Inveigh: America Rules Harder

Inveigh 08.16.10	holy shit all artwork 1st try YES bands/artists I had to leave off: Converge Poison the Well Soundgarden Pearl Jam Botch Johnny Cash John Coltraine The Gaslight Anthem Brand New Thrice Michael Jackson Ramones Megadeth Slayer Pantera Minor Threat all hip hop and probably tons more that I'm forgetting
Inveigh 08.16.10	oh shit, also had to leave off Neurosis Isis The Replacements Mr. Bungle
Maniac! 08.16.10	The one's you left off are better than a lot you mentioned
BigHans 08.16.10	Yeah this would be almost impossible. Damn it, now I might have to do one haha. Highway 61 ftw.
BigHans 08.16.10	I love Elvis, I would definitely have him on my list.
jingledeath 08.16.10	well done
Inveigh 08.16.10	yeah this was much harder than I anticipated it being. I also had to leave off Tool Rosetta Clutch Killswitch Engage The Dillinger Escape Plan The Black Crowes R.E.M. The Offspring
Emim 08.16.10	This is the sound of America winning.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	Very well done. The only three bands the UK exported that were worthwhile were the Beatles, Blur, and Radiohead.
BigHans 08.16.10	America has MORE. I still say the top 25 British albums would slay the top 25 US.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	No way.
Inveigh 08.16.10	I think that the lesson here is that America rules -- don't forget that I left out an ENTIRE GENRE of music for this -- a genre where America probably has the top 25 albums to itself.
Inveigh 08.16.10	lol Josh I think we're just getting old -- this list has less than 5 albums from this decade
Inveigh 08.16.10	I was speakin to the hip of the hop, yes
Emim 08.16.10	I'm pretty sure Miles Davis + Johnny Cash > Any British band
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	They don't have any "great" hardcore, neither.
SlightlyEpic 08.16.10	yeah uk sucks
Maniac! 08.16.10	Emim 08.16.10 I'm pretty sure Miles Davis + Johnny Cash > Any British band truth
BigHans 08.16.10	As much as I love Johnny he doesnt touch the Stones, Beatles, or Zeppelin in terms of greatness. IMO of course.
Inveigh 08.16.10	yeah I also ignored a vast majority of that genre, it only really got love in the comments. and even still I haven't mentioned Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, Rites of Spring, Verse, Defeater etc.
atrink 08.16.10	USA USA USA
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	Johnny is 100 times better than all three of those, Hans. The Stones have watered-down their "legacy" as they've continued to be mediocre for the last 30 years, and the Beatles and Zeppelin are a bit overrated in my opinion.
BigHans 08.16.10	Well, Im a big classic rock guy so my opinion is going to be vastly different. Yeah the Stones are a mockery now, but its very tough to top the 4 album run of Beggars Banquet through Exile on Main Street.
Emim 08.16.10	I agree with Euphoric, but I've never been a fan of Zep or the Beatles, so
Apollo 08.16.10	fucking right, this list rules
BigHans 08.16.10	Come on guys get the Led out.
Apollo 08.16.10	too many country lists to keep commenting in
Inveigh 08.16.10	I mentioned Cash in the comments because I understand his importance, and the fact that a lot of people love him. But I'm not a huge fan of his music, and I'm even less of a fan of him being a giant bigot.
Terrifyer 08.16.10	I can't be bothered to make a list but Sweden rules the hardest imo
Apollo 08.16.10	Sweden is pretty fucking sweet. Cmon do it Terrifyer
BigHans 08.16.10	dont worry I already have a Scandanavian list in the works
Maniac! 08.16.10	LITTLE RICHARD
Terrifyer 08.16.10	nah I only really listen to the death, black metal and hardcore scenes there, i don't know enough about the electronic stuff or anything else
Maniac! 08.16.10	LI TT LE RI CH AR D!
Satellite 08.16.10	AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
qwe3 08.16.10	but radiohead queen the beatles all three of those are better than anything on that list. sorry dude you lose
Maniac! 08.16.10	qwe3 is dumb. Radiohead sucks
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Agree with Hans that the top 25 would beat the US. I mean c'mon - The Beatles beat The Beach Boys, Led Zep beat AiC, Frank Turner beats someone.
