budgie: what the fuck is going on in america

budgie 03.20.25	what even the fuckness
Futures 03.20.25	march madness
BMDrummer 03.20.25	what the soviet union couldn’t accomplish in all its years
budgie 03.20.25	i dont think gorbachev would have wanted this lmao
BMDrummer 03.20.25	nah but maybe brezhnev lol
Wildcardbitchesss 03.20.25	what fucked up shit did I miss because of March madness lmao
bellovddd 03.20.25	well trump is president so theres that.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.20.25	Oh I sure didn’t miss that
Snake. 03.20.25	one list per day
Sharenge 03.20.25	wee-woo-wee-woo you is under arrest
LilLioness 03.20.25	The guys in charge are trying to turn the country into a theocracy, one shitty decision at a time.
Egarran 03.20.25	The logical progression mixed with dark sorcery.
budgie 03.20.25	i love dark sorcery normally
pizzamachine 03.20.25	It’s Trump’s fault. Trump started it
ArsMoriendi 03.21.25	We're finally becoming the christo-fascist oligarchy Reagan hoped for
Asdfp277 03.21.25	trump doing what he wants and his cultists let him
TheSupernatural 03.21.25	Late, late, late stage capitalism
Hyperion1001 03.21.25	idk man everything feels simultaneously like an overreaction and an underreaction.
Kusangii 03.21.25	Most entertaining country on earth agreed
BallsToTheWall 03.21.25	Too many crazy unmedicated assholes with substance issues running amok. We need to put them down.
DaveyMonsoon 03.21.25	It's not entertaining if you're living in that same country.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.21.25	“ Late, late, late stage capitalism” is Trump an accelerationist?
BallsToTheWall 03.21.25	It was a simpler time when Jersey Shore was all the rage.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.21.25	you guys ever just pop a couple of klonopin and realize “oh this is how im supposed to feel”
budgie 03.21.25	can we stop blaming this on capitalism capitalism has major faults but this isnt capitalism, it's a shitty culture that breeds people to hate their neighbor
Wildcardbitchesss 03.21.25	not having this constant dull ache in my chest and a malfunctioning brain that won’t shut the fuck up
Wildcardbitchesss 03.21.25	I mean those traits are inherently capitalist. Rugged individualism and all that
unclereich 03.21.25	Trump and tariffs are antithetical to capitalism
Gyromania 03.21.25	what's going on in america? you referring to the arsonists setting all those cars on fire?
BAT 03.21.25	they're not cars they're trucks
zaruyache 03.21.25	what'd they do with the department of ed idgaf atm to check
metalphil 03.21.25	I see CKY is mentioned so I've got to recommend everyone listen to Deron Miller's dm project World Under Blood
Gyromania 03.21.25	"they're not cars they're trucks" same difference, but yes, they are ugly
budgie 03.21.25	thanks metalphil i never knew about this. mega thanks
budgie 03.21.25	oh no its so generic :(
Kusangii 03.21.25	@Davey but it is if you don't ;)
metalphil 03.21.25	To me it always just sounded like a melodic death metal version of CKY which I can totally go for sometimes. Into the Arms of Cruelty and Under the Autumn Low are probably the highlights for me
DANcore 03.21.25	Basically the Cold War never ended and Russia is breaking us down from the inside out
MillionDead 03.21.25	All of this has actually been incredibly on brand for America, let’s be real.
Gyromania 03.21.25	i'm just happy i haven't see any "fiery but mostly peaceful protests" bs from the media about this so far
efp123 03.21.25	We need another political thread! Thanks budget :-*
budgie 03.21.25	no probs homie
WatchItExplode 03.21.25	Mean the same thing that was forecasted for basically the last decade... But anyway, flesh into gear is still a banger
budgie 03.21.25	hell yeah it is!
Muzz79 03.21.25	ik ik
twlight 03.21.25	And wtf just happened at Heathrow bro? Obviously not US but some weird shit is happening. And 2025 hates airplanes
Durrzo 03.21.25	America accelerating into fascism and Gyro is worried about Tesla vandalism.
