MetalFaceDoom: Rap =crap Without A C

thebhoy 01.13.10	list generally redeems list title. I thought this was going to be a real "rap sucks" list.
Inveigh 01.13.10	1, 2, 5, 9 = happy Inveigh
Thor 01.13.10	CENTURIES OF BLOOD, BECOMES ERASED I AM THE WHITE GHOST
Emim 01.13.10	Generally, rap = crap However, hip hop = good
SlightlyEpic 01.13.10	wait what is the difference between rap and hip hip somebody educate me
Emim 01.13.10	From what I've been told, rap is money, cars and women. Hip Hop has more mature themes.
Inveigh 01.13.10	Mr. Epic: depends on who you talk to, because people have different opinions on it. I've always been of the school of thought that lyrical content makes them different. Rap is technically a sub-genre of hip-hop; with lyrics that revolve more around gangs, violence, money, extravagance and street life. Hip-hop (while not necessarily avoiding those subjects) is concerned more with urban culture, personal conflict and often is more socially/politically conscious. Of course, an emcee or group can be both (like Wu-Tang Clan or Nas). To me, examples of rap would be: 2pac Bone, Thugz 'N Harmony Obie Trice Dr. Dre Notorious B.I.G. stuff like that. Hip-hop would be: KRS-One Atmosphere Brand Nubian De La Soul Gang Starr P.O.S./Doomtree Aesop Rock Sole and the Skyrider Band A Tribe Called Quest does that make sense?
Phantom 01.13.10	IN RAP THE C IS SILENT HURHURHURHURHUR
Emim 01.13.10	HURHURHURHURwait that isn't funny.
Sepstrup 01.13.10	Rap is hiphop with vocals.
Skimaskcheck 01.13.10	Euch, rap is just missing one letter. c. rapc? ... Crap you idiot. you put the c on the other end oic Though you could also say it's missing an e wtf is erap?
Inveigh 01.13.10	"rap is hip hop with vocals" um, what? that doesn't even make sense..
Skimaskcheck 01.13.10	ohhh sputnik deletes stuff in '' but basically my above comment was a quote between two people on bash.org
Skimaskcheck 01.13.10	UGH, i mean the symbol for greater and less than... nevermind.
ninjuice 01.13.10	rap and hip hop are the same thing.
Deviant. 01.13.10	They're different.
ninjuice 01.13.10	Only if we're talking about rap as a vocal style.
Deviant. 01.13.10	Well that's what Rap is
Fuff24 01.13.10	I was like "douche" till I saw ghostface. then I was like "ironic bastid"
cirq 01.13.10	album covers for 14+15=yummm
Carnifex 01.13.10	yeeeeeeeeeeeee
alachlahol 01.13.10	hip-hop is a battle with oneself rap is a battle with others
Sepstrup 01.13.10	Inveigh, try reading it again. I assure you, it does.
illmitch 01.13.10	rap and hip hop are the same thing if you think otherwise youre a moron
robertsona 01.13.10	most hiphop is rap just about all rap is hiphop but there are some exceptions i mean j dilla is hiphop and shit rap is something you do and also "makes" a genre itself kinda, hiphop is just the genre
Electric City 01.13.10	it's called and then nothing turned itself inside out i believe
Inveigh 01.13.10	I like rap and hip hop and don't care what people think. It's not like saying hybrids aren't cars, it's like saying deathcore is different than death metal. You're telling me P.O.S. and Soulja Boy are the same genre of music? lol
JulesWin 01.14.10	rap=hip hop people who think they're "elite" say they only like hip hop "You're telling me P.O.S. and Soulja Boy are the same genre of music?" just cuz one sucks and one is good doesn't mean they're different genres
ninjuice 01.14.10	"it's like saying deathcore is different than death metal." Umm...it is.
Fuff24 01.14.10	you tell em resident death metal elitist
JulesWin 01.14.10	"you tell em resident death metal elitist" exactly, it's jsut a distinction that people who think they're elite make
couldwinarabbit 01.14.10	Did anyone else find that Matthew Good Vancouver kinda sucked compared to avalanche and hospital music?
Inveigh 01.14.10	ninjuice you completely misinterpreted what I was saying. Iai said that saying rap and hip hop are different is like saying hybrids aren't cars. I said that saying rap and hip hop are different is like saying deathcore and deathmetal are different. and I don't think I'm elite, that's pretty laughable. I even said that I like both rap and hip hop. I also stated in my first comment that people have different OPINIONS on this and that was mine. Anyways, I'm not sure who all you guys are that think you're the absolute source on what rap and hip hop are, but I've been involved in the Chicago hip hop scene for 5 years and if you said this kind of stuff to any emcee, DJ or producer that I know you would be laughed at. They'd probably also laugh at you for liking Gucci Maine.
