Strider: Biggest Sell-outs In Music History

Strider 03.02.11	U² should probably be on this list
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Kings of Leon Not 4, they always sucked it just took multiple albums for some to figure it out ;^)
North0House 03.02.11	I do agree that Band sold out. Album sold platinum in a matter of days. Now Band sucks.
fr33convict 03.02.11	How can 4 have sold out after having their first two albums go platinum at least once? Wouldn't selling out be just making another Hybrid Theory?
Remer17 03.02.11	Green Day "sold out" long before American Idiot (Dookie). And how do you forget Avenged Sevenfold? Whatever, I stopped throwing the term "sellout" around in like 9th grade.
MUNGOLOID 03.02.11	green day were sell outs since Dookie.
TheJackal 03.02.11	Exogenesis Symphony is the only good part of that album.
AliW1993 03.02.11	3 and 5 are amazing albums who cares if theyre mainstream
Remer17 03.02.11	I think they think selling out means making an album that you don't like.
Strider 03.02.11	I think that 3 is an amazing album.
Remer17 03.02.11	^^^^ LOL
omnipanzer 03.02.11	There really isn't anything wrong with selling out. There is a lot to be said for busting your ass for years and having nothing to show for it. In many cases artists sell out so they can afford to keep creating the music they love. You have your gravy train over here and you passion over there, so to speak.
fr33convict 03.02.11	The Jonas Brother sold out. I remember them back in their glory days when they were truly kvit.
Strider 03.02.11	"There really isn't anything wrong with selling out" I guess it's ok as long as you can manage to do so while keep your music good.
North0House 03.02.11	Where'd the Jonas Brothers go?
pizzamachine 03.02.11	Who cares.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	That being said "smash mouth" is right bro.
Remer17 03.02.11	I'd sell out in a second if I had the chance. It's called a career.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"Who cares." North0House cares PM Didn't you see it was him what posted?
dreamobile 03.02.11	i don't respect bands that can afford to pay rent.
Strider 03.02.11	"i like how 'boom boom pow' is where you see the black eyed peas selling out... like basically the third time they sold out, not the first time" They were good back in the Elephunk days. I could go as far as saying it started with Monkey Business, but they kept a lot of their "funk"
omnipanzer 03.02.11	I'd sell out for the sake of my Ferrari 599 GTO that doesn't know it's mine yet (and my daughter to I guess).
ConsiderPhlebas 03.02.11	Ice Cube
Spec 03.02.11	Obviously you haven't heard Waking The Fallen if you think shadows could never sing.
Yotimi 03.02.11	Selling out is when you sacrifice making music you truly love for music that will appeal to more people and guarantee more money. That being said, Linkin Park definitely didn't sell out.
Inveigh 03.02.11	Sugar Ray
Yotimi 03.02.11	Sugar Ray is probably the best example I can think of
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"Linkin Park definitely didn't sell out." I can't believe anyone cares JS.
Strider 03.02.11	"Obviously you haven't heard Waking The Fallen if you think shadows could never sing." I enjoy that album, but I don't like his vocals, never had.
Yotimi 03.02.11	Omni I thought we were cool. Really I don't care about Linkin Park. I'm more arguing the concept of selling out.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Incubus: but they pulled it off well enough for me to not give a shit.
Remer17 03.02.11	Ummm. KISS!?!?!?!??
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"Omni I thought we were cool." We are, that wasn't a personal attack your post was just closest for the quoting ;^)
Remer17 03.02.11	Incubus is a weird example. I think that was more of a case of them anticipating Nu-Metal's demise.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	I'm cool with excuses... I said I like them :^P
Satellite 03.02.11	bomb the music industry! are the biggest sellouts ever
North0House 03.02.11	Coldplay.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	bomb the music industry! sold out so hard they doubled back around to being not sold out.
Strider 03.02.11	Yeah, Deftones did the same. As for LP, they did sell out. Not saying minutes to midnight was bad, but it was arena rock, they gained a whole new fan base.
