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TheNotrap 09.13.11	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irx_QXsJiao Guys I’m not American but this Tea Party speech really worries me. List is more or less my current playlist.
acorncheese 09.13.11	ya link doesn't work, hoss
americanmusicmachine 09.13.11	wat's ya profile pic of it looks familiar. don't 'cha worry ya little head bout the tea party they're just militia types with a catchier name, so worst case scenario they blow up a federal building and kill 150 people. oh wait...
Jethro42 09.13.11	Ah...no Tea Party ranking on here. Profile pic is taken from the movie of Pink Floyd The Wall, pretty sure.
pizzamachine 09.13.11	Ah...no Tea Party ranking on here [2]
omnipanzer 09.13.11	I love tea.
TheNotrap 09.13.11	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irx_QXsJiao Hope this work
TheNotrap 09.13.11	The movie title is Tea Party Crowd Cheers Letting Uninsured Die
MasBarHigeuoris21 09.13.11	The tea party are just the KKK without the robes and hoods. They just want to keep this country whyte
DominionMM1 09.13.11	Not to mention that fact that they believe only landowners should be able to vote.
anarchistfish 09.13.11	The Republicans are bad enough but that the most influential country in the world has a movement such as the Tea Party as big as it is is worrying
Inveigh 09.13.11	well see the Tea Party is just this hilarious little faction of hypocrites who all believe the same way then refuse to admit they're a even a group For instance Rick Perry believes in all of the staples of the Tea Party (abortion should be illegal, we should amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage, global warming is scientifically viable yet the laziness of blacks and mexicans is scientifically proven, etc.), yet won't admit to actually being a member of the Tea Party. He has, however, admitted to tasting some mushroom tea in college. But he didn't swallow.
TheNotrap 09.13.11	I'm an outsider but I believe the Tea Party is going stronger day by day.... Denying basic treatment to poor people is just wrong
TheNotrap 09.13.11	Even in Europe people is getting more and more conservative. I believe some kind of a world wide revolution will happen in the next 5 years....
Inveigh 09.13.11	I don't think the Tea Party is growing stronger or bigger as much as the people already a part of it are getting louder
omnipanzer 09.13.11	That party is so splintered right now I doubt there is anything to worry about for the next 5 years.
TheNotrap 09.13.11	Well I hope so.... The world economy is collapsing day by day....I'm not so optimist.... Hope I'm wrong
Inveigh 09.13.11	lol but can I point out again that the leading contender for the Republican party's presidential bid is a guy who less than a week ago on national television said "the science is still out on global warming."
Jethro42 09.13.11	What do you guys think about this (part II and III also available); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdiG4OC48LY&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLB59C4C10EC3692E1
omnipanzer 09.13.11	"The Republicans are bad enough but that the most influential country in the world has a movement such as the Tea Party as big as it is is worrying" There are always "movements" of some kind and it is no different in any other country. Id rather give them air time and give them an inflated sense of importance so I know whats going on than force them to a basement somewhere so we wouldn't know anything about it.
anarchistfish 09.13.11	they seem to have a bigger voice in the US than in other places
TheNotrap 09.13.11	Well said Omni
kris. 09.13.11	what do you guys think of mitt romney honest answers plz
TheNotrap 09.13.11	"they seem to have a bigger voice in the US than in other places" Like I said in Europe people is getting more conservative day by day...
Trebor. 09.13.11	inb4 Hans
anarchistfish 09.13.11	""they seem to have a bigger voice in the US than in other places" Like I said in Europe people is getting more conservative day by day..." I really disagree
TheNotrap 09.13.11	@AnarchistFish Well...the European conservative partys are now the majority....France, Spain, Portugal, England,...
TheNotrap 09.13.11	Well...but my concern was the speech of this guy on the video Just wrong...
omnipanzer 09.13.11	UhhKris, it isn't surprising to me as I hear the "take responsibility" argument from my republican friends all the time. To a certain degree I agree with it but when it gets taken to excess as thought there is no room for deviation from a two word catch phrase (like in the video) is where I call bullshit. I believe in socialist medical care. 25 years ago I would not have but I can't afford the medications I need... 50% taxes is better than being unhealthy and worrying about your future being decimated by one necessary surgery imo. More than anything though I'd be willing to pay 50% taxes as a fuck you to our medical and insurance industry. They are bilking us relentlessly and the republicans think it's fine because it's a democracy. Being so blindly one sided and assuming no theory ever needs revision is so stunningly Vatican like it stupefies me. But no, countries centuries older than us couldn't possibly have the right answer. There is nothing wrong with borrowing ideas from another culture... just fucking improve on it. They already have decades of right and wrong moves under their belt.
Inveigh 09.13.11	I like Mitt Romney a lot too bad most Repubs think he's too centrist and/or liberal and he probably won't get the nod over that Perry fool
kris. 09.13.11	omni wtf lol see mitt's like the only republican i'd be willing to vote for right now dude seems way chill and he's not a fucking nutbag
Inveigh 09.13.11	^it's answers like that that drive the far right nuts it doesn't matter if they like Romney or not if a liberal likes him then fuck it's not worth it
BigHans 09.13.11	Not gonna get sucked in to this. I only have one thing to say: Pat Buchanan in 2012.
Jethro42 09.13.11	Big Brother is watching you
TheNotrap 09.13.11	@Omni "take responsibility.....to a certain degree I agree" Agreed also...I believe all people must take real responsibility for their actions, but when governments stop looking to the REAL POOR PEOPLE, that don't have money for basic healthcare, the system will collapse.
GregLake 09.13.11	If michelle bachman gets elected ill cry
MasBarHigeuoris21 09.13.11	We need to move away from a primarily two party system. We should have a vote that actually counts that is neither Republican or Democrat. If we did it that way, me might actually be able to vote someone in who can make a difference without being caught up in all of this political BS.
Inveigh 09.13.11	THE SCIENCE IS STILL OUT ON GLOBAL WARMING and also whether or not the world is round
MasBarHigeuoris21 09.13.11	"If michelle bachman gets elected ill cry" No need to worry about that. She is currently in last place in all of the poles.
anarchistfish 09.13.11	"@AnarchistFish Well...the European conservative partys are now the majority....France, Spain, Portugal, England,..." sarkozy is pretty unpopular at the moment andn the conservative party in the UK too. the conservatives have also become much more liberal in recent years and we pretty much have a two party system where every few years the other party is elected when the first becomes unpopular. same with most countries.
MasBarHigeuoris21 09.13.11	If the economy was not as bad as it is right now, no one would even listen to the tea party. Same goes for what is happening in Europe. Once the economy here in the U.S. and around the world gets better, all of these ultra conservative moments will die
omnipanzer 09.13.11	"Not gonna get sucked in to this." Just wanted to get in my say before you bring the roof down around our ears. :^P
anarchistfish 09.13.11	representative democracy is extremely flawed in the first place. if you get down to the skeleton, it probably has more in common with dictatorships than with true democracy
Inveigh 09.13.11	"Once the economy here in the U.S. and around the world gets better, all of these ultra conservative moments will die" *If the economy gets better
Trebor. 09.13.11	I'm just sick of politicians ignoring separation of church and state
Maniac! 09.13.11	My parents are informed by fox news and watch glenn beck. Ugh.
TheNotrap 09.13.11	"If the economy was not as bad as it is right now, no one would even listen to the tea party. Same goes for what is happening in Europe. Once the economy here in the U.S. and around the world gets better, all of these ultra conservative moments will die". Well said...but the problem is that the economy will not get better...at least for the next couple of years
omnipanzer 09.13.11	Poor Brandon... I had no idea bro.
thumbcrusher 09.13.11	i thought something happened to glenn beck recently (i'm a bit out of it across the pond)
omnipanzer 09.13.11	I wish he would go away... such a twat.
Maniac! 09.13.11	My dad "informed" me that all our financial crises have been solved by voting out a democrat from office.
omnipanzer 09.13.11	When was this?
thumbcrusher 09.13.11	a quick google of his name seems to confirm he's strange one
Inveigh 09.13.11	is your dad aware of the Great Depression?
Maniac! 09.13.11	He said that FDR made the depression worse.
MasBarHigeuoris21 09.13.11	"*If the economy gets better" Forgot about that. This may be the beginning of the end
anarchistfish 09.13.11	capitalism is the core problem
Trebor. 09.13.11	Everyone seems to have forgotten about George Bush
thumbcrusher 09.13.11	McCarthy would have hunted you down for that anarchist
anarchistfish 09.13.11	lol but it's true
thumbcrusher 09.13.11	i don't think you can say that as a blanket rule though cause in the case of west germany after ww2, they got business booming and focused on that first, they were able to become leading nation in trade and just be a successful nation again. they showed there how it can work very well
anarchistfish 09.13.11	it's always gonna collapse in the end. it's extremely unpredictable and pretty unfair in it's concepts
thumbcrusher 09.13.11	why? (not having a go, just interested in why you think that)
Trebor. 09.13.11	We should just emulate Canada
anarchistfish 09.13.11	it basically relies on some people being much more economically advantaged than others no matter what. it is also, instead of making humans working to progress humanity efficiently and as much as possible for the benefit of all people, it makes people act selfishly and wastefully for self gain and profit.
kris. 09.13.11	we should just bomb canada
anarchistfish 09.13.11	scandinavia's cool
Maniac! 09.13.11	We should just annex Canada
ThorntonReed 09.13.11	Don't worry about Ron Paul. Nobody takes him seriously.
Maniac! 09.13.11	I like Paul's social policies
thumbcrusher 09.13.11	@anarchist at an extreme maybe, but i don't understand why people think help from the state will be better than other instituitons. (friendly societies, charities etc)
anarchistfish 09.13.11	charities aren't as effective and an efficient as social security. they have limited resources and the money is often not used as effectively as it could be if handled by government. a lot of money donated to charity is lost through corruption. I don't see what's wrong with social security. if it serves the people as it supposedly does, then it should
ThorntonReed 09.13.11	Hoover was a big believer in private charity's ability to ameliorate economic pain during the depression. Look how well that turned out.
Inveigh 09.13.11	"I don't see what's wrong with social security." are you from the U.S.? there's a lot wrong with Social Security...
climactic 09.13.11	"I'm just sick of politicians ignoring separation of church and state" where does it say that in the constitution?
anarchistfish 09.13.11	""I don't see what's wrong with social security." are you from the U.S.? there's a lot wrong with Social Security..." no explain?
Maniac! 09.13.11	"where does it say that in the constitution?" Are you kidding?
ThorntonReed 09.13.11	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman
thumbcrusher 09.13.11	i agree it should be there for people who need it as a more secure form of support. trouble is, i don't think social security does do as it's supposed to very often, do people with a household income of over £50,000 need it? there is huge waste. i dunno but about 120 years ago on average 10% of a earnings (in britain) were donated to charity and community insurance schemes, if they had been able to grow think how big and secure they could be now.
climactic 09.13.11	i'm aware that they were. and i agree with separation of church and state. but that phrase isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution. it's a different concept than freedom of religion
Maniac! 09.13.11	"and i agree with separation of church and state. but that phrase isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution. it's a different concept than freedom of religion" Nobody in their right mind claims that exact phrase is in the constitution. It's a phrase used to describe the government stance on religion.
foreverendeared 09.13.11	"Nobody in their right mind" Here's the key phrase.
climactic 09.13.11	sure the government is separate from the church, but if there was truly a law separating church and state, there wouldn't be the 10 commandments in the supreme courthouse, or prayer before sessions of congress, etc. i'm not even religious, it's just the truth. there's no law against any of that
anarchistfish 09.13.11	social security isn't ideal. an actual socialist system would be more effective. but social security is better than nothing
TheNotrap 09.13.11	"separation of church and state" If we lose that we will return to Medieval Age
thumbcrusher 09.13.11	better get my sythe out then
TheNotrap 09.13.11	Yep...we're starting to lose that...
omnipanzer 09.13.11	"Are you kidding?" LOL
Trebor. 09.13.11	lose
omnipanzer 09.13.11	that
Trebor. 09.13.11	I've had teachers who used loose instead of lose Our education has failed us
foreverendeared 09.13.11	"i'm not even religious, it's just the truth. there's no law against any of that" But there is. In the constitution. A government isn't supposed to promote any one religion over another.
Trebor. 09.13.11	A lot of politicians pretend to be really religious to get voters I'm sure
TheNotrap 09.13.11	sorry...English is not my first language
foreverendeared 09.13.11	Oh that's just fact, my friend!
foreverendeared 09.13.11	Meant that @backwardsrobert
Trebor. 09.13.11	backwardsrobert Don't give it away to everybody
foreverendeared 09.13.11	Oops!
Javi450 09.14.11	these so called political debates that occur every four years before an election are a fucking farce... half of the time these people who we vote in to represent us are attacking each others character and beliefs rather than having intellectual discussions on what they can accomplish as president
Obfuscation24 09.14.11	Fuck Michelle Cuntman, fuck Dick Perry, fuck all of them. #obamaswag
kris. 09.14.11	i can't see obama getting voted in again GO MITT
Trebor. 09.14.11	I just wish another democrat could run against Obama They need to change the automatic president incumbent bullshit Obama > any asshole conservative anyway
Knave 09.14.11	I didn't feel like reading this whole thing, but I bet it's a bunch of disgust with the Tea Party. Ron Paul was one of the founders of the Tea Party and it was his way to try to move the Republican party toward a more Libertarian, Constitutionalist agenda. it just turned into this gross, ultra-Republican machine that is entirely disgusting and spits out people like Bachmann now. It's not anything like what it was designed to be, actually quite the opposite. BTW, I can't stand any of the candidates, Obama included. Although I would vote for Ron Paul if he does win because I respect him quite alot.
kris. 09.14.11	pretty sure i've read from like 300 different places that ron paul's a bigot and a racist and a bunch of other stuff
eternium 09.14.11	Mitt has shown himself to be a tool to the corporations more than most politicians. "Corporations are people too, my friend."
Trebor. 09.14.11	He hates abortion and gay people too
Knave 09.14.11	Who cares? A ton of recent presidents were, and they are allowed to be. I just know that Ron Paul is smart enough to view things objectively with that, and let his personal views on whatever he has problems with stay out of his office. So yeah, i trust him i guess. He makes sense to me.
Trebor. 09.14.11	You should never trust any politicians
kris. 09.14.11	a ton of presidents also were presidents before the civil rights movement and didn't publicly say HEY I HATE NEGROS AND GAYS AND THEY'RE THE DEVIL this is 2011 let's all love each other
Knave 09.14.11	yeah i agree. Nobody is saying that in the political field, it would be a career suicide.
eternium 09.14.11	That's why they use their racism more subtlety by attacking welfare, affirmative action, and calling non-white leaders anti-American, foreign, and Muslim.
Trebor. 09.14.11	True racism is what you do, not what you say
kris. 09.14.11	well idk im pretty sure he hangs out with guys from stormfront a lot and that's... doing stuff
toxin. 09.14.11	I'm pretty conservative (well kind of, I don't follow party/ideology platforms much), but the Tea Party are an abomination. With that said, "That's why they use their racism more subtlety by attacking welfare, affirmative action" is a moronic thing to say. Affirmative action? Maybe in the workforce... maybe. Welfare? Believe me, I have no racist intentions at all (I'm not even white) and I wouldn't mind reform of welfare at all.
foreverendeared 09.14.11	"True racism is what you do, not what you say" lol
Javi450 09.14.11	the only fucking reason to vote these days is to make sure to vote for the guy whose less likely to create another senseless war
kris. 09.14.11	lol ok obvious 14 year old
ShadowRemains 09.14.11	jesus christ
toxin. 09.14.11	vote 4 obama
eternium 09.14.11	xtoxin, you didn't address how they accuse Obama and others of being anti-American, Muslim, and born elsewhere. They're all tactics to make the person seem "different than us" and would never accuse a white guy of being born in another country secretly.
kris. 09.14.11	im voting for michele bachmann trollface.jpg
Maniac! 09.14.11	I didn't feel like reading this whole thing, but I bet it's a bunch of disgust with the Tea Party. Ron Paul was one of the founders of the Tea Party and it was his way to try to move the Republican party toward a more Libertarian, Constitutionalist agenda. it just turned into this gross, ultra- Republican machine that is entirely disgusting and spits out people like Bachmann now. It's not anything like what it was designed to be, actually quite the opposite. BTW, I can't stand any of the candidates, Obama included. Although I would vote for Ron Paul if he does win because I respect him quite alot. 123 pretty much, but he won't get the primary
eternium 09.14.11	I respect Ron Paul for his consistency but he implied that we should let the uninsured die if they need medical help. That alone is enough to disgust me.
kris. 09.14.11	na paul actually said after the clip is finished that he doesn't believe that i found a longer clip on jewhoo
toxin. 09.14.11	@eternium, lol I didn't address it because I completely agree with that part. I just wanted to point out that people who don't like welfare/affirmative action aren't necessarily racist. Affirmative Action in itself is racist, and I'm fucking ashamed to live in a country that would (hypothetically) take a less-qualified minority (such as African/Hispanic) over another minority (Asian Indian [me]) for any reason.
eternium 09.14.11	I watched the debate. If he was really against letting people die then he would have rebuked the audience and been clear about it, just like he did when saying that Al Qaeda isn't attacking us for our freedoms despite everyone else being stupid and believing that.
kris. 09.14.11	thats true but i don't really think he believes that if he does hes a fucking awful doctor and an awful person in general
eternium 09.14.11	@xtoxic - Affirmative action doesn't choose less qualified over more qualified, in fact some have tried such a thing and taken to court over it. Fact is that minorities on average have miniscule amounts of wealth compared to whites, still have high dropout rates, higher unemployment, etc.
toxin. 09.14.11	@eternium, yeah, but under affirmative action, that can happen. And any policy that lets that happen is bullshit. And if you're going to say "minorities" be specific about it, because I'm also a minority and I don't get affirmative action benefits (and really, I support the "you reap what you sow" philosophy, so I wouldn't want any bonus for being a minority). Just because things can be isolated to race doesn't mean there's some external racism. Some of it is internal, i.e., the culture they grow up in. (Just look at the thug culture, as opposed to the cultural norms of Asian-Americans who value school a lot more)
eternium 09.14.11	It can't happen, it's against the law for it to happen. I'll be honest, Asians and whites tend to be more intelligent on average but that isn't enough to explain the huge disparities between those two and blacks/Hispanics. If one person didn't get a good education because he was black then his child will be affected by that. Poverty most often lasts for generations and America isn't what it used to be, it is far more difficult to escape nowadays.
toxin. 09.14.11	I'm not 100% sure of affirmative action in the business world, so I can't say anything. I'm definitely leaning towards college acceptance, which is something else. And I definitely agree that there's some disparity, but I mean really, it's not like Affirmative Action is the solution to it. I mean part of it is simply improving education in cities (and in the US in general) so that they could be successful. Part of it is the culture they grow up in. Affirmative Action solves neither. (btw some of the strictest parents are the black ones in traditional parental families. It's really the broken families that perpetuate the cycle of poverty). Also I don't buy that blacks/hispanics are less intelligent. Not enough data to prove that.
eternium 09.14.11	There's plenty of data. Also this: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2069/housing-bubble-subprime-mortgages-hispanics-blacks-household-wealth-disparity
toxin. 09.14.11	I meant data about blacks/hispanics being less intelligent.
eternium 09.14.11	That's the data that shows why we still need affirmative action. http://www.vdare.com/articles/debating-the-unmentionable-the-black-white-iq-gap Then again it's largely affected by the fact that the smart ones were killed off during slavery.
toxin. 09.14.11	Tbh I don't understand how any of those articles/ data support your point.
OysterizerInsomniac 09.14.11	As much as I am disappointed in Obama for not standing up to the republicans enough, I think I'll be voting for him rather than the Socialist Party simply because all the conservatives will vote for the republicans so any vote for an independent or 3rd party is one less vote the democrats have against the republicans and I don't want to hold myself responsible for letting a republican back into office.
Vesper 09.14.11	eternium, basically, the bottom line is that if you're Asian, you'd be stupid to support affirmative action, as it doesn't benefit us at all and often works against us. East Asians typically perform better academically than even whites (often required to have higher scores, all else equal - I can't remember the article, but it was something like a 200 point difference on the SAT). Most elite Ivies and liberal arts colleges only want to give up so many spots to the nerdy Asians, so they control for our admission based on ethnic background. All else considered, I understand why many people support it, but Asians - especially poor and/or ill-educated Asians who are at an even greater disadvantage because they are at the bottom of a highly competitive pool that gets no favors - often do not as far as their self-interest is concerned. Not to mention, this often increases tensions between these preferred and non-preferred groups. Notice how your articles only compare the majority whites to the minority black and Hispanic groups? Asians are often left out of those studies and our position on the minority spectrum is pretty hazy.
toxin. 09.14.11	Vesper, ily