cirq
08.14.10 | interesting.. |
731
08.14.10 | forums. |
theacademy
08.14.10 | build it
-new yorkers, collectively |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | people who say no really need to kill themselves |
Masochist
08.14.10 | I get why people don't want to let them build it, but at the same time...it's two blocks away. So how close can the Islamic community come to Ground Zero if not here? Three blocks still too close? Five blocks? 20 blocks? Or do they have to stay off of Manhattan altogether?
I say let them build it. A group of seven radical Muslims shouldn't dampen our entire view of the religion, especially with people like the KKK and Westboro Baptist Church doing the same for Christianity.
I bet people like Mos Def and Talib Kweli and Muhammed Ali would attend if it were built; wonder if anyone would tell them anything? |
fr33convict
08.14.10 | It's a shame that the media paints this as a group of muslim extremists trying to build the mosque on ground zero. It's two or three blocks away, there is no reason why a religious group shouldn't be allowed to build a place of worship. I say let them build it. |
East Hastings
08.14.10 | i'm kinda on the fence with it |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | ^ ya man they're gonna train more suicide bombers there and blow up the Empire State Building next... |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | just wondering I thought this had been approved to be built some months ago? |
SpottedTrout
08.14.10 | If they want to build it, go ahead. Its on private property, and by the law they cannot be denied.
But seriously, did they think about what they were doing? Just show a little tact, this isn't helping the already stereotypical image of your religion. |
Jethro42
08.14.10 | Yes Relayer is interesting. |
JWT155
08.14.10 | The whole mosque is a slap in the face to Americans, the name of the mosque, Cordoba, is a historical reference to when the Muslims won a huge battle in Spain against the Catholics if I'm correct which they're hinting at 9/11 being a "victory". The whole islamic world is laughing and mocking us over our stupidity and political correctness. |
theacademy
08.14.10 | spotted trout is all kinds of dumb just ignore. |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | lol JWT155 and trout |
theacademy
08.14.10 | ditto JWT
(being all kinds of dumb) |
Emim
08.14.10 | "If they want to build it, go ahead. Its on private property, and by the law they cannot be denied.
But seriously, did they think about what they were doing? Just show a little tact, this isn't helping the already stereotypical image of your religion. "
This. They can build the fucking thing ANYWHERE else, but they won't, even after so much opposition. But no, they choose to build a place of worship that over 2000 innocent people were killed in the name of so close to Ground Zero. Why is that? The whole thing is stupid.
And this is priceless: "Barack Obama said the US' commitment to religious freedom must be "unshakeable" [Reuters]" Bullllllllllllshitttttttttt |
SCREAM!
08.14.10 | Not saying i agree with it but what spotted trout said DOES make sense |
SpottedTrout
08.14.10 | @ theacademy
lol, how so? |
theacademy
08.14.10 | "They can build the fucking thing ANYWHERE else, but they won't, even after so much opposition."
have you ever been to new york? space is sort of at a premium... also why the fuck should they have to build somewhere else?
"this isn't helping the already stereotypical image of your religion."
i actually disagree completely.
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JWT155
08.14.10 | The best analogy I can come up with so that people can understand is would Akron allow someone to buy property 2 blocks away from Lebron James home or old HS in Akron and create a Basketball Court naming it "Benedict Arnold Arena". |
731
08.14.10 | Emim, seriously?
hopefully this gets deleted soon so i don't have any further reason to hate some of you |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | I might be wrong but didn't New York vote overwhelmingly in favour of it being built? |
theacademy
08.14.10 | @ trout:
"Its on private property, and by the law they cannot be denied. "
not true. there are certain legal permits/land use provisions that could block the construction of anything no matter how private the property. thats how america works.
as for your other part, see my last comment. |
theacademy
08.14.10 | @Terrifyer YES. I don't know why this is a national issue. |
731
08.14.10 | and lol, i was hoping JWT's first comment was a copy pasta from some other website, but no, he is in fact retarded |
theacademy
08.14.10 | @porch lolol srsly |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | right so if the people voted in favour of it being built then there can't really be "so much opposition". sounds more like some Christian retards getting their panties in a bunch |
East Hastings
08.14.10 | "first comment was a copy pasta"
LMAO |
Emim
08.14.10 | Yes, fucking seriously. Maybe I should go fund a huge Christian church over in the Middle East supporting the Crusades, I'm sure that would be perfectly ok, right?