Narshh 03.02.11	Eminem, favorite rapper, did sell out
AgentYorkMorgan 03.02.11	Biggest sell out of all time is easily Weird Al I mean all of his sound like the biggest pop hits
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"i like how thees 'biggest sell out' lists are the perfect filter for people too dumb to take seriously" Those frustrations have to go somewhere TA might as well be into an empty bag...
Satellite 03.02.11	i don't think i've ever heard an intelligent argument for a band having "sold out".
pizzamachine 03.02.11	"Biggest sell out of all time is easily Weird Al I mean all of his sound like the biggest pop hits" hmmmmm I wonder why............
Satellite 03.02.11	pizzamachine vs. irony
Remer17 03.02.11	Blink 182
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Satellite Mine doesn't cover everything but I don't think it's tooooo bad.
Satellite 03.02.11	well btmi are a clear exception because they obviously are only in it for the money, so yeah.
AgentYorkMorgan 03.02.11	"i don't think i've ever heard an intelligent argument for a band having "sold out" They like money, they want more money, they change to acquire money
BallsToTheWall 03.02.11	Obviously list is fail because there is no mention of KISS. Please delete list k thnx Black Eyed Peas half time show LOL
geng 03.02.11	Biffy Clyro.
Satellite 03.02.11	"They like money, they want more money, they change to acquire money" swing and a miss. an appeal to the third base ump, and yes, he did go around. next up...
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"They like money, they want more money, they change to acquire money" ...and why should there be anything wrong with that?
Remer17 03.02.11	Wow sonic that's a joke right?
Satellite 03.02.11	http://badsandwichchronicles.blogspot.com/2010/03/concerning-keisha.html ^ i couldn't put it better than this if i tried
AgentYorkMorgan 03.02.11	Nah man did you listen to Axe to Fall biggest piece of popcore ever
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"i couldn't put it better than this if i tried" GRRRR blocked can you summarizer?
geng 03.02.11	It is a little bit ridiculous how fans act so self-righteous about bands "selling out". Yes it's a shame when a band changes their sound for commercial and financial gain, but when the man waves the dollar sign in front of you and you're a struggling musician trying to make ends meet, who can honestly say they wouldn't do the same thing in that position?
MO 03.02.11	list needs In Flames
AgentYorkMorgan 03.02.11	With some bands it's a true shame, but others they had no way to appeal to me in the first place So sometimes it's just a laugh to see how things turn out and how much people reject them.
Strider 03.02.11	"umm thrice started off as rock music, then decided they like radiohead and coldplay more than they liked rock music. converge started off as a slayer imitation with rahrah vox and then they started to try to please sputnik. circle takes the square is basically a hardcore wham for the 2000s" ^This
Remer17 03.02.11	Sonic, do you think every band that changes their sound are sellouts? Thrice were on a major label and left specifically so they could have more freedom to create the music they wanted to. That's the complete opposite of selling out. Converge have been around forever so their sound is obviously going to change. I never cared about CTTS but I never had the impression that they could be considered sellouts.
AgentYorkMorgan 03.02.11	and I throw my bid in for Cryptosy
geng 03.02.11	"ummm geng, are you crazy? melvins didnt do it, rush didnt do it" I'm not saying there aren't some bands that resist selling out, of course there are. But I think that a lot of the people, though not all of them, who criticise bands for selling out would do the exact same thing given the chance.
pmmets07 03.02.11	"Blink 182" no
Strider 03.02.11	As I said, a band that sells out is good in a way, more people start to like them and get into their older stuff. but if they start making crap while doing it, then fuck them...
DinoX 03.02.11	I wouldn't say Linkin Park sold out because their new style is less popular. Rise Against Rise Against Rise Against
MO 03.02.11	A big part of it also is it's really difficult for bands who hit it big with an album to keep the ball rolling and dish out new, innovative music that their fans will go bananas for over and over. Inevitably they'll release an album which kind of divides their fans and then get deals based off their name/legacy of their breakout album more than their music.
