FreePizzaDay: Defeater Wins

FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	Fight me.
Gorification 02.23.11	yeah, everyone was saying it wouldnt beat travels.
deepintheorchard 02.23.11	Downloading right now. So ready to hear diz shit mang.
deepintheorchard 02.23.11	Downloading right now. So ready to hear diz shit mang.
Gorification 02.23.11	@orchard just dont make the mistake of thinking its a bad rip because it cuts off on white oak doors. its intentional.
Realm 02.23.11	idc
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	I mean, I'll admit, I wasn't expecting anything as good as Travels or Lost Ground. That was retrospectively a pretty foolish thing to think. @deepintheorchard enjoy it mang.
deepintheorchard 02.23.11	It just.....cuts off?
iSkane 02.23.11	Great album their best definitely. Although I was too stupid to realize "White Oak Doors" cuts out. I apparently don't listen to lyrics very closely. I also
Gorification 02.23.11	just listen to it, its fucking great.
SeaAnemone 02.23.11	Defeater is generally overrated but yeah, this album is better than anything they've done before I have to admit.
Gorification 02.23.11	i think travels was way overrated, but i 5'd this with ease.
Captain North 02.23.11	Travels looks pretty amateurish in comparison now though.
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	I don't think they're overrated at all. I'm not Sputnik's "hardcore authority" or anything like that but I know the genre very well and this band does all sorts of new and interesting things. They're just well liked, and in the world of opinions, there's always someone who will equate that to mean "overrated." But yeah, it's their best, no doubt about that.
fr33convict 02.23.11	they succeeded at making their two previous incredible works look like shit.
cvlts 02.23.11	the dick riding continues. album is amazing
Gorification 02.23.11	i just dont think travels was anywhere near a classic. i have it at a 4, but it didnt blow my mind. empty days & sleepless nights did.
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	I mean, if you gotta ride a dick it might as well be one that makes good music... no homo.
Realm 02.23.11	album is prob good but kris sucks so it will stay a 2 for now
slaythesocialists 02.23.11	I can't wait to put my review out for it, album is fucking incredible, especially in the context of the storyline
Aids 02.23.11	oh man I can't wait for this to get here in the mail..........
North0House 02.23.11	What? It's out? Frick, I need money...
Defeater 02.23.11	yeah I win a lot
taxidermist 02.23.11	I still can't believe the name Defeater wasn't taken!
kris. 02.23.11	just suckin away on that defeater dick but its cool cuz its totally fucking deserved imo
Defeater 02.23.11	yeah my dick is huge
kris. 02.23.11	yeah you got a big ol dick
kris. 02.23.11	you kknow you like it homo
Defeater 02.23.11	cumming from the guy with the chapped butthole up there^^
taxidermist 02.23.11	So gay!
Defeater 02.23.11	so I'm finally downloading our color green after being unable to stop playing coloring book today
kris. 02.23.11	bro you werent supposed to tell anyone about my chappedness :(
taxidermist 02.23.11	Don't change the subject, Defeater! You are gaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!! Lol.
Defeater 02.23.11	"Don't change the subject, Defeater! You are gaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!! Lol." I don't think so Fancy Pants. hell no chambered lmfao
Realm 02.23.11	new defeater rules new pth suuuuuuuuuucks
taxidermist 02.23.11	Jk brah! ;)
Defeater 02.23.11	fuking beaners piss me right the fuk off be glad there's cartels down there
taxidermist 02.23.11	That's right! I got them on call!
YouthCat 02.23.11	I prefer Scurrilous. Also Travels maybe.
Defeater 02.23.11	are you dum
kris. 02.23.11	seriously if you don't like this you either have no heart or you're mentally challenged
taxidermist 02.23.11	I have it, but have only listened to the first track...which was pretty good.
YouthCat 02.23.11	Its still a good album. I liked the Travels part of the story better. This one was too sad. I probably just need to listen to it a few more times.
Defeater 02.23.11	music before story
kris. 02.23.11	but the story's what makes this so great imo
BassDemon333 02.23.11	No. The story and the music both surpass Travels.
YouthCat 02.23.11	Without the story, I wouldnt like Defeater near as much as I do.
Defeater 02.23.11	brothers rules because of the atmosphere headstone and I don't mind rule because of the lyrics
kris. 02.23.11	everyone forgets but breathing :(
deepintheorchard 02.23.11	I listened. And now I'm not wearing any pants. 5/5. Wow.
Captain North 02.23.11	What I really like here, is that the music fits the story a lot better than it did previously.