BigHans 08.16.10	Qwe see my England list that started all of this nonsense
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Things we don't touch you on though are grunge, jazz, blues, hardcore, metalcore, hip hop. Actually, for variety the US is fucking epic really.
qwe3 08.16.10	jazz and blues are pretty obv phlebas haha maniac stfu i have superior taste to you
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Yeah that comment was a bit like saying 'the sun is hot'
Maniac! 08.16.10	U.S. > everyone, musically
Terrifyer 08.16.10	yeah America wins out on variety. even though the current New Wave Of American Heavy Metal means some points have to be deducted ;)
Maniac! 08.16.10	Daniel, were you mocking my metalcore joke? :P
Inveigh 08.16.10	yeah but America owns post-metal too, and like I said, even though I think America's clearly winning (especially the last 20 years) we aren't even considering hip hop with this
Apollo 08.16.10	America = founding country of crunkcore
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	You'd win Hip Hop obv, but electronica and dnb not so much.
Terrifyer 08.16.10	no i haven't been following most of the comments. i'm trying to hack mario kart wii and do sputnik at the same time, its getting difficult
qwe3 08.16.10	"U.S. > everyone, musically" sup beethoven what you doing? oh right just creating mindblowing symphonies and influencing the direction of classical music? while deaf? sup hector berlioz what you doing? oh really just pioneering a new form of the symphony? sup beatles what you doing? oh really changing the face of pop music. rad. sup queen what you doing? oh really redefining arena rock oh thats cool. sup iron maiden, black sabbath and judas priest, hows it hanging? oh really, creating a musical genre you say? mighty interesting. sup refused i see you seem to be redefining what we think of as punk. that's pretty impressive chap. sup radiohead whats going on? oh right being the best band ever to exist? sweet.
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Shit, you'd win pop punk though aswell
Inveigh 08.16.10	"You'd win Hip Hop obv, but electronica and dnb not so much." I can't argue with that one bit
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Qwe just got rhetorical on your face Maniac
Skybreaker 08.16.10	Yep this guy wins
Inveigh 08.16.10	oh hey British rock bands, what's that? your really glad America invented rock 'n roll? jazz too? oh and our blues artists would like Led Zeppelin to give them their songs back. so, yes, Britain invented metal and changed the face of both pop and arena rock. but America gave the world: jazz blues rock 'n roll hip hop hardcore your welcome.
Terrifyer 08.16.10	"yeah but America owns post-metal too" not completely. Sweden has Cult Of Lulu
Terrifyer 08.16.10	and Inveigh im pretty sure Discharge (an ENGLISH band) had one of the biggest parts in shaping hardcore ;)
qwe3 08.16.10	you're*
Inveigh 08.16.10	^fair enough
qwe3 08.16.10	hey guys lets not forget what britain started: America
Inveigh 08.16.10	ah shit qwe, I guess that negates my comment. and Fade I was gonna give England punk and keep hardcore since Black Flag pre-dates Discharge, but it's all good. I think jazz, blues, hip hop and rock still win :)
Terrifyer 08.16.10	"hey guys lets not forget what britain started: America" o shi here comes the storm
Inveigh 08.16.10	lol well by that logic then I guess Africa owns jazz, blues, rock and hip hop
731 08.16.10	lol refused didn't redefine what we think of as punk. they just made a more accessible version of what bands like the nation of ulysses were doing.as for the wider argument here, no comment
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Hardcore is debatable, but yeah America is unique in that it has multiple genres which will always be dominated by it's founding country. I think you're being hard on Zep though dude. Borrowing riffs etc from each other was rife even then.
Terrifyer 08.16.10	see Josh D came and shat over everything
qwe3 08.16.10	"And then the government was so shitty, a bunch of peasants kicked their ass and forced their hand to create a society that took a long time for other countries to catch up to. Oops." lolllllllllllllll thanks josh d for making my night
Inveigh 08.16.10	oh yeah that was mainly a joke, I like giving Zep fans shit -- in my opinion their best stuff (Houses of the Holy for example) is completely devoid of re-written Delta Blues songs
BigHans 08.16.10	Zeppelin Stones Beatles Who Floyd Sabbath Maiden Nobody can touch that.
