Intothepit: The "Must-Haves" of Post-Hardcore

Intothepit 08.31.10	Notice anything, Sputnik Sheep?
Counterfeit 08.31.10	Fuck yeah 9. inb4 Thrice comments. and wtf needs La Dispute.
eternium 08.31.10	I noticed that it lacks Thrice. Excellent nonetheless.
Intothepit 08.31.10	No, it doesn't.
BigHans 08.31.10	The? Im guessing this is top Post Hardcore albums ranked?
BigHans 08.31.10	OH, I see its changed. Why do you have Repeater over `13 songs? And where the fuck is WATCH OUT!
BigHans 08.31.10	And what is 9 doing on here?
Counterfeit 08.31.10	pfft. whatevs
Intothepit 08.31.10	You know there's an edit button underneath all of your comments?
crazyblinddude 08.31.10	I'm sure sputnik will say there's something missing (they always do), but this is a great list. Cool to see someone who likes 8.
eternium 08.31.10	All of the really good Fugazi albums are essential. 13 Songs, Repeater, End Hits, Red Medicine, and The Argument mainly.
Intothepit 08.31.10	I'm expecting heaps upon heaps of Emery and La Dispute fanboys crying tonight after seeing this list.
Intothepit 08.31.10	I agree Eternium, I was just trying to keep it to one album per band.
Intothepit 08.31.10	The reason nine is on here is because it straddles the line, and it leans towards post-hardcore 90% of the time.
BigHans 08.31.10	I was asking about 13 songs because I thought you once said it was your 3rd favorite album of all time. And seriously, WATCH OUT!
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	^ Agreed @eternium, although I do love Repeater the most to be honest. I respect that you have 1, but I like Thrice, ATDI, and Refused more. Took what Fugazi did and expanded it 10,000 fold.
Counterfeit 08.31.10	You know there's an edit button underneath all your comments? Also, I refuse to cry.
BigHans 08.31.10	The reason nine is on here is because it straddles the line, and it leans towards post-hardcore 90% of the time. ^ Well, it doesn't happen every day, but I literally did not know that.
eternium 08.31.10	La Dispute is fucking great, but not a "must have." I have exactly half of these. Still need to get Poison the Well.
Intothepit 08.31.10	That wasn't meant for you, Feit. That was meant for hans. 13 Songs is my favorite from Fugazi, but it's not an album. It's a compilation.
Counterfeit 08.31.10	I know, but you had 3 comments in a row.
Inveigh 08.31.10	I've always thought of Helmet as metal, but I can see similarities to early Fugazi type post-hardcore. Same deal with 2, I've always just thought of it as punk. but excellent list nonetheless. only band it really 'needs' is The Nation of Ulysses.
PuddlesPuddles 08.31.10	Props for 5 intothepit I hope one day you can get out
BigHans 08.31.10	I need to listen to 5 again. Head to Wall rules hard.
FruityCatOfDoom 08.31.10	if i see worship and tribute in another post hardcore list. imma fucking shoot a school bus full of little niggers
PuddlesPuddles 08.31.10	shut up fruity cat of doom, i personally love milk duds
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	^ Whoa racism and it is a great album that changed the genre. It has the right to be in every Post-Hardcore list. Just sayin'
Intothepit 08.31.10	Worship and Tribute didn't change anything. It's a great album and deserves a spot, but what did it change? Lol
NeutralThunder12 08.31.10	thank god there's no thrice on here
sniper 08.31.10	Except In/Casino/Out is betterrrrr
Intothepit 08.31.10	Please tell me you are joking. You are joking, right?
Inveigh 08.31.10	all the AtD-I albums rule (including Vaya) but Relationship is clearly the best
eternium 08.31.10	Relationship is best.
sniper 08.31.10	No dude In/Casino/Out is definitely better.
Intothepit 08.31.10	Sniper, I like you, but what are you taking right now? What pills did you steal from mommy and daddy's medicine cabinet?
eternium 08.31.10	Meth.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	Whoa, I have never met anyone who preferred any other ATDI album over RoC. Worship and Tribute helped bring Post-Hardcore into the mainstream which led to it's ruin. Didn't say they changed it in a good way, although still a great album.
