst of both worlds.
and yeah metalcore breakdowns are maybe the hardcore take of doing slower and varied passages in extreme metal... |
Kman418
09.03.13 | wtf is going on in here |
SpiritCrusher2
09.03.13 | dafuq did I just read |
demigod!
09.03.13 | every time the music slows down suddenly but remains heavy, it's a breakdown. happens all the time on Converge and Integrity's albums so ya |
Spag
09.03.13 | where da breakdowns at yo. |
tkxxx7
09.03.13 | Donchivo, why did you bring this back. why |
FearThyEvil
09.03.13 | Seriously, why? It's 2 years old. |
Trebor.
09.03.13 | This guy thinks a breakdown has to be binary yeah
a break down is just when you break down the song duh |
tkxxx7
09.03.13 | to someone who doesn't know what "breaking down" means (which was this guy's actual problem), you aren't really helping |
Smial
09.03.13 | Oh my god my bellybutton lint is going haywire trying to read this shit. can't we all just come together and admit Sputnik is not the best wikipedia? |
JokineAugustus
09.03.13 | The best band ever has quite a few breakdowns |
XfingTheSullen
09.04.13 | Shai Hulud, Counterparts and Misery Signals don't play too many either. Even if they do, more apparent hardcore punk influences are well... apparent. |
Permabanned
09.04.13 | The number one reason why metalcore is such an abominable offense to all music is the queefy guaged-eared "bro are you angsty bro? Im angsty too bro, lets whine about it together (but we're still tough guys)" image, and chuggah chuggah breakdowns are a part of this pathetic image |
XfingTheSullen
09.04.13 | Well, typical deathcore bros make themselves look very alpha. Probably overcompensating for some insecurities. Not too intelligent either, on average. There's plenty of sweet music in the genre though, you just need to know where to look |
