theacademy
09.01.10 | VS SPIELBERG??? |
Maniac!
09.01.10 | Nolan, by far |
theacademy
09.01.10 | lol handicapped!^ |
Maniac!
09.01.10 | ;) |
Counterfeit
09.01.10 | Which one made The Dark Knight? |
theacademy
09.01.10 | XD... Nolan made tdk |
Intothepit
09.01.10 | Nolan |
Counterfeit
09.01.10 | Then Nolan I guess. |
Maniac!
09.01.10 | I guess I should make my favorite Director's list |
Inveigh
09.01.10 | James Cameron's obsession with quick camera cuts bugs me sometimes, and I actually prefer the first Terminator to T2.
yeah yeah handicapped. but handicapped with a bachelor's in film production. |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | Cameron started great, went awesome, then utterly shit. Titanic is one of the worst movies ever made and Avatar, while very colourful and noisy, is empty nonsense. Aliens and Terminator fucking rule, though. |
Sheeple9000
09.01.10 | Aronofsky |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | Lynch |
Inveigh
09.01.10 | Linklater? |
theacademy
09.01.10 | sorry deleted scorcese spam
Martin is a god, but he's not a good comparison.
As far as irrelevant comparisons go, Fincher + Godard blow everyone out of the water... |
Intothepit
09.01.10 | Scorcese.
Don't delete my Scorcese spam. I'll go get Henry Hill to take your ass out! |
Zip
09.01.10 | Inception pwns the eff out of avatar |
theacademy
09.01.10 | lolol Henry Hill is the man |
Zip
09.01.10 | but to be fair, Cameron still deserves props for making three billion dollars on one movie |
Intothepit
09.01.10 | Yes, Inception does. But Goodfellas, Departed, and Gangs of NY own all. |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | The Dark Knight > T2 (and the first one was better)
Aliens - Batman Begins
The Abyss > Insomnia
Inception >>>>>>
Avatar. |
Inveigh
09.01.10 | I'm with Phleb on pretty much everything in this thread |
theacademy
09.01.10 | maybe i'm overestimating the hype for T2 based on the order i saw all these movies?:
1. T2 (8 years old)
2. Terminator
3. True Lies
4. Aliens
5. Titanic (12 years old)
6. Memento (13 years old)
7. Insomnia
8. Batman Begins (18 years old)
9. The Abyss (21 years old)
10. The Prestige
11. The Dark Knight
12. Avatar
13. Inception
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theacademy
09.01.10 | lol pit
goodfellas >>>>>>>> almost all movies
almost all movies >>>>>>> the departed |
theacademy
09.01.10 | spielberg would actually be the third comparable. |
Intothepit
09.01.10 | Go to hell, Acad. I used to like you until you started deleting my comments. Faggot.... |
theacademy
09.01.10 | only deleting the redundant ones, chief... keep em coming ill let the good ones through i promise |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | academy, please explain the appeal of Avatar to me, in a way other than "DIDUSEETHOSEGRAPHICS?!" |
Intothepit
09.01.10 | Hmmmm..... good ones.