"have you ever been to new york? space is sort of at a premium... also why the fuck should they have to build somewhere else?"
Have you? Have you ever been to Ground Zero? Seen the memorials? The families? Until you have, you really have no place to speak on the subject except from some ass-backward politically correct viewpoint.
If they're trying to make interfaith relations, building somewhere else that doesn't have such HUGE negative connotations should make perfect sense.
"hopefully this gets deleted soon so i don't have any further reason to hate some of you"
Yeah, me too. |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | "Yes, fucking seriously. Maybe I should go fund a huge Christian church over in the Middles East supporting the Crusades, I'm sure that would be perfectly ok, right?"
except they don't support the bombings so it's not the same thing |
theacademy
08.14.10 | "Have you? Have you ever been to Ground Zero? Seen the memorials? The families? Until you have, you really have no place to speak on the subject except from some ass-backward politically correct viewpoint."
yes. lifetime new yorker. I don't understand how any of this is relevant though.
"If they're trying to make interfaith relations, building somewhere else that doesn't have such HUGE negative connotations should make perfect sense."
that's sort of the point. if you don't allow it because of what you refer to as "negative connotations" you just perpetuate them. |
Emim
08.14.10 | Bullshit on all three of you, that's all I'm going to say. |
vanderb0b
08.14.10 | The "there's no space argument" is somewhat invalid. According to this article, http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/13/obama.islamic.center.support/index.html?hpt=T2#fbid=mLTgu0AhRPP&wom=false the state government offered those in charge of the project to relocate it to a state-owned area, but the offer was not accepted. |
731
08.14.10 | yeah fuck you guys for not being clouded by emotion and bigotry. FUCK YOU |
SpottedTrout
08.14.10 | "not true. there are certain legal permits/land use provisions that could block the construction of anything no matter how private the property. thats how america works."
you're right here. but if this was this issue, the debate on it would have ended long ago.
as to
"this isn't helping the already stereotypical image of your religion.
i actually disagree completely."
I'm not justifying the stereotypes, its just what i think happens. |
theacademy
08.14.10 | "yeah fuck you guys for not being clouded by emotion and bigotry. FUCK YOU"
i lol'd so hard |
SpottedTrout
08.14.10 | good debate guys |
theacademy
08.14.10 | "I'm not justifying the stereotypes, its just what i think happens."
I wasn't suggesting this was your point. I just see it differently. (see above) |
SpottedTrout
08.14.10 | yeah, i gotcha. |
East Hastings
08.14.10 | who wants to see some tits now |
SCREAM!
08.14.10 | Im sure they have access to various archives and data sheets before deciding to build these so if they picked a spot that is nicely, centrally located around where a lot of muslims live then no problem (although if JWT is right about the origin of the name, that does seem a little pushed). |
WeepingBanana
08.14.10 | it's just gonna be 1 more building that i don't really care about |
cirq
08.14.10 | in b4 LOL |
qwe3
08.14.10 | IF WE LET THEM BUILD IT THERE THE SANDNIGGERS WIN
but seriously retarded debate guys |
eternium
08.14.10 | I love how JWT repeated something that Newt Gingrich said, which is incorrect. http://gotmedieval.blogspot.com/2010/08/professor-newts-distorted-history.html |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | JWT always brings the retardedness in these debates |
Psilocyanide
08.14.10 | Anyone who says no is seriously a fucking moron. |
theacademy
08.14.10 | @terrifyer go to moaropeth.blogspot.com |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | ^ yah i've got it bookmarked
haha nice one porch |
theacademy
08.14.10 | k just checking i just put that up (credits go to porchular) |
eternium
08.14.10 | I may not agree with the location, but it wouldn't be built if there weren't already Muslims living there. This country was founded on the right to practice (or not practice) any religion you want (so long that it doesn't hurt anyone or break laws). To deny anyone that right is a slap on the face of our Constitution. |
qwe3
08.14.10 | look, building a mosque in the area around ground zero is a gesture of good faith and religious open-mindedness that's vital in the improvement of relations between the dominant faiths in new york of judaism and christianity, and islam. it's to show that, while the attacks on 9/11 were done in the name of islam, the US realises this doesn't reflect the attitude of the islamic community as a whole, which is something that hasn't been well communicated among the populace. at all.
