HSThomas: Straight-edge, Political Metalcore.

AnotherBrick 12.03.10	straightedge = lol fags
ffs 12.03.10	undying
Josh D. 12.03.10	Why would you actually want this? It's no coincidence that music with those topics usually suck badly.
Spec 12.03.10	Oh what's that band called. I Declare War! "They're poisoning our water with fluoride!"
couldwinarabbit 12.03.10	well metalcore sucks in general and this would only suck it up more. Bad Brains- Bad Brains not what you asked for at all but this is what you are actually looking for.
ffs 12.03.10	being vegan or abstaining from alcohol etc is cool w me but straight edge people usually come off as self righteous pricks
grindcore777 12.03.10	Edge for life.
WithHorsesInHerEyes 12.03.10	Was JP's band Struggle sxe? If so, they beat the entirety of this list combined.
Athom 12.03.10	get some Judge, Undertow, and old Throwdown(TD for edge only) albums.
IAmHollywood 12.03.10	Straightedge is stupid. But so is getting effed up
Josh D. 12.03.10	being vegan or abstaining from alcohol etc is cool w me but straight edge people usually come off as self righteous pricks [2]
wyankeif1337 12.03.10	Integrity (I think...)
Emim 12.03.10	RAISE YOUR FIST IN THE AIR idk, deathstar maybe?
WhiteWallStargazers 12.03.10	lol deathstar
FreePizzaDay 12.03.10	HSThomas is aware of Integrity. But I'd say Strife, and as far as specific albums go, I'd get "In This Defiance."
Winsomniac 12.03.10	Verse was awesome. I have a banner of theirs in my room :D Also, dunno if you'd be into it in the least, but Stray From The Path had a pretty cool viddy for 'Damien'.
Winsomniac 12.03.10	Make Your Own History is pretty aggressive. I liked it.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.03.10	One King Down - God Loves, Man Kills I'm not a huge fan of overtly christian music but this album is sweet. Their sxe lyrics are unusually openminded, too. And they quote Watchmen. Members went on to form Most Precious Blood I believe.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.03.10	Oh and Undying rule, particularly The Whispered Lies of Angels
tkxxx7 12.03.10	I'm sxe but I don't try to force on anyone, and I generally don't even mention it unless someone asks. Passionate belief, whether religious or otherwise, is a form of lunacy. So, I don't tend to feel too strongly about any particular thing.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.03.10	I tried being sxe for six months, then got bored and got fucking blasted. Never looked back.
IRAI 12.03.10	vegan political metalcore = Cipher. 100% think Shai Hulud/ Zao, with almost a rapping flow from the vocalist. totally awesome shit. im surprised no one said Minor Threat yet. Propagandhi, either. idiots are in every movement, and they normally get the most attention. for a lot of people, Straight Edge is a lifestyle, and a personal choice, its not a fashion statement or a trend to adhere to, as some see it as. to expect others to be forced to believe what you do is fascism, so most of the people who go around toting straight edge as a weapon and a means for a 'crusade dont deserve to represent the idea of it. this kinda shit makes me ashamed of all the years ive been straight edge, because i have to instantly defend and distance myself from thos self righteous pricks you speak of when people think of it. Passionate belief, whether religious or otherwise, is a form of lunacy. [2]
Ovrot 12.03.10	Cattle Decapitation are a bunch of vegans but they rule
IRAI 12.03.10	thanks. ive been trying to dig out of this hole for years. 'isn't straight edge that gang?' is a normal first response i hear from people, which is really disheartening...
Emim 12.03.10	"Passionate belief... is a form of lunacy." wut
ConsiderPhlebas 12.03.10	You haven't heard Shai Hulud, man? Get on it!
Trundle 12.03.10	oh....my....god....
ConsiderPhlebas 12.04.10	Prepare for greatness.
IRAI 12.04.10	my friend is Shai's touring Bassist lol.
tkxxx7 12.04.10	@Enim - wut wut I've been considering checking out Shai Hulud.
WithHorsesInHerEyes 12.04.10	Minor Threat isn't metal lol.
DeafMetal 12.04.10	Listen to powerviolence.
cvlts 12.04.10	fuck straightedge. drink booze, smoke blunts, fuck bitches. no recs.
DeafMetal 12.04.10	I'm stoned right now mattafack.
