Nagrarok: The Essential Cream

Nagrarok 09.30.10	Undisputable top 3: 1. Sunshine of Your Love 2. White Room 3. Badge
EVedder27 09.30.10	great list, 7 is prob in my top 3 though
Prolapse 09.30.10	i jizzed
BigHans 09.30.10	Undisputable top 3: 1. Sunshine of Your Love 2. White Room 3. Badge ^ Correct.
Nagrarok 09.30.10	EVedder... check, BigHans... check. Okay, that'll probably be it for the comments on a Cream list.
BigHans 09.30.10	lol, probably, until Connor sees it.
Spec 09.30.10	Cool.
cvlts 09.30.10	awesome list
AngelofDeath 09.30.10	These are good picks. A shame more people don't like Creme.
BigHans 09.30.10	ba ba ba ba ba ba I Fell Free ba ba ba ba ba ba
Nagrarok 09.30.10	*A shame more people don't know Cream.
Jethro42 09.30.10	Hey Hey I'm there!! Awesome list I'd place 7, 8 and 12 higher, and 5 and 6 a tad lower. Voilà
Nagrarok 09.30.10	It's not ranked Jethro.
BigHans 09.30.10	Clapton is God
LepreCon 09.30.10	Conor has seen list. Conor approves of list.
Jethro42 09.30.10	oh my...coffee break :P and where is 'Politician'?
Nagrarok 09.30.10	Nag approves of Conor's approval. Politician would go to honourable mentions.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	wow hans likes all the most popular songs from a band never seen that before
BigHans 09.30.10	Moron
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	despite his influence there are many better than him now, and many better than him back then. Not even in terms of just skill itself. He's not even the reason why I love this band
BigHans 09.30.10	Progmaster, that was a joke. Clapton is God used to be spraypainted all over the walls of London. Bone up on your rock history idiot.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	He won't.
Nagrarok 09.30.10	Yes kids, learn your pop music history. Seriously.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	Lol I know how revered he is, I happen to be a guitar player myself. I don't care if it was 'spray painted everywhere" or whatever. People now would prolly spray paint "Disturbed are awesome" everywhere, but are they? I never said he sucks or isn't important, I said that I personally think he's been outdone by people from his time and from ours. I don't hate Clapton or anything, he's obviously a revolutionary, but I personally don't think he deserves all the attention that he gets. Just an opinion, I definitely don't hate him and I also like the band a lot.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	Why are you always, always trying to start arguments when you don't have a clue on how to back up your points?
Nagrarok 09.30.10	It is funny how he keeps doing that, isn't it?
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	You think he would have learned by now.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	how did i not back up my point? Explain it. Explain how I didn't back the point that I find Clapton to be an overrated player, despite his massive cultural and musical influence. Explain how I didn't back it up. If you're gonna call me stupid, be able to explain why. What is not valid about what I just said, the fact that you disagree, or the fact that you try to fit in here by hating me?
Nagrarok 09.30.10	Some people never learn.
BigHans 09.30.10	Progmaster, come talk to me when you write a riff as awesome as Layla
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	"how did i not back up my point? Explain it. Explain how I didn't back the point that I find Clapton to be an overrated player, despite his massive cultural and musical influence. Explain how I didn't back it up. If you're gonna call me stupid, be able to explain why. What is not valid about what I just said, the fact that you disagree, or the fact that you try to fit in here by hating me? " Lol, I'm not trying to fit in anywhere. I'm a perfect puzzle piece that fits in perfectly with Sputnik naturally. Here's the facts: You start arguments, and then either you misconstrue history, or you make it up to back up your points. There would be 20 people on the thread telling you that you're wrong, but you'd still insist that you're right. Clear enough for you?