UnderDaIce 03.02.11	Wiz Khalifa Cryptopsy In Flames Norma Jean (on Anti-Mother) Hatebreed AFI A Day to Remember
UnderDaIce 03.02.11	And just about every nu-metal band
Strider 03.02.11	Norma Jean did not sell out :o
Remer17 03.02.11	Sonic, you're clueless or you're trolling me.
Strider 03.02.11	Sonic, Thrice became less and less accessible with each album imo
Remer17 03.02.11	Also, LOL @ the idea that ANY band gives a fuck about "trying to please sputnik."
couldwinarabbit 03.02.11	rush needs to be here
geng 03.02.11	Iggy Pop is the ultimate sellout, the guy does fucking car insurance adverts.
Remer17 03.02.11	Where did you get Coldplay from? And your response to strider made no sense. If by accessible he meant worse, then what he said would mean "Thrice became less and less worse with each album imo"
geng 03.02.11	I've hated Iggy Pop ever since I was at a party and some drunken prick kept on putting the same two Stooges songs on repeat for the entire evening.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Gettim Remer17, you've got him on the ropes but he is quite wily with cat like reflexes.
Remer17 03.02.11	@frantictictictictok Shut the fuck up :)
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"ozzy sold out hard" But he was old so it's cool.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	^ agreed but still... Edit: at Sonic
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Chill FTTTTT all is well.
Strider 03.02.11	I added Ozzy
bungy 03.02.11	didn't Smash Mouth used to be a ska punk band?
omnipanzer 03.02.11	^ yes bungy and I thought their first album was great. Edit: second album (Fush Yu Mang).
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Hey Fran, can I call you fran? I get it, It's not good to keep a race car in the red.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Ta... with your logical line of reasoning Pfffttt.
geng 03.02.11	You could probably argue that The Dillinger Escape Plan sold out as well, especially with Ire Works.
Dummit 03.02.11	"dirtyturds" i.e.: the albums on this list.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"Stooges reloaded" ----------------< that shit is totally coming you fucking know it is.
Remer17 03.02.11	"You could probably argue that The Dillinger Escape Plan sold out as well, especially with Ire Works." Oh yeah because they're just rolling in the green now...
omnipanzer 03.02.11	^ new guy likes to tear it up...
Remer17 03.02.11	@omni LOL, I have a computer at my job and very few responsibilities.
geng 03.02.11	"You could probably argue that The Dillinger Escape Plan sold out as well, especially with Ire Works." Oh yeah because they're just rolling in the green now... Well, they're definitely more widely known now than they were in Calculating Infinity era, and their music is certainly more commercial. I'm not criticising, I love the stuff with Puciato just as much as Calculating, but I'd say it classes as selling out.
Dummit 03.02.11	DEP borders the fine line of getting noticed over time with more and more touring, word of mouth, and getting noticed because you make badass music that more people are finding and liking...
Strider 03.02.11	Okay guys, pull yourselves together and give me the last band for this list.
AnotherBrick 03.02.11	bands don't sell out you tard
MO 03.02.11	In Flames, they sold out...badly at that
Thane 03.02.11	selling out = compromising your art to make it more accesible if iggy pop does car adverts, who cares as long as he still makes music that is still good (i know he doesn't but you get the point)
Dummit 03.02.11	Nickelback...used to be sooo Kvlt
Strider 03.02.11	lol
Remer17 03.02.11	"Well, they're definitely more widely known now than they were in Calculating Infinity era, and their music is certainly more commercial. I'm not criticising, I love the stuff with Puciato just as much as Calculating, but I'd say it classes as selling out." They're still not even remotely commercial. The average pop music fan would still listen to Dillinger and be completely bewildered.
AnotherBrick 03.02.11	Probably the worst list in a long time. Needed a good laugh, thanks
ConsiderPhlebas 03.02.11	if iggy pop does car adverts, who cares as long as he still makes music that is still good (i know he doesn't but you get the point) When you participate in (and make a living from) a genre and lifestyle that bucks against conservative political and social systems, then become a vocal proponent of those systems, it kinda means you've sold out. Punk might just be a fashion to some, and to most now, but it's original appeal had nothing to do with aesthetics.
Strider 03.02.11	"Seriously delete my comments or ill just spam atreyu lyrics" right away !
Dummit 03.02.11	i want to see what song lyrics he'll pull up. it'd be worth a good laugh.
Satellite 03.02.11	can we just delete the author of this list from sputnik instead?
Dummit 03.02.11	such a sellout.
Zanders 03.02.11	Pyogenesis.
Strider 03.02.11	I'm trying =(
Inveigh 03.02.11	lol I understand the concept of what "selling out" means to most people, like if you're favorite band changes their sound and you don't like it and it also happens to bring them more money then you get to scream "SELL OUT" but honestly the notion that any musicians do it solely for the love of music AND NOTHING ELSE is fucking stupid. because then they wouldn't record any music at all, and if they did they'd give it away for free. and they'd charge bare-bones minimum prices to get into their shows -- only enough to cover gas and food money and they'd sleep in their vans. and they wouldn't make t-shirts.
Inveigh 03.02.11	I realize my last post is extreme and not 100% applicable, but my point is that every single person who puts out an album and presses t-shirts and goes on tour has some sort of monetary agenda, and there's nothing wrong with that.
MO 03.02.11	^that's why Cloudkicker rules, he just does it as a hobby and releases it for free or pay what you like
geng 03.02.11	Cynical, but absolutely accurate.
ConsiderPhlebas 03.02.11	No, you're right, Kat. Only got half my attention on this. What I'm saying is that punk is just a style now, accepted by all society, except the ultra-conservative, so being a punk fan is just about liking the kind of guitar playing, singing you enjoy. In the beginning, in England at least, it was brutally confrontational to be a punk, and becoming one had little to do with the specifics of the music.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Pretty sure I made that point albeit much less eloquently up about comment 15 Inveigh ;^P
NigelH 03.02.11	How has no one mentioned Weezer? Possibly the greatest sell-outs of all-time post-Pinkerton.
ConsiderPhlebas 03.02.11	Should state that bands making music to make loads of money is cool, it's just old punks doing car insurance adverts that stinks
Strider 03.02.11	Yeah, Weezer
Inveigh 03.02.11	sorry omni this was way too long for me to read through all of the comments lol
geng 03.02.11	Oasis sold out when they played Knebworth.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	I know, you way was better.
Inveigh 03.02.11	and yeah Phleb is right on about the original punk movement. but then there were still agendas and goals outside of just music -- they just weren't monetary either. which is respectable in and of itself.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	P.S. Fuck Oasis. (anger directed at the band not the user known as geng).
Thane 03.02.11	I don't know Inveigh. I think that's a bit extreme. To tour and sell t-shirts you need to have an audience, and if that audience is there, then why not do it? As long as you keep making good music, there's no problem. "Selling out" used to be about making crap music to get on MTV, now TDEP gets called sell-outs?
geng 03.02.11	Yeah I'd echo that sentiment. I live in Manchester where everyone thinks the Gallagher brothers are gods.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	I fucking hate them. Idiots shit where they eat and think fans will stick around to give a fuck about them. That's on top of their hugely over inflated ego's. I swear they have brain damage.
Dummit 03.02.11	Sorry for the inconvenience, whoever called TDEP a sellout has been sacked.
Strider 03.02.11	TDEP sell outs... lol
Remer17 03.02.11	LMAO Monty Python.
geng 03.02.11	I didn't called DEP sellouts, I said it could be argued that they sold out because they changed their sound to something that is more accessible, which coincided with them becoming slightly, though not very much, more commercially successful. DEP are one of my favourite bands, and I think the idea of criticising a band for "selling out" is stupid in the first place. Read the thread before commenting you cretin.
Strider 03.02.11	"I said it could be argued that they sold out because they changed their sound to something that is more accessible, which coincided with them becoming slightly, though not very much, more commercially successful." good point
omnipanzer 03.02.11	We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.
Remer17 03.02.11	A Møøse once bit my sister...
geng 03.02.11	Listen, in order to maintain air speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings 43 times per second, right? Am I right?
ConsiderPhlebas 03.02.11	Gotta be honest, when I heard the Justin Timberlake cover by DEP, kinda thought they'd sold out
geng 03.02.11	It's scary how much Greg's voice sounds like JT on that cover. Although I personally prefer the cover of Paranoid.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"Gotta be honest, when I heard the Justin Timberlake cover by DEP, kinda thought they'd sold out" I just pretend they were being ironical & shit.
Strider 03.02.11	The JT cover was badass
omnipanzer 03.02.11	^ Richard D James cover = best.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	Yeah, totally, Muse sold out. What a fucking dumbass. Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra, Exogenesis...TOTALLY COMMERCIAL
Remer17 03.02.11	MK Ultra's a kickass song.
Strider 03.02.11	I personally enjoy that album, but it was clear after that that Muse had sold out. Plus, they did music for Twilight...
omnipanzer 03.02.11	I'm still holding out hope for one more album... they had enough good credit built up with me to hang in for one more.
Remer17 03.02.11	Muse was huge long before Twilight so why did they need to sell out? I like The Resistance anyway too so whatever.
Strider 03.02.11	I really don't care what they'll do anymore, because they have a good set of classics already, so I'll always be going back to those anyway
geng 03.02.11	Muse were already massive before they released The Resistance. Black Holes & Revelations and the Wembely shows made them the biggest band in Britain. They didn't need to sell out with The Resistance, they just made a horrible album.
Titan50 03.02.11	"What I'm saying is that punk is just a style now, accepted by all society, except the ultra-conservative, so being a punk fan is just about liking the kind of guitar playing, singing you enjoy. " No. I don't consider myself a "punk" (to go around saying you're a punk is just stupid, as is labelling yourself in similar manners), but I listen to numerous punk bands (modern and old) and I'm not just attracted to "the kind of guitar playing, singing". I like the attitude. The "Fuck you, I don't give a fuck about what you say" attitude. As do a number of my friends. I mean, look at Gallows. The King Blues. Punk's not dead, you're just an idiot
rjmunthe 03.02.11	Linkin Park also did not sell out, they got less commercial. And, you are missing quite a few...Dinosaur Jr, Goo Goo Dolls, Incubus (A Crow Left of the Murder, not Make Yourself), Metallica (how did you miss them, dumbass?), Queen (Hot Space), R.E.M. (Green), Tool (10,000 Days), U2...man, you are a moron.
Strider 03.02.11	they weren't that big in the USA until the Twilight - Resistance era
rjmunthe 03.02.11	And yes, Muse was already massive. However, The Resistance is obviously pointed towards bringing Muse-Mania to America; and it's fair to say they've succeeded, I mean, I'm pretty sure they could fill a stadium nowadays.
geng 03.02.11	"Linkin Park also did not sell out, they got less commercial. And, you are missing quite a few...Dinosaur Jr, Goo Goo Dolls, Incubus (A Crow Left of the Murder, not Make Yourself), Metallica (how did you miss them, dumbass?), Queen (Hot Space), R.E.M. (Green), Tool (10,000 Days), U2...man, you are a moron." Metallica's on there, genius.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	And stfu about Twilight. Lots of good bands were on that soundtrack. Supermassive Black Hole wasn't written for Twilight, and yes, NSC was fucking horrible.
Strider 03.02.11	I hesitated for U², and Metallica are on the list
Remer17 03.02.11	I remember them getting big here around Absolution...
omnipanzer 03.02.11	^ Queen - no
rjmunthe 03.02.11	Oh, haha. Oops.
geng 03.02.11	Tool aren't sellouts either, regardless of your feelings for the band. Each album has becoming progressively more, well, progressive. Look at Wings For Marie parts 1 and 2, and Rosetta Stoned.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	Muse started to gain a good-sized fanbase with Time is Running Out and I distinctly remember my Dallas Stars using the Knights of Cydonia as their opening theme song. They were popular in rock circles before; now they're universally known. My 60 year old Government professor knew who they were, ftlog.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	I love Tool. How can you say 10,000 Days wasn't a sellout? :O It's like the same damn album as Lateralus.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"I remember them getting big here around Absolution..." No, Origins because New Born was in High Tension. Thats when my friends and I got into them anyway and then it was on the radio a bit before Absolution came out. That's here anyway.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	Haha, yeah, when I saw them it was funny watching people attempt to headbang to the beginning of Third Eye.
ConsiderPhlebas 03.02.11	lmfao. Gallows had their single playing in clothes shops when it came out and on radio 1. However 'fuck you' their attitude, they were either accepted or ignored. Society actually felt revulsion when punk originally took hold in England - just look at the literature and journalism of that era. Never said punk was dead, you uneducated fool, but the aesthetic side took over long ago. You and your friends might like the attitude, but what effect does it have, beyond the shallow massaging of your malformed egos?
rjmunthe 03.02.11	Origin created buzz, but it wasn't even released here. Plug in Baby got radio play, but that was all you could get from Origin of Symmetry in America sans-Internet.
Remer17 03.02.11	"No, Origins because New Born was in High Tension." Most people didn't see that movie lol.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	I mean, live, Matt always says "wow that was good for a song that wasn't even released here, haha" because of the epic sing-a-long.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"the aesthetic side took over long ago." Yes, we would refer to various things as punk rock or not punk rock and if it wasn't punk rock it was out. Included everything from attitude to Clothing.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"Most people didn't see that movie lol." read the rest Remer I'm pointing out how I remember it getting popular as a whole. ;^)
rjmunthe 03.02.11	plug in baby was an extremely minor hit in modern rock radio
omnipanzer 03.02.11	I have no access to such records but I clearly remember various tracks off of Origins being played here however we do have a station to excels (or did) at playing the lesser known alt/indie music.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	Yeah, I mean I guess on indie circles the singles may have circulated but the fact Origin's release was limited to the UK damaged it from ever getting big in America, if that didn't happen, who knows, Muse may have been the biggest band here too. Cos Plug-In Baby and Bliss are pure sex.
Titan50 03.02.11	How the fuck did R.E.M. sell out with Green? "Gallows had their single playing in clothes shops when it came out and on radio 1" And? So what, that just means they're popular. Big deal, they still have that uncompromising attitude, have you even listened to Grey Britain? "Society actually felt revulsion when punk originally took hold in England" I know. Your point? "You and your friends might like the attitude, but what effect does it have, beyond the shallow massaging of your malformed egos?" And we intend to act upon it given the chance. And what?
rjmunthe 03.02.11	R.E.M. sold out with Green because in the past they were making jangly indie pop anthems and went to alt-rock bullshit like Stand
geng 03.02.11	"And we intend to act upon it given the chance. And what?" Yeah man, fucking revolution dude!
Remer17 03.02.11	"And we intend to act upon it given the chance." HA
rjmunthe 03.02.11	brah settle down pop a pill and relax
DiceMan 03.02.11	The average level of intelligence in this thread is hovering dangerously right above 0.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	what's your gauge of intelligence? iq levels? it's impossible to get a 0 if so
Titan50 03.02.11	"R.E.M. sold out with Green because in the past they were making jangly indie pop anthems and went to alt-rock bullshit like Stand" Yes. And then went on to make Losing My Religion and Everybody Hurts. And what
rjmunthe 03.02.11	Exactly my point. Alt-rock bullshit. Automatic for the People was made for commercial audiences to eat up.
Remer17 03.02.11	Come at me bro.
Strider 03.02.11	you know that that's not viable ?
omnipanzer 03.02.11	Diceman fucked up our average, thanks bro.