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	"Its still a good album. I liked the Travels part of the story better. This one was too sad." Bro that's the gayest thing that's been said in this thread so far.
pmmets07 02.23.11	#1 of 2011 so far. lol at how obvious that is
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	The acoustic tracks are so great. On paper I wasn't a fan of the idea, but it's pulled off extremely well. It's all a little more happy and serves point out that even in the lives of this miserable family, there were some moments of good and triumph. You end the end album hoping that this family in death entered a better place where they're together and happy. Perfect ending.
InFiction 02.23.11	Listening now. Before, I wasn't entirely convinced with the amount of hype by you guys, but shit, this album is GOOD.
Spec 02.23.11	mmmmm
wyankeif1337 02.23.11	so i'm gone for 3 fucking days and Defeater leaks what the fuck
Tyrael 02.23.11	That must have been an awesome homecoming then.
wyankeif1337 02.23.11	it was
Scoot 02.23.11	yeah nothing is going to touch this
dixoncocks 02.23.11	Brothers is damn good, it reminds me of newer as cities burn.
wyankeif1337 02.23.11	remember Sputnik's 3rd Law... "For every hyped album there is an equal and opposite outpouring of 'meh'." hell, it might not even apply this time
Scoot 02.23.11	even the resident douches like this album that says something
wyankeif1337 02.23.11	not like that gay radiohead bs
Kiran 02.23.11	how long has this been leaked?
Scoot 02.23.11	two days
Kiran 02.23.11	are you serious? there's like a hundred 5's
cvlts 02.23.11	i know dude... its ridonkulous
Scoot 02.23.11	yeah for a good reason the 5s are worthy in this case
Captain North 02.23.11	I have to admit, the hype for this is ridiculous though. I love the album and do think its near perfect...but seriously.
InFiction 02.23.11	Jane Doe better watch the FUCK out.
Scoot 02.23.11	would you rather have a crappy album hyped like crazy or a near perfect one?
Scoot 02.23.11	let's hype the shit out of asking alexandria's latest.
Scoot 02.23.11	"5.0 Metalcore album of the decade. Converge cried when they first heard it, Misery Signals bows before the very presence of this CD, Botch disbanded because of it. This album is ridiculous" thar.
CrownOfMagnets 02.23.11	Travels is a pretty solid album but hardcore music "hurts my wittle ears" after 30 mins of listening or so. Will download new album when I get around to it.
omnipanzer 02.23.11	Soooo, Is this band any good?
omnipanzer 02.23.11	Then how can it be hardcore? You can't have any hardcore if you don't bring the MOSH.
Captain North 02.23.11	I'm not sure why that matters at all.
alachlahol 02.23.11	defeater is radio pop hardcore
CrownOfMagnets 02.23.11	with a little jazz fusion and crabcore
porch 02.23.11	the hype train for this would be less of a joke if it didn't consist almost entirely of the worst users on the site and if most of you actually knew anything about hardcore. good band though
DoubtGin 02.23.11	fuck the hype same with glassjaw
Captain North 02.23.11	What, it has energy. It has shittonnes of energy and is over flowing with fit to burst emotion. It's just not easy to move to. Thats what I thought you meant.
CrownOfMagnets 02.23.11	OMG who said Glassjaw?
Captain North 02.23.11	Also, that's a pretty fine example of judging an album by slapping a genre on it. So it doesn't work on the same level as other hardcore stuff...I just think that's a bit limiting.
DurzoBlint 02.23.11	Tbh hep kat I dont find it a problem. I go to shows for the music not to "mosh". I can see your point but would it really change your mind if you were going to see them?
CrownOfMagnets 02.23.11	Yeah let's judge the music by how many people mosh at their shows.
Captain North 02.23.11	I do think there's a lot of energy on here. But i agree, its not really moshing energy...not hardcore moshing anyway. But I still don't see the problem, you're just judging it by the wrong standards.
omnipanzer 02.23.11	"What, it has energy. It has shittonnes of energy and is over flowing with fit to burst emotion." So it's Emo?
Captain North 02.23.11	If it doesn't have emotion I'm not sure its good music, emo =/= emotion.
omnipanzer 02.23.11	So if it's not Emo genre it's not good music?
CrownOfMagnets 02.23.11	This album is really good by da way.
Captain North 02.23.11	Wait, so this is just about genre tagging? Ergh. And omnipanzer, wtf shut up.
CrownOfMagnets 02.23.11	I was just joking. Calm down, Hep.... uh. Fat. yeah. burned.
omnipanzer 02.23.11	I feel a Hep Kat Hardcore list coming on. /clap excitedly /chant Hatebreed, Hatebreed, Hatebreed, Hatebreed, Hatebreed, Hatebreed, Hatebreed, Hatebreed, Hatebreed,
omnipanzer 02.23.11	"Wait, so this is just about genre tagging? Ergh. And omnipanzer, wtf shut up." Hardcore = Mosh No mosh no hardcore. That good sir is a fact of life.