JulesWin 01.14.10	"I even said that I like both rap and hip hop" yeah cuz it's the SAME thing! who's Gucci Maine btw?
Inveigh 01.14.10	Gucci Maine is a terrible rapper that illmitch likes haha. Also, to me, they're NOT the same thing which is why I said that. I was responding to someone who said that people who only "like hip hop" are doing that because they're too elitist to say they like rap -- I say I like both so I can't see how that makes sense, I mean maybe for some people, but those people would just be idiots. Saying that hip hop and rap are the same thing is a pretty naive comment to make (no offense). Are all you people from the suburbs or some shit? How does this not make sense to you?
illmitch 01.14.10	gucci mane is a dope southern rapper except since he prefers finding inventive ways to describe the color of his jewelry, clothing, cars, and drugs instead of rapping about black liberation or whatever people on here dont like him
Inveigh 01.14.10	http://vodpod.com/watch/1282055-gucci-mane-punches-a-girl-in-the-face-on-video lol, that gets me every time. I don't personally like rap like Guccie Mane, but he's probably one of the better in the style -- I was just fucking with you illmitch bc I know you like him. also lol at chan's comment. And no, most of the hip hop I like isn't about black liberation haha, but I do dig some Mos Def and Common from time to time.
illmitch 01.14.10	i see hip hop as the umbrella genre. stuff like atmosphere, POS, mos def i would describe as "conscious rap" or "alternative rap". on the other end you have gangsta rap, which could be the early-90s stuff like Kool G Rap or early Wu-Tang, or it could be southern stuff like Gucci Mane. alternative rap often shares sonic similarities with east coast gangsta rap - they both tend to be based around samples and often emphasize traditional lyricism. southern rap tends to emphasize the producer composing original music and sometimes de-emphasizes the "storytelling" aspect of rap, instead geared toward punchlines and wordplay.
Inveigh 01.14.10	after re-reading my comments, I should probably make this a little more clear. In my opinion, it's like hip hop and rap can sometimes be used interchangeably but not all the time. Usually in the form that you can always say hip hop is rap but you can't always say rap is hip hop.. For intance, you would never call an emcee/group "gangster hip hop" or "club hip hop" -- that would be a little ridiculous. But you could interchange indie hip hop for indie rap. To me, UGK would be underground rap, whereas Atmosphere would be underground hip hop. I mean, they sound so drastically different that it would be weird to say they were the same genre, right?
JulesWin 01.14.10	@Inveigh dude, you are the epitome of elite, assuming people like Gucci Mane and flashing your credentials: "I've been involved in the Chicago hip hop scene for 5 years and if you said this kind of stuff to any emcee, DJ or producer that I know you would be laughed at"
Inveigh 01.14.10	I typed my last comment before reading yours illmitch, but I basically agree with everything you said there. Like, to me, you could call Wu-Tang gangster rap or you could just call them hip hop. I agree that hip hop is mostly the umbrella term, but there are instances when one term (rap or hip hop) is vastly more accurate then the other.
Inveigh 01.14.10	lol at JulesWin, you don't even know me don't pretend like you do. I don't even know what "assuming people like Gucci Mane" means. Was there supposed to be more to that? And did you read all of my comments or just that one? I'm pretty sure I gave props to Gucci Mane...
JulesWin 01.14.10	you said "They'd probably also laugh at you for liking Gucci Maine" like you're so much better than someone who likes him, that's what I meant "if you said this kind of stuff to any emcee, DJ or producer that I know you would be laughed at" listen to yourself, oh! the people that YOU know. gimme a break!
MetalFaceDoom 01.14.10	lulz damn sputnik nerds ruined my list with all this e-fightin who really cares if rap is different or the same then hip hop. its all good music my brahs
JulesWin 01.14.10	@ MetalFaceDoom It's just that certain people(Inveigh) come in here acting like they know so much and are so much better than everyonee else
Inveigh 01.14.10	dude, really? if you knew me at all, you would know I don't think I'm better than anyone. If you read my comments, you would know that I only said that about Gucci to mess with illmitch, because he's always reppin' him. And to be fair, my original comment wasn't a shot at anybody, I was just responding to SlightlyEpic's question and clearly stated that it was MY opinion and that others may have different thoughts on it. However, then comments like this started: "rap and hip hop are the same thing if you think otherwise youre a moron" "people who think they're "elite" say they only like hip hop" "exactly, it's jsut a distinction that people who think they're elite make" so, actually it was YOU who came on here and acted like you knew more than anyone else and had the only correct opinion. I was just responding to your ignorant comments. Just thought I'd point that out.
kitsch 01.14.10	hahahahahahahahahahaha u are an idiot on 11 wtf thats not the album
qwe3 01.14.10	rap and hip hop are essentially the same fucking thing. rap is the style of vocal delivery found in basically all hip hop
JulesWin 01.14.10	@ Inveigh I'm not gonna attack you for your opinions, just that the way you present them makes them sound like facts more than opinions. I couldn't give a fuck about your "involvement" in the Chicago hip hop scene or the emcees/djs/producers that YOU know
erasedcitizen 01.14.10	When people say hip-hop is dead, at least the smart ones, they're talking about the culture that rap music was a part of. Hip-hop is gone, there is no reason to use it in a sentence anymore.
