DeleriumTrigger: The Juggalo Handbook (The Juggalo Misconception)

DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	I am a large bundle of sticks, I am aware.
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	Not a fan of the band but your life sounds insane - you should write a book, man.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	I guess you've never lived in a trailer park before haha.
Meatplow 03.05.10	I actually enjoyed reading this. Good work.
PirateSquid 03.05.10	"all of there mainstream songs are GAY, I know this" What a stereotypical Juggalo sentence. You're life seems more boring and poserish the more I read about it.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	mmm ooh look at the Pirate, I hope you're not after my booty :d
PirateSquid 03.05.10	lol I get it gay jokes are funny, especially when the person is really gay : D Which is why Juggalo's are hilarious all the time, since that's about the only real jokes and insults they come up with. "what, man? you a fucking faggot-ass"
MetalFaceDoom 03.05.10	How about this. You guys are fucking retards Plus I was put here to put fear in *gots who spray Faygo Root Beer and call themselves "Clowns" cause they look queer got2Dope and Silent Gay Claimin Detroit, when y'all live twenty miles away (*in punks) And I don't wrestle, I'll knock you in gots the * out Ask 'em about the club they was at when they snuck out after they ducked out the back when they saw us and bugged out (AHHH!) Ducked down and got paintballs shot at they truck, blaow! Look at y'all runnin your mouth again when you ain't seen a in Mile Road, South of 10 And I don't need help, from D-12, to beat up two females in make-up, who may try to scratch me with Lee Nails "Slim Anus," you damn right, Slim Anus I don't get ed in mine like you two little flaming *gots! - Eminem.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Yeah I know it's freaking hilarious right.
porch 03.05.10	what the hell is wrong with you
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Something happened last night that you might get upset about But here me out I didn't mean nothin by it I'm gonna make this quick, i've been given your mom this dick I don't know how it happened I just know my nuts and the bitch was slappin I was over there mowin the grass and i could feel her eyes all up on my ass I went inside to make a phone call, And there she was with a titty hangin out her bra One thing just led to another, and the next thing you know i been fuckin your mother ICP
MetalFaceDoom 03.05.10	Lol those lyrics are full of fail
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Ugh "full of fail". What's with these cheesy sayings lately.
MetalFaceDoom 03.05.10	Yeah if only we could all be as grammatically correct as a Juggalo. Let's try it again Here we go now (clapclapclapclap) WHOOP WHOOP! (clapclapclapclap) WHOOP WHOOP! Not bad, not bad But some of y'all just need'a loosen up Just loosen up I know everybody has their own little dance They like to do their own personal get jiggy move We're gonna bus' it right now Get loose y'all Get, get, get, get loose Get, get, get, get loose
MetalFaceDoom 03.05.10	Btw im not spreading hate to fans of Icp. I just fucking hate juggalos. Here is just one example. http://www.thenoiseboard.com/lofiversion/index.php?t186996.html
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	You're being a jerk. I'm not talking to you anymore.
Ghostechoes 03.05.10	...
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	I was a bi emo kid when I first started hanging out with them so I'd say yeah.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	ICP lyrics are absolutely atrocious and they carry equally horrible messages.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Says the man who's Lastfm is not working :p
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	what does my nonexistent lastfm have to do with your distortion of reality?
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Nothing really I was simply pointing out a fun fact.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	I'm just trying to better understand the life which you feel so necessary to defend vehemently here, and I was wondering if you care to explain how you get any sort of satisfaction out of hearing the particular lyrics ICP write... I mean there's a cult around the band, I'd assume the lyrics are pretty important?
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Not really. I'm not to into the music aspect of it. And I'm not defending my life, I'm just sharing.
poweroftheweez 03.05.10	you forgot the part where one of the albums tells all juggalos to bum cigarettes from me.
Bullitt 03.05.10	Ya, can't you just be friends and help each other out without helping a couple talentless douche bags get rich?
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Like I said I'm not 'super' into ICP but talentless? The Great Milenko is a great album.
Satellite 03.05.10	"We as people must do the best we can and try to help each other out. I always hook up the homies with food and bud if I got it and they always help me out." Wow, aren't you altruistic. How about instead of helping the overweight greasy degenerates who listen to the same shitty music as you, help a few of the millions of people in the world who actually need it.
poweroftheweez 03.05.10	one arguably 'good' album does not warrant the essential cock-sucking this band has received over the years. its quite literally disgusting.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	a. your whole list seemed pretty defensive b. "Ya, can't you just be friends and help each other out without helping a couple talentless douche bags get rich?" this c. And I've never heard somebody successfully defend the merit of their music, I know it's subjective- but can you just try?
MUNGOLOID 03.05.10	i can't think of any other band that doesn't deserve the cult following that icp has. hell, i can't even think of a cult following that is close to being big as the juggalos. this groups is rolling in the dough and for what? their music? i'd rather believe they gain their fans by their wrestling abilities than rapping.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Yeah because I can help a million people in the first place. By the time I'm done with rent and car payment I hardly have enough money for drugs.
Satellite 03.05.10	"...a few of the millions of people..." Way to read, bro.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	My mistake on my reading error. Again I expected the hate anyway on such an "elite" site such as this one. I've already said a lot of their shit is retarded, I am aware of this.
Bullitt 03.05.10	It's not that this site is "elite". It's just full of people who only listen to music that they truly enjoy, not just because of group mentality.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	The music is bad. Why do you participate in a cult based around horrible music? Is the music actually NOT horrible and I don't get it? You JUST said a lot of their shit is retarded. I don't get it. Seriously, I'm not trying to be as accusational as this sounds- I JUST want to understand this a little better because honestly it baffles me.