Futures 03.21.25	fuck, mx hook up with an unsubscribe here thanks big dog
EmoQueen19 03.21.25	Necrocapitalism incoming
Dedes 03.21.25	What the fuck is necrocapitalism Sounds like an upgrade
twlight 03.21.25	A lot of countries are now leaning right. Just look what is happening in Germany currently. And Canada looks like they will elect a right leaning party leader next
twlight 03.21.25	“it's a shitty culture that breeds people to hate their neighbor“ Good point and huge problem in America. But was partly stemmed from our capitalist economy. America is extremely divided. Although I think the majority want most of the same things: Reasonable prices for goods, the ability to buy a fucking house, the opportunity to raise a family if you want. These things are quickly becoming unobtainable. I’ve never been a big trump fan. He lives in an alternate reality. And his followers who make 30k a year thinking he has thier best interests in mind are lost. It’s also a product of a dissolved two-party system that no longer works. The Dems are scrambling and digging a deeper grave by the day. A new party needs to arise
Arked 03.21.25	Extreme polarization and social conflict along false division lines ("cultural war") takes its toll. It's a product of social engineering. The worst thing is it's not only the work of foreign intelligence services (Russia, China) but also doing of enemy from withing which are big capital and corporations, whose goals are detached from national interest. And yes it's happening to some degree in all western countries. The push to break European Union up is crazy too.
NudeTayne 03.21.25	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKC21wDarBo this is necrocapitalism
twlight 03.21.25	I agree with you The more divided the people are, the better the oligarchs do We now have a text book narcissist running the country, Trump And an autistic power hungry person trying to “fix” the government by thinning it out, Elon And we have extremists on both sides. I’m not going to sit here and say that burning down Tesla factories is the answer. But realistically, Elon did do a nazi salute. Be smarter than that Elon. He fucking did it. So did Steve banon If they don’t want to be labeled bazis. Then don’t fucking do the salute
NudeTayne 03.21.25	nah burning down Tesla factories seems pretty okay since the government is just straight up ruining human lives
twlight 03.21.25	Whose lives? Serious question.
NudeTayne 03.21.25	government officials, immigrants, farmers, just off the top of my head
twlight 03.21.25	As devils advocate, I think the government IS too big. I don’t think the way trump and musk are doing it is correct. But it’s sort of ironic that old anarchists and good punks that were anti gov - are now up in arms because the gov is being dismantled
Arked 03.21.25	The extremism and "terrorism" are just product of desperation when there is great disproportion of power and weaker side of the conflict is desperate.
twlight 03.21.25	I personally don’t think the attacks on Tesla are “terrorism” They are a protest. No person was hurt. And I really hope no person is hurt
NudeTayne 03.21.25	"weaker side of the conflict is desperate." uhhh yeah that's just a straight up inevitability my dude, doesn't matter what side it is, revolts have been happening in this country and others since forever. this country has been long overdue for one imo.
twlight 03.21.25	The second a bat shit person hurts someone in a Tesla. That’s fucked up Most tesla owners bought the vehicle before Elon went awol and went with trump. Surely people are smarter but apparently not. It’s fucking lame. Don’t vandalize shit
Arked 03.21.25	Yeah, I don't think it's "terrorism" as weel. Hence quotation marks. It's just good, ol' vandalism as a form of protest.
twlight 03.21.25	I’m not going to advocate for anything. But CURRENT Tesla owners… who fucking cares. They bought that vehicle years ago. It would be stupid to vandalize it. Yet people are.
NudeTayne 03.21.25	I remember when Trump heavily campaigned against the electric takeover of the auto industry and now he's giving free advertising to the tism's electric car company
Inveigh 03.21.25	This is actually one of the more thoughtful and respectful threads I've seen on the matter, on sputnikmusic of all places. Well done fellas, I guess?
twlight 03.21.25	Get off x. Sell Tesla stock. Don’t engage with elons bullshit. That’s how we start. A mass exodus from X would be a great place to start
twlight 03.21.25	And hey sput has always been a place to talk.
NudeTayne 03.21.25	JD Vance also used to be an avid Trump denier and even went so far as to suggest he'd vote for third party on Trump's second term campaign and now dude is a fucking meme like what does he even do for the country
twlight 03.21.25	So did Tulsi. And Kennedy. They’re all power hungry. I kinda like that things are being tossed up. It makes way for a new generation to rise.
twlight 03.21.25	Trump is clueless. He campaigned saying he would have the Russia/ukraine war ended in one day… where are we He also said the same about the Israel/Palestine conflict “Seize fires” and then they just get worse.
