Inveigh
08.16.10 | holy shit all artwork 1st try YES
bands/artists I had to leave off:
Converge
Poison the Well
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam
Botch
Johnny Cash
John Coltraine
The Gaslight Anthem
Brand New
Thrice
Michael Jackson
Ramones
Megadeth
Slayer
Pantera
Minor Threat
all hip hop
and probably tons more that I'm forgetting |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | oh shit, also had to leave off
Neurosis
Isis
The Replacements
Mr. Bungle |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | The one's you left off are better than a lot you mentioned |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Yeah this would be almost impossible. Damn it, now I might have to do one haha. Highway 61 ftw. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | I love Elvis, I would definitely have him on my list. |
jingledeath
08.16.10 | well done |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | yeah this was much harder than I anticipated it being. I also had to leave off
Tool
Rosetta
Clutch
Killswitch Engage
The Dillinger Escape Plan
The Black Crowes
R.E.M.
The Offspring |
Emim
08.16.10 | This is the sound of America winning. |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | Very well done. The only three bands the UK exported that were worthwhile were the Beatles, Blur, and Radiohead. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | America has MORE. I still say the top 25 British albums would slay the top 25 US. |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | No way. |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | I think that the lesson here is that America rules -- don't forget that I left out an ENTIRE GENRE of music for this -- a genre where America probably has the top 25 albums to itself. |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | lol Josh I think we're just getting old -- this list has less than 5 albums from this decade |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | I was speakin to the hip of the hop, yes |
Emim
08.16.10 | I'm pretty sure Miles Davis + Johnny Cash > Any British band |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | They don't have any "great" hardcore, neither. |
SlightlyEpic
08.16.10 | yeah uk sucks |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | Emim
08.16.10 I'm pretty sure Miles Davis + Johnny Cash > Any British band
truth |
BigHans
08.16.10 | As much as I love Johnny he doesnt touch the Stones, Beatles, or Zeppelin in terms of greatness. IMO of course. |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | yeah I also ignored a vast majority of that genre, it only really got love in the comments. and even still I haven't mentioned Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, Rites of Spring, Verse, Defeater etc. |
atrink
08.16.10 | USA USA USA |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | Johnny is 100 times better than all three of those, Hans. The Stones have watered-down their "legacy" as they've continued to be mediocre for the last 30 years, and the Beatles and Zeppelin are a bit overrated in my opinion. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Well, Im a big classic rock guy so my opinion is going to be vastly different. Yeah the Stones are a mockery now, but its very tough to top the 4 album run of Beggars Banquet through Exile on Main Street. |
Emim
08.16.10 | I agree with Euphoric, but I've never been a fan of Zep or the Beatles, so |
Apollo
08.16.10 | fucking right, this list rules |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Come on guys get the Led out. |
Apollo
08.16.10 | too many country lists to keep commenting in |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | I mentioned Cash in the comments because I understand his importance, and the fact that a lot of people love him. But I'm not a huge fan of his music, and I'm even less of a fan of him being a giant bigot. |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | I can't be bothered to make a list but Sweden rules the hardest imo |
Apollo
08.16.10 | Sweden is pretty fucking sweet. Cmon do it Terrifyer |
BigHans
08.16.10 | dont worry I already have a Scandanavian list in the works
|
Maniac!
08.16.10 | LITTLE RICHARD |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | nah I only really listen to the death, black metal and hardcore scenes there, i don't know enough about the electronic stuff or anything else |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | LI
TT
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RI
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AR
D! |
Satellite
08.16.10 | AMERICA, FUCK YEAH! |
qwe3
08.16.10 | but
radiohead
queen
the beatles
all three of those are better than anything on that list.