Bullitt 03.05.10	Ya, please explain this to us. Because I see ICP on the same level as that crazy bastard from Heavens Gate that somehow brainwashed a bunch of people into following him and committing suicide.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	My best explanation. ICP have some great songs as well as a bunch of crap. I guess I just like it sometimes idk why. Sorry if that's unhelpful but me being a juggalo is more related to the friends I've made than the music I listen to. Not all juggalos are run down white trash, just most lol.
OhAliceMonster 03.05.10	Okay umm.. i mean- my dad got me into icp at a young age. i listened to the amazing jeckel brothers.. and then i grew up and started listening to real music. let me summarize everything that icp is: "bitch ill rape you,, ive got some wanna be bling,, i wear excessive face paint and tripp pants tht belong to another style of people and im an amazing amount of poser.." FAGGOTS.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	ok now we're getting somewhere... we've addressed the fact that ICP is a laughably bad artist (due to your explanation of them having mostly crap songs), now can we go a step further and say that your lifestyle is ridiculous and can be entirely attributed to group mentality?
OhAliceMonster 03.05.10	JUGGALOS rly are white trash and they stole tripp pants which makes me really enraged and they say that you dont ehf with a juggalo well guess what? its a name. its a cult. its almost a poser religion.
Curse. 03.05.10	Maybe you could help other people by not wasting your money on drugs
OhAliceMonster 03.05.10	:\| you listen to icp,, so i think we are even.
Curse. 03.05.10	who was that directed towards?
OhAliceMonster 03.05.10	who was your comment directed towards?
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	I live in a council estate, which is the English equivelant of a trailer park
ThePalestMexican 03.05.10	Even if we all do fuck the same girl, twack out and sell our food stamps for drug money we're all their together. They stick with me when I blast Jane Doe, they were there when I tripped on e and dressed up like a drag queen. They were there when I was up for a week writing letters to myself. and this ISN'T white trash?
OhAliceMonster 03.05.10	I agree palestmexican. absolutely agree.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	To some it is a religion. I don't wear face paint or any makeup unless it's mascara to bring out my eyelashes. I don't waste too much money on drugs - I'd say 150 a week tops. White Trash? Guilty, although I look far from poor now I was brought up extremely poor so phrases like that bring nostalgia. The Lifestyle - Not everything is based around ICP, does a Despair Faction member obsess over AFI all day? no. It is just something we have in common. I sport an icp shirt every now and then, I'm not ashamed of who I am or what any of you say. "FAGGOTS" lol I've heard that before :)
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	ok now we're getting somewhere... we've addressed the fact that ICP is a laughably bad artist (due to your explanation of them having mostly crap songs), now can we go a step further and say that your lifestyle is ridiculous and can be entirely attributed to group mentality?
MUNGOLOID 03.05.10	$150 isn't too much money? the fuck?
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	@thepalestmexican Again I am guilty of such white trash activities oh guess what though? I volunteer on Sundays to take mentally handicapped children go on outings. I am such a piece of white trash shit I know.
Satellite 03.05.10	"I volunteer on Sundays to take mentally handicapped children go on outings." I thought the Gathering of the Juggalos was only once a year.
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	Too far?????.....na
Bullitt 03.05.10	That was GENIUS Satellite!
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	Yeah we know you're white trash but you're forgetting to address me, the most important person in the thread.
Bullitt 03.05.10	"being a juggalo is more related to the friends I've made than the music I listen to" Then why the hell did you come on a music site and support a band you claim to not even really like. You do realize that shaggy and that other douche probably live in mansions and drive porches while juggalos rot in trailer parks because they think they are living the juggalo life style.
JWT155 03.05.10	Uhhhh... fuck juggalos.
Bullitt 03.05.10	Juggalo: Confused individuals that are a product of the break down of the white middle class/lower class family, hero worship, and the emasculatory expectations of society. Usually characterized as indolent, witless, overly self-glorifying, and speak a lot of shit about anyone but are never concerned about backing it up because they won't. All these traits are an attempt for a cohesive group structure that accepts them and will tolerate their unfounded angst/effeminate banter or actions. A purely American occurance that is a scourge on par with Chavs and Wiggers. Courtesy of urban dictionary /thread
Lelle 03.05.10	bwahahaha satellite
JWT155 03.05.10	Prefer this one more... 'A greasy, fat, teenager with a kool aid mustache and no friends who listens to songs about clowns in his step mother's double wide mobile home when he isn't hanging out at the mall food court.'
intothepit83 03.05.10	The last time I actually saw a Juggalo he was getting his ass beat at an Atmosphere concert. By a girl.
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	Personally dude, although I really don't like ICP I think you put together an interesting list which gave a pretty evocative glimpse into a life that, while not to everyones tastes, is at least better than the utter stagnation that most people slip into. And I'm English white trash and I don't give a fuck.
intothepit83 03.05.10	And btw..... you don't trip on E, regardless of what your Juggalo friends told you.;
theacademy 03.05.10	this is awesome. i find it ironic that this dude is a more talented writer than everyone who is shitting on him.
JWT155 03.05.10	No.
Bullitt 03.05.10	He needs good grammar to make up for the pointlessness of his article. Were okay to drop our grammar to around 4th grade level because our points are valid either way.
Satellite 03.05.10	That's not really what irony is, cad, but okay.
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy: hey, we finally found someone with terrible taste that might rival yours!