NudeTayne 03.21.25	I think it's more confusing than anything for our next generation. Parents aren't equipped to teach kids about the sheer shitstorm of our political climate on top of their internet addictions
twlight 03.21.25	Right there with you bro. Idk how old you are but I’m early 30s. And I’m scared of MY screen addiction. Not to mention if we would all have a generation of kids Personally I wouldnt let my kid have an iPhone until 14 y/o They can have a flip phone I will not be the dude with a toddler on an iPad at dinner
NudeTayne 03.21.25	I'm in my mid 30's and my niece and nephews are 14 and addicted to their phones, even at the dinner table. The moment the food is scarfed down they're doing some shit with their phones. I don't have a ton of hope for the next generation to think for themselves.
Egarran 03.21.25	No American authority is going to give people the education they need to overthrow them.
twlight 03.21.25	lol that’s so true. Dude we’re just watching. I think it partly is late stage capitalism. I mean look who is the president of the United States. We have barely any power. Protests only go so far. They really make no dent unfortunately. We have to vote. We also need a new progressive party Consumer based and housing based. Focused on lowering prices and reasonable energy. Logical immigration laws. Social programs like health and old folks. Tax the corporations and anyone making more than 1m
NudeTayne 03.21.25	it'll always be crazy to me that anyone can fathom rich government officials and company owners giving a single fleeting fuck about any one of us salt-of-the-earth folk
twlight 03.21.25	Exactly that’s what I really don’t get about MAGA. They are electing an absolute billionaire. That has never one day walked in your shoes Fucking go for it dude. Good fucking luck.
Demon of the Fall 03.21.25	"A mass exodus from X would be a great place to start" yeah, this should already have happened. I quit the moment I started receiving a barrage of unsolicited "sponsored" videos supporting Musk's agenda. It was so transparent, yet it took far longer than it should for many left-leaning (UK-based, anyway) publications to announce they were removing their presence from the platform
twlight 03.21.25	Good on ya. He says he’s “free speech” but he’s opposite of that… Elon can’t take criticism towards himself while saying he’s pro free speech??… also Spotify we need to boycott together one day. Props to UK bro. I’m American but I have mad respect for uk. Y’all are the truth. And bad ass. Just don’t hate us all please. There are decent Americans that aren’t shit
BallsToTheWall 03.21.25	It’s hard to say how life would’ve gone differently for me had I not been such a menace with social media and substances but I’m excited to close Out the second half Of the 20’s inspired and if I have kids during this stretch I’m definitely going to take a less technological approach. It feels nice to know that I can actually learn from mistakes and gradually repeat them less.
twlight 03.21.25	Balls it wouldn’t be the same without you.
twlight 03.21.25	Learning lessons. Today is a new fucking day. Don’t ever change. Keep evolving.
twlight 03.21.25	We need balls with some of his opinions
BallsToTheWall 03.21.25	Agreed dude. And don’t forget how to love life and the people in it.
twlight 03.21.25	Bruh you’ve been so fuckin cool…. Sput is a total free world.
twlight 03.21.25	But I also like when you’re a bit mean
BaselineOOO 03.21.25	America was artificially sustained by the global elite until they ultimately acknowledged China and Europe as the inevitable future of humanity, an outcome anyone could have foreseen. The US hasn't been truly competitive in decades, and when it was, it owed its success to a once thriving protestant work ethic that has long faded. A civilization cannot endure when all the hard work was done by past generations.
Relinquished 03.21.25	damn right baseline
Snake. 03.21.25	https://theonion.com/grimes-slaps-i-bought-this-before-elon-went-crazy-sticker-on-child/
twlight 03.21.25	Damn baseline based I kinda hate the hate towards America tho. Yes people voted for trump but most Americans aren’t shitty people. They’re people. Europe is so ahead with culture, art, sex, it’s not even comparative to the US. We’re the younger sibling.
Trebor. 03.21.25	All I can think about is that quote from Star Wars about people clapping while Democracy dies or whatever
EmoQueen19 03.21.25	So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause
MillionDead 03.21.25	"it owed its success to a once thriving protestant work ethic that has long faded. A civilization cannot endure when all the hard work was done by past generations" Man, this is complete bs. America was never founded as a Christian nation. All kinds of people are still breaking their backs today, they're often just getting less compensated and more taken advantage of for it. "But it’s sort of ironic that old anarchists and good punks that were anti gov - are now up in arms because the gov is being dismantled" Not even, cause if a system were being dismantled with no alternative, with no checks and balances for the more obvious than ever oligarchical cartel orchestrating the whole thing out of pure self interest, how is that anarchist? The power hasn't changed hands, they're only destroying the infrastructure for the people depending on it while lording over it the same. The wanton and indiscriminate slashing of federal programs only hurts regular people. The whole reason I'm personally an anarchist is because I think hierarchy is inherently subjugative and creates haves and have nots. The hierarchy is only embedding itself deeper under this admin.
budgie 03.21.25	that is some seriously cringey shit baseline
Egarran 03.21.25	The protestant work ethic even made room for organized slavery.