sorry dude you lose |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | qwe3 is dumb. Radiohead sucks |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Agree with Hans that the top 25 would beat the US. I mean c'mon - The Beatles beat The Beach Boys, Led Zep beat AiC, Frank Turner beats someone. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Qwe see my England list that started all of this nonsense |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Things we don't touch you on though are grunge, jazz, blues, hardcore, metalcore, hip hop. Actually, for variety the US is fucking epic really. |
qwe3
08.16.10 | jazz and blues are pretty obv phlebas haha
maniac stfu i have superior taste to you |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Yeah that comment was a bit like saying 'the sun is hot' |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | U.S. > everyone, musically |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | yeah America wins out on variety. even though the current New Wave Of American Heavy Metal means some points have to be deducted ;) |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | Daniel, were you mocking my metalcore joke? :P |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | yeah but America owns post-metal too, and like I said, even though I think America's clearly winning (especially the last 20 years) we aren't even considering hip hop with this |
Apollo
08.16.10 | America = founding country of crunkcore |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | You'd win Hip Hop obv, but electronica and dnb not so much. |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | no i haven't been following most of the comments. i'm trying to hack mario kart wii and do sputnik at the same time, its getting difficult |
qwe3
08.16.10 | "U.S. > everyone, musically"
sup beethoven what you doing? oh right just creating mindblowing symphonies and influencing the direction of classical music? while deaf?
sup hector berlioz what you doing? oh really just pioneering a new form of the symphony?
sup beatles what you doing? oh really changing the face of pop music. rad.
sup queen what you doing? oh really redefining arena rock oh thats cool.
sup iron maiden, black sabbath and judas priest, hows it hanging? oh really, creating a musical genre you say? mighty interesting.
sup refused i see you seem to be redefining what we think of as punk. that's pretty impressive chap.
sup radiohead whats going on? oh right being the best band ever to exist? sweet.
|
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Shit, you'd win pop punk though aswell |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | "You'd win Hip Hop obv, but electronica and dnb not so much."
I can't argue with that one bit |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Qwe just got rhetorical on your face Maniac |
Skybreaker
08.16.10 | Yep this guy wins |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | oh hey British rock bands, what's that? your really glad America invented rock 'n roll? jazz too? oh and our blues artists would like Led Zeppelin to give them their songs back.
so, yes, Britain invented metal and changed the face of both pop and arena rock. but America gave the world:
jazz
blues
rock 'n roll
hip hop
hardcore
your welcome. |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | "yeah but America owns post-metal too"
not completely. Sweden has Cult Of Lulu |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | and Inveigh im pretty sure Discharge (an ENGLISH band) had one of the biggest parts in shaping hardcore ;) |
qwe3
08.16.10 | you're* |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | ^fair enough |
qwe3
08.16.10 | hey guys lets not forget what britain started:
America |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | ah shit qwe, I guess that negates my comment.
and Fade I was gonna give England punk and keep hardcore since Black Flag pre-dates Discharge, but it's all good. I think jazz, blues, hip hop and rock still win :) |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | "hey guys lets not forget what britain started:
America"
o shi here comes the storm |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | lol well by that logic then I guess Africa owns jazz, blues, rock and hip hop |
731
08.16.10 | lol refused didn't redefine what we think of as punk. they just made a more accessible version of what
bands like the nation of ulysses were doing.as for the wider argument here, no comment |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Hardcore is debatable, but yeah America is unique in that it has multiple genres which will always be dominated by it's founding country. I think you're being hard on Zep though dude. Borrowing riffs etc from each other was rife even then. |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | see Josh D came and shat over everything |
qwe3
08.16.10 | "And then the government was so shitty, a bunch of peasants kicked their ass and forced their hand to create a society that took a long time for other countries to catch up to.
Oops."
lolllllllllllllll thanks josh d for making my night |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | oh yeah that was mainly a joke, I like giving Zep fans shit -- in my opinion their best stuff (Houses of the Holy for example) is completely devoid of re-written Delta Blues songs |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Zeppelin
Stones
Beatles
Who
Floyd
Sabbath
Maiden
Nobody can touch that. |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | yeah England owned the 60s and 70s for sure, but the 40s, 50s, 80s, 90s and 2000s... |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Yeah I just love those bands so much. For a guy like me, England easily wins. |
sniper
08.16.10 | America has def owned the last 30 years. |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Can't deny that, although thiings are a little less barren now than say ten years back. |
sniper
08.16.10 | In other words, English bands were/are really great and influential, but with the exception of Radiohead they aren't really all that relevant anymore.