Inveigh 08.31.10	sniper's always liked I/C/O best -- he backs up his opinion pretty well in his review, I will say that.
Intothepit 08.31.10	I thought it might be some Red Medicine.
eternium 08.31.10	har har
Intothepit 08.31.10	"Whoa, I have never met anyone who preferred any other ATDI album over RoC. Worship and Tribute helped bring Post-Hardcore into the mainstream which led to it's ruin. Didn't say they changed it in a good way, although still a great album." No, it didn't. You're forgetting about Fugazi, ATDI, Refused, and Helmet, and they all came out before Worship and Tribute.
sniper 08.31.10	Dude it's just the better album to me. RoC was just a little bit too clean and shiny for for me, I/C/O represents this perfect sweet spot for the band where they were writing the same quality of songs they were by RoC, but there was still an element of roughness that was missing on Relationship. I mean, every track is fucking flawless apart from For Now... We Toast. It's just perrrfect.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	"Whoa, I have never met anyone who preferred any other ATDI album over RoC. Worship and Tribute helped bring Post-Hardcore into the mainstream which led to it's ruin. Didn't say they changed it in a good way, although still a great album." Yeah but it boosted it even more and into a poppier level.
Intothepit 08.31.10	You're right, every track is flawless on that except For Now... We Toast, while EVERY SINGLE TRACK on RoC is ace.
Intothepit 08.31.10	Legend, you gonna keep changing your reasoning until you find one that works for everyone?
eternium 08.31.10	He's going to be a politician.
sniper 08.31.10	I have RoC at a 4.5, so obv I really love it, but I tend to space out during tracks like Sleepwalk Capsules and Mannequin Republic. I/C/O just keeps fucking throwing down the whole time.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	Wait what? I haven't changed my reasoning at all. If I wanted to do that I would have said you are completely right. You are right about those bands helping, but the album gave the genre an extra boost into the mainstream, as it was already increasing at a dramatic rate.
Intothepit 08.31.10	Yeah, you did. First you said it changed the genre. After my rebuttal, you then said it brought it into the mainstream. After my next rebuttal, you came back and said it "boosted" it even more and into a "poppier" level. Which one is it, dude?
eternium 08.31.10	Not very mainstream, since I don't know anybody who knows Glassjaw.
Intothepit 08.31.10	Eternium is correct. I'm in the same boat. I do, however, know plenty of people who know Fugazi, ATDI, Helmet, Husker Du, and so on.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	I meant changed the genre as in brought it more into mainstream by being poppier. Sorry I should have worded my first argument better. See I am slightly socially awkward which leads to my arguments and descriptions not exactly the way I type it although I am trying to improve.
sniper 08.31.10	It was def thrice who made it mainstream for real, js.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	Other bands stole their sound and got popular on it though. Which is why it boosted the genre even more into mainstream.
Intothepit 08.31.10	I'm going to find you and throw up on you for that comment, Sniper.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	Thrice, Thursday, and Glassjaw are the reason.
Apollo 08.31.10	good list here
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	so is Texas. lol
Intothepit 08.31.10	"Other bands stole their sound and got popular on it though. Which is why it boosted the genre even more into mainstream." Name one.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	Silverstein and Alexisonfire clearly ripped off all 3 of the above mentioned.
eternium 08.31.10	I love how Sputnik considers bands mainstream that nobody that I know in person listens to or even knows. I only know a handful of Thrice fans. I've only met two people who really listen to lesser known stuff and one girl who listens to some underground, but still mostly shit like Parkway Drive.
Intothepit 08.31.10	I'm sorry, Legend, but I have to strip you of your post-hardcore credentials. You can apply again next month.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	Lol I just suck at arguing. I can't explain opinions plus I never had any musically inclined friends to argue with. I still won't believe that Worship and Tribute didn't do any change what so ever though.