MillionDead 03.21.25	For centuries.
Relinquished 03.21.25	protestant =/= christian
Gyromania 03.22.25	The mental gymnastics one must go through to think these attacks on Tesla cars is just some minor act of vandalism. There’s been over 100 cars torched. If you don’t think coordinated destruction of civilian property via arson is terrorism, I don’t even know what to say.
Dedes 03.22.25	@relinquished Is not Protestantism literally a branch of Christianity I'm no Bible freak but I hope I'm not that unlearned
Gyromania 03.22.25	[insert Tom Hardy “that’s bait” gif]
Asdfp277 03.22.25	whos that
twlight 03.22.25	Im kinda with gyro. Burning teslas is pretty obvious. We get it. Still get your ass thrown in jail as you should. Makes no difference.
twlight 03.22.25	Most people that bought Tesla’s over the past years are liberals. Or environmental conscious. So vandalize them? That’s so dumb
Asdfp277 03.22.25	it's making a huge difference in his stock prices tho, to pretend otherwise is disingenuous
kodama 03.22.25	Answer to OP: America is a oligarchy masquerading as a liberal "democracy". It's going into crisis mode because it can't sustain itself culturally. It can't sustain itself culturally because things are getting worse materially. Americans refuse to accept that things can be better than what America currently is, so they are limited to a choice of the status quo but with lip service towards minorities and other historically marginalized populations (while only really caring about the managerial class) and another option of breaking things because you want to look like you're doing something good, when in reality you're just moving things from public to private hands. Fun game to play: Guess which party is which. The answer is below. Don't look! . . . Trick question. Both parties do these things, the republican party is just far more friendly to fascists like JD Vance and Ron DeSantis, and is appealing to a base that has a media-controlled hate for LGBT, racial minorities, etc etc.
budgie 03.22.25	boston tea party: private individuals destroy some capital owned by the enormous and politically active british east india company with the express intent to reduce the ability of that private firm to influence domestic politics tesla dealership in toulouse: private individuals destroy some capital owned by the enormous and politically active tesla corp with the express intent to reduce the ability of that private firm to influence domestic politics 🤷‍♀️ let's be sober for a moment terrorism is just eye of the beholder shit
Gyromania 03.22.25	What makes Vance a fascist? Million I can't tell if trolling or just morally bankrupt
Asdfp277 03.22.25	participating in a fascist government
Gyromania 03.22.25	LOL budgie that is some false-equivalence nonsense. Trashing a Tesla dealership and setting cars on fire is just people wrecking cars because they hate Musk. Idc how much you dislike Elon, Tesla is not the fucking BEIC. The BEIC had a private army, waged wars, and directly governed entire regions. And "terrorism is just the eye of the beholder" is just a dumb reductionist take on terrorism
Gyromania 03.22.25	Asdfp277 - And what does that fascism look like to you? What are the things the government does that are fascist?
Asdfp277 03.22.25	how cooked does ur brain have to be to think vance is not a fascist
Hyperion1001 03.22.25	let me remind anyone in this thread that if you respond to gyro you’re taking the bait.
Gyromania 03.22.25	Hyperion: try saying something relevant to the discussion, if you have any actual opinions that aren't parroted, I mean.
Hyperion1001 03.22.25	fuck yourself
Gyromania 03.22.25	I so appreciate you, Hyperion. I give you a chance to actually try to say something relevant and engage in a dialogue about this and you immediately baby-rage and tell me to fuck myself. Everywhere I go, you have to inject how much you can't stand me and my opinions, without ever even presenting your opinions or trying to defend them against anything I'm saying. You're so clearly out of your depth in every one of these discussions, the only thing you know for fact is that you hate me, and so you have to act like a petulant child lol.
Asdfp277 03.22.25	debate me bro!
kodama 03.22.25	> And "terrorism is just the eye of the beholder" is just a dumb reductionist take on terrorism this dude 100% uses "terrorist" to discredit people who disagree with him. Gyro. Not even once.