Plus America has hardcore and jazzzzz |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | America had the best genre EVER!
ROCKABILLY! |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | ahhh I see what you meant now Josh |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Someone do an Asian list. |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | Ima do an old school American list |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | I was thinking of doing a Japanese list and just going:
BORIS
BORIS
BORIS
INTESTINE BAALISM
BORIS
CORRUPTED
BORIS |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | America has country aswell, which fucking rules |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese |
sniper
08.16.10 | don't forget ENVY |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Dude, country is fucking badass |
BigHans
08.16.10 | MONO |
BigHans
08.16.10 | I love me some country and western music. |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | We got both kinds: country AND western |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | I'm starting to doubt God in his decision to create humans after seeing the majority of the lists today. |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | haha |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | We got both kinds: country AND western
Obscure movie lines FTW |
BigHans
08.16.10 | at least these lists bring discussion, unlike the 25 "OMG Im digging these" lists we see every day. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Blues Brothers is hardly obscure Brandon. |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | hey my 'Men That Make You Melt' list brought some good discussion :P |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Delete these and do a 'Thrice Ranked' one instead |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | "I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese"
Unless you're talking about 80's pop music, this shouldn't be considered as "discussion." |
Apollo
08.16.10 | lol
country is soooo bad |
Apollo
08.16.10 | Euphoric, you're a cool dude and all...but cmon, LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP DUDE!
:D
|
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Dude, country has more character than a lot of genres |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Dont tempt me to do an 80's pop list. Wait, I already did one awhile back. |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | Blues Brothers is hardly obscure Brandon.
maybe not, but it was fun to say :(
lol
country is soooo bad
Classic country is the shit, if you can't agree you can go fuck yourself |
DiceMan
08.16.10 | Yeah I was gonna say... Africa owns the shit out of jazz... obvi you've never read a book on the history of jazz. Silly willy. They used tribal drums to really set up a beat/rhythm which eventually led to the usage of the string bass as a replacement. Because if you've ever played jazz music you should probably know that the bass is the most important part. |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | "Euphoric, you're a cool dude and all...but cmon, LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP DUDE!"
The list was cool the first time, and I was cool with it, too. Until everyone took the idea and raped the shit out of it. |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Classic country is the shit
Maniac saying things that are correct. What's the world comin to? |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | yes Euphoric is the sputnik king delete this list immediately |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | I'm just voicing my opinion, that's all. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | It was my fault Euphoric, I made the first awesome list than convinced Inveigh and Apollo to do awesome lists than I did another awesome list, which has unfortunatley bred about 3 troll lists. |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | I'm not trying to be a twat, I'm just saying enough is enough. If I'm being a twat, though, so be it. |
Apollo
08.16.10 | We had a good run
Some select 'classic country' artists do indeed rule, for without them we would not have many a genre of music. But the vast majority of country can suck my dick and so can you. |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.16.10 | Classic country is where it's at. Johnny Cash, Hank WIlliams, Merle Haggard, Jimmy Dean, Willie Nelson |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Some of the later shit's good too. Whiskeytown are pretty sweet. |
Apollo
08.16.10 | In all honestly though (off topic) fuck nationalism. |
klap
08.16.10 | ryan adams baby |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Yeah I'm kinda on that page. Never been that patriotic. |
Apollo
08.16.10 | right on dude
nationalism = fucked up tool used by politicians for the last century or so to start wars and recruit soldiers |
LegendofPittman
08.16.10 | Classic country is where it's at. Johnny Cash, Hank WIlliams, Merle Haggard, Jimmy Dean, Willie Nelson [2]
Sorry for my unnecessary list btw, not as funny as I thought it would be. |
Terrifyer
08.16.10 | patriotism should die in a hole |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | I think lists like this are interesting though, because nationality obviously guides culture for the most part. That's why I love country so much, because it's so evocative of the place it's from, which helps when you live in the armpit of England. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Ryan Adams and his side project Whiskeytown are great, but they are technically "Alternative" Country. A great genre in itself. |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Need more of that stuff. Any recs man? |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | Wilco? |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is ace |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Sure. obviously get Ryan Adam's Gold and Whiskeytown Strangers Almanac if you dont already have them.