Masochist 08.31.10	Half the people I work with are Thrice and/or Brand New fans...or if not "fans," listen to and like their music.
Intothepit 08.31.10	Is it that you suck at arguing(which I don't believe you do) or is it that you are really making a stretch that doesn't make sense?
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	Oh well thank you, because I believe I do suck. Yeah I am just making excuses. lol
WoggleBunny 08.31.10	Anyone else notice Billy Talent stealing At the Drive-In riffs? Just sayin.
porch 08.31.10	"I like Thrice, ATDI, and Refused more. Took what Fugazi did and expanded it 10,000 fold" lol shut the fuck up. sweet list.
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	^ I didn't say I didn't like Fugazi. I have so much respect for the guys, but I find it easier for me to get into the bands said above. All my opinion of course.
porch 08.31.10	sure, I was just referring to the 'expanded it 10,000 fold' part, which is both ridiculous and wrong on so many levels
LegendofPittman 08.31.10	That's just me over-exaggerating.
Ire 08.31.10	blood brothers?
eternium 08.31.10	Fugazi is easily the most important and influential post-hardcore band, so of course they took at least part of what Fugazi did and mixed it with whatever else they wanted to do.
porch 08.31.10	Really though, the post hardcore genre is so vague that you could put so many different types of bands that people wouldnt associate with post hardcore on this list and people couldn't really question their inclusion
elephantREVOLUTION 08.31.10	JACOBI WICHITA, A LOT LIKE BIRDS, LA FUCKING DISPUTE
Intothepit 09.01.10	La Dispute is definitely NOT a must have, dumbass
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	even though I wouldn't consider a handful of this post-hardcore, most of it is ace. buttttt... Emery's best LP could be post-hardcore's finest ever! The album of 2009.
Intothepit 09.01.10	I'd rather choke myself with Bob Sapp's dick then call that the best of post-hardcore.
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	you know I'm kidding, right? I hope?
Lappo 09.01.10	where da gospel at
Intothepit 09.01.10	I know you're kidding, Sea.
Intothepit 09.01.10	In the church, now shut the fuck up
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	and Gospel's great but screamo. pretty clear-cut there
Lappo 09.01.10	imo, post-hardcore includes screamo
Intothepit 09.01.10	Which ones don't you agree with being on here, Sea? I know some of them straddle the line, but they lean far enough to be considered "post-hardcore."
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	and I'm sorry, this list is good but it comes nowhere near Porches: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=435821
Ire 09.01.10	"Emery's best LP could be post-hardcore's finest ever! The album of 2009." lol'd at this :)
Intothepit 09.01.10	If I wanted to make it 50 albums long, it would have included probably 48 of those, but I didn't feel like going that far with it.
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	and sorry bro, but a few of these are much much more emo... like quintessential emo... SDRE, Promise Ring, Cursive, TITR are in this category. Refused is hardcore, I thought. Embrace and Rites of Spring are questionable, but passable as post-hardcore.
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	and yeah, totally understandable... looking back this list is fantastic... I was just a little disappointed you put in stuff like Glassjaw over stuff like Armchairpolitician and Unwound
ShyGuy 09.01.10	Husker du, soooooo good
Intothepit 09.01.10	Refused is nowhere near hardcore, if we're going by traditional standards. And if Embrace and Rites of Spring are passable, as you say, so is Promise Ring, Cursive(how is that emo, dude?), Sunny Day Real Estate(I get your argument on that one), and Texas is the Reason.
Intothepit 09.01.10	Unwound and Armchairpolitician are amazing, but are they must haves? I don't believe so.
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	Embrace and Rites of Spring are totally totally different waves of emo and post-hardcore than the others. and I'll give you Cursive, on second thought you're probably right, that's more post-hardcore than anything. And I'm nowhere near a Refused expert, admittedly, that's just what I hear, you may be right.
Intothepit 09.01.10	I'm right, don't worry about confirming that.
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	but yeah, SDRE Promise Ring and TITR are all quintessential emo I thought... a shoot-off of post-hardcore, yes; but emo really turned into it's own branch, a totally different sound, by then
Intothepit 09.01.10	Then by that standard, I need to remove Embrace and Rites of Spring, maybe even Quicksand. I'm not gonna do that, I'm js.
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	no, Embrace and RoS were much earlier than those other ones... that wave of emo kinda formed alongside SDRE in the mid-90's
Deviant. 09.01.10	I know I say this a lot, but: Boysetsfire - After The Eulogy Where is it?
Intothepit 09.01.10	Not here
eternium 09.01.10	How the hell is Refused "nowhere near hardcore"?
Intothepit 09.01.10	By traditional standards, they aren't at all. Refused aren't hardcore. Sorry guys.
Deviant. 09.01.10	"Not here" Didn't answer my question
Intothepit 09.01.10	Yeah, I did. You asked where is it, and I said not here.
Slum 09.01.10	Domestica is so good
Intothepit 09.01.10	Yes it is Slum. By god, that's the most intelligent thing you've ever said on here! Congratulations!
Comatorium. 09.01.10	list is good. needs la dispute. yes it does.
Deviant. 09.01.10	But that didn't tell me where it is, i'm legitimately looking for it
Intothepit 09.01.10	Try Itunes, or maybe your nearest record store. Or you could illegally download it. It's up to you! Comatorium- Once again, no it doesn't. It doesn't TOUCH any of these, regardless of what the Sputnik La Dispute fanboy population tells me.
Slum 09.01.10	You're too sweet.
SeaAnemone 09.01.10	Pit, we agree that La Dispute is glorified over much higher quality bands... but Sputnik could and does do a lot lot lot lot worse worshiping
Deviant. 09.01.10	Tbh, I don't really see the appeal of La Dispute Pit, what'd you think of After The Eulogy? (if you've heard it of course)
Intothepit 09.01.10	Oh, they do.
botb 09.01.10	yeah this is lacking in a lot of great bands tbh
botb 09.01.10	i mean it has a lot of really great ones too but uh... no thrice, thursday, etc. and i love rites of spring, but i wouldn't really call that post-hardcore, nor sdre.
jesusjuice1179 09.01.10	can we not do these genre disputable lists anymore, can we just say its all good music?
Intothepit 09.01.10	ANd once again, bringonthebreakdown proves why his opinion isn't valued. At all.
botb 09.01.10	pit i really couldn't give two shits and a fuck who values my opinon on the internet, especially if you come into question. i was making discussion.
Intothepit 09.01.10	And now you're crying
botb 09.01.10	yeah totes.
Intothepit 09.01.10	Weren't you the one that was telling me the new Acacia Strain was hardcore?
Transient 09.01.10	decent list and i wasn't going to argue about la dispute not being on here, but polar bear club? really? you come before you isn't even post-hardcore and thrice's the illusion of safety is essential. so yeah, you're bad.
patroneyes 09.01.10	acrobatic tenement > roc
Intothepit 09.01.10	And you're an idiot. If anything, illusion of safety is punk. Polar Bear Club's The Redder, the Better is much more solid than any la dispute record. You Come Before You was a post-hardcore release from a metalcore band. Get over it. That's in no way hardcore, nor is it metal, nor is it metalcore.
Counterfeit 09.01.10	Pit, do this with hardcore too.
Intothepit 09.01.10	I've done this with hardcore already.
Counterfeit 09.01.10	which of your many alts?
botb 09.01.10	i didn't tell you the acacia strain was hardcore. i told you it wasn't deathcore because there are no death metal influences in it for it to be death anything. which is apparently a retarded argument? but i'm not worried about that. i'm just telling you you missed some albums and that sdre isn't post-hardcore and apparently that makes me stupid.
Intothepit 09.01.10	Okay, I'll do it.