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	Dude, you can trip on E. Not sure what it's like in America but in England a lot of the time they used to be cut with various hallucinogens. Good times! Too old now, though.
theacademy 03.05.10	this list is actually really funny. all your lists are worthless (no offense, have no problem with anyone here). also he totally played you. you all sound like huge douchebags.
theacademy 03.05.10	lol look at this kid's ratings. coheed and converge. no problem with that.
intothepit83 03.05.10	well, back in the day they used to cut it with just speed and heroin down here in Florida. I haven't done any in years upon years, but they never cut it with anything else back then. Plus, you get too hyper on that shit to trip
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	It's been about six years for me. Got to the point where I liked it too much. Went to some wicked d'n'b nights at the start, though - so fucking intense.
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	Why the fuck would they cut E with Heroin??? That doesn't make sense if the dealer/maker wants to profit anything
Satellite 03.05.10	Wow you guys are cool.
MUNGOLOID 03.05.10	in all seriousness delirium, you should make a memoir about being a juggalo. bet that would be a best seller.
Bullitt 03.05.10	Observe douche bags having conversations about douche bag things.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	... I didn't make this list to "support a band I hate". I don't hate them but I would like to inform all of you that nothing is black and white. I've met the sweetest people Juggalos and Juggalets who aren't the typical "fat greasy pig". They are my friends and they accept me easier than most because there out there out there to, with them I don't feel alone and that in itself is enough for me to write off all of the rude comments you users have thrown at me. It's kinda funny though I was just making a list for fun and it turns into everyone calling me a faggot. That's very upstanding of all of you, I wonder if all of you just have perfect lives without a care in the world? well that's nice if you do because not all of us put into the best situations. These juggalos, my friends, have helped me out through a lot and that in the end is what matters most. Not a bunch of bored Sputnik users calling me names. Do you really think I care? No, I have work and more important things on my mind. Hold on one last post before I leave.
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	Heroin is cheap man. Judgemental people can suck my balls.
intothepit83 03.05.10	Pigdestroyer: Because people like you don't know any better. Heroin cuts out the jitteriness and adds more of a spaced-out feeling to it. You don't grind your teeth as much and there's more of a feeling of euphoria that goes along with it. It's also cheaper for the person making the pills, considering that heroin is cheaper than MDMA
intothepit83 03.05.10	If you didn't care what people were saying, delerium, than you wouldnt' have posted that. You also wouldn't have made this list.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	4 quad stacks will make you trip and on top of that it was only my second time. I like a lot of ICP songs. I dislike some as well. I call myself a Juggalo because those people who have taken care of me in time of need have become my family when I didn't have any before. It's more than just music, with them I feel free because I'm not the odd one out. And on top of that they're very chill people and I'm proud to call myself a Juggalo.
JWT155 03.05.10	Fine, whatever makes you happy dude. They make help you feel good and all but your not going to be a successful and productive person in this world hanging around people like that for the rest of your life. I'm friends with a lot of gothic people or people who fit a juggalo life style but almost all of them have become waste of lives who still live with their parents and only smoke weed and are mall rats. Meanwhile I'm a college student moving ahead in life. If you want to just be content in your little happy world then fine but theirs more to life then that.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	No really dude I'ma forget everything you people have said right when I log off but feel free to keep insulting me it's give me something to read later. Peace :)
theacademy 03.05.10	@jwt being in college doesnt mean shit. you really shouldn't be proud of it. no offense.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	... umm I go to college as well and I have a job and I have my own place and an okay car.... I even have girlfriends! so yeah.
MUNGOLOID 03.05.10	agree with academy. i'm in college right now but i'm still a jobless slob that still lives with my parents.
intothepit83 03.05.10	delerium- apparently not. i bet you're gonna go and converse with your friends about it. jwt- ya, bragging about going to college is like bragging about mommy and daddy buying you a mercedes because you received an A on a spelling test. Wow, theacademy, you're right, we do agree on some topics occasionally
theacademy 03.05.10	^exactly. until you make your own way in the world, you really havent done anything
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	whatever works for you... personally I would've liked to see you reply to some of my replies, but you responded with some nice points to the people calling you a fag... harder to do than it sounds. I realize that you feel you need to belong (just like every one of us- as a matter of fact the things we ALL do to belong in this or that can be a bit ridiculous) I just feel like Juggalos go a bit far in ridiculousness when it comes to their need to belong, that's all, no hard feelings.
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	It aint my place to tell you what to do, man - but speaking from experience, continuing in that type of lifestyle for a long time can have a very negative effect on your life. Wish I'd stopped about two years before I did. Still, I regret the three years of straightedge more than those I got wasted. Boring fucking lifestyle.
theacademy 03.05.10	@sea: this is why anthropology is flawed. sea, you and i will never understand that lifestyle, becaue we are outside it. thus, it's best not to condescend.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	academy: you don't think certain societies (present day, at least) can be judged objectively? well, not the society as a whole, but certainly certain facets of it?
theacademy 03.05.10	there are different levels of judgment. judging isnt really the problem, never was. UNDERSTANDING, on the other hand...
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	@Seaanemone - I think it could be argued that the need to belong is an extremely pervasive trait in human civilisation. Patriotism, religion, gang culture, fanboyism, the endless fucking adoration of sports teams.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	ok fair enough... that's actually why I was so interested in this guy's thoughts. I sincerely wasn't here to berate the poor user, it's just that he provided so much insight into something that usually doesn't come across very clearly. I was just curious because I have so little (and probably skewed) idea of why Juggalos are Juggalos.
PirateSquid 03.05.10	"this is why anthropology is flawed. sea, you and i will never understand that lifestyle, becaue we are outside it. thus, it's best not to condescend." Why I'm sure to defend those in the KKK.
theacademy 03.05.10	big difference between cultural annoyance provided by juggalos and actual physical violence put forth by the KKK.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	Broken: you and I are on the exact same pg... fuck nationalism pirate: not exactly, academy said "understand," not defend or agree with
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	I don't know where you guys come from but MDMA is a lot cheaper than smack
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	I actually found out recently that someone I know very well (not by choice (but not family, either)) is a former/possible current member of the KKK... disturbing shit. It's a long, interesting, but too personal story to share on Sputnik.