Inveigh 08.16.10	yeah England owned the 60s and 70s for sure, but the 40s, 50s, 80s, 90s and 2000s...
BigHans 08.16.10	Yeah I just love those bands so much. For a guy like me, England easily wins.
sniper 08.16.10	America has def owned the last 30 years.
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Can't deny that, although thiings are a little less barren now than say ten years back.
sniper 08.16.10	In other words, English bands were/are really great and influential, but with the exception of Radiohead they aren't really all that relevant anymore. Plus America has hardcore and jazzzzz
Maniac! 08.16.10	America had the best genre EVER! ROCKABILLY!
Inveigh 08.16.10	ahhh I see what you meant now Josh
BigHans 08.16.10	Someone do an Asian list.
Maniac! 08.16.10	Ima do an old school American list
Terrifyer 08.16.10	I was thinking of doing a Japanese list and just going: BORIS BORIS BORIS INTESTINE BAALISM BORIS CORRUPTED BORIS
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	America has country aswell, which fucking rules
Maniac! 08.16.10	I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese
sniper 08.16.10	don't forget ENVY
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Dude, country is fucking badass
BigHans 08.16.10	MONO
BigHans 08.16.10	I love me some country and western music.
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	We got both kinds: country AND western
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	I'm starting to doubt God in his decision to create humans after seeing the majority of the lists today.
Terrifyer 08.16.10	haha
Maniac! 08.16.10	We got both kinds: country AND western Obscure movie lines FTW
BigHans 08.16.10	at least these lists bring discussion, unlike the 25 "OMG Im digging these" lists we see every day.
BigHans 08.16.10	Blues Brothers is hardly obscure Brandon.
Terrifyer 08.16.10	hey my 'Men That Make You Melt' list brought some good discussion :P
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Delete these and do a 'Thrice Ranked' one instead
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	"I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese" Unless you're talking about 80's pop music, this shouldn't be considered as "discussion."
Apollo 08.16.10	lol country is soooo bad
Apollo 08.16.10	Euphoric, you're a cool dude and all...but cmon, LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP DUDE! :D
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Dude, country has more character than a lot of genres
BigHans 08.16.10	Dont tempt me to do an 80's pop list. Wait, I already did one awhile back.
Maniac! 08.16.10	Blues Brothers is hardly obscure Brandon. maybe not, but it was fun to say :( lol country is soooo bad Classic country is the shit, if you can't agree you can go fuck yourself
DiceMan 08.16.10	Yeah I was gonna say... Africa owns the shit out of jazz... obvi you've never read a book on the history of jazz. Silly willy. They used tribal drums to really set up a beat/rhythm which eventually led to the usage of the string bass as a replacement. Because if you've ever played jazz music you should probably know that the bass is the most important part.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	"Euphoric, you're a cool dude and all...but cmon, LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP DUDE!" The list was cool the first time, and I was cool with it, too. Until everyone took the idea and raped the shit out of it.
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Classic country is the shit Maniac saying things that are correct. What's the world comin to?
Terrifyer 08.16.10	yes Euphoric is the sputnik king delete this list immediately
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	I'm just voicing my opinion, that's all.
BigHans 08.16.10	It was my fault Euphoric, I made the first awesome list than convinced Inveigh and Apollo to do awesome lists than I did another awesome list, which has unfortunatley bred about 3 troll lists.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	I'm not trying to be a twat, I'm just saying enough is enough. If I'm being a twat, though, so be it.
Apollo 08.16.10	We had a good run Some select 'classic country' artists do indeed rule, for without them we would not have many a genre of music. But the vast majority of country can suck my dick and so can you.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.16.10	Classic country is where it's at. Johnny Cash, Hank WIlliams, Merle Haggard, Jimmy Dean, Willie Nelson
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Some of the later shit's good too. Whiskeytown are pretty sweet.
Apollo 08.16.10	In all honestly though (off topic) fuck nationalism.
klap 08.16.10	ryan adams baby
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Yeah I'm kinda on that page. Never been that patriotic.
Apollo 08.16.10	right on dude nationalism = fucked up tool used by politicians for the last century or so to start wars and recruit soldiers
LegendofPittman 08.16.10	Classic country is where it's at. Johnny Cash, Hank WIlliams, Merle Haggard, Jimmy Dean, Willie Nelson [2] Sorry for my unnecessary list btw, not as funny as I thought it would be.