MillionDead 03.22.25	Fuck Elon’s property. It’s just stuff. lmao Since when has kissing rich people’s asses ever been a metric for morality?
Asdfp277 03.22.25	stop, ur terrorizing him !!
kodama 03.22.25	> Since when has kissing rich people’s asses ever been a metric for morality? When the United States media apparatus unilaterally decided that the most evil thing in the world is doing better by workers than by managers and owners. i.e. the cold war.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	how are you defending this lmao
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	Who else thought it was funny when that guys wife got deported and he said that ice needs reform but that he doesn’t regret his vote for Trump. what a fucking cuck
Dedes 03.22.25	They're trying to capitalize on the millions of doge coin they bought It's too late friends It's already fallen
Gyromania 03.22.25	When has the amount of money someone has determined the crime against them? You being mad at them for having more money than you has nothing to do with the discussion. Like... if hypothetically I have enough money to be middle or upper middle class and i buy a car that isn't a broken down pos, and someone sets that on fire, who cares because I'm not poor? That logic, it is shit.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	“When has the amount of money someone has determined the crime against them?” no ethical consumption under capitalism, how much labor exploitation of third world countries should we tolerate, let alone when it happens here? If you’re not literally the 1% and you support Trump you are a certified dumbass sorry gyro I don’t make the rules
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	or musk either fuck him too, fuckin deadbeat billionaire. Has all that power and authority and he’s still just a fucking loser that has to pay people to tolerate his dumb ass
Gyromania 03.22.25	That right there, that's definitely one of the takes of all time.
MillionDead 03.22.25	An utter misrepresentation of my argument. He is actively committing crimes against people with the government behind him, but you’re taking his side because you look up to people in power, no matter how big of a shit stain they are.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	okay what’s your take on it chief? How the only time we see him with a kid at worst, is to use him as a human shield after he finds out rich people are free range, and at best is to just spite Grimes while denying the poor little fucker healthcare There is absolutely no angle that you could take with that man that makes him look good.
Asdfp277 03.22.25	i wonder what do boots taste like to gyro
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	do you like them cooked or raw
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	And btw man I remember you said something about me overreacting about migrants being put in concentration camps… lo and behold. Hate being right
Gyromania 03.22.25	"An utter misrepresentation of my argument. He is actively committing crimes against people with the government behind him, but you’re taking his side because you look up to people in power, no matter how big of a shit stain they are." No, man, I just approach every one of these topics divorced of "this side" or "that side" generalizations, because we're not talking about basketball teams. I don't even give a damn about Trump or Vance, I have disagreed with them plenty of times about policies and their general unprofessional vibe (Donald Trump would have made a better comedian than a president); I just don't understand people who throw around the terms "fascist" and "racist" and so on at them with no examples to apply it to.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	bro there are a million examples what
rockarollacola 03.22.25	all of it
Relinquished 03.22.25	You must’ve been living under a fucking rock gyro remember that racist dogewhistle about the dogs and cats being eaten or remember how he’s deporting people without due process or are you truly ignorant of history and how it can rhyme
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	Mahmoud Khalil was literally fucking kidnapped from his own home for saying mean things about Israel. He is a legal resident. And that’s just one thing from this week. I’m not going to list every single fascistic thing he does because I have shit to do and don’t want to type out a fucking essay
budgie 03.22.25	dogewhistle he he
Asdfp277 03.22.25	i know gyro has an internet connection since he's posting, theoretically he could google 'fascism' so he can figure it out
Gyromania 03.22.25	"How the only time we see him with a kid at worst, is to use him as a human shield after he finds out rich people are free range" Where's your proof of this? Beyond just "I hate this guy," where is any evidence to support that him being present with his kids and doing normal fatherly things like piggybacks is him using his kids as a shield?
Relinquished 03.22.25	hope you’re not that kind of dipshit that spouts bullshit then when pressed on it says “do your own research” gyro
Relinquished 03.22.25	burden of proof arguments are lame dude. it takes seconds to look up how he left his child alone by walking away recently.
Dedes 03.22.25	I think the wildly hyperbolic emphasis on American patriotism has become so vast that the very concept is now dipping into fascist territory as people are expected to have this unquestioned and almost subservient pride and people like JD are the torchbearers of this. That alone pins him to at least being in dangerously close fascist territory
MillionDead 03.22.25	Gyro. Disrespectfully, you’re being stupid. Demonization of immigrants, even LEGAL ones, to deflect blame for systemic failures from themselves and violently deporting them without due process is fucking fascist and racist. Erasing the non-binary gender spectrum for no practical reason other than subjugation of genderqueer people and further igniting culture war is facist. Going after DEI and erasing coverage of the Tuskegee Airmen from the military is racist. This is off the top of my head.