PirateSquid 03.05.10	"big difference between cultural annoyance provided by juggalos and actual physical violence put forth by the KKK." ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG Wrong. Not only have Juggalos harmed in the past (Chuck D. for example), but not all KKK members do physical harm, which is why it's legal. Please try again after getting yo facts, dawg
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy- how can you understand something that doesn't make any sense though? I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing to be a "Juggalo," but the fact that you follow around two guys and live a lifestyle that's filled with violence and drugs just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. People have been disregarded and alienated throughout the history of this planet, but instead of going into a world of drugs, violence, and crime, they resort to bettering themselves. Now, i don't know this listmaker personally of course, but from what I've read he feels he needs to lash out and resort to escapism through drugs and sex than going out and finding a way to better himself. that's the reason society is going up shit's creek. people have to escape from reality rather than deal with it. it's okay to do that every now and then, but to do it every day to the point to where you only associate with the people like that, then what's the point?
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	intothepit: what the fuck is "bettering oneself?"
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	conforming to society
PirateSquid 03.05.10	BUT YUR NOT CONFORMING YUR INDIVIDUL
intothepit83 03.05.10	rather than pissing on a dude's face, taking ecstacy and "tripping" on a couch, and/or fucking random girls everyday is the opposite of bettering "oneself." Bettering oneself is looking out at the world and finding something meaninful to do, whether it be for your life or for the sake of another.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	while this poor lad's escapades can easily be considered utterly idiotic, I think he would vehemently argue that finding a group of people whom he feels affection for and kinship with (he said he had no family before) would be bettering himself.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	intothepit: nice reply to the academy up there, I like that
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	that is only your view on how to better ones self...maybe his view is to get wasted and screw chicks
theacademy 03.05.10	@squid: you seem to contradict your own logic. you have a problem with individual actors acting out in a violent manner, in both circumstances, but not with the group right to exist/think differently. Also, again, all i'm saying is that you cannot purport to understand it. @pit you're a 27 year old high school educated tattoo artist from florida with extensive knowledge in the production of E and heroin who once actually wrote out "tride and true"... and you look down on juggalos? don't get me wrong, that was an incredibly condescending way to sum up your life, but my point is that it all depends on your frame of reference.
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	@Sea - interesting that you should say that. Sadly I've had close connections with people in various fascist groups in England. To be honest that's why I rail against people who are so quick to judge. I wasn't being confrontational towards you though man - I can see your opinions are considered, in the best sense of the word. Intothepit... violence exists man, whether we like it or not. I grew up around violence and eventually got to love it. Spent about ten years fighting (mostly people that deserved it) and getting wasted. Don't regret it one bit.
WatchItExplode 03.05.10	wonderful list...got bugz on my nutz
Brokenjewel 03.05.10	@pigdestroyer - if I lived where you live man, I'd be dead. Give me MDMA anytime, more expensive than gold over here.
Prophet178 03.05.10	The "Juggalo Family" is like a gang for middle class white kids that don't fit in at school.
porch 03.05.10	this guy isn't even a juggalo, it's just killer9 trolling again
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	oops I think you're right.
theacademy 03.05.10	na this shit is actually hilarious, but i also don't think he's an actual juggalo
intothepit83 03.05.10	Pigdestoyer- Conforming to society has nothing to do with it. Who says you have to do what the government, your family, or your friends tell you to do to make your life and the world around you better? I did the opposite of everything people told me to do my whole life and I believe I turned out just fine. I have my own business, my own home, and a family. One of my good friends had to go through a ton of shit to get where he is nowadays, and he bucked everything everyone told him to do. He didn't go to college, didn't finish high school, and didn't do anything educational with his life. but he's a savvy business man and is a millionaire. now, i understand that he's a rare case, but it's proof that you don't have to do what everyone says you need to do to be succesful
Satellite 03.05.10	The message intothepit83 tries very hard to convey with every one of his posts: "I am awesome and desperately need you to know how awesome I am."
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy- you're insult me over my writing style? this has nothing to do with mine or anyone else's writing style. so please, tell me why you would bring that up, considering it is an irrelevant fact in this discussion
theacademy 03.05.10	not an insult. just pointing out that looking down on people is relative.
intothepit83 03.05.10	satellite- way to go in joining theacademy in the "Most Irrelevant Satement" of the year category.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	I think they're relatively relevant (relevant to MOST long Sputnik threads at least)
ART36 03.05.10	Oxymoron?
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy- i'm not looking down on anyone for being a "Juggalo." if you feel that's your way in life, go ahead. I just don't see the point of it. I'm not insulting the guy, I'm not insulting you. I'm actually trying to have a somewhat intelligent conversation on here, but once again, you prove that you lack the wit and points to do so.
ART36 03.05.10	I look down on people who are juggalos. I think it's stupid how society has become so politically correct that it becomes "wrong" to judge people based on their life choices.
sniper 03.05.10	Juggalos aren't always THAT bad. I used to buy quality drugs at great prices from the Juggalos at my high school. BUT with that said, ICP blows and Juggalos are super fucking annoying a lot of the time. I can understand the attraction to the group though (Juggalos, not ICP I'll never get that). Most Juggalos are probably like this guy, they had no where else to go, no money, no friends, etc and found somewhere they were welcome.
theacademy 03.05.10	@art its fine to judge people. just don't pretend what youre doing cannot be turned on yourself. piratesquid calls this kid boring and poserish but cannot accept when someguest calls his lifestyle disgusting? i mean, don't you see the irony there?