Terrifyer 08.16.10	patriotism should die in a hole
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	I think lists like this are interesting though, because nationality obviously guides culture for the most part. That's why I love country so much, because it's so evocative of the place it's from, which helps when you live in the armpit of England.
BigHans 08.16.10	Ryan Adams and his side project Whiskeytown are great, but they are technically "Alternative" Country. A great genre in itself.
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Need more of that stuff. Any recs man?
Inveigh 08.16.10	Wilco?
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is ace
BigHans 08.16.10	Sure. obviously get Ryan Adam's Gold and Whiskeytown Strangers Almanac if you dont already have them. A few random other great Alt Country artists Uncle Tupelo Wilco Son Volt Drive By Truckers - I think youd really like them, they are a mix between country, alt country, and hard rock. Get Southern Rock Opera, Decoration Day, and either The Dirty South or Brighter Than Creations Dark. Lucero Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Howl. They are not an alt country band but they did make an alt country album and it is awesome. But seriously, check out those Drive By Truckers albums.
BigHans 08.16.10	A good place to start with Wilco is to get their live 2 disc album "Kicking Television."
LegendofPittman 08.16.10	Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	Nice one, man. Only got heartbreaker by Adams, but I've got Strangers Almanac (love it). Got some Uncle Tupelo and Wilco but none of the rest. Getting Drive By Truckers now and listening to SRO on spotify. Sounds like my bag.
BigHans 08.16.10	Yeah SRO is epic. Its a two disc concept album dedicated to Skynyrd. Its actually fairly intricate.
ConsiderPhlebas 08.16.10	That song off BtCD is well nice. Lovin' these guys so far.
BigHans 08.16.10	Yeah Decoration Day is a little more staright forward. They have some really long albums. Probably because they have 3 lead singers and 3 guitar players, which means they are constantly changing format/sound/theme.
Maniac! 08.16.10	Dwight Yoakam
BigHans 08.16.10	Hank Jr.
Inveigh 08.16.10	gotta be honest, I didn't expect this list to approach 150 comments
Maniac! 08.16.10	gotta be honest, it doesn't deserve it. jk
zuzek 08.16.10	List needs more classic composers of centuries past.. oh wait.
Maniac! 08.16.10	Kris Kristofferson
sumyunguy 08.17.10	ok so basically you're wrong in every possible sense inveigh. you're a cool guy and everything but england doesn't just take the 1st spot, it also takes the 2nd and 3rd spots as well. not even an ounce of competition, sorry.
Ire 08.17.10	time for germany
Inveigh 08.17.10	"ok so basically you're wrong in every possible sense inveigh. you're a cool guy and everything but england doesn't just take the 1st spot, it also takes the 2nd and 3rd spots as well. not even an ounce of competition, sorry. " says the guy with almost 30 out of his 60 classic ratings from America (not exact, just skimmed) :)
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	Please don't support England Sumyungay, it ruins it for all of us
731 08.17.10	sumyunguy more like dumbyunguy amirite
Inveigh 08.17.10	/thread
Apollo 08.17.10	aaaaaaaaammmmmmmuuuuuurrrrrrrriiiiiiicccaaa
Terrifyer 08.17.10	yes hes just a tool
Inveigh 08.17.10	I actually like sumyunguy, but he probably should've thought about that comment a little more. and then not posted it.
8bit 08.17.10	USA>Canada>England
Inveigh 08.17.10	on the real, i only made this list in response to Hans' yesterday, I don't truly have a concrete opinion on which country has the best music. but saying it's not close HAD to be a joke, me thinks
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	It's impossible to pick a winner, but Canada above England? Hmmmmmmmm.
Inveigh 08.17.10	yeah that selection was probably questionable
sumyunguy 08.17.10	well, classical music obviously doesn't count, british people don't make jazz and hip hop is 99% america. but as far as rock music england takes the first 10 spots, literally and they also pretty much rule electronic music. their metal output is pretty godly as well. but their complete and utter monopoly over rock is what seals the deal for me. i never said america doesn't make good music lol.