A few random other great Alt Country artists
Uncle Tupelo
Wilco
Son Volt
Drive By Truckers - I think youd really like them, they are a mix between country, alt country, and hard rock. Get Southern Rock Opera, Decoration Day, and either The Dirty South or Brighter Than Creations Dark.
Lucero
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Howl. They are not an alt country band but they did make an alt country album and it is awesome.
But seriously, check out those Drive By Truckers albums. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | A good place to start with Wilco is to get their live 2 disc album "Kicking Television." |
LegendofPittman
08.16.10 | Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | Nice one, man. Only got heartbreaker by Adams, but I've got Strangers Almanac (love it). Got some Uncle Tupelo and Wilco but none of the rest. Getting Drive By Truckers now and listening to SRO on spotify. Sounds like my bag. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Yeah SRO is epic. Its a two disc concept album dedicated to Skynyrd. Its actually fairly intricate. |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.16.10 | That song off BtCD is well nice. Lovin' these guys so far. |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Yeah Decoration Day is a little more staright forward. They have some really long albums. Probably because they have 3 lead singers and 3 guitar players, which means they are constantly changing format/sound/theme. |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | Dwight Yoakam |
BigHans
08.16.10 | Hank Jr. |
Inveigh
08.16.10 | gotta be honest, I didn't expect this list to approach 150 comments |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | gotta be honest, it doesn't deserve it.
jk |
zuzek
08.16.10 | List needs more classic composers of centuries past.. oh wait. |
Maniac!
08.16.10 | Kris Kristofferson |
sumyunguy
08.17.10 | ok so basically you're wrong in every possible sense inveigh. you're a cool guy and everything but england doesn't just take the 1st spot, it also takes the 2nd and 3rd spots as well. not even an ounce of competition, sorry. |
Ire
08.17.10 | time for germany |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | "ok so basically you're wrong in every possible sense inveigh. you're a cool guy and everything but england doesn't just take the 1st spot, it also takes the 2nd and 3rd spots as well. not even an ounce of competition, sorry. "
says the guy with almost 30 out of his 60 classic ratings from America (not exact, just skimmed)
:) |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | Please don't support England Sumyungay, it ruins it for all of us |
731
08.17.10 | sumyunguy more like dumbyunguy amirite
|
Inveigh
08.17.10 | /thread |
Apollo
08.17.10 | aaaaaaaaammmmmmmuuuuuurrrrrrrriiiiiiicccaaa |
Terrifyer
08.17.10 | yes hes just a tool |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | I actually like sumyunguy, but he probably should've thought about that comment a little more. and then not posted it. |
8bit
08.17.10 | USA>Canada>England |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | on the real, i only made this list in response to Hans' yesterday, I don't truly have a concrete opinion on which country has the best music. but saying it's not close HAD to be a joke, me thinks |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | It's impossible to pick a winner, but Canada above England? Hmmmmmmmm. |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | yeah that selection was probably questionable |
sumyunguy
08.17.10 | well, classical music obviously doesn't count, british people don't make jazz and hip hop is 99% america. but as far as rock music england takes the first 10 spots, literally and they also pretty much rule electronic music. their metal output is pretty godly as well. but their complete and utter monopoly over rock is what seals the deal for me. i never said america doesn't make good music lol. |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | well you said American didn't provide even an ounce of competition and yet almost half of your classic ratings are American. if we're just looking at 60s and 70s rock, then yes, England wins but I thought you were talking about music in general |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | For contemporary music England doesn't touch you guys |
Terrifyer
08.17.10 | we don't have a particularly good metal scene either idk what you're going on about |
731
08.17.10 | yeah the current UK music scene is abysmal
|
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | Our metal scene consists of Maiden |
BigHans
08.17.10 | Well Maiden is = to about 100 bands. |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | This whole thread is the same argument on loop |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | True, Hans |