Intothepit 09.01.10	"i didn't tell you the acacia strain was hardcore. i told you it wasn't deathcore because there are no death metal influences in it for it to be death anything. which is apparently a retarded argument? but i'm not worried about that. i'm just telling you you missed some albums and that sdre isn't post-hardcore and apparently that makes me stupid." No, what makes you stupid is that your stupid. Plus that god-awful name.
botb 09.01.10	yeah dude my name isn't troll bait at all and you are the first person to assume that it's srsbsns and think you're more intelligent that me. lern2internet
Intothepit 09.01.10	Troll-bait? I don't care if it's troll-bait or not, it's still god-awful. And only morons would say "lern2internet."
botb 09.01.10	im not even going to argue with a 20 or 30-something year old washed up guy that wishes he was still in his hardcore scene so bad that he's willing to post things on sputnik to feel elite and relevant. every time i talk to you i feel dumber tbh. ta-ta.
Intothepit 09.01.10	I don't post things on Sputnik to feel elite and relevant. I am elite and relevant. I just post things to watch people like you throw a hissy fit.
jesusjuice1179 09.01.10	i love you pit
Intothepit 09.01.10	I love you, too, juice, no matter how retarded you may be.
Comatorium. 09.01.10	Saying that doesnt make you relevant. Just a dick. But its okay, this is a good list. Still needs La Dispute.
Intothepit 09.01.10	Once again, I don't need to say anything to be relevant. I am relevant. You guys need to stop being so jealous of me. No, la dispute doesn't belong here. Stop talking about it.
Comatorium. 09.01.10	List needs La Dispute, js.
Counterfeit 09.01.10	I THINK I SAW YOU IN MY SLEEP, INTOTHEPIT!
Intothepit 09.01.10	List needs less gayness. Get out. Awwww, much better.
Intothepit 09.01.10	You dreaming of me, Feit? What did I look like? Did I look like an angel being sent from above to give you unlimited hours of pleasure? Or did you see me ruling with an iron fist?
Comatorium. 09.01.10	I saw you listening to La Dispute.
Intothepit 09.01.10	I probably was. I enjoy La Dispute. Just not enough to put them on a "must-have" list. Get over it.
Counterfeit 09.01.10	I see you handing down to me your elitist tastes, it's a touching moment really. There's Doves flying, Maniacs mom is there. BigHans is grilling us a delicious meal.
Comatorium. 09.01.10	And dryden was in the corner hitting things with his dick, no?
Intothepit 09.01.10	People don't realize how my taste in music is impeccable.
Counterfeit 09.01.10	he may have been. i didnt hear any screams. does that blog have any albums on it yet? cuz i have it bookmarked on my other computer
Intothepit 09.01.10	You talking about the hardcore one? No, not yet. I'm waiting until Friday, and then I'm going to go nuts with it over the weekend while I'm sitting in front of the TV watching college football.
Counterfeit 09.01.10	yeah. and it better be flawless. every time i get a goddamn album from a blog link two or three of the tracks are always corrupt. pisses me off so much.
Intothepit 09.01.10	I'll work on it this weekend. I just wanted to get the introduction hammered out. I'm not making any guarantees, though. I got my test results coming in tomorrow, so shit might change drastically.
Intothepit 09.01.10	Sorry, elephant. I deleted your comment due to racism. The only one who's allowed to be racist on my lists is me.
Deviant. 09.01.10	Pit, what'd you think of After The Eulogy? (if you've heard it of course)
Counterfeit 09.01.10	finally getting those? nice. dont worry man, everythings going to be fine.
Intothepit 09.01.10	It's good Dev. I really like it, but it didn't make my top twenty, dude. Feit- Thanks man. I'm sure it will too
patroneyes 09.01.10	"I am elite and relevant" haha made me laugh
Mordecai. 09.01.10	lol'age
Aids 09.01.10	Domestica is Post-Hardcore? I didn't get that feel when I listened to it but I've only spun it once so...
sniper 09.01.10	Way up there when I made the Thrice comment, I just meant they made post-hardcore accessible to a wide (MTV and fuse-watching) audience, I never said that was a good thing.
WoggleBunny 09.01.10	"And only morons would say "lern2internet."" Concur. Its "lrn2interwebs".
Maniac! 09.01.10	I never thought of helmet as post hardcore before