Gyromania 03.22.25	"remember that racist dogewhistle about the dogs and cats being eaten or remember how he’s deporting people without due process" I totally agree, the dogs and cats thing was a cringe fuckup on his part. Elon being a fake gamer is also one of the most cringe things I've seen in recent memory. You people act like I'm in love with these two and think they're incapable of doing wrong. Trump getting baited doesn't mean he's a racist, tho; there are legitimate reasons to be concerned with introducing too many foreigners to a country too quickly. It's too easy to just assume racism and bigotry. Donald Trump doesn't like Wukanda Forever? That's clearly racist of him.
Relinquished 03.22.25	bro what was that last sentence lmfao
Gyromania 03.22.25	"burden of proof arguments are lame dude. it takes seconds to look up how he left his child alone by walking away recently." And this is all you need to conclude that he views his child as a shield? That is wild af to me, Idk
Relinquished 03.22.25	That wasn’t my point to conclude I was giving an example
MillionDead 03.22.25	Dude, what are you doing? He literally calls Venzuelans monsters in press releases and ICE is detaining people with tattoos on his behalf, claiming that the tattoos are indicative of gang ties with no investigation or proof. We’re far far beyond “cringe fuckup” territory. What do you stand to gain by defending these things?
Dedes 03.22.25	"He's a cringe fake gamer" We aren't lambasting his bad Elden Ring build lmao you are really dodging the matter at hand
Gyromania 03.22.25	"That wasn’t my point to conclude I was giving an example" Well, do you have any that are remotely relevant to the accusation against him? Because that wasn't. I don't know why the griping about me asking you to give examples of your claims. If you say someone is 'x' thing, I'm not going to go search dozens of internet forums in the hopes I find reasons to justify YOUR claim, like just elaborate and give examples to back up opinions. I can do my own research from there, but don't act like I'm asking you to write me a fkn thesis or something beyond your regular level of Sputnik engagement
Relinquished 03.22.25	https://www.reddit.com/r/AnythingGoesNews/comments/1iwou8p/elon_musk_walks_off_stage_totally_leaving_and/ start with this
Asdfp277 03.22.25	no amount of evidence is going to work on someone whose opinion is already decided
Gyromania 03.22.25	"We aren't lambasting his bad Elden Ring build lmao you are really dodging the matter at hand" Not referring to ER lol. And what am I dodging? I agreed with those points but said I don't think it proves racism.
Relinquished 03.22.25	yeah for sure. asks for proof but he can’t explain how trump gets “baited”
Asdfp277 03.22.25	"Trump getting baited doesn't mean he's a racist, tho" proof tho?
Gyromania 03.22.25	"no amount of evidence is going to work on someone whose opinion is already decided" Wow... kind of like you, you mean? Also don't know how I feel about you calling a reddit post evidence lol. I'll check the link regardless
CottonSalad 03.22.25	In "This Is America," Childish Gambino's dancing, which includes elements of popular and viral moves, is a deliberate artistic choice to satirize the role of the black man's song and dance routine and expose the dark underbelly of American society. Here's a deeper look at the meaning behind the choreography:
Gyromania 03.22.25	""Trump getting baited doesn't mean he's a racist, tho" proof tho?" Terrible argument and not even remotely close to what I'm doing by asking you to provide examples.
Asdfp277 03.22.25	i didn't post any reddit link
Gyromania 03.22.25	I mean, if Trump said something like "are you surprised that this behaviour is coming from these kinds of people?" or something in relation to the Haitians, then yeah, racist.
Gyromania 03.22.25	"i didn't post any reddit link" i didn't say you did, but you suggested it was evidence. It's a link to another site anyway. I'm reading it, it's very dramatically stated but for sure a fail from Elon. Does it prove he perceive his son as a human shield? No, because that's chimp logic.
Asdfp277 03.22.25	i didn't suggest it
Gyromania 03.22.25	Haha you said it right after Relinquished posted a link, presumably to evidence... Stop trolling jfc
MillionDead 03.22.25	“Trump get baited doesn’t mean he’s racist.” So we’re just ignoring everything I said, gotcha lmao
Gyromania 03.22.25	Myