NWOAHM666: People Who Helped To Shape Metal

Skweetis 09.03.11	Ministry beat Trent to it.
NWOAHM666 09.03.11	I know but NIN were the ones to popularize it.
TheNotrap 09.03.11	Dude a list called "People Who Helped To Shape Metal" should have included Tony Iommi Steve Harris Dave Mustaine Glenn Tipton&K. K. Downing Jeff Becerra James Hetfield&Lars Ulrich Conrad "Cronos" Lant Lemmy ....And the list go on Don't get me wrong dude but I find this list inconsistent
Crysis 09.03.11	QUORTHON
PostModernJellyfish 09.03.11	2 and 7 need switching. Replace 19 with Kermit the Frog/Seth Putnam and you will be good.
Voivod 09.03.11	Dennis D'Amour from Voivod (aka Piggy)
wabbit 09.03.11	"One of the pioneers of industrial."ugh industrial started in the mid 60's...the more you know
PostModernJellyfish 09.03.11	I didn't know 14 or 19 had anything to do with Metal.
PurpleDino 09.03.11	Joey Jordison in no way helped to shape metal. He added nothing new, original, pioneering or notably good to the genre
PostModernJellyfish 09.03.11	"Joey Jordison in no way helped to shape metal. He added nothing new, original, pioneering or notably good to the genre"[2] Also, concering 17. Totally not true. I mean he helped in a way, but many of the other bands of that time did too. Oh...like I don't know.... Blue Cheer.....
Adash 09.03.11	WHERE THE FUCK IS BEETHOVEN?!
NWOAHM666 09.03.11	Answering PurpleDino and PostModernJellyfish: Jordison helped to annihilate mallcore. His band's self-titled album is the major start of the New Wave of American Metal. And for Tom Morello, he was included for criativity only. Seth Putnam = a joke. Dave Mustaine = yeah, maybe I forgot. Lars Ulrich = the man doesn't know how to drum! Lemmy = how could I forget...
PostModernJellyfish 09.03.11	Jordison is part of the biggest mallcore band that has ever existed. I have yet to meet a mallcore band bigger than Slipknot. Seth Putnam is the greatest fucking joke ever. He's essential on any list.
anarchistfish 09.03.11	Lars Ulrich pretty much shaped the past 30 years of metal and you didn't include him? He formed Metallica, forget his talents as an instrumentalist, that isn't what /your/ list is about
bigmoon 09.03.11	plz make a list of ppl who helped shape good music
NWOAHM666 09.03.11	"Jordison is part of the biggest mallcore band that has ever existed. I have yet to meet a mallcore band bigger than Slipknot." Your comment has seriously made me laugh. PostModernJellyfish, do you even know what mallcore is? Forget those guys out there comparing Slipknot to LB or whatever, they're all metal. "plz make a list of ppl who helped shape good music" a) Don't eat letters, you're not text-messaging. b) This is it.
PurpleDino 09.03.11	bullshit, Joey Jordison is just an OK drummer in a popular band, he did not "shape metal" just because he was part of a band that apparently "annihilated mallcore", whatever the fuck that means anyway
NWOAHM666 09.03.11	Please read the list description before criticizing me.
PurpleDino 09.03.11	I did, and there is no justification for having Joey Jordison on the list
PedalToTheMetal 09.03.11	look at me im joey jordinson, i play upside down hurrr durr!!!!
Motiv3 09.03.11	lol @ 19.
PurpleDino 09.03.11	lol indeed
NWOAHM666 09.03.11	"look at me im joey jordinson, i play upside down hurrr durr!!!!" Laugh if you want but I'm still to see someone to match that. And if all you have to say is that 19 is wrong, then don't do it, almost all comments here say the same.
anarchistfish 09.03.11	You still need to justify not putting Lars Ulrich on
FrankRedHot 09.04.11	I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you have no idea what you are talking about.
PedalToTheMetal 09.05.11	id rather than listen to good drumming than hear generic metal drumming.... i really couldnt care less if he played upside down
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	l wanna get a drum set that goes underwater so in the middle of our show they can dunk me in a tank and l can do my solo.
Realm 09.05.11	"Laugh if you want but I'm still to see someone to match that." playing upside down is a useless skill. jordison also has like no style at all.
anarchistfish 09.05.11	whether he's a good drummer or not is irrelevant. fact is, he formed and writes most of the music for one of the biggest bands in metal in the 21st century, that has influenced a wave of bands thereafter. whether you like it or not. and by that, where the fuck is lars ulrich?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Stop mentioning Lars. The only thing he did was take down Napster.
Nagrarok 09.05.11	Listing Ozzy Osbourne but not Tony Iommi. Just no.
anarchistfish 09.05.11	he formed what is most likely the biggest metal band ever stfu
Realm 09.05.11	oh okay it doesn't matter that he has no style or originality because he formed a shitty band that dumbed down mainstream metal IMPORTANT MUSICIAN RIGHT HERE
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Lol and he's a bland ass drummer. I don't give a shit about Metallica. They are the most overrated band in the history of metal.
Realm 09.05.11	ugh you are so right pit. btw my last post was aimed at jordison/slipknot
anarchistfish 09.05.11	"oh okay it doesn't matter that he has no style or originality because he formed a shitty band that dumbed down mainstream metal IMPORTANT MUSICIAN RIGHT HERE" "people who helped shape metal" "Lol and he's a bland ass drummer." irrelevant "I don't give a shit about Metallica." irrelevant "They are the most overrated band in the history of metal. " irrelevant
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I know. I posted that probably a split-second after you did. Great minds think alike.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	How is his style irrelevant? If you're going to be a true cornerstone of any genre with any instrument, being boring and bland isn't the way to do it.
Realm 09.05.11	lol you don't know much about metal do you? uh whos saint vitus idk lolol slipknot gets played on the radio so they r important
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	5 drummers more influential on metal than Lars: Nicko McBrain Bill Ward Nick Menza Phil Taylor Vinny Apice
Wolfhorde 09.05.11	"biggest bands in metal in the 21st century, " No. Not even by a stretch. Don't know if you live in fagville but people really listening to metal and going to festivals and shit hate that band. And that's probably not just in Germany.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	The only reason people mention Metallica so much is because MTV and VH1 ride their dicks harder than those cheap whores Lars used to buy in San Francisco.
Realm 09.05.11	i guess you could say being influential is pointless if the band you influence are 5 finger death punch and slipknot. Spirit and Blue Cheer influenced so many classic 70s bands and you probably don't know one song from either band.
anarchistfish 09.05.11	""biggest bands in metal in the 21st century, " No. Not even by a stretch. Don't know if you live in fagville but people really listening to metal and going to festivals and shit hate that band. And that's probably not just in Germany. " maybe it's just the people you're around but you can't argue with album sales etc, even if you hate them
Realm 09.05.11	sales =/= influence
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Yeah, I can argue with album sales. Fucking Aqua's(I'm a Barbie Girl) album "Aquarium" went platinum in the states. PLATINUM! So influential.
Transcend 09.05.11	20 isn't a weirdo. He's just retarded.
tarkus 09.05.11	No Tony Iommi=Auto Fail
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Can't call Glenn Benson retarded, man. As much as I despise the guy, that mind of his is a public relations machine.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	basically every metal band since Metallica has cited Metallica as an influence whether you like the music or not, or whether Lars is a good drummer or not does not change how influential they were and are
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Basically every metal band since Metallica has cited them as an influence? Do you have that on paper somewhere?
Transcend 09.05.11	How does Lars deserve to be on this list more than any other member of Metallica? He's easily the least talented of the 4.
climactic 09.05.11	lack of maiden
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"How does Lars deserve to be on this list more than any other member of Metallica? He's easily the least talented of the 4." I hear crickets......
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	If any Metallica member deserves to be on a list like this, it should be Cliff Burton.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	No of course I don't have it on paper and if I did how would that help an argument on the internet? Your obtusity astounds me He deserves to be on the list because he formed the band and wrote/writes the music
PurpleDino 09.05.11	most talented =/= most influential
anarchistfish 09.05.11	"sales =/= influence " well they have both
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"No of course I don't have it on paper and if I did how would that help an argument on the internet?" You don't have that on paper because it's not true. Stop making huge general statements that you can't prove just to support your idiotic argument. "Your obtusity astounds me" As much as I respect your vocabulary, using a word like "obtusity" really isn't needed. "He deserves to be on the list because he formed the band and wrote/writes the music" Lol no he doesn't. He has a part in it, but he didn't write nor does he write now ALL of the music for Metallica. Your moronicity astounds me.
anarchistfish 09.05.11	There are bands that sputnik like that have said they're slipknot fans. mastodon for one.
Wolfhorde 09.05.11	Just because some dudes like a band makes them influential? Alright, perfect logic..
PurpleDino 09.05.11	its needed when your being obtuse, which you were Pretty much every metal band I listen to cite Metallica as an influence or a band they enjoy, which is pretty much the same thing. There will be a very small minority of metal bands that don't, look for yourself. and I never meant that he wrote ALL the music, James Hetfield probably just as much deserves a place on the list as Lars. Hell you could put them both into one place, ain't that a crazy thought.
JWT155 09.05.11	LEMMY.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"Pretty much every metal band I listen to cite Metallica as an influence or a band they enjoy, which is pretty much the same thing. " See, now you've changed your statement. Make up your mind. Jesus.... "and I never meant that he wrote ALL the music, James Hetfield probably just as much deserves a place on the list as Lars. Hell you could put them both into one place, ain't that a crazy thought." Yeah, you did. The reason it took you so long to respond is that you were frantically googling Metallica songs to see if you were right or not. Next time, just do some research when you want to make a blanket statement.
Wolfhorde 09.05.11	"cite Metallica as an influence or a band they enjoy, which is pretty much the same thing" Yeah, of course. Quantum physics and religion are also the same thing.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	"See, now you've changed your statement. Make up your mind. Jesus...." Not really, if you had quoted the rest of that paragraph you would see I haven't changed it at all really. "you were frantically googling Metallica songs to see if you were right or not" HAHA the irony of that made me lol. Stop making statements "that you can't prove just to support your idiotic argument." Actually I just have better things to do than to just click refresh on a sputnik thread buddy.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	"Yeah, of course. Quantum physics and religion are also the same thing." yeah great analogy. If you enjoy a band you will incorporate elements of their music into your own willfully or not.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"HAHA the irony of that made me lol. Stop making statements "that you can't prove just to support your idiotic argument." Actually I just have better things to do than to just click refresh on a sputnik thread buddy." Like what? Beat off to tranny porn. "Not really, if you had quoted the rest of that paragraph you would see I haven't changed it at all really." I read the rest of the paragraph. The first sentence states something completely different than your first statement. The second statement then re-enforces your very first statement, which gave me the reaon to tell you to "make up your mind."
anarchistfish 09.05.11	well they've obviously influenced a lot of bands and they themselves have shaped it
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	And I guess you must be right. You can't have time to continually refresh Sputnik when you're racing through the internet finding all of the bands who cite Metallica as an influence. Oh, wait, that's right. You already had that written down somewhere.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	"Like what? Beat off to tranny porn." Mhm great insult. That really also helped your argument, and made you look less like a dick. OH it also hurt my feelings. "The second statement then re-enforces your very first statement" It's actually the other way round
someguest 09.05.11	LOL I read this as "People Who Helped Shape Me" and didn't check the title but read through the list and thought "man, what a fucktard this guy must be"
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"Mhm great insult. That really also helped your argument, and made you look less like a dick. OH it also hurt my feelings." God, you're fucking stupid. "It's actually the other way round" Not really. First you said EVERY metal band cites Metallica as an influence. You then said pretty much EVERY metal band you listen to cites Metallica as an influence, which you claimed was pretty much the same. So you listen to every metal band? Hard to believe....
PurpleDino 09.05.11	"God, you're fucking stupid." Please do explain the purpose of stating my supposed affection for tranny porn. You've misunderstood me. When I said "There will be a very small minority of metal bands that don't, look for yourself." THAT was the same as saying "EVERY metal band cites Metallica as an influence." And when I said "Pretty much every metal band I listen to cite Metallica as an influence" that was backing up what I said. Capiche?
someguest 09.05.11	PurpleDino, Please shut up. - someguest
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"Please do explain the purpose of stating my supposed affection for tranny porn." Please explain why you care...... ""There will be a very small minority of metal bands that don't, look for yourself." THAT was the same as saying "EVERY metal band cites Metallica as an influence."" Ummmm, no, it's not. When you say EVERY band cites Metallica as an influence, that means that EVERY band cites Metallica as an influence. The phrase "pretty much" leaves room for error. See the difference? Now pull out the online Thesaurus again. You might need another word you don't understand.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	"Please explain why you care......" Because you called me fucking stupid for mocking the statement. Fuck me of course I didn't mean EVERY band in the WHOLE of metal in the WHOLE of the world EVER. Are you always this pedantic? someguest, It takes two to Tango. - PurpleDino
someguest 09.05.11	Pit will verbally strangle you though.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"Because you called me fucking stupid for mocking the statement." Again, please explain why you care. "Fuck me of course I didn't mean EVERY band in the WHOLE of metal in the WHOLE of the world EVER. Are you always this pedantic?" It's not about being pedantic. It's about saying what you mean and meaning what you say. Are you always this obtuse?
someguest 09.05.11	Pit will verbally strangle you though.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	"Again, please explain why you care." Because you insulted me and I would like to know the reason. THAT LOUD AND CLEAR FOR YA. "It's not about being pedantic. It's about saying what you mean and meaning what you say. Are you always this obtuse?" But unless you are autistic, you knew what I meant, so yes, yes it is about being pedantic.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"Because you insulted me and I would like to know the reason. THAT LOUD AND CLEAR FOR YA." Why? You gonna get mad and cry some more if I don't? "But unless you are autistic, you knew what I meant, so yes, yes it is about being pedantic." Or maybe I think you're an idiot and you're desperately trying to cover up your ridiculous statements.
BallsToTheWall 09.05.11	No Danzig, no Manowar no Quorthon WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!
PurpleDino 09.05.11	"Why? You gonna get mad and cry some more if I don't?" No but seeing as you get all pissy if someone doesn't come up with a reason or some proof for their "ridiculous statements" I thought I might just try and get one out of you. But obviously I'm forgetting hypocrites aren't reasonable people. "Or maybe I think you're an idiot and you're desperately trying to cover up your ridiculous statements." Seeing as every time I've replied you have changed what your saying and insulted me, it seems to me more like you're the one trying to cover up your ridiculous statements.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"No but seeing as you get all pissy if someone doesn't come up with a reason or some proof for their "ridiculous statements" I thought I might just try and get one out of you. But obviously I'm forgetting hypocrites aren't reasonable people." Would you please stop crying. "Seeing as every time I've replied you have changed what your saying and insulted me, it seems to me more like you're the one trying to cover up your ridiculous " I'm not the one flip-flopping. Need a box of tissues, you big baby?
PurpleDino 09.05.11	Hey guys look I'm clever I'm gonna ask this guy if he needs some tissues because I don't want to respond to him rationally. I'm so funny and clever
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I'm not being clever. I'm honestly concerned for your well-being. I'm trying to be nice here. Wow, how ungrateful are you?
PurpleDino 09.05.11	last time I checked "big baby" is a derogatory term, are you concerned or are you insulting me? "Make up your mind. Jesus...." I don't know how you do it Frank, being this pedantic and annoying just is not fun.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	You sure love to use the words "pedantic" and "obtuse." I think you need to find a new Thesaurus. That ones' awful small.
Wolfhorde 09.05.11	PurpleDino, it would've been better if you'd have considered someguests advice. Now you've just made yourself ridiculous.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	Oh I'm not using a Thesaurus actually, it's just that generally, if someone is being pedantic or obtuse, that's what you call them, idk man I thought that's how words worked
PurpleDino 09.05.11	actually Wolfhorde, Frank hasn't strangled me verbally but instead resorted to petty insults to do with my vocabulary and/or saying I'm crying sorry who looks ridiculous again?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I'm trying to decide if this person's Dnor or just someone as dumb as Dnor, because I remember Dnor having a username similar to this when he was banned.
Wolfhorde 09.05.11	"sorry who looks ridiculous again?" Still you. Pit, I kinda doubt it's Dnor. He at least doesn't try to act that clever.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	How am I dumb? Oh no wait you won't answer that question.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I don't need to answer the question. You're providing the answers for us.
porch 09.05.11	if this was dnor your dick would've been punched by now
BallsToTheWall 09.05.11	Purple Dino please shut the fuck up. Pit got the best of you it's ok, man the fuck up and stop getting all worked up on the internet with some guy you'll never come across in real life. It's not a big deal. Just let it go.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	That's true. I need to wear my protective cup more often.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Balls, but he's providing endless amounts of hilarity. Let him go on....
MalleusMaleficarum 09.05.11	why do i have to thank jimi hendrix for metal?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	You see what you did guys? Now he's stopped, and I can't entertain myself anymore....
Apollo 09.05.11	omg
PurpleDino 09.05.11	No Frank I went to get food, Balls I fail to see how he got the better of me. You all act like I'm getting worked up when he was the one who resorted to insulting me insteading of actually providing conversation.
BallsToTheWall 09.05.11	If you spent enough time here you would know better. Come on, do you really believe your the first schmuck to become ensnared by pit's troll bating ways?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	It's much more fun to watch you squirm from a "tranny" insult.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	he wasn't troll baiting though
PurpleDino 09.05.11	yeah because taking the piss out of you was really squirming
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Wow, you're even a bigger idiot than I originally thought.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"yeah because taking the piss out of you was really squirming" I dunno. You seemed pretty upset about the idea of you loving a chick with a dick....
PurpleDino 09.05.11	"Mhm great insult. That really also helped your argument, and made you look less like a dick. OH it also hurt my feelings." btw when i said it hurt my feelings i was joking
BallsToTheWall 09.05.11	Alright! fuck you Dino. Don't respect your elders. It will be entertaining to see this out to the end...resulting in your deletion of this account.
tarkus 09.05.11	thanks for the laughs this is a fun read
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	"btw when i said it hurt my feelings i was joking" SSssuuuurrreeeeee........ c'mon man. You weren't getting food. You were at Walgreen's buying 2-for-1 Kleenex, weren't you?
PurpleDino 09.05.11	seriously, does this not tire you?
tarkus 09.05.11	Pit never tires
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Ironic how you're asking me that.
Gmork89 09.05.11	No Justin Broderick?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I'm not the one other users are saying should stop. Just thought I'd point that out.....
PurpleDino 09.05.11	that's because I'm new(ish) and you're not
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	It hasn't anything to do with me being a veteran user. It has to do with you looking like an idiot.
tarkus 09.05.11	that's because you're being a dumbass
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	What's worse: The troll who doesn't give up? Or the user who doesn't give up, even though he knows he's been trolled?
PurpleDino 09.05.11	wanna explain how? or will you be a douche as usual?
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	Because I've even told you I'm trolling you and you still won't stop arguing. That's why you're an idiot. You got suckered in, and now you refuse to give up even though you were done about half a page ago, maybe more. Lol.... I shouldn't have to explain that.
PurpleDino 09.05.11	I didn't stop because someguest said I would get verbally strangled... and I didn't, and I wouldn't stop until you stopped because I wanted to show that I'm not just gonna lay down because some dick wants me to and because other users told me to. Now you have stopped, so shall I
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I haven't stopped. I was just waiting for your next pointless response.
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	I have no reason to stop. I can't go anywhere at the moment without having someone drive me around, and I'm pretty much incapacitated at the moment, so if you wanna keep looking like a complete moron and lose the last little bit of respect any Sputnik user had for you, go for it. I'm here for you, bro.
Spec 09.05.11	Dude, where's Olli Sykes?
PurpleDino 09.05.11	nah I'm okay Frank, I'll just sit here, crying, watching tranny porn, being verbally strangled, y'know how it is
FrankRedHot 09.05.11	^He's playing around now, guys. He thinks it's funny now.
Wolfhorde 09.05.11	It's just acting.
Trebor. 09.05.11	2 is not true You lose
foreverendeared 09.05.11	I like Pit, but he definitely didn't "get the best" of Dino. Just being objective here.
NWOAHM666 09.06.11	I cannot believe 2 morons actually filled this list's comments with a goddamn childish fight. I'm impressed. From now on, either discuss the list or shut up, because I've got some powers here. "20 isn't a weirdo. He's just retarded." Nah, he's a total weirdo. Trust me. "They are the most overrated band in the history of metal. " x2 "playing upside down is a useless skill. jordison also has like no style at all." He's not influent because of that. As I said before he's influent because his band wiped the way so that real metal could prevail in the 2000s. Is that hard to understand? "There are bands that sputnik like that have said they're slipknot fans. mastodon for one." I didn't understand exactly what you mean (next time use proper grammar) but I believe that this may be used as a justification for 19. "I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you have no idea what you are talking about." I'm going out on a limb here saying that you're one of the biggest trolls ever seen and that you know as much about metal as I do about ballet. "You still need to justify not putting Lars Ulrich on" I've officially abandoned this list yesterday (I'm only commenting because I want to make some things clear) so members from his band will be included. A good reason for Ulrich's absence would be the fact that a Dane tennis player who can't play drums properly isn't a metal musician. For all the rest: go home and die, because this list is meant to be an opinion list. I made it alone. If I wanted to make a more objective list I'd call people to help me. Idiots.
dnor 09.06.11	lol as I read through these posts, specifically the Lars Ulrich debate....I'm utterly astounded at the amount of sheer ignorance and stupidity of some of the users of this site. You all assume talent is what a list like this should be about. EVEN THE OP is dumb enough to assume that, and contradict himself on many levels (saying Ulrich isn't a drummer because he has no talent, but then including Joey Jordison, who has contributed nothing new to Metal besides a decent live show.) And Pit, I get you're trying to rile up the masses with your anti-Ulrich hate-mongering in a thread about influential people in metal, but to the people around him, and who knows, maybe even you yourself Pit (you are a wildcard, never know how you truly feel on an issue) if you're going to HONESTLY say one of the two people who sat down and decided to form Metallica, the most universally well known metal band in history (I hardly think that's too much of an exaggeration) isn't influential in ANY way, regardless of his utter lack of actual talent, you have go to be the dumbest people on this planet. And to the idea that "Lars is the least talented of any of the members!" Well, Cliff was found at a club and invited to Metallica by James and Lars, Kirk Hammet wouldn't even be a part of Metallica if Lars didn't say GET THE FUCK OUT to that faggot Dave Mustaine. So you're only argument would be Hetfield > Ulrich, but by the way, the original post talking about Lars said "Lars Ulrich / James Hetfield", so even that's a dumb statement.
ultradevilgod 10.26.11	This list missed some of the classic rock musicians like AC/DC, Led Zep...etc, also didnt include Iron Maiden. Burton Bell of Fear Factory shaped the clean vocals in death metal in their 1st album which was adapted(overused) in metalcore.