Inveigh 08.17.10	well you said American didn't provide even an ounce of competition and yet almost half of your classic ratings are American. if we're just looking at 60s and 70s rock, then yes, England wins but I thought you were talking about music in general
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	For contemporary music England doesn't touch you guys
Terrifyer 08.17.10	we don't have a particularly good metal scene either idk what you're going on about
731 08.17.10	yeah the current UK music scene is abysmal
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	Our metal scene consists of Maiden
BigHans 08.17.10	Well Maiden is = to about 100 bands.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	This whole thread is the same argument on loop
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	True, Hans
BigHans 08.17.10	So, its fun
731 08.17.10	@euphoric: go away then
sumyunguy 08.17.10	well you and hans both listed mainly rock and metal albums and by those terms england >>>>>>america. most of my american 5's are hip hop, where no other country can even compete. same with jazz, which is 99.9% american. if you look at the genres that have competition from at least several countries england is by far the most consistent.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	Wow, 731's a really nice guy!
SlightlyEpic 08.17.10	ya the current american music scene destroys britains one right now
731 08.17.10	thanks euphoric but you still haven't gone away
BigHans 08.17.10	Euphoric, 731 is a teddy bear deep down, he just likes to rattle cages on the surface.
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	It'd be cool if we had a genre which was properly English, like the US has country and hip hop etc. I s'pose britpop maybe, although that died out.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	And I probably won't now, 731. I guess I'll have to share my opinion on this, which has already been said over 10 times on this thread. I'll have to figure out how to copy and paste, though.
BigHans 08.17.10	The Verve ftw
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	"ya the current american music scene destroys britains one right now" That sums up one side of the argument.
731 08.17.10	There's been some decent discussion in these threads. Lists usually suck; this is a lot better than 'BRAND NEW RANKED' imo
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	"No, it doesn't!" There! Now I've summed up both sides. Whew! That was tough!
731 08.17.10	euphoric, the list where you talked about unpacking boxes was really exciting, make more of those. it's sure to spark a lot of debate
BigHans 08.17.10	The best Verve song is Lucky Man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qujfdzLJPyU
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	Jeez, 731, what's with all of the hostility? I'm just messing around
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	The lists are good, man. Obvious answers maybe, but it allows us the opportunity to engage in some friendly xenophobia and point out that Canada sucks balls.
731 08.17.10	yeah and so am i, you can put down your shield of over-defensiveness now
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	I don't think that's a word, dude.
Inveigh 08.17.10	so a couple lists on Sputnik actually generate music discussion that doesn't devolve into a tirade of insults and people still complain.
Inveigh 08.17.10	yeah Phleb might have the comment of the thread with that one
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	The only thing I was saying, Inveigh, despite that the list is good the first half of this thread generated decent discussion, it's getting a bit redundant. That's all I was trying to say. No one's had anything new or original to say about anything on this list since about the 75th comment.
sumyunguy 08.17.10	chumbawumba is british. that's gotta swing the pendulum pretty heavily in England's favor
731 08.17.10	Oceansize and Radiohead are my fave brit bands at the moment
Inveigh 08.17.10	lol Euphoric but the last 25 or so comments have just been you saying the same thing you said about these lists yesterday
Inveigh 08.17.10	also, i'm pretty pumped for new Radiohead
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	First of all, I haven't made 25 comments on this list lmao. The first two lists from yesterday(This one and the UK one I believe) were great! Good discussion, great bands. Then everyone started a list for other countries, and the idea got a bit tired. I can also see that every legitimate music list devolves into a bunch of "jokes" and tired insults usually made by the same people that did it on other lists.
731 08.17.10	is this guy a troll or just retarded
Terrifyer 08.17.10	csb
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	Come on dude, was that necessary?
Terrifyer 08.17.10	stop taking everything so seriously
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	I get knocked down, but I get up again, aint never gonna keep me down
Inveigh 08.17.10	pissin the night awayyyyyyy
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	Can't beat the 'wumba
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.17.10	Chumbawumba used to actually be somewhat of an anarchistic "punk" band until that single came out. Kinda weird.
ConsiderPhlebas 08.17.10	Yeah they met in a squat
731 08.17.10	They're still around, making really bad music