Vagina? |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | T2 is a really fun film, but it's a little flimsy compared to the first, which was pure grit. The end of Titanic was spectacular in the cinema but the script...I mean, seriously. "just call me a tumbleweed blowin' in the wind!" True Lies is a blast. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | thats a good one. |
Sheeple9000
09.01.10 | Uwe Boll |
therayder
09.01.10 | Nolan, all day 'erry day |
Intothepit
09.01.10 | Avatar- Decent
Cameron- Good
Inception- Amazing
Nolan- Better than Cameron
Goodfellas- Best ever
Scorcese- GOD! |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | The Godfather II >>>>>>>>>>>>
anything with Ray Liotta in it. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | @sea
1. i think young people be-little the importance of visual storytelling (which is ironic considering the state of affairs a decade ago)
2. passable action + romantic cliches interwoven with a science fiction epic? A pseudo-anthropological narrative as a backdrop is a pretty interesting way to frame the story. The thing is, people don't always need 5 layers of originality. If a formula works for women over the age of 40, then why is mixing that formula with another formula that works for males under the age of 18 such a shit idea? Apparently, it worked... |
Intothepit
09.01.10 | Anybody>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jewel |
theacademy
09.01.10 | urgh why did i hyphenate belittle. Also, "visual storytelling" here means "effects heavy"
priotitization evident in the storytelling. i know "visual storytelling" can take on many meanings. |
JWT155
09.01.10 | I really can't compare the 2, grew up watching the Terminator movies (T2 is my fave obviously) and Aliens. Nolan is a fantastic director and Memento as well as both Batman movies (I prefer Batman Begins tbh) and Inception all rule. I still need to see The Prestige and Insomnia. |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | Those arrows have gone straight into my heart |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | theacademy: fair enough, thanks for the answer, but I think you have me all wrong... if I do say so myself, I'm not one of those guys that overanalyzes films, dying for complicated and original. My favorite films are sometimes the most simple, even cliche ones. I really really really didn't enjoy Avatar though, like to the point where I couldn't finish it at first, had to go back later. It was excruciating, I thought. |
Intothepit
09.01.10 | Did you really want to hurt me?
Did you really want to make me cry? |
theacademy
09.01.10 | and why does nobody ever talk about kate winslet's luscious titties. SO GRATUITOUS AND HE FUCKING GOT A PG-13 RATING. He's the man. |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | Unobtainium |
theacademy
09.01.10 | "I really really really didn't enjoy Avatar though, like to the point where I couldn't finish it at first, had to go back later."
wait, did you not see it in theaters? |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | no, I'm assuming that's where I went wrong? |
tiesthatbind
09.01.10 | Avatar was fantastic. Especially in 3D. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | yeah. i mean, that's like listening to (INSERT INDIE JIZZFEST HERE) at 128kbps on your cell phone speakers. |
JWT155
09.01.10 | I enjoyed Avatar, a little too much of a "Dances with Wolves" vibe for my conservative liking but I enjoyed it. Definitely the most over rated movie to come out in a long time though. |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | It was equally awful in the cinema, although the sequel is gonna be awesome, when the humans remember how to carpet bomb. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | honestly, nobody i know who watched it online or in 2D liked it. |
MUNGOLOID
09.01.10 | hmm, very interesting comparisions. the directors are pretty tied to me when it comes to their films. |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | ok... I doubt I would disagree with JWT up there even after seeing it large-scale, but I bet it was better |
JWT155
09.01.10 | "honestly, nobody i know who watched it online or in 2D liked it."
Makes sense though, I think people who shell out money for something tend to force themselves to enjoy something/defend it more then those who free ride. I know I'm more critical of things I don't pay money for. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | "but I bet it was better"
but this is the problem. If a movie is made (primarily) as a showcase of a major cinematic advance, and you watch it in a way that excludes that development completely, how can you even begin to appreciate it... |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | let's be honest... the absolute BEST showcasing of the film visually couldn't have made up for the unbelievably shitty dialogue and partially shitty storyline |
theacademy
09.01.10 | "couldn't have made up for the unbelievably shitty dialogue and partially shitty storyline"
some of the best films of all time have no dialog at all, sea. |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | such as... ? |
JWT155
09.01.10 | Charlie Chaplin - Modern Times. Just watched it for my movies class and for a mostly silent 80 min film it was fantastic. |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | No dialogue is better than shit dialogue, especially when it's mostly comprised of exposition. "This is why we're here! Unobtainium!" |
theacademy
09.01.10 | The Covered Wagon
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
The battleship Potemkin
la jette has a few lines i think but most of it is silent + that pwns everything
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JWT155
09.01.10 | Porn. |
PanasonicYouth
09.01.10 | avatar was terrible nolan ftw |
GulliKyro
09.01.10 | I was quite happy with Avatar being the worst Cameron movie I've seen until I watched Piranha II last week. Trying to troll its still avatar would be disingenuous. Lads hubris is massive but I can't hate somebody who made something as genre perfect as Aliens. Nolan is solid but far to early to make a definitive judgement on.
Always have a soft spot for Carpenter or Samuel Fuller myself. |
shindip
09.01.10 | Inception>>>>Avatar
but...