BigHans
08.17.10 | So, its fun |
731
08.17.10 | @euphoric: go away then |
sumyunguy
08.17.10 | well you and hans both listed mainly rock and metal albums and by those terms england >>>>>>america. most of my american 5's are hip hop, where no other country can even compete. same with jazz, which is 99.9% american. if you look at the genres that have competition from at least several countries england is by far the most consistent. |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | Wow, 731's a really nice guy! |
SlightlyEpic
08.17.10 | ya the current american music scene destroys britains one right now |
731
08.17.10 | thanks euphoric but you still haven't gone away |
BigHans
08.17.10 | Euphoric, 731 is a teddy bear deep down, he just likes to rattle cages on the surface. |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | It'd be cool if we had a genre which was properly English, like the US has country and hip hop etc. I s'pose britpop maybe, although that died out. |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | And I probably won't now, 731. I guess I'll have to share my opinion on this, which has already been said over 10 times on this thread. I'll have to figure out how to copy and paste, though. |
BigHans
08.17.10 | The Verve ftw |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | "ya the current american music scene destroys britains one right now"
That sums up one side of the argument. |
731
08.17.10 | There's been some decent discussion in these threads. Lists usually suck; this is a lot better than 'BRAND NEW RANKED' imo |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | "No, it doesn't!"
There! Now I've summed up both sides. Whew! That was tough! |
731
08.17.10 | euphoric, the list where you talked about unpacking boxes was really exciting, make more of those. it's sure to spark a lot of debate |
BigHans
08.17.10 | The best Verve song is Lucky Man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qujfdzLJPyU |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | Jeez, 731, what's with all of the hostility? I'm just messing around |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | The lists are good, man. Obvious answers maybe, but it allows us the opportunity to engage in some friendly xenophobia and point out that Canada sucks balls. |
731
08.17.10 | yeah and so am i, you can put down your shield of over-defensiveness now |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | I don't think that's a word, dude. |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | so a couple lists on Sputnik actually generate music discussion that doesn't devolve into a tirade of insults and people still complain. |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | yeah Phleb might have the comment of the thread with that one |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | The only thing I was saying, Inveigh, despite that the list is good the first half of this thread generated decent discussion, it's getting a bit redundant. That's all I was trying to say. No one's had anything new or original to say about anything on this list since about the 75th comment. |
sumyunguy
08.17.10 | chumbawumba is british. that's gotta swing the pendulum pretty heavily in England's favor |
731
08.17.10 | Oceansize and Radiohead are my fave brit bands at the moment |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | lol Euphoric but the last 25 or so comments have just been you saying the same thing you said about these lists yesterday |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | also, i'm pretty pumped for new Radiohead |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | First of all, I haven't made 25 comments on this list lmao. The first two lists from yesterday(This one and the UK one I believe) were great! Good discussion, great bands. Then everyone started a list for other countries, and the idea got a bit tired. I can also see that every legitimate music list devolves into a bunch of "jokes" and tired insults usually made by the same people that did it on other lists. |
731
08.17.10 | is this guy a troll or just retarded |
Terrifyer
08.17.10 | csb |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | Come on dude, was that necessary? |
Terrifyer
08.17.10 | stop taking everything so seriously |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | I get knocked down, but I get up again, aint never gonna keep me down |
Inveigh
08.17.10 | pissin the night awayyyyyyy |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | Can't beat the 'wumba |
EuphoricDysphoria81
08.17.10 | Chumbawumba used to actually be somewhat of an anarchistic "punk" band until that single came out. Kinda weird. |
ConsiderPhlebas
08.17.10 | Yeah they met in a squat |
731
08.17.10 | They're still around, making really bad music |