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	we're talking about this kid's life choices... Pirate's orientation is an entirely different matter.
Prophet178 03.05.10	Wait you mean being gay isn't a life choice?
Prophet178 03.05.10	(Just extended this discussion another 100 comments)
intothepit83 03.05.10	Shanev: That's where I think society goes wrong, though. Yes, it's nice to find a place where you belong. But most of the time you have to meet certain requirements TO belong to that sect of society. The minute you stop meeting those requirements, you are ignored and thrown to the side. I understand that my ideals in these posts are a bit Utopian, but I look at movements like Juggalos(if you wanna call it a movement) and Straight Edge and I do see what a lot of these younger kids are looking for. But the minute you decide to do something different, you are alienated from that group. It's not a job, it's not a club, it's a group of kids, adults, and the like who want to feel like they belong. It's another form of discrimination and prejudice, it's just not as widely publicized
theacademy 03.05.10	i don't know, if youre born destitute and have no parents or other sources of guidance, you could make an argument for them being analogous...
intothepit83 03.05.10	"i don't know, if youre born destitute and have no parents or other sources of guidance, you could make an argument for them being analogous..." What? Are you serious?
theacademy 03.05.10	playing devil's advocate.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	sorry academy I think you're stretching that WAY too far... this is about his life choices. He had many other options other than becoming a Jugalo.
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	@ Intothepit83 that was exactly the point I was making...there are many different variations of bettering ones self
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy- are you saying that if you grow up basically without any form of support or anything, it means you have a better chance of being gay? you CHOOSE your friends, you CHOOSE your life path, but YOU DO NOT CHOOSE to be gay, and the fact that you might not have parents like you say has nothing to do with that
Satellite 03.05.10	What cad obviously means is that you have no control over the environment in which you are born into.
sniper 03.05.10	I agree to some extent Pit, but how is that group different from any other? Sputnik can be looked at the same way if you made the right case for it. Granted, people come here for different reason than people seek groups like Juggalos do, but still, there are rules you have to follow to be accepted. The only thing that makes us different is we don't sell drugs, get in fights, etc.
intothepit83 03.05.10	Shanev- You have to make your own friends. Joining a group like that isn't making friends, it's conforming to a way they prefer and jumping on the bandwagon because "you have nowhere else to go." Your life is what you make of it. There aren't any rules to how you should run your life. If you want to do drugs, go ahead. If you want to go to college, go ahead. But why should I have someone tell me what I have to do, just so I can be accepted? That just doesn't make any sense to me. I am my own person, you are your own person, this list maker is his own person. It's just a matter of do you want to use your own brain and make your own values, or do you want someone to do it for you?
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	Did you just compare Sputnik to Juggalos....we have reached a new low :/
Satellite 03.05.10	"I am my own person, you are your own person, this list maker is his own person." Hate to get all B.F. Skinner on you, but you are a COMPLETE product of your environment no matter how hard you try to convince yourself or anyone else otherwise. Sorry you had to hear it from me.
sniper 03.05.10	Only as an example of another social group. Don't worry, I know we're far from being as retarded as Juggalos.
sniper 03.05.10	And no, Pit is right, everyone has choices. They might depend on your environment, but they are still up to you. Everyone chooses his own direction, this guy just happened to choose Juggalos.
intothepit83 03.05.10	Satellite- really? are you sure about that? you wanna assume that EVERYONE is a product of their own environment? i moved from home to home every 8-9 months of my life growing up. i don't know my parents, i don't know my sisters and brothers, and i grew up with a new set of parents every year. i was around drugs and in trailerparks MYSELF all day and every day til i was 18 years old. growing up, violence was a way of life for my friends and i. but SOME people do rise above it. it's your choice. you can either see that your parents or guardians are complete and utter terrible influences on you, or you can rise above it and do something else with your life. you have a mind. fucking use it
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	I would have to agree
Satellite 03.05.10	You missed my point entirely. You were insinuating that you were somehow beyond the influence of "society". If you had to deal with all of that shit, that WAS your environment and you ARE a product of it. Nobody is truly "their own person".
Prophet178 03.05.10	"The message intothepit83 tries very hard to convey with every one of his posts: "I am awesome and desperately need you to know how awesome I am.""
intothepit83 03.05.10	satellite- you can claim all you want that i make statements like that just so i can "look awesome" like you did earlier, but the fact remains that people DO go throughout their lives. My case isn't any better, worse, or different from a lot of other peoples. The fact remains, though, that some people have a drive inside them that tells them that this isn't the life you want. I've heard of kids growing up in Compton, California in the middle of the hood with crackheads for parents. They've found a way to go out and do something with their lives.
theacademy 03.05.10	wait wait did anybody else read my analogy the same way intothepit did? please, let me know if anybody did. because wow.
ART36 03.05.10	" you have a mind. fucking use it" ^ QFT
intothepit83 03.05.10	How can you say that nobody is "their own person?" Are you saying you are someone else? Or want to be someone else? Or does someone else do the thinking for you?
sniper 03.05.10	Satellite - we know everyone is influenced by their surroundings, but thats not what someone means when they say "my own person." He meant that you don't have to follow the flock. Just because all of someones friends are doing drugs or whatever doesn't mean you HAVE to do the same. Even if it is more likely.
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	lol not at all theacademy... I thought it was pretty obvious but pit missed it entirely
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy- oh, i'm sorry. according to you, i'm not that intelligent, so please, enlighten me, oh boy-genius
SeaAnemone 03.05.10	intothepit: he's just saying that everyone is their own person (what the fuck?! cmon) AND the product of their environment. They aren't exclusive. Geez calm down and learn to read gooder.
theacademy 03.05.10	pfsh, "boy genius"... i'm 35! divided by 5 times 3 plus 1 divided by 1 times 1 yea
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy- so rather than explain it to me, you'd rather insult me. thanks seaanemone- i just didn't read it properly. gimme a break
Satellite 03.05.10	And I'm wasn't arguing that point... like, at all. Just simply pointing out that it's absurd to think that people can somehow detach themselves from the influences of their surroundings, because that's their reality. And yeah, people overcome those hardships, and that's great.
Satellite 03.05.10	FYI that was a response to your "satellite- you can claim..." comment. A lot going on here. Haha.
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	both sides of the argument are correct!! A person is shaped by others that is fact(if you were raised by a fucking wolf you would act like a fucking wolf) the other side is not getting too technical about it by saying that even though you were raised by wolves you don't have to go with the wrong pack of wolves to do drugs
Satellite 03.05.10	"He meant that you don't have to follow the flock." Yeah I got that, bro, and I'm saying that to at least a certain extent, that's bullshit. Free will is mostly an illusion.
theacademy 03.05.10	ok pit, you're right complain about that, i'm sorry. basically my point is that, from a certain perspective (read: NOT NECESSARILY MINE) being a homosexual and being a juggalo can both be looked at as 'alternative' lifestyles. my follow up, was that one can analogize the position that 'you don't choose to be gay' with a point similar to sat's, that people are products of their environment, and without proper guidance, some circumstances (tough life, poverty, alienation, unsatisfactory home life, propensity for drug use, not fitting in at school, etc.) could lead a person to the church of juggalo. that was all i meant by it...
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy- you're 35? coulda fooled me.
intothepit83 03.05.10	theacademy- thank you. disregard my last comment then. much appreciated
sniper 03.05.10	No need to be a douche dude, all I'm saying is, you're arguing against a point that doesn't necessarily even disagree with yours.
theacademy 03.05.10	i'm not 35 i was just playin with math... i hope that equation works out to 22
Illitoris 03.05.10	This is the best list I have seen in quite some time.
JWT155 03.05.10	Everyone just needs to calm down, sit back and crack open a Faygo.
Satellite 03.05.10	No, you were trying to clarify pit's point as though I didn't grasp it, and I was simply letting you know that I understood him fine but simply disagreed. Not sure how that makes me a douche, but okay.
intothepit83 03.05.10	satellite- free will cannot be mostly an illusion. the only proof you need is that you are on here talking to us about your opinions right now. if free will was an illusion, you wouldn't be doing that. you'd be agreeing with everyone else on here. another piece of evidence that it isnt: what of the suburban 16 year old white kid with parents that are strict, have great jobs, make a ton of money, and take care of their famillies? what happens to that 16 year old? oh, well, he gets arrested for dealing cocaine. he's not a product of his environment, is he? i wouldn't think so. there is no black and white with this issue. there is a huge grey area, and to say that everyone is product of what's around them is false, and to say that everyone is a complete free-thinker is false. there are too many cases proving each side
theacademy 03.05.10	jugga jugga http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7098395097637744886&ei=B2CRS7r9B5GaqAK6g9TLAg&q=juggalo&hl=en#docid=2991348419486271628
intothepit83 03.05.10	ya, it does. but i'm not so good with math..... and english..... and science..... and philosophy..... okay, pretty much anything that has to do with education
Satellite 03.05.10	"free will cannot be mostly an illusion. the only proof you need is that you are on here talking to us about your opinions right now." Point taken, but I still disagree. Many aspects of our day-to-day routine exist because society requires them. For example, pants. On a nice summer day, what purpose do they serve? "there is no black and white with this issue" Definitely agreed. This is a classic nature vs. nurture argument, and there is certainly an overlap. I just lean more towards the nurture side.
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	why can't we just compromise and become drug addicted juggalos who go to college and have a job?
Satellite 03.05.10	Also, pit, I apologize for the "I am awesome" jab. I sorta meant it when I said it (mostly I was just being a dick), but you have proven to be more than capable of engaging in a civil debate.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Wow.. I'm on lunch and wtf did I miss?
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	not much actually
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Cool this'll be fun to read. My mouth taste like a fucking swamp cooler though ugh.
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	I don't know what that means but it doesn't sound really appealing lol
intothepit83 03.05.10	satellite- i appreciate the apology. thank you. as for the debate, though: i'm having trouble understanding the comparison of "pants(LOL)" and the rest of it. please explain. and yes, i know, i am dick on here alot. personally, it's just because i have a juvenile sense of humor and i like to feed it as much as possible. but i am capable of discussing more serious, pertinent aspects of society, music, and anything else, as long as it calls for it.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	I gotta clear up a few things from the posts I've read. I don"t follow 2 fat dudes around wtf. I know these people are entertainers. I know the difference between reality and media. I'm not a drug addict, I'm a casual user. My main drug is pot but I've smoked crack (and it was ugh nasty, didn't see why they liked it so much) I've popped quite a few E pills but quit that and then I get spun out... maybe 5-7 times a month but I use that for more recreational purposes. (working late, need to clean my house, homework ect). I'm fairly responsible when it comes to that, I know my limits. Also I'm not a violent person, I love animals (I adore my kitten 'Joker') I spend time with my little brothers, I stare at the moon, I'm not a thief or a thug and I always try to give my friends good advice. That whole shit thing was something else though I gotta say. Anyway. well that's really all I have I think. Thanks for the feedback.
PigDestroyer89 03.05.10	good on you man!! weed is the best
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Northern Lights and Snicklefrits mmmmmmmmm so yummy.
intothepit83 03.05.10	but see, when you call yourself a juggalo you are basically saying that you follow ICP's ideals and ways of life. i just don't get your reasoning behind saying that. not trying to offend you nor trying to condemn you for it, i'm just curious. unfortunately, down here in florida, juggalos have a bad rep because they deserve a bad rep. i went to go see mushroomhead awhile back. the opening band was Hed(PE). Since they are now associated with ICP, the whole show was filled with Juggalos. All i saw were kids getting into fights, spilling their liquor all over everyone else, and then a dude splitting my boy in the face for accidentally bumping into him. it was ridiculous and sad to see. i know that's not how all of you are, but it's hard to get a different perspective on that way of thinking when the worst examples are always right in front of u
Prophet178 03.05.10	So you're a middle class white kid that doesn't fit in at school, therefore you feel the need to find another outlet where you do fit in, and since you're a middle class white kid you can't join a gang so you turn to the Juggalos. Did I get it right?
intothepit83 03.05.10	What's worse? Lower-class white kid? or Upper-class black kid? you decide!
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	@Prophet178 lol dude not even close.
Prophet178 03.05.10	Nah I'm right. What other possible reason would you have to be a Juggalo?
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	@intothepit83 Pretty much this. You can be a gang member and not kill people, you can belong to a book club and not read. I call myself a Juggalo because it's family. I stay far away from a lot of the stupid shit that they do, I'm not big on partying or drinking, I'm more of a kickback person. Being a Juggalo doesn't mean you have to get involved in shit you don't want to. It's more about being connected to people you care for. Some do go a little overboard and even I think some Juggalos are disgusting.
PirateSquid 03.05.10	"5-7 times a month but I use that for more recreational purposes. (working late, need to clean my house, homework ect)." E is a good idea when working or doing homework? So yeah, ICP is cool for being a couple of white trash homophobic sell out shits who started a cult of pure douchebags and dickheads.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	No I didn't post on Coheeds Myspace but I should tell them that their new songs suck.
intothepit83 03.05.10	But see, that's like saying your Straight Edge, but you drink because you don't think it's that bad. Why label yourself a Juggalo if you don't believe in all of the ideals that come with it? With stuff like that, you can't just take some and leave the rest
intothepit83 03.05.10	And no, you cannot be a gang member and not kill people. One of the things 99.9% of gangs make you do is kill someone just to get in
MUNGOLOID 03.05.10	@intothepit83 you don't have to kill someone to get in a gang. usually they jump you if you want to be a part of it.
Prophet178 03.05.10	I really want to know you reason for becoming a Juggalo in the first place.
intothepit83 03.05.10	mungoloid- from what i've read and from hearing others experience, you aren't truly a crip, blood, magic city gun, or latin king until you take out your own enemy.
MUNGOLOID 03.05.10	rules might have been changed because i know people who are in gangs and they tell me that in order for them to join, they would have to let gang members jump them. i saw it on tv, i think it was "Gangland" on the History channel.
Satellite 03.05.10	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkC7dcxZ5_Q HOW has nobody posted this yet?
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	@intothepit You haven't been around to many gang members have you? Most of them are full of shit. @Prophet178 Idk, most people wouldn't even suspect me of being a Juggalo unless I wore some merch. I guess somethings you just don't understand until you're there ya know. A few years ago I would have never thought I would have associated with people like them but they took me in and I'm glad they helped me cause they turned out to be really chill people.
intothepit83 03.05.10	Mungoloid- yea, i watch that show a lot as well. i'm just givin examples of what I see down where I live. I know if you want to be a Crip or a Magic City Gun, you have to get rid of your enemy or one of the gang's to be allowed to "join"
intothepit83 03.05.10	Delerium- please do not make that assumption. i have been around plenty. i just chose not associate with them due to the fact that i wanted nothing to do with the bullshit they create and deal with.
MUNGOLOID 03.05.10	yeah delirium i used to be friend with those one dude who claimed King. he was so dedicated to his gang (even though he wasn't officially a member yet, mind you) that he took a bat and ended up beating the living shit out of a dude from another gang.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	and to be clear me and the clique of Juggalos I hang out with aren't really a gang. We don't steal or shit like that, we mostly like to get high and chill out all day. @intothepit83 A smart decision, I had to figure out the hard way and I lost a lot because of it. A complete waste of time fur shur.
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	@MUNGLOID Yeah that's not what me or any of my friends are about at all. Sure we'll be more than willing to fight if we have to but we don't practice reckless violence, that's a pretty big misconception.
intothepit83 03.05.10	delerium- i feel you, dude. i grew up in foster care from age 3-18, and most of these places were in trailer parks and not-so-great areas around miami-dade and broward county. most of the people i knew had to make a choice of either going to school or joining a gang because they had to. they said they had no other choice. me, i just chose not to deal with it. i had problems in every other facet of my life back then, why would i want to join something that would create more problems?
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	Right on. Me and my blood family we're rich up until I got into 6th grade and we got fucked over hard. Then we moved to various houses then to trailers cause they were cheaper. I first joined a gang when I was 15, I got locked up, lost my friends and my family despised me for it. I've got caught up in a lot of stupid shit. For about a year now I've been doing fine. Getting my shit together, going to school and working but I still have fun. I grew up around some ghetto shit but I've learned a lot from it and things are working out for me. I like to balance my life. If I want to smoke and shit fine I just have to work for it and be responsible. That's kinda the principle I work off of.
Bullitt 03.05.10	Hell ya! This thread is awesome!