Cameron>>>Nolan |
theacademy
09.01.10 | i think shindip nailed it. |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | Phlebas said it better than I could. It's a horribly written movie. And remember, please don't peg me as some pretentious movie-goer. |
JWT155
09.01.10 | Fuck, I want to watch Aliens now. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | please consider phlebas, he's a nice guy |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | "Nolan is solid but far to early to make a definitive judgement on."
He's been making films for over a decade
|
WeepingBanana
09.01.10 | "Inception>>>>Avatar
but...
Nolan>>>>Cameron"
Fixed |
theacademy
09.01.10 | "He's been making films for over a decade"
i think it's just tough to gauge both 1) the influence and 2) the staying power of his two finest works (TDK and Inception). They're so recent. Time will tell how they will age. Just look how Titanic aged (not gracefully)... |
theacademy
09.01.10 | ahahah weeping banana just made a fool of himself i'm not even gonna delete it until he realizes it.... |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | Honestly, comparing the silent classics to Avatar seems odd to me. Those old films were utterly based around physicality; telling stories through movement, lighting and imagery, whereas Avatar just pointed things out of the screen while all the actors told each other the plot every few minutes. It was the least nuanced film I've ever sat through, and I'm pretty sure I've seen every JCVD film so that's saying something. |
Counterfeit
09.01.10 | lol.
Also, Avatar ruled if you didn't go into it expecting some revolutionary plot. Watch it like you would a Michael Bay film |
theacademy
09.01.10 | "Honestly, comparing the silent classics to Avatar seems odd to me."
whoa, whoa, whoa. nobody is comparing them. that's retarded. I'm just saying that there are other means of evaluating a film's contributions. |
Inveigh
09.01.10 | "Watch it like you would a Michael Bay film"
so, don't? |
porch
09.01.10 | Simon Wincer, mostly for his work on Operation Dumbo Drop |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | guys. seriously. you can go into a movie expecting more than disgusting dialogue and a trite storyline without being some sort of hipster that only loves plot twists, "originality," etc.
It just means you have SOME sort of standard for movies.
Mine isn't very high tbh, I can enjoy shitty movies, but Avatar took things to a new level. |
WeepingBanana
09.01.10 | "ahahah weeping banana just made a fool of himself i'm not even gonna delete it until he realizes it...."
yeah i didn't really care enough to edit it. i figured it would just be glossed over and no one will care about it anyways |
theacademy
09.01.10 | inveigh + porch = back to back lol's |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | I'm not a fan of Avatar, obviously, but it kicks the fucking balls off anything by Michael Bay. |
GulliKyro
09.01.10 | But the actual movie JCVD is awesome Phlebas : (
the academy hits the nail on the head in terms of taking definitive judgement on a filmmakers works longevity. Nothing wrong with being effusive about a new film you've just watched, thats part of the joy of cinema. But its always best to wait off on a final judgement against the previous efforts at least till the dust settles. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | "anything by Michael Bay."
uh. the dude made "The Rock" AND "Con Air." THose rule face. |
SeaAnemone
09.01.10 | lol Con Air |
JWT155
09.01.10 | Con Air blows. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | no lol. that movie is plegendary. if it was a guy, i'd totally pledge with him + listen to mad brocore records w/ him. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | and real brocore, none of that august burns read nursery school brocore. |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | Con Air is hilarious "I'm gonna save the fuckin day!" and The Rock is ok. Transformers 2 though....uuuuurgghhh |
theacademy
09.01.10 | transformers 2 made me cut off my balls and become a woman |
porch
09.01.10 | Con Air is a classic cheesy action movie
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ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | "But the actual movie JCVD is awesome Phlebas : ("
I really like that film, and I love his action stuff too for the pure cheese. Bloodsport ftw.
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theacademy
09.01.10 | tbh it's not dumbo drop but it holds its own |
porch
09.01.10 | well yeah academy i didn't think we were comparing it to the greats but its still good |
Inveigh
09.01.10 | Dumbo Drop is Liotta's finest work as an actor |
Counterfeit
09.01.10 | How can you guys not love Bad Boys 1 and 2? |
theacademy
09.01.10 | didn't really like bb2 at all but LOVED THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfrenBOBMc0 |
Counterfeit
09.01.10 | Ohhh yes. That song is too awesome. |
ConsiderPhlebas
09.01.10 | Bad Boys 2 is a masterpiece compared to Trannies 2 |
Counterfeit
09.01.10 | Yeah, that movie was fucking awful. First one was at least enjoyable. |
Strider
09.01.10 | I love Cameron's work on Terminator and Titanic, did like Avatar, but it wasn't very original... Nolan did the Dark Knight and Inception, so Nolan by far |
theacademy
09.01.10 | lmfao metallica. your judgment speaks for itself lololol |
Strider
09.01.10 | "and thus, they will say something stupid like: OMG TRUE LIES IS SUCH A GENERIC ACTION FLICK OMG OMG U R RETARDED GO WATCH SOMETHING FRESH LIEK V FOR VENDETTA FAGGOT"
Yeah, V for Vendetta is better than True Lies
"1) they are dumb (mentally handicapped) and didn't like avatar becuase of its banal recycled pocohontas plot;"
Sorry but Avatar is basically Pocahontas... |
theacademy
09.01.10 | wow youre like my favorite user. youre like a self-imploding troll. a black hole troll.
marry me. |
Strider
09.01.10 | Sorry , I'm no troll... I just don't give in to elitist crap |
taroo
09.01.10 | Nolan! |
Counterfeit
09.01.10 | BLACK HOLE TROLL!
BLACK HOLE TROLL!
Wont you cooommmeeeeeeeeee |
theacademy
09.01.10 | wash away the gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
Deviant.
09.01.10 | Tbh honest Acad, I'd say that The Prestige is the more underrated of Nolan's works. I'm pretty sure Insomnia is the more critically adored movie. In regards to Avatar, it was pretty obvious to guess that the movie was never going to be anything more than just a great visual spectacle, and not the savior of cinema that some people had it pegged as. And it succeeded at being a visual treat, and just being a fun but dumb movie. At the end of the day Cameron really is nothing more than a glorified action director, he's just always been smart enough to pile on enough exposition and set up so we care. He just dumbed it down considerably for Avatar |
Curse.
09.01.10 | Avatar was awful but The Abyss fucking ruled |
Curse.
09.01.10 | Michelle Rodriguez has mastered the angry Latino chick roles. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | "Tbh honest Acad, I'd say that The Prestige is the more underrated of Nolan's works. I'm pretty sure Insomnia is the more critically adored movie."
IDK about globally, but Prestige had a much stronger word of mouth in the U.S., and they both got pretty great reviews... I also think the Prestige was wonderful and Insomnia was a crapper, but apparently some people disagree...
I also loved the Abyss.
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Curse.
09.01.10 | I hated that cloning bullshit in The Prestige. Completely fucking ruined that movie for me. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | oh man. no. w/o that the movie would have made no sense...
prestige is probably one of the best adapted films i've ever seen (and i almost always read a book before a movie if i can) |
Curse.
09.01.10 | I thought it sent a great premise into a descent of shittyness that continued the rest of the movie. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | i really don't understand how anybody could have that reaction. |
Curse.
09.01.10 | well I did. SO THERE. But we agree on The Abyss so I can forgive all. |
theacademy
09.01.10 | okie |
Deviant.
09.01.10 | I actually really enjoyed Insomnia, but its a strange movie in his collection, simply because its the only movie he's directed where he hasn't had a hand in the writing process (or having his brother involved). Prestige would've definitely had more word of mouth hype, I mean he had just come off successfully reviving the batman movies. I mean sure, when Insomnia was out it was known as "the movie from the guy who directed Memento" but from memory, Memento wasn't that well known upon release and in the immediate years following. Its picked up a huge cult following only in the last 5 years or so, even though it got massive acclaim upon release. Well, in my part of the world anyway |
Slipping Away
09.01.10 | aliens is one of my favorites but the rest of cameron's work is shit, nolan in a landslide |