DiceMan 03.02.11	There's no savin it sorry broski
rjmunthe 03.02.11	yea fuck off diceman go post in the dragonforce thread much higher intelligence there ya
Inveigh 03.02.11	"I don't know Inveigh. I think that's a bit extreme. To tour and sell t-shirts you need to have an audience, and if that audience is there, then why not do it? As long as you keep making good music, there's no problem. "Selling out" used to be about making crap music to get on MTV, now TDEP gets called sell-outs?" I guess my point is that "selling out" in general is a stupid term. As long as a band sounds good, who cares if and why and how they change their sound? If a band changes it's sound to get more popular, but still sounds great -- then why does it matter? Every band that gets accused of "selling out" to get on MTV or whatever probably wanted to make a lot of money in the first place, and it just didn't work. So they changed their approach. I appreciate artists that strive to make quality art -- but I also accept the fact that 99.9% of them do it with the simultaneous hope of cashing in on it. Whether it's their first album or not.
Alexcore 03.02.11	nd everybody knows that St. Anger is a masterpiece of modern metal. wait,whut?
geng 03.02.11	Inveigh wins thread
rjmunthe 03.02.11	TDEP aren't sell-outs. Don't know how from being a Botch clone to a hardcore FNM makes you a sellout.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	"all time low" We have not yet begun to defile ourselves.
Inveigh 03.02.11	I definitely don't think TDEP are sell-outs, in fact, I can't remember the last time I called any band or artist a sell-out
rjmunthe 03.02.11	AFI sold out As did U2 with All That You Can't Leave Behind
rjmunthe 03.02.11	& Metallica, although they unusally went back to their roots with DM and made a sick album
ConsiderPhlebas 03.02.11	I've listened to all Gallows stuff. It's angry, but who does it bother, frighten or provoke? My original point, to do with Iggy Pop and his insurance adverts, was that punk aesthetics were originally a means to an end. People didn't start shouting and screaming into mics, wearing mohawks etc because they liked the sound of shouting or the look of a particular haircut - these things were done as a response to social norms, they were an attack. Now they are a drop in the capitalist ocean (major labels, major radio stations, popular clothing lines). The specifics of punk might still be attributes of a minority, but they are accepted things now, part of the social fabric they once tried to change. Parents drive their kids to punk shows these days. Without the genuine sense of rebellion it once provided (not just on a personal, emotional level), all thats left is the music and fashion, which is great, but it is aesthetic.
rjmunthe 03.02.11	man this thread is loosing it's entertainment values maybe i should go pick up my medicine for my flu now bye guys ily
Remer17 03.02.11	I just thought of a HUGE sellout that I don't has been mentioned... Santana on Supernatural.
omnipanzer 03.02.11	A schooner is a boat dummy...
ConsiderPhlebas 03.02.11	serious extremes
Inveigh 03.02.11	yeah I don't know much about their music beyond TTTYG, I just meant the fact that they were some suburban, SUV-driving douche bags even before they were famous nothing wrong with being from the suburbs not sure why I mentioned that
Strider 03.02.11	I loved her fancy underwear I'd sit behind her every year Waiting for the chance to get To tell her I'm the one she should be with, oh She's popular with all the guys So innocent in my eye I could see her in my life She would've had the world if she were mine, but
Inveigh 03.02.11	lol that's true I guess. again not sure why I even mentioned that bc it's really irrelevant
Strider 03.02.11	true, Atreyu be making big dough.
Strider 03.02.11	Btu to be honest, if I could, I'd be in da club makin party people holla
BloodSweatandBeers 03.03.11	In Flames for sure, I don't understand how they went from making great melodic death metal to tweeny pop metalish garbitch
pedroia55 03.03.11	Some of these are sell-outs, but some are just really bad bands.
808muzik 03.04.11	Lolwut, stupid list. Most of these guys sucked in the beginning.
ssttaannzzii 03.14.11	I am the biggest sell out in music history.
Zanders 03.14.11	Let me say it again, Pyogenesis.
mete0ra 03.24.15	Three words for ya: All That Remains
Aftertheascension 03.24.15	All that remains[2] Taylor swift
zakalwe 03.24.15	John Lydon - Traded in his values to flog butter and his soul is forever rotten. Don't be told what you want and don't be told what you need.....unless it's a tasty alternative to butter.
Aftertheascension 03.24.15	u2 needs to be here too