Aids 12.04.10	I've gotta say, I'm surprised at some of the users showing how fucking stupid they are, like AnotherBrick, who is usually a bro, posting dumb shit like 'straightedge = lol fags". In my opinion, musicians in the vegan/alternative lifestyle realm or whatever are totally committed to their morals and should at least be respected for that. Personally, I have huge respect for anyone with enough discipline and morality to subscribe to a vegan lifestyle (and not be a pretentious douche about it). Anyway, The Dillinger Escape Plan are not straightedge but are all for animal rights and some of their lyrics are very driven by that sort of tone (especially on their latest album). And, Rise Against aren't metalcore but they've got some pretty good songs with a lot of those sorts of themes present.
Spec 12.04.10	Getting fucked on drugs rules.
IRAI 12.04.10	"passionate" should have been 'fanatical'. my bad. straight edge - the largest, most disorganized group/subculture of people.
theartofdoom 12.04.10	Vegan Reich are the most fanatical motherfuckers out there with the whole straight edge/vegan thing
IRAI 12.04.10	slaps a guy with a cigarette in his mouth in the face
climactic 12.05.10	why would u want this genre
crowing51 12.05.10	Yes i am straight edge, but i will say i get into fights with other straight edge kids if they are being dicks to my friends who smokes/drink etc and try to start shit like its all about respect and fortunately the statistic of a straight edge person is diluted by the stupid dipshit who wanna fight a guys and be violent just because they smoke. Grow the fuck up.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.05.10	"In my opinion, musicians in the vegan/alternative lifestyle realm or whatever are totally committed to their morals and should at least be respected for that. Personally, I have huge respect for anyone with enough discipline and morality to subscribe to a vegan lifestyle (and not be a pretentious douche about it)." I never understand this argument, that people who adhere to strict moral codes automatically deserve respect. Moral codes are fantasies projected onto the world, and they are as vulnerable as any other form of fantasy to being close-minded, self-righteous idiocy. The straight edge movement, including even the most pacifistic elements, is born of the idea that being drug free and chaste is somehow inherently superior to choosing to use drugs and having 'promiscuous' sex. It's puritanism by another name. And veganism is ridiculous to the extreme. Choosing to live vegetarian because of an objection to mass farming is one thing, but placing animals into some sacred realm where even drinking milk is considered morally wrong or distasteful is romanticised bullshit.
Satellite 12.05.10	yeah, i mean, i'm as dedicated to getting wasted as straight edgers are to avoiding it... if not more so when you count the ones over 21.
Satellite 12.05.10	and i'm a vegan and i don't think that really warrants me thinking i'm better than everyone. there are way, WAY more legit reasons that i'm better than everyone.
Satellite 12.05.10	reducing your ethos to something you don't do is beyond retarded.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.05.10	Sxe has always been hugely focused on its opposition, which is why it's so stuffed with apparent superiority. Veganism, as a whole, is different. The main concern isn't to critcise meat eaters.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.05.10	The local ALF used to meet in a pub near me. Bunch of fucking retards.
accompliceofmydeath 12.05.10	I can't think of any bands off the top of my head. Just thought I pop in and say I'm straight edge and don't think I come off as a douche, or beat anyone up for drinking or anything else like that.
accompliceofmydeath 12.05.10	Thanks, duder!
DeafMetal 12.05.10	Powerviolence legends, Harm's Way, wait outside of bars and beat up drunks. Good music, but the band members suck.
DeafMetal 12.05.10	Yeah, he's huge. If you believe in something that strongly, punching people isn't going to convert them.
DeafMetal 12.05.10	From what I remember hearing, yeah.
DeafMetal 12.05.10	Typical, beating up someone who is defenseless. No wonder people hate straight-edge kids. I'm about to pack a bowl right now.
Emim 12.05.10	"damn. it's pretty funny how the government recognizes them as a legitimate terrorist group." ELF firebombs thousands of targets a year. I'm pretty sure they qualify.
Satellite 12.05.10	i think "thousands of targets a year" is a huge exaggeration. but yeah they're dumb.
crowing51 12.06.10	''I never understand this argument, that people who adhere to strict moral codes automatically deserve respect. Moral codes are fantasies projected onto the world, and they are as vulnerable as any other form of fantasy to being close-minded, self-righteous idiocy. The straight edge movement, including even the most pacifistic elements, is born of the idea that being drug free and chaste is somehow inherently superior to choosing to use drugs and having 'promiscuous' sex. It's puritanism by another name. And veganism is ridiculous to the extreme. Choosing to live vegetarian because of an objection to mass farming is one thing, but placing animals into some sacred realm where even drinking milk is considered morally wrong or distasteful is romanticised bullshit.'' Are you saying there is nothing wrong with smoking drinking and doing drugs? I wouldn't say that they deserve to say they are better and Superior but i WILL say it means they makes better decisions when it comes to ones health. That is the only difference.
botb 12.06.10	"being vegan or abstaining from alcohol etc is cool w me but straight edge people usually come off as self righteous prick" how is that any different than saying straight-edge is gay or something like lolol straight edge it still comes across the same.
ShadowRemains 12.06.10	lol this argument
climactic 12.06.10	It's basically like this The straightedge movement is stupid, no one gives a fuck if you do drugs or not...and.... vegans should be respected (if they're not condescending), even if they are all crazy.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	That's exactly what I'm saying, yes. Our language forces us into thinking as if binary oppositions actually structure the world, and not just the way we think. Smoking and drinking are perfectly fine in moderation; you don't get cancer from a few cigerettes a day and you don't lose your wife and kids because you drink a beer. These things are demonised because of the worst case scenarios. Driving on a busy road is a pretty bad decision if the moral objective of life is to live the longest possible time; where's the calls for a ban of cars? Sxe'rs equate drunkeness with weakness; why? We are all subject to our unconscious desires, including the capacity for self-destruction, so it's not like we're really at the wheel anyway. Getting drunk just changes your perception temporarily - the meaningless hatred of that is nonsense bordering on insanity.
Crysis 12.06.10	Try Day Of Suffering and Point Of No Return
climactic 12.06.10	sxe people just don't understand that beer tastes good and makes you happy...it's not a "weakness" per se, although without self control it could be
Satellite 12.06.10	phlebas just said it perfectly.
ShadowRemains 12.06.10	/end thread excluding recs
crowing51 12.06.10	Everyone in the world does those things in 'moderation' ConsiderPhlebas. You really need to actually think about what you are saying because the real world is not like that at all.
Satellite 12.06.10	saw a dude at a show this summer with x's tattooed on the backs of his hands... drinking a beer. not sure if the tattoos were ironic or if he didn't feel like undergoing the painful removal process. either way it was great.
Satellite 12.06.10	i think you completely missed the point crowing.
crowing51 12.06.10	I see the point perfectly it does not make up for all the cons of doing those things. Which proves my point of being sxe or vegan is clearly being smarter than say a person who 'takes a chance' on moderation then next thing you know it is not so moderate anymore. So saying there is NOTHING wrong with drinking,smoking and doing drugs is wrong.
climactic 12.06.10	lol if you're smart and know your limits there are very very little cons sounds a lot better than being sxe
Satellite 12.06.10	doing things like drinking a few beers and smoking a cigarette here and there in moderation doesn't equate to risk-taking... at all. it's less dangerous than driving your car.
LegendofPittman 12.06.10	I am what some people call "Straight-Edge", but I hate the label in general. Plus it's okay since Ian Mckaye hates it too.
Satellite 12.06.10	i think most sxers missed the "i'm a person just like you..." part of that song.
LegendofPittman 12.06.10	Oh yeah I know, it really bothers me when they look down on others, even people who just smoke and drink occasionally.
crowing51 12.06.10	Tell that to the person who was ''having a few beers'' that killed friends of mine in a car accident. Of course he was drunk but he was obviously drinking in 'moderation' for that to happen right? Or to a person who got lung cancer from having 'a cigarette here and there'' I assure you alot of people do not have'' a cigarette here and there''. Doing it period is a risk and you cant say it is not lol. That like saying a person took one Ecstasy pill in moderation yet they died because of it ''which people do'' that is still a risk lol.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	So you're afraid that drinking alcohol might sweep you into alcoholism and an early grave? Also, my point is that 'wrong' suggests that there is some universal moral law saying we all need to ultra safe and live long lives, which there isn't, for better or worse. Living an unhealthy life isn't wrong, it's just living an unhealthy life. As we are subjects of language, we attach right and wrong to everything: cooked is better than raw, white is (traditionally) better than black, up is better than down. In reality all of this is nonsense, including things that damage us. How much of human advancement has been destructive to the people responisble? And how many of them were drinkers and smokers? The fetishization of health is modern cult, nothing more. Every PHD, teacher, soldier and cop I know used to get fucked every weekend - never hurt them, never hurt me. So who gives a fuck?
climactic 12.06.10	i would just like to say that the dude who discovered DNA was on acid at the time good day
Crysis 12.06.10	this thread is a fucking cesspool
Satellite 12.06.10	"Tell that to the person who was ''having a few beers'' that killed friends of mine in a car accident. Of course he was drunk but he was obviously drinking in 'moderation' for that to happen right?" wait so nobody should be allowed to drink because some idiot got behind the wheel while loaded and killed your friends?
crowing51 12.06.10	I know what you guys are saying and i agree, to a extent. My only problem is that ConsiderPhlebas said it was NOTHING wrong with smoking or drinking and doing drugs. Then you want to pull out the ''moderately' card like everyone does it. If that was the case we would not have millions of alcoholics,drug addicts, and drunk drivers in the world let alone people dying because of all those things that we do now and that is fact.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	"Tell that to the person who was ''having a few beers'' that killed friends of mine in a car accident. Of course he was drunk but he was obviously drinking in 'moderation' for that to happen right? Or to a person who got lung cancer from having 'a cigarette here and there'' I assure you alot of people do not have'' a cigarette here and there''. Doing it period is a risk and you cant say it is not lol. That like saying a person took one Ecstasy pill in moderation yet they died because of it ''which people do'' that is still a risk lol." Oh, you're an idiot; sorry. Drink driving is incredibly dangerous to the people around you, but it's the person who decided to drive that is immoral not the drink. Do you know what the number one cause of violence is throughout human history? Sexual desire. Is sexual desire morally wrong? Should the human race cease all procreation because some people are rapists?
climactic 12.06.10	a cesspool of fun
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	There is nothing wrong with smoking because 'unhealthy' does not equal 'wrong'. It is simply unhealthy.
Satellite 12.06.10	so i'm watching football right now and drinking in moderation (i'll have no more than 5 beers tonight). i exercise constantly, i don't smoke, i'm a vegan, and generally a healthy dude. please explain to me how my actions are endangering myself or anyone around me.
crowing51 12.06.10	''so i'm watching football right now and drinking in moderation (i'll have no more than 5 beers tonight). i exercise constantly, i don't smoke, i'm a vegan, and generally a healthy dude. please explain to me how i am endangering myself or anyone around me.'' Now do you see how you said you WILL have five beers. All i am saying is that not everybody does and probably will have waay more tonight and go drive and get a a drunk driving accident or beat their girlfriend/wife somewhere because of them being drunk. That is all i am saying.
Satellite 12.06.10	don't get me wrong, i also like getting blackout drunk and making mistakes as well. it's really not hard to know when enough is enough.
Satellite 12.06.10	so you think alcohol is the underlying cause for their spousal abuse and they'd be getting along splendidly without it?
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	The idea of moderation isn't to excuse anything, it just proves that these things aren't automatically deadly, as crowing seems to think. There were plenty of wars, rape, murder and self-destructivity before someone worked out how to make beer.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Drink drivers are messed up because they drive when drunk. People that beat their wives are messed up because they bullies who get off on causing pain. I could drink 15 beers and I'd never hit a fucking woman, even to protect myself. Same with every dude I know.
crowing51 12.06.10	''The idea of moderation isn't to excuse anything, it just proves that these things aren't automatically deadly, as crowing seems to think. There were plenty of wars, rape, murder and self- destructivity before someone worked out how to make beer.'' Now thanks to them they can add to all that right? Yea makes perfect sense. I know they are not automatically deadly but you seem to think nothing about them are. I am saying that is can be and is alot of the time deadly.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Most of the men in my family were brutal alcoholics and heavy smokers, with a propensity for extreme violence, so I think something of it actually, particularly as half of them are dead. But, crucially, they were fucking dickheads with no self control. and due to deep psychological problems they suffered from a deep rooted urge to self-destruct. If they'd never seen an alcoholic drink, they'd have been the same. Football caused them more damage than anything they imbibed, made them hurt others too. Is that the fault of some dudes kicking a ball? No. Was it the drink? No. Beer isn't some magic potion that turns you into something else, it amplifies your characteristics, but so does adrenaline.
crowing51 12.06.10	''so you think alcohol is the underlying cause for their spousal abuse and they'd be getting along splendidly without it?'' Someone doesn't know about the woman who are beat by there husbands because they are drunk. There are many organizations for it. Hell watch a talk show or something about women who talk about there husbands who are great then, they get drunk and starting beating their ass. Or you could ask my aunt who was abused by a alcoholic. It happens is all i am trying to say guys lol.
Satellite 12.06.10	they're not beat by their husbands because he's a drunk, it's because he's a destructive asshole. don't get me wrong, booze is going to exacerbate the situation greatly. but you can't just blame it all on the a-a-a-a-a-alcohol.
crowing51 12.06.10	Wow that jamie fox reference made me totally forget my original reply lol
Satellite 12.06.10	goddamnit, alcohol doesn't turn someone from banner to hulk just like that. like, i'm not going to be at dinner with my girlfriend then beat the shit out of her because i drank a shitload of wine.
Satellite 12.06.10	yeah couldn't help myself.
Winsomniac 12.06.10	So this one time at Rihanna and Chris Brown's house...
crowing51 12.06.10	Let me guess she was giving birth and they sacrificed it to the Illuminati or some shit
climactic 12.06.10	wow this thread really went to hell
crowing51 12.06.10	But anyway if the whole world could do those things in ''moderation'' and not be dangerous i would love that. Sadly the world is far from that and that makes me sad.......so to prevent myself from doing any of those things and a very fucked up childhood because of those things i am sxe. That is all and i hope all of you don't end up on the news in a overdose or drunk driving scene because that would seriously make my day lmao. I guess you can say the same for me if you saw me with a drink in my had lol.
Winsomniac 12.06.10	COCKPUNCH! - Attack. Straightedge album of all time right there.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	"so to prevent myself from doing any of those things and a very fucked up childhood because of those things i am sxe. That is all and i hope all of you don't end up on the news in a overdose or drunk driving scene because that would seriously make my day lmao. I guess you can say the same for me if you saw me with a drink in my had lol." Puritanical bullshit.
crowing51 12.06.10	Sharkpunch - Livin la vida SXE Just for the lulz
fr33convict 12.06.10	wow this thread really went to hell[3]
crowing51 12.06.10	''Puritanical bullshit.'' U mad you can't commit to what i do or something bro? lol
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Yeah, you got me, crowing. I'm in awe of your power.
climactic 12.06.10	"U mad you can't commit to what i do or something bro? lol" The thread just went in full circle right back to square one. Jesus fucking christ
crowing51 12.06.10	"That is all and i hope all of you don't end up on the news in a overdose or drunk driving scene because that would seriously make my day lmao".... it would make your day if I died : * ('' I said scene not murder scene, and of course it would not make my day if you died andcas :)but it would be funny on the inside the reason behind it if the other guys who i was debating with did though lol
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Well, at least we got to witness the moral sxe'r wish us all dead in drink driving accidents. Kinda fun.
crowing51 12.06.10	For you guys i am sure you will love this as i did lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Denv3eGf8
crowing51 12.06.10	''Well, at least we got to witness the moral sxe'r wish us all dead in drink driving accidents. Kinda fun.'' Guess you missed the ''i hope all of you don't end up'' part then huh?
climactic 12.06.10	you also said it would make your day..
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	"That is all and i hope all of you don't end up on the news in a overdose or drunk driving scene because that would seriously make my day lmao." The last half of that sentence kinda suggests the first half is sarcastic.
crowing51 12.06.10	just in the inside for the sake of lulz, since you guys were pretty much saying how you would never be one of those drunk drivers or drug addicts i was saying exist lol, since you guys do things moderately as you put it.
Winsomniac 12.06.10	needz moar double dutch rudder.
crowing51 12.06.10	''Okay, its hardcore dancing time!! wait what?! theres no hardcore dancing aloud?!?! FUCK THAT!!!'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jLf-FbaLA&feature=related
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	You have a strange sense of humour, crowing, but thanks for letting me know that drunk drivers and drug addicts exist. Learning stuff is fun.
wyankeif1337 12.06.10	Did I miss a gay Sputnik debate?
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	The most gay sputnik debate.
wyankeif1337 12.06.10	There's been gayer.
Winsomniac 12.06.10	I'm not edge, but I love me some edge music. You can't live drug free with an STD. Don't fuckin' talk to me if it burns when you pee!
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Winsomniac 12.06.10	paramore? all of 'em? lol'd, but true.
Winsomniac 12.06.10	too bad Haley's boobs aren't as big as they are.
alachlahol 12.06.10	crowing's blind faith in the straight edge philosophy is an example of how easily people can be herded
crowing51 12.06.10	''crowing's blind faith in the straight edge philosophy is an example of how easily people can be herded'' Not blind faith just Logical reasoning thank you :)
alachlahol 12.06.10	drunk driver killed friends in accident = alcohol is the devil
alachlahol 12.06.10	as opposed to the drunk driver being a fucking idiot as well as your friends being dumb enough to get in the car with him
crowing51 12.06.10	drunk driver killed friends in accident = alcohol is not good=unhealthy=why take the fucking chance period=logical and rational thinking.
Winsomniac 12.06.10	HAHA OH SHIT. I just noticed, they didn't only perform but they went to kuwait......wtf? way too big for their own good now. Yeah, and sadly I can only wish that fate for Haley's boobs.
crowing51 12.06.10	''as opposed to the drunk driver being a fucking idiot as well as your friends being dumb enough to get in the car with him'' They were hit and killed by a drunk driver, not in the car. Read again my trolling friend
deathofasalesman 12.06.10	A guy put an X on my hand yesterday to get into a club and it pissed me off.
crowing51 12.06.10	lol
crowing51 12.06.10	Yea that shit is priceless, I know sooo many people who broke its ashame like wtf did not even last 5 years lol
deathofasalesman 12.06.10	Permanent marker that was hard to wash off. Not cool.
alachlahol 12.06.10	i misread what you'd written in the wall of text that is this thread. and because i disagree with you doesn't mean i'm trolling but nice try
crowing51 12.06.10	He tried to brand you salesman lol.
Awesomesauce 12.06.10	Yeah. Try explaining that shit when you're 34, half drunk and hitting on a girl in a bar.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Logical reasoning. Drink driver kills someone; drinking is immoral. Man rapes woman; sex is immoral. Plane crashes and kills hundreds; flying is immoral. Straight edge chump wishes people dead for no good reason; straight edge is immoral. Angry woman hits woman; anger is immoral.
alachlahol 12.06.10	crowing will break eventually can't be a punk rock hero forever
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	No, he'll never break. The uneducated, obsessive fundamentalists always stay true to the edge.
crowing51 12.06.10	Logical reasoning. Drink driver kills someone; drinking is immoral. Man rapes woman; sex is immoral. Plane crashes and kills hundreds; flying is immoral. Straight edge chump wishes people dead for no good reason; straight edge is immoral. Angry woman hits woman; anger is immoral. WOW LMAO!!! Not only was that a bad troll attempt but you show that you can not read either. First of all i NEVER wished death on anybody. Second i only said that is is logical reasoning not to drink for me because...nvm. fuck this thread filled with dumbasses who post dumb shit. like really why explain what i already explained and what you all should know.
crowing51 12.06.10	No, he'll never break. The uneducated, obsessive fundamentalists always stay true to the edge. I SEE WHAT UZ DID THEREZ!!!
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	"That is all and i hope all of you don't end up on the news in a overdose or drunk driving scene BECAUSE THAT WOULD SERIOUSLY MAKE MY DAY LMFAO." Everyone on Earth has the right to be an illiterate moron, but you just abuse it. And the thing about logical reasoning is, it can't be personal, it's either logic or not.
crowing51 12.06.10	"That is all and i hope all of you don't end up on the news in a overdose or drunk driving scene'' The last sentence i explained by saying that that it would be a funny thing because you guys are talking shit about how much drinking is not bad and its you all do it 'moderately''. That would be a complete hypocritical moment for you guys and funny moment if you guys were in a scene like that for me. Just like i am claiming edge and you saw me with a drink in my hand a day from now or something. Don't be so butthurt over something you obviously failed to truly comprehend.
ShadowRemains 12.06.10	COOL STORY BRO
DeafMetal 12.06.10	About to pack a bowl right now mattafack.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	I truly fail to comprehend how that would be funny, especially to someone claiming to have friends who died in a drink driving accident, someone who thinks they are moral because they don't drink. If I had claimed that I did nothing but drink moderately it might be ironic, but funny? Nah. And my point about moderation was a counterpoint to your apocalyptic view of drinking, nothing more. Even heavy drinking isn't immoral. Do you think your better than every doctor, nurse, fireman and teacher who drinks a lot, you arrogant little child.
ShadowRemains 12.06.10	i should join you...(@deaf), crowing you're an idiot, stfu and gtfo
DeafMetal 12.06.10	You totally should. Sabbath and bowls all night bro.
ShadowRemains 12.06.10	SWEEET LEEEAF!
DeafMetal 12.06.10	It's also not all that difficult to be moderate with marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, etc. I've been smoking for years and still only smoke one or two cigarettes a day.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	You'll be a deranged killer soon enough, Deaf. It gets everyone apparently.
crowing51 12.06.10	''I truly fail to comprehend how that would be funny, especially to someone claiming to have friends who died in a drink driving accident, someone who thinks they are moral because they don't drink. If I had claimed that I did nothing but drink moderately it might be ironic, but funny? Nah. And my point about moderation was a counterpoint to your apocalyptic view of drinking, nothing more. Even heavy drinking isn't immoral. Do you think your better than every doctor, nurse, fireman and teacher who drinks a lot, you arrogant little child.'' Hmm thats was not a counterpoint that was a shitty attempt to replace what you said at first which was. ''That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.'' to my question of ''Are you saying there is nothing wrong with smoking drinking and doing drugs?'' Hey look at that i don't twist and misread EXACTLY what you said like you seem to do allot to what i put. and second i never said i was BETTER but obviously makes better chooses when it comes to my health moron. I believe that a doctor or nurse drinking and smoking is the funniest shit of all. So yea i would laugh at that also. Who is the arrogant child here really?
ShadowRemains 12.06.10	you and you're being a cunt so shut the fuck up
DeafMetal 12.06.10	Can't we all just smoke the peace pipe and get along (lol cause that would exclude sXe kids).
crowing51 12.06.10	It's also not all that difficult to be moderate with marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, etc. I've been smoking for years and still only smoke one or two cigarettes a day. Thats is for you not everyone, i am pretty sure andcas posted about how nicotine is a motherfucker and how he smoked waay more than he wanted to.
ant4tbc 12.06.10	i'm edge. you're not? thats cool. and thats how i live my life.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	You. There is nothing wrong with smoking and drinking. Nothing at all. They are unhealthy, but only in certain conditions, and only deadly in extreme or chronic conditions. Unhealthy does not equal wrong, because if you know anything about psychoanalysis you'd understand that the human urge for self-destructivity is in EVERYONE. It is an empirically provable FACT of human existence and is the cause of all antagomism in humanity. And if people choose to do something that is unhealthy, it is nothing more than a choice to do something unhealthy. Drinking isn't immoral. Driving isn't immoral. Drinking and driving is immoral. You judge drinking by the COMBINATION OF THE TWO and yet driving gets a pass. You are the victim of an ideological construction and I pity you.
ShadowRemains 12.06.10	boom headshot
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Oh and it's recommended by the world health authority that you drink one glass of red wine a day, because it decreases the chance of cancer significantly. Better get on it, to not would be a bad choice.
Jakeitwasaghost 12.06.10	I'm going to put my cig out on your penis.
DeafMetal 12.06.10	andcas: What's that from bro? Phlebas is right. Drinking or smoking is no more immoral than choosing not to smoke or drink.
Winsomniac 12.06.10	http://9gag.com/gag/54741/ DRINKING IS BAD, GUYS
DeafMetal 12.06.10	Winsom: That rules.
wachooo 12.06.10	fuck you so much.
crowing51 12.06.10	I am pretty sure i already stated that it was unhealthy, that was my original post and saying that is the ONLY difference between sxe and non sxe. And yes i also said that all those conditions CAN and HAVE happened. Then i capped it off my saying that those reasons alone, and my shit childhood filled with smoking, drinking and drugs lead me to say why even bother with taking a chance anyway. Not once did i say ''hey u smoke, bitch you is dumb straight edge for life'' or whatever uptight asshole sxe edge kids do these days that bring it down. I was only arguing your there is nothing wrong with drinking and smoking and drugs. and it seems that they are wrong for your health, hmm i guess that means nothing is still wrong lol. Oh and you still have yet to say your rebuttle against drugs also, you did say there was nothing wrong with them either. So i will say if that is your way of looking at life then i really pity you sir.
DeafMetal 12.06.10	"be careful DeafMetal, anytime someone has a peaceful dream they get capped."
Winsomniac 12.06.10	I SEE YOU PASSED OUT ON THE GROUND WITH THE GIRL I LOVE AND IM LIKE FUCK YOU!
DeafMetal 12.06.10	Haha yeah exactly or I'll be the Emil Grunzweig of Sputnik.
DeafMetal 12.06.10	I've already got deaf down so...
Winsomniac 12.06.10	And the Anne Frank?
Winsomniac 12.06.10	Classic misdirection.
DeafMetal 12.06.10	Lol @ palaceofwisdom's profilce picture of himself.
ShadowRemains 12.06.10	dude was such a jackass
DeafMetal 12.06.10	No he's dead.
alachlahol 12.06.10	bumping this in honor of crowing's ignorance and adherence to bullshit propaganda
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	"I am pretty sure i already stated that it was unhealthy, that was my original post and saying that is the ONLY difference between sxe and non sxe. And yes i also said that all those conditions CAN and HAVE happened. Then i capped it off my saying that those reasons alone, and my shit childhood filled with smoking, drinking and drugs lead me to say why even bother with taking a chance anyway. Not once did i say ''hey u smoke, bitch you is dumb straight edge for life'' or whatever uptight asshole sxe edge kids do these days that bring it down. I was only arguing your there is nothing wrong with drinking and smoking and drugs. and it seems that they are wrong for your health, hmm i guess that means nothing is still wrong lol. Oh and you still have yet to say your rebuttle against drugs also, you did say there was nothing wrong with them either. So i will say if that is your way of looking at life then i really pity you sir." Alcohol is a drug, as is nicotine. But if you mean illegal drugs then, again, there is nothing wrong with them. Using something which has a dramatically negative effect on your health, like heroin for example, is plain idiocy, but idiocy isn't immoral, it's just idiocy. For things like marijuana, which is used medicinally, not least because it is so safe, the illegality, particularly in America, was born of political reasons. Hemp was a threat to oil, and that wasn't acceptable. This is a recorded historical fact. The idea that drugs should be illegal anyway is useless. It elevates drugs to an edgy, cool status that is tempting to those wanting to rail against authority and puts money in the hands of brutal organised criminals. Legalise it, tax it to fuck and make it seem boring; that'd do more for the rates of addiction and drug abuse. Drugs just perform the role of the radical 'other', a thing which people can blame all society's ills on. Look back in history at all the major atrocities humanity has perpetrated; none of them were caused by drugs or drink. There will never be a societal ideal, human nature isn't capable of it, and blaming things which exacerbate it is pointless.
alachlahol 12.06.10	broken dream/phlebas is hammering his point home over and over and crowing is either ignoring it or just can't see it
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Yeah, I'm done now. Just gonna have a glass of port then go on a murder spree.
IRAI 12.06.10	god/no god, and being vegetarian/vegan. those were two other topics that got this big a thread that i can remember, and by this time in all of them there were two users out in left field arguing wayy too intently about it. The point is: who gives a shit? dont tell me what to do, and i dont tell you what to do. that's how most people are about this. there's no revolution. there's only awareness. thats all. think about what you do. period. drink. don't. it doesn't matter. no one is right or wrong. live your own life ffs.
alachlahol 12.06.10	listened to Rage Against The Machine last night blew a stop sign in my blinding fury. aggressive music is wrong
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	So people should do what they want, unless what they want is to discuss things.
alachlahol 12.06.10	IRAI should not return to this thread
Yordy 12.06.10	people seem to not be able to have a healthy debate without attempting to downright bring each other to the ground. I can count on my two hands how many drinks I've had this entire year. If you can give me one good reason why that's unhealthy, I will never touch alcohol again. I could sit there and say "no" until my vocal cords die. I believe it takes more will power to know when to stop.
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	When the beliefs are retarded it seems pretty necessary to challenge 'em. Nothing would ever change otherwise.
DeafMetal 12.06.10	Trve that ^
ConsiderPhlebas 12.06.10	Personal opinion backed up with scientific fact, a considered, rounded point of view, understanding of the subject and years of personal experience. And my criticisms of crowing were based on his close-minded, ill-judged and deeply cynical views, which I just summed up with 'retarded'. That's not opinion, he made it explicitly clear that his reasoning was deeply flawed. I'm not going to be nice to someone who thinks it'd be funny for someone to die in a car accident.
FatChickIrl 12.06.10	text blocks
porch 12.06.10	too many people have died on these battlefields
porch 12.06.10	also crowing has been saying some really stupid things in this thread
waterboy92 10.26.11	i know im late, and im not reading every comment. but i rec. the band Chokehold. incredibly talented.