DeleriumTrigger 03.05.10	@SeaAnemone I didn't mean to ignore you I was just doing a lot at once but I will attempt to answer your questions as best as I can. For many being a juggalo isn't really about the music or Icp. I enjoy Icp occasionally but I don't obsess like some. My life isn't based around being a juggalo and neither is anyone else I know. I'm not a violent person at all, I love animals, I help out those I can and as often as I can I try to do the right thing as much as possible. It's mainly our struggles that have made us closer. It's nice to know I'm not the only one who's been through terrible experiences. I've lost a lot of everything, friends, family, lovers all over a bit of bad luck and my own selfish mistakes. They were there for me when no one else knew I existed. They ask me to come over and hang out nearly everyday. They make me feel like I'm not alone, they accept me for who I am. They even ask me to stay and chill longer. We'll all sit up for hours, sober even, just drawing and talking shit. I even threw on Hymn to the 'Immortal Wind' all day a few days ago. We just chilled and talked, smoked dirt weed all day. I feel at home with them. With them I can forget my problems because we can forget together. They keep me sane even, with them I don't feel alone and sometimes I even feel loved. So I guess that's why.
PirateSquid 03.05.10	So I suppose it's similar to some religious people. It doesn't make sense, and the people are dumb, but it can be used as a crutch to be helped when in need or desperate.
Phantom 03.05.10	I wish this was "The Juggler's Handbook" cause I really wanna learn
porch 03.05.10	...
Countess 03.06.10	haven't been on here long so I can safely say this is the best thread I've EVER seen here!
JulesWin 03.06.10	all hail the king of trolls! he did it to you again sputnikers and like always, you took the bait. credit to the ONE guy who figured it out
DeleriumTrigger 03.06.10	God Jules I love it when you stop by :) This was a fun one though cause I'm actually a Juggalo and this is all real shit that's happened. mmfwcl ( :
theacademy 03.06.10	"credit that one guy" (me) jugga jugga.
Satellite 03.06.10	Using purportedly true info from an alt =/= trolling. You were much more of an overt douche as Killer9.
DeleriumTrigger 03.06.10	I think my trolling days are coming to an end though. I'm throwing in the towel if you will. I feel much better now.
JulesWin 03.06.10	@ academy I was actually referring to Mrglueypoopporch-ular
theacademy 03.06.10	lies. we always return to our darker tendencies. we never truly go away.
JulesWin 03.06.10	"we never truly go away" WE? so do you count yourself among the troll ranks?
DeleriumTrigger 03.06.10	"Among the troll ranks" I like that it makes me feel like one of those sword weilding aliens on Halo2.
JulesWin 03.06.10	lol part of an elite group: the troll army!
DeleriumTrigger 03.06.10	lol now I will battle Qwe for supreme domination!!!!!!!
Brokenjewel 03.06.10	This is so epic. Keep it going guys.
Ire 03.10.10	that's awesome, i want to be a juggalo where do i apply and how?
DeleriumTrigger 03.10.10	any trailer park/low income are are in the beautiful region of So*Cal.
Ire 03.10.10	oh i have to listen to icp? idk
DeleriumTrigger 03.10.10	fake it
Urinetrouble 07.15.10	insert obligatory "fuckin' magnets, how do they work?" comment here___
Foxhound 07.20.10	i remember when i did this shit was hilarious
Counterfeit 08.11.10	forgot about this. lol
Foxhound 08.12.10	nice to see you remembered though =)
Ire 08.12.10	*delirium
Dryden 08.12.10	looool
Foxhound 08.18.10	i was on drugs
Counterfeit 08.18.10	too awesome.
Gmork89 08.18.10	You forgot to add the chapter about maiming women.
theacademy 08.18.10	no seriously, this was one of the most well-crafted troll lists of all time.
EuphoricDysphoria81 08.18.10	I just spent the last twenty minutes reading through most of these comments. This is hilarious!
theacademy 08.18.10	ctrl+F academy i put SeaEric and PitBoss in their respective places... ahhh to be young and bored.
Gmork89 08.18.10	I remember when this happened, it was chaos.
SeaAnemone 08.18.10	hahaha holy shit this is awesome, good find guys, but there's no way I'm going through the pain of reading what stupid shit I/pit may have posted here
theacademy 08.18.10	this is like a high school yearbook from college.
Gmork89 08.18.10	I don't even remember writing half of those things as Bullitt haha.
Apollo 08.18.10	Foxhound is a bomb motherfucker. So many people took this seriously.
Counterfeit 08.18.10	I think he Rique too. maybe
BigHans 08.18.10	This was some epic trolling.
theacademy 08.18.10	this was way back before me and pit were on friendly terms. wow some of this was br00tal.
Foxhound 08.18.10	remember that Radiohead review I wrote too... lol
porch 08.18.10	'I don't even remember writing half of those things as Bullitt haha.' it's probably your brains coping mechanism for dealing with how dumb you were on that account
Foxhound 08.18.10	i need to grammer edit this
porch 08.18.10	nah leave it intact this is like the dead sea scrolls
Counterfeit 08.18.10	no mr. juggalo. leave it the way it is. its perfect.
theacademy 08.18.10	"Grammer edit"??? http://www.askmen.com/galleries/men/kelsey-grammer/picture-1.html
Foxhound 10.07.10	better than a Sea list
Counterfeit 10.07.10	Much better
Foxhound 10.07.10	I still visit this trailer park sometimes. My g ma still lives there, a lot less tweakers though.
Counterfeit 10.07.10	cuz i beat em all with sticks
Obfuscation24 10.07.10	ive never understood if this is serious or not
Foxhound 10.07.10	Yeah. It's about when I used to tweak and live in a trailer park. Turned into an awesome thread though, a frame of my life saved in a list.