DoubtGin 02.23.11	boris
omnipanzer 02.23.11	/pound it
alachlahol 02.23.11	its so easy for me to relate my life experiences to downtrodden blue collar hardcore bands like modern life and defeater because ive had it hard theyre almost narrating my life story
alachlahol 02.23.11	i will now quote adam downers sound off for titus andronicus, another quintessential blue collar band who exemplified the feelings of todays angst filled youth with their latest album the monitor: "reminds me of what its like to believe in punk rock"
omnipanzer 02.23.11	I didn't like Titus Andronicus as much as everyone else (3/5). Is this comparable to that?
omnipanzer 02.23.11	k,thx I'll throw them on the bottom of my list for a slow day then.
alachlahol 02.23.11	downer lost faith in punk rock but titus andronicus made him a born again believer thats how defeater is theyll make you believe there is more to this world than meets the eye
CrownOfMagnets 02.23.11	someone review this
coleba 02.23.11	Holy shit I hadn't heard Brothers yet.
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	"the ENTIRE point of hardcore punk is the energy. empty days and sleepless nights, while being a v v good album, does not have that type of energy" "most of the people giving this a 5 have prolly never even been to a hardcore show. this album is good music, but none of it brings the mosh. n-o-n-e of it." Just rate what's on the fucking disc Jesus Christ and cut this hypothetical live performance shit out of it. And if you think Defeater doesn't bring the energy, you've obviously never seen them live, and it you think they don't bring the mosh, you're right, they don't, but you're a fucking idiot for thinking they're obligated to. If that's all you want out of your hardcore there's six trillion bands out there that are happy to give you what you want.
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	I mean, I like Hep Kat and respect his tastes, but c'mon. Defeater's an emotionally heavy band, even if they're not very heavy in actuality. Anyone who knows and loves hardcore ought to embrace the fact that the definition of hardcore is flexible enough to allow bands like Defeater to exist.
DinoX 02.23.11	Glad to see love for the song Brothers
DinoX 02.23.11	I don't think anything this band can do will top Travels for me.
taxidermist 02.23.11	They sure don't bring the mosh, but god damn. Wouldn't you like to be there? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZrsWjNY1a0
botb 02.23.11	yeah this album isn't moshy at all but i do like it a lot. but it's wayyy wayyyy overhyped to the point where it's almost annoying.
Scoot 02.23.11	cue the site elitist backlash
wyankeif1337 02.23.11	as i said, Sputnik's 3rd Law. "For every hyped album there is an equal and opposite outpouring of 'meh'."
omnipanzer 02.23.11	How Hep?
Scoot 02.23.11	that's because it's a fucking awesome album i don't understand why so many people are opposed to hype. does this site matter so much to you?
Motiv3 02.23.11	new defeater album is pretty much the greatest thing ever or at least for 2011.
Scoot 02.23.11	jesus walks is still my favorite kanye song
cvlts 02.23.11	some true colors comin out in this thread
Spec 02.23.11	Kanye sucks.
alachlahol 02.23.11	alright ill lay out the truth for you bros but it might be harsh. its the people with no credibility who overhype this band and thats the way the cookie crumbles
Scoot 02.23.11	...who gives a fuck?
alachlahol 02.23.11	if you want an example of 0% cred then take a gander one post above me
Scoot 02.23.11	oh noes mai street cred
omnipanzer 02.23.11	webz cred or sput cred
Scoot 02.23.11	guys my life is over i have no sput cred
BassDemon333 02.23.11	To say this album doesnt have the same aggressive feel that Travels had is fucking retarded. Some of these songs are among the heaviest they've ever done.
Defeater 02.23.11	"alright ill lay out the truth for you bros but it might be harsh. its the people with no credibility who overhype this band and thats the way the cookie crumbles" all i heard was farts
Scoot 02.23.11	really? i heard undeserving pretentiousness but that's just me
cvlts 02.23.11	buttfuckinghurt
Defeater 02.23.11	how the fuck are people giving this 3.5
omnipanzer 02.23.11	2.5
Scoot 02.23.11	i'd stop buttfucking then
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	"alright ill lay out the truth for you bros but it might be harsh. its the people with no credibility who overhype this band and thats the way the cookie crumbles" I didn't overhype this band because my rating for Travels was one of the first 15 or so up, and I was still a few months late to the show. Every other message board or hardcore site was into the album months before the album had 10 ratings here on Sputnik. That's because as much as Sputnik's elite claim to know about hardcore, credibility, and who deserves hype, they actually don't know shit and are often times as impressionable and bandwagon jumping as the 0 credibility users they spend their whole day talking down to. That's how the cookie crumbles, sorry to say.
Dev518 02.23.11	It seems that some people don't like this album just so they can think that they are a part of the new "music elite" or something.
Defeater 02.23.11	breaking out the ruler
cvlts 02.23.11	oh snap, shits gettin real
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	At the risk of starting this making exceptions game, I would make an exception for Hep Kat because I rarely see anything I've even heard of on his lists. Edit: I said this much earlier in the thread as well.
Defeater 02.23.11	call me ignant but I don't see how people are giving this 2s even though it seems all the people who did are the fucking morons of the site (ire, etc.)
Defeater 02.23.11	prob true and I want to beat up satellite for giving it a 3.5 hahaha
Scoot 02.23.11	who claim to have more 'cred' than people who actually like to enjoy music and not be faggots
alachlahol 02.23.11	"I didn't overhype this band because my rating for Travels was one of the first 15 or so up, and I was still a few months late to the show. Every other message board or hardcore site was into the album months before the album had 10 ratings here on Sputnik. That's because as much as Sputnik's elite claim to know about hardcore, credibility, and who deserves hype, they actually don't know shit and are often times as impressionable and bandwagon jumping as the 0 credibility users they spend their whole day talking down to. That's how the cookie crumbles, sorry to say." hey listen here buddy do you even know what a penis is? hype has nothing to do with how early people start talking about an album it has to do with the amount of attention and critical acclaim an album receives. even so youd be wrong saying this album hasnt been anticipated on this site for the last dickade cause people like uhhkris and a billion other jokers have been shooting loads in the travels thread for months over when defeater is releasing a new joint and yo assface heres an example of a site with more diverse/extensive taste as well as more user traffic and how their hype for this album compares to sputniks: RYM http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/defeater/empty_days_and_sleepless_nights/ - 17 ratings vs SPUTNIK http://www.sputnikmusic.com/soundoff.php?albumid=71166 - 128 ratings
Defeater 02.23.11	lol 3s
Defeater 02.23.11	damn that confused suburban white kid
wyankeif1337 02.23.11	rym are such fags becuz they dont share my tastes on another note i think it's funny that all 3 of Defeater's real albums have 4.4 averages.
omnipanzer 02.23.11	Look at alchlachlach pullin out the facts and figures. /impressed
cvlts 02.23.11	now thats just bullshit mang
wyankeif1337 02.23.11	Lost Ground is one of my eight 5s...
FreePizzaDay 02.23.11	I know this website overhypes shit, that was never my argument. I was calling into question your statement that that is the fault of zero credibility users by stating the rather obvious fact that when it comes to Sputnik, almost everyone is a zero credibility nobody and it's dumb of you to come in here and start pointing fingers like you're somehow above all this shit.
taxidermist 02.23.11	I have lost ground as a 3.5 :3
Scoot 02.23.11	I know this website overhypes shit, that was never my argument. I was calling into question your statement that that is the fault of zero credibility users by stating the rather obvious fact that when it comes to Sputnik, almost everyone is a zero credibility nobody and it's dumb of you to come in here and start pointing fingers like you're somehow above all this shit. [oo]
ConsiderPhlebas 02.23.11	They could do with stretching themselves a bit more in the lyrical department
HaydenDyson 02.23.11	15$ with taxes and shipping included. for the 2 cd album and 64 page book. good deal i think il wait.
alachlahol 02.24.11	"I know this website overhypes shit, that was never my argument. I was calling into question your statement that that is the fault of zero credibility users by stating the rather obvious fact that when it comes to Sputnik, almost everyone is a zero credibility nobody and it's dumb of you to come in here and start pointing fingers like you're somehow above all this shit." youre still wrong. there are users on this site with consistent, good taste and those with consistent, horrible taste. if you frequent this site in even a minor capacity youll eventually realize who is trustworthy when it comes to recommendations and album opinions
Spec 02.24.11	And then there are users like you who pretend to listen to good music so you seem cool on the Internet.
omnipanzer 02.24.11	Words can hurt Spec...
alachlahol 02.24.11	pretending to like music so i can be cool
kris. 02.24.11	"if you frequent this site in even a minor capacity youll eventually realize who is trustworthy when it comes to recommendations and album opinions" like me mirite
omnipanzer 02.24.11	your good for a laugh. ;^P
kris. 02.24.11	i will fucking kill you
omnipanzer 02.24.11	see ;^D
omnipanzer 02.24.11	Hep Kat wins list /start slow clap bring in the broads!!!
FreePizzaDay 02.24.11	"youre still wrong. there are users on this site with consistent, good taste and those with consistent, horrible taste. if you frequent this site in even a minor capacity youll eventually realize who is trustworthy when it comes to recommendations and album opinions" What does that even mean? That some users consistently have good taste and can be trusted? Isn't that completely subjective? Or are you going to tell me now that there are some users whose tastes are objectively good?