point is if the attacks were done by some crazy christian cult and they built a catholic church nearby no one would bat an eyelid |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | 123fucking3 |
theacademy
08.14.10 | 12qwe3 |
eternium
08.14.10 | I think it's funny how conservatives and Republicans always talk about how liberals "rip apart the Constitution" while they're wanting to refuse a religious building's right to exist, deny the separation of church and state, want to repeal the 14th amendment because of "anchor babies", and want to repeal the 17th amendment to end income taxes. |
SeaAnemone
08.14.10 | separation of church and state isn't nearly as clear-cut as you think, it's arguably implied... dicey stuff. but yeah, other than that, 123 eternium |
eternium
08.14.10 | "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" There is absolutely no way that can be followed without the government placing a wall between itself and religion. |
qwe3
08.14.10 | lets not get into separation of church and state coz then you get moral codes and shit and urgh muddy |
SeaAnemone
08.14.10 | lets not get into separation of church and state coz then you get moral codes and shit and urgh muddy [2]
it's a very complex issue, I'm not nearly confident enough on it to argue extensively, but I know enough that I know I should keep my mouth shut |
eternium
08.14.10 | Well, that's what this is about when it comes down to the laws. Morally, it's about how some people think it's an insult to 9/11 victims and how the majority of those people are just bigots who assume that all Muslims are like the terrorists. |
cirq
08.14.10 | http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhK0o2yQ3132n9irjs |
theacademy
08.14.10 | thats hilarious he just keeps puking on her |
731
08.14.10 | 'thats hilarious he just keeps puking on her'
sums up this thread |
Terrifyer
08.14.10 | what is that hes drinking? the name doesnt ring any bells |
theacademy
08.14.10 | 123 731 |
HalfManHalfAmazing
01.02.11 | I know this thread is old, but I feel the need to clarify that a community center with a prayer area, not a mosque is planned to be built. |
wyankeif1337
01.02.11 | You bumped it fag |
fr33convict
01.02.11 | why the hell man what kind of horrible person would bump a list |
North0House
01.02.11 | Hardcore bumping time. |
Josh D.
01.02.11 | Missed this list; they should be allowed to build.
Moving on... |
North0House
01.02.11 | No, this list will never move on. |
TheStefan
01.02.11 | same.
they shouldnt be allowed to build because muslims were the ones who killed us on 9/11
i guarantee that after this is said, done and built, Osama is gonna send out another video saying how retarded americans are to honor the religious group that hurt them on the very location of the crime.
it shouldnt be a political issue though. the fact that it is means that america is not religiously tolerant, but then again, neither am i |
robertsona
01.02.11 | why was this bumped
what the fuck
anyways people who care whether or not they build it are stupid but Were Letting The Terrorists Win If We Do Oh My God |
Josh D.
01.02.11 | "hey shouldnt be allowed to build because muslims were the ones who killed us on 9/11"
That's a very lame argument/generalization.
"the fact that it is means that america is not religiously tolerant"
Lol, no. America is TOO tolerant. Religion gets away with unconstitutional things all the time, it's sickening.
The fact it that the first amendment says that the government can't aid nor prohibit religious activities within the bounds of the law. Building a place of worship falls under that amendment. |
TheStefan
01.02.11 | exactly. that's why it shouldn't be an issue. |
Josh D.
01.02.11 | So you don't mean what you just typed, I guess?
Whatever, I'm not coming back to this thread EVER AGIANQ!@$R |
TheStefan
01.02.11 | no, i just mean that we shouldn't even know about the construction of the mosque. They should have just built it without turning it into this huge thing.
Even though those are my views as a constitutionalist, i still disagree with the building of the mosque now that they have decided to turn it into a gigantic story in the news, and that's where my views come into play |
North0House
01.02.11 | I think everyone's retarded, and that's why we're having so many issues. |
TheStefan
01.02.11 | i agree with north0house. you kinda hit the nail on the head |
HalfManHalfAmazing
01.03.11 | It's not a mosque it's a community center with a designated prayer area for Muslims and they didn't want this whole thing to become a huge story, shameless conservatives did. |
cirq
01.03.11 | this got bumped again? lol wtf |
qwe3
01.03.11 | worst thread ever gonna bump it because its entertaining |
Satellite
01.03.11 | a couple dozen brainwashed muslim extremists blow up the wtc, so ALL muslims need to stay the fuck away derrrrrrr. |