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	I never said he was bad, Hans. When it comes to guitarists in general, my favorites usually come from metal and jazz (classic era), but my favorite is actually Robert Fripp. I loveeeeee blues players despite this, for example, BB King, Robby Krieger, Jimmy fucking Page, and lots of other blues/rock guitarists. I don't love Clapton though. Not denying his influence in any way, just don't love him as a player.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	I started this argument? Hans knows I love and respect him, Im just messing with him. Also, if you can give me an example this "misconstruing" of history, I would be impressed. I usually like to start fights because its the fucking internet and I can do what I want, but never do I 'misconstrue' history. Name a time and I'd be impressed.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	Dude, I am not going to back into every single thread where it's happened and search for these events. I just don't have that much interest in this. I will, however, call you an idiot and move on. Good day to you, and I wish you well(maybe not).
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	thank god you left so now Ill be serious about the list since the hardcore wannabe is gone. 3 and 10 are the best Cream songs imo, and my mom is obsessed with 7. Who's next on your essential list Nag?
Nagrarok 09.30.10	I have no order, I just select a band I feel like every week I post this series. And Strange Brew is so good, probably my number four.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	"so now Ill be serious about the list since the hardcore wannabe is gone" Perfect example of miscontruing facts for your own benefit.
BigHans 09.30.10	whoa Ive been commenting on a Cream list and haven't quoted Badge yet.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	A little odd, Hans.
Inveigh 09.30.10	lol proggy the Clapton is God comment makes sense because it was something that was commonly written/said back then, it's a pop culture phrase that a lot of people know. There are famous pictures of "Clapton is God" tags all over London. I can't think of a time when I heard or saw anything about "disturbed is awesome" and I'm not really trying to choose sides in an argument, but I can say that you didn't really back up your point about why you think Clapton is overrated (at least in your first comment where you claimed you backed it up). you said: "I personally think he's been outdone by people from his time and from ours. I don't hate Clapton or anything, he's obviously a revolutionary, but I personally don't think he deserves all the attention that he gets." that's not backing up an opinion, that's re-stating your opinion. if you had said, "his solos were less complex than what we were hearing from Jimi Hendrix, Duane Allman etc. around the same time and he spent most of his early career piggy-backing off of his bandmates" that would've been backing up your point. you just said he wasn't the best around and was overrated. which was the same thing you said in your first comment, just in a longer form.
Nagrarok 09.30.10	Hans, what is this madness? THINKIN ABOUT THE TIMES YOU DROVE IN MY CAR
BigHans 09.30.10	um yeah, Prog just got destroyed by Inveigh
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	I must say, though, Nag, that his list has made my dick jump about 20 times already.
BigHans 09.30.10	THINKIN THAT I MIGHT HAVE DROVE YA TOO FAR
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	Blake gets on top for the pin! 1...... 2...... 3...... AND PROGGY IS DONE! DONE SON!
Nagrarok 09.30.10	Nice work there Inveigh, I was too lazy to bother myself.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	yeah Strange Brew for the win and yeah Hans Inveigh really owned me he took the time to copy valid comments about opinion and than put them together oh and Inveigh, I didn't want to take the time to analyze his technicality in comparison to other guitarists because, especially in the guitarists from the classic rock era, technical skill is not what I look at for the most part, it's composition itself. You're right, I did restate my opinion, but only because it would take me a lot longer to actually state WHY I find Clapton overrated, which I don't really need to prove to any of you. I think he's overrated in just about every sense of the word, but he's still a cultural icon and a damn good player overall. If you'd like me to actually state why he's overrated I could, but that could take a while. But what you pointed out was valid.
Inveigh 09.30.10	sorry Proggy, you know you're my boy but c'mon "You're right, I did restate my opinion, but only because it would take me a lot longer to actually state WHY I find Clapton overrated, which I don't really need to prove to any of you." ok... "how did i not back up my point? Explain it. Explain how I didn't back the point that I find Clapton to be an overrated player, despite his massive cultural and musical influence. Explain how I didn't back it up." oh master of prog... "If you'd like me to actually state why he's overrated I could, but that could take a while. "
BigHans 09.30.10	Owned again!
Nagrarok 09.30.10	And NeutralThunder aka Progmaster continues to entertain sputnik.
Inveigh 09.30.10	also I think only high schoolers overrate Clapton. it's been a loooooong time since I've heard him mentioned as a top 5 (or 10, or whatever) all-time guitarist.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	im honestly toasted right now actually really pissed off about a job and laughing that you keep thinking im serious when im currently laughing at the fact that I can provoke and idiot like Edisphoryia, but not Hans or Nag, or even Inveigh, who is still taking me too seriously ima clean up for a sec and you tell me if there is anything wrong with my next post
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	"and laughing that you keep thinking im serious when im currently laughing at the fact that I can provoke and idiot like Edisphoryia" Holy shit dude, the signs are all there, yet you continue to ignore them.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	dude leave anyway im good now. Here are my thoughts on Clapton. Inveigh, please let me know if there is anything wrong with any statement that's a part of this. Ok, Clapton. I like Clapton. I like his image, I like the Yardbirds, I love Cream and I will not deny his importance to rock music. However, in terms of playing, and I'm talking specifically blues/rock/psych guitarists, he's just not the best or even close to the best out there, and is way to applauded for really not being as fantastic as one should be when they are applauded that much. Inveigh mentioned Duane Allman, one of my favorite guitarists of all time. Allman was an amazing player, put on fantastic live shows, and knew how to blues improv like a motherfucker, yet he is not held in the esteem of Clapton. Sure, Clapton wrote "Tears in Heaven", and sure, he's very important to blues rock itself, but when guitarists or even just people themselves call him a 'god', I think they are overdoing it. Even his composition I'm not a huge fan of, overall I just think that many of the guitarists from the same genre/time who aren't as well known as Clapton deserve a higher prestige than Clapton did. Besides Jimi Hendrix, he is simply the most loved guitar player of all time, and it pains me to know that guitarists like Robert Fripp and David Gilmour are not the household name that Clapton is.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	tl; dr
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	So you weren't joking around? Not only are you an idiot, you're a liar too.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	joking around about what? i think Clapton is overrated, my above statement is why.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	"im honestly toasted right now actually really pissed off about a job and laughing that you keep thinking im serious when im currently laughing at the fact that I can provoke and idiot like Edisphoryia, but not Hans or Nag, or even Inveigh, who is still taking me too seriously ima clean up for a sec and you tell me if there is anything wrong with my next post" That sounds like you trying to make an excuse for not knowing wtf you're talking about.
Inveigh 09.30.10	ok, that was a little better Prog, but you still are suffering from not saying WHY those other guys are better or WHY Clapton is overrated. And, for the record, I essentially agree with you that he's overrated and there were better players in that style. I just wanted you to tell me why you thought so, not just tell me THAT you that so in various ways. My issue with your explanation is that you still are just saying people praise him too much and describe him with hyperbole, but the only reason you gave us as to why those people are wrong is that Robert Fripp, David Gilmour and Duane Allman are better. You really didn't even tell us why they were better. Sure, you said Allman was great live and knew how to improv blues "like a motherfucker" but you never said that Clapton wasn't great live or didn't know how to improv. Also, why don't you like him from a compositional standpoint? Are his song structures generic or unoriginal? Are they messy and put together poorly? Do they lack flow? All I got out of your last post was that you still think he's overrated, you don't like his compositions and you think that other guitarists are better. All of which you'd previously stated. You better hone your skills before you get to college and have to take a persuasive writing class holmes ;-) and again, I essentially agree with you, I was just hoping you could give some reasoning behind your opinion, rather than synonyms for it.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	"and again, I essentially agree with you, I was just hoping you could give some reasoning behind your opinion, rather than synonyms for it." Stop using big words, Blake. He won't understand what you're trying to tell him.
Nagrarok 09.30.10	Inveigh: 2 - Neutral: 0
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	Lol actually the only class that I do well in in school is creative writing. Ive taken two persuasive writing classes and aced both, but Im not here to write and essay for you. So.... I'm not here to write an essay, I gave generalities to express my point simply. You want me to get specific? Fine. If you'll read it. I can get specific as all hell because I actually play an instrument (the guitar in fact) so I can relate to every player I talk about.
AnotherBrick 09.30.10	i love reading proggys take on other guitar players skills
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	"I'm not here to write an essay, I gave generalities to express my point simply. You want me to get specific? Fine. If you'll read it. I can get specific as all hell because I actually play an instrument (the guitar in fact) so I can relate to every player I talk about. " Than why do you write an essay every time you post? At least research a lil bit before you make stupid fucking statements, like you always seem to do.