Inveigh 01.14.10	"depends on who you talk to, because people have different opinions on it. I've always been of the school of thought that lyrical content makes them different." ^what I said. "rap=hip hop people who think they're "elite" say they only like hip hop it's jsut a distinction that people who think they're elite make" ^what you said before I said anything else. I'm pretty sure that counts as attacking someone's opinion. I'll admit that my involvement with music has no relevance to this discussion, and I probably could've gotten my point across in a better way -- I was a little too influenced by the amount of blatant arrogance already on the thread. But saying that only elitists think hip hop is different than rap is presenting your opinion like it is absolute fact -- which doesn't really make you look too smart. Again, you're right, I shouldn't have brought up anything that I've done with music before because it didn't have anything to do with this, but you're the one presenting your opinions like they're facts and attacking others for theirs.
JulesWin 01.14.10	you bringing up you're music involvement is what I didn't understand and this is the perfect example of "blatant arrogance": " if you said this kind of stuff to any emcee, DJ or producer that I know you would be laughed at. They'd probably also laugh at you for liking Gucci Maine" who are these people? are they some kind of authority on music? just present your opinion and don't imply that it's right because people that you know agree with you.
NigelH 01.14.10	Soulja Boy off in a ho. Wa me crank and wa me ro.
Inveigh 01.14.10	dude, I admitted you were right about that and that it doesn't matter what actual hip hop musicians think about this issue in regards to its accuracy. You're still ignoring the majority of what I just said. You're telling me to present my opinion, which I did in my first comment; to which your rebuttal was "only elitists think hip hop and rap are the same." Why not present your opinion with some reasoning behind it rather than just say that's what "elitists" think. You act like I attacked your opinion first! At least I told you WHY I thought hip hop and rap were different and didn't start out by just saying "only suburban kids think hip hop and rap are the same."
JulesWin 01.14.10	ok you seem like a nice enough dude so let's just agree to disagree my quote was: "people who think they're "elite" say they only like hip hop" wasn't specifically referring to you even though I did quote you in that same comment. you seemed very arrogant in that comment that I already mentioned, you admitted it was irrelevant so lets leave it at that cool?
Inveigh 01.14.10	sounds good man. at least this didn't really regress into the typical "suck a dick" "you're a faggot" stuff that usually happens.
JulesWin 01.14.10	we were probably a couple of comments away from that right? ok cool. we have similar taste in rap/hip hop I need to rate more shit though
illmitch 01.14.10	suck a dick you're a faggot
GenNarain 01.14.10	Arghoslent lyrics? Nice one Thor.
Emim 01.14.10	Now... Who likes Nu Metal?
Fuff24 01.15.10	Fred durst. That is all
GnarlyShillelagh 01.15.10	Get a room
WooHa 02.27.10	Ok, the man who made that list has no idea of hip hop! Jesus Christ, is Ghostface crap??! Guilty Simpson??MF Doom?? Go fuck urself my nigga
Emim 02.27.10	Woo ha!
thebhoy 02.27.10	WooHa taking everything on the internet literally and not actually reading and comprehending FTW
illmitch 02.28.10	hes foreign give him a break
jesusjuice1179 02.28.10	ugh...how cliche, a foreign person who listens to rap/hip-hop
JulesWin 02.28.10	"a foreign person who listens to rap/hip-hop" just like ALL the rest of 'em
WooHa 02.28.10	Whats ur problem with foreign people listening to hip hop? Im sorry if my english are bad but i can 100% understand whatever u r saying.Also, im able to understand a rap song. If i wouldnt understand, i wouldnt listen. So sipmle
WooHa 02.28.10	*couldnt understand
TMobotron 02.28.10	Whoa wait. I read most of these comments (wish I hadn't). The only defining of either rap or hip-hop was to say hip-hop was an umbrella term and then the different genres of rap were defined. No. That doesn't differentiate at all. I honestly am interested in what the difference is. Can someone just define what they think hip-hop is, define what they think rap is, and explain where they are different?
WooHa 02.28.10	Rap is a part of hip hop. Hip hop is consisted of rap, djing, graffiti and breakdance.