Nagrarok 09.30.10	Btw guys, this list is about Cream, not Eric Clapton and what Neutral thinks of him.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	Tell Proggy that. He doesn't know when he's beaten that the proper thing to do is bow out gracefully. I already told you, Nag, this list is -gasm worthy.
Inveigh 09.30.10	no offense Prog, but I've been playing guitar for over a decade and spent two years in college teaching guitar and music theory lessons to high schoolers. I've been reading all your posts in this thread, so I think you can assume I'd read it if you wrote "an essay" but I think the Clapton-is-overrated discussion has gone on long enough.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	I also realize that I did say he was overrated (and just that) many times but if I were to say something like "He can't sweep like Michael Romeo" or "He can't do cool effects like Tom Morello" I would receive equal hate, it would be impossible win. But if you'll read it, I will make a damn specific argument comparing him to other guitarists, and focus on his playing itself. It won't be a verbose slice of pretentiousness such as MJ's CTTS review, but if you will read it, I will gladly give you the reasoning for my opinions rather than synonyms, as you 'hoped' for. I have no problem making an argument, its why I'm here on sputnik, to discuss music. And I'm happy to do it with you, as I like you a lot and you haven't been a troll/asshole to me, so it would be my pleasure.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	"And I'm happy to do it with you, as I like you a lot and you haven't been a troll/asshole to me, so it would be my pleasure." Don't you think you deserve it a bit?
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	Ok, didn't see that post. I'll do this quick, because as thursday is my most open day of the week, I was gonna take today to do my next Cave In review, but I'll take the time now. Gimme one sec to fix this damn keyboard.....
Inveigh 09.30.10	yeah I wasn't trying to troll or be a dick, I legitimately wanted to know why you think Clapton's overrated, because I think he's a little overrated too (though not necessarily from a songwriting or compositional standpoint, more from a technical and tonality standpoint) and was interested in your reasoning.
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	Yeah, take your time. It will be better the longer it's not on Sputnik.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	ok, I wrote it, but its too long lol, let me break it up
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	Ok. First, technicality itself. Now, when one uses the word 'technicality' when referring to an instrument, they are probably referring to the actual playing ability. Not the songwriting, composition, or innovation of a player, but the actual ability itself. On guitar, technicality consists of speed, endurance and complexity of playing. Now describing the technical ability of Clapton is a simple task: he's not that great.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	ok so far Inveigh?
EuphoricDysphoria81 09.30.10	Yeah, no one cares anymore.
Inveigh 09.30.10	doing much better Progster
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	oh fuck I deleted the copied section lol. well, that sucks. I'll be specific but make it shorter. In terms of technical skill, or even tonality, like you mentioned, Clapton is definitely not up-to-par with some of his underrated contemporaries. We all know that Clapton isn't a technically gifted guitarist. Cant he out-shred Michael Keene of The Faceless? No. Can he sweep faster than Michael Romeo of Symphony X? No. Can he play as fast Yngwie Malmsteen (butchered spelling prolly)? Hell no. So in terms of technical skill, calling him, or for the most part any blues rock guitarist from the 60's better than many of the modern metal guitarists is stupid, because lets face it, in terms of solely technical ability, those modern guitarists (besides a few players from back in the day) are the best guitarists that the world has seen so far.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	Now, thats technical skill, but thats also comparing him to guitarists that are not of his class/genre. What about those that are of his era and genre? Clapton, throughout most of his career, got by by using the minor pentatonic scale and the blues scale (which is an offshoot of the minor pentatonic scale). While most blues guitarists do the same thing, others diversify the other aspects of their approach in various ways that Clapton didn't.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	For example, lets talk about Jimmy Page. In terms of technical ability, Page and Clapton are on the same level. Neither can rip you a sweet sweeping progression, but they can play some cool stuff of course (this is disregarding all epic composition skills that either player might have). However, the reason why Jimmy Page is one of my favorite guitarists ever is because of his production skills. If you are familiar with the "Woman tone" (it's Clapton's signature, overrated, and pretty much ONLY guitar tone), iit's basically heard on every Clapton recording. It's boring. The guitar sounds the same from album to album like you are re-living the same poorly written blues rock record over and over. Jimmy Page may not be a shredder, but his production skills were outstanding. No tone every sounded the same, and guitars were sometimes overlapped/multi-layered, all by the hand of Page. Each riff was distinct, album to album, song to song, and no two guitars ever sounded the same production wise. He offered something NEW on every record. He was also a brilliant composer, but we are not talking about Page.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	So Clapton always has that same "Woman Tone" that most people consider the be-all and end-all of music, and that it's so 'passionate' but it's really boring and never changes. So there. Now, lets take Duane Allman. Duane uses the same fucking scales over and over, so why is he one of my favorites? Improv. Duane always messes around live by adding new riffs and ideas to already-made songs, he constantly changes it up live and actually has a totally sweet guitar tone that really brings the eargasms. Clapton is known to usually stay true to the songs, and doesn't play around enough to entertain a real guitarist. He's very basic. I also hear he is not the best live performer, but have not personally seen him, but can tell you that people who have been to Allman Brother concerts say it was the best experience of their lives.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	I could talk about how BB King, who also uses the same scale OVER AND OVER, plays with more passion and thickness than Clapton, I could talk about how Nick Drake (yeah, ND) plays with more precision and even experiments with different tunings, and I could talk about how Jimi Fucking Hendrix plays with his teeth.
BigHans 09.30.10	did you just compare Clapton to Malmsteen? Dumbass
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	Clapton never does anything that interesting, he doesn't have the technical ability, the same damn guitar tone runs like a boring monotone on every record, and he simply doesn't have the songwriting ability or charm of his contemporaries. It's unforuntate that a name like Clapton is household, while much more technically proficient guitarists from the same time period like Fripp, Gilmour, Tom Morello (maybe not the best example when talking about time period), Frank Zappa and Steve Howe are not nearly as applauded. It may not all be about technical skill, but Clapton doesn't offer enough beside that to be nearly as lauded as he is, regardless of his influence on the genre.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	you asked for an essay, and that what I give to you. And @Hans, if you read on you'll understand why I wrote that.
BigHans 09.30.10	Steve Howe isnt appreciated because Yes were shitty songwriters
SeaAnemone 09.30.10	holy shit this thread
Inveigh 09.30.10	maybe the comparison was off-base, and that first post was a bit misguided, but everything else Proggy said was right on. that's basically what I was looking for from the beginning, the Page compare/contrast being particularly apropos
Inveigh 09.30.10	yes Sea, actual in-depth music discussion on Sputnik. mind-blowing, isn't it?
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	"Steve Howe isnt appreciated because Yes were shitty songwriters" fucking idiot I don't really see how that comparison was off though. It would be stupid to say that Clapton sucks because Malmsteen is better, but that some people actually think that Clapton is a technically proficient guitarist even by today's standards. I only said that simply to push to the side technicality as a reason for Clapton supposedly being a 'god', because he and many guitarists from his generation have been surpassed by modern players in terms of technical ability alone.
BigHans 09.30.10	Alex Lifeson ftmfw
BigHans 09.30.10	oh,and I saw Yes and Asia play back to back a few summers ago and wanted to kill myself out of boredom
Inveigh 09.30.10	no I get why you said it Prog, and it's valid that Clapton isn't very technical, especially not when compared to metal guys -- I just think it would have been better to pull someone out of that era who was a bit more technical than him and maybe doesn't get as much hyperbolic praise. Maybe like Jeff Beck.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	ahh, Jeff Beck. But even Jeff Beck isn't the most technically proficient. But god dammit does he have amazing tone and precision. Damn. And @Hans, your mind is simply to immature to be able to absorb a prog show, there are no homosexual rock anthems and shitty vocalists like Brian Johnson to quench your thirst for mediocrity. Your brain cannot handle the complexity of a YES composition, not because of the density but the fact that it's simply not a show based around men wearing tights, looking like girls, and performing atrocious pieces of filth, such as Poison or Twisted Sister. I bet if they played a poorly written ass ballad like "Every Rose had it's Thorn" you would have needed a supply closet full of tissues to wipe away your plethora of tears you glam freak love you hansie
Nagrarok 09.30.10	Maybe it also has something to do with the fact that Yes are all old geezers now.
Inveigh 09.30.10	"your mind is simply to immature to be able to absorb a prog show" "Your brain cannot handle the complexity of a YES composition, not because of the density but the fact that it's simply not a show based around men wearing tights" I think Proggy might have been DogFish... and yeah Beck's not as technical as, say, Steve Vai but he was more technical than Clapton was my point.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	Thats true lol. And no Nag, its the fact that they didn't dress up in tights and parade around like a bunch of closet queers to the beat of an obviously homosexual drum line. Hans won't enjoy a show unless it's structured like that.
Jesuslaves 09.30.10	This site badly needs an ignore feature.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	see how hans doesn't comment now because i mutilated him
BigHans 09.30.10	Hans won't enjoy a show unless it's structured like that. ^ Actually I saw Clutch last night. Youl would have gotten beat up at that show Proggy.
BigHans 09.30.10	see how hans doesn't comment now because i mutilated him ^ lol, yeah, Im totally embarrased DogFish. As far as Yes goes, they had a few decent songs like Owner of a Lonely Heart, Roundabout, and Ive Seen All Good People, but aside from that, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Inveigh 09.30.10	God I bet seeing Clutch headline was fucking EPIC
Jesuslaves 09.30.10	Proggy has been mutilated.
BigHans 09.30.10	Clutch was fucking lethal in its awesomeness.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	lollllllllllllllllllll you go to a hard rock show and think thats fucking intense? LOL. Try a local underground hardcore show with kids dancing around like morons punching each other in the face with the absence of security that cares. You went to a Clutch show, thats not intense, dont talk down to me like you think you're all badass and shit. You're not.
BigHans 09.30.10	lol lol lol lol lol lol l ol lol lol lol lol
Jesuslaves 09.30.10	Cuz things are so out of control at a Dream Theater gig.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	im not DogFish lol. My only alts were proggy and two more that I dont remember. And Im also not saying that Clutch is bad, to clear up any confusion, but that the fact that you don't know me at all means you don't have the right to tell me that I wouldn't be able to stand a concert like that, trust me. Learn your facts brah. You're not the badass metalhead that you think you are.
Inveigh 09.30.10	brah
Nagrarok 09.30.10	I'm thinking I could delete this whole out-of-hand discussion. But that would be too many posts.
BigHans 09.30.10	that I wouldn't be able to stand a concert like that ^ The music would be too manly for you. Have fun fags, time to go to my other job. Im sure Progmaster will drop some more titilating gold in my absence
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	actually when I saw Dream Theater live there was nothing intense about it all, crowd was boring. Now, going to a battle of the bands of all of the local metalcore bands is another story, especially cause kids are more violent than adults. Not that I like 'moshing' or being retarded though. When I go to a concert, I go for the performance and the music, not to engage random fights with the drunken retards that surround me.
Jesuslaves 09.30.10	Proggy's got four alts on an internet website where everyone thinks he's a fucking retard and wants him gone. Don't talk to him about being a badass.
Inveigh 09.30.10	where are you from prog
AngelofDeath 09.30.10	Yes is awesome. js
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	alright brah's its been fun chatting about nothing for two hours. Since today is my only truly free day of the week, Im going to spend the rest of it writing my next review. Inveigh, I hope you actually understand that I'm not a complete retard now, I know my fucking shit.
Jesuslaves 09.30.10	tee hee
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	@AngelofDeath they sure are dude! @Veigh- I'm from New York.
Inveigh 09.30.10	haha i never thought you were a complete retard, I just wanted you to explain yourself better. which you did. this has been fun.
NeutralThunder12 09.30.10	it sure has lol. If you want me to further prove that I know my shit, please tune in to my upcoming review of Cave In's "Until Your Heart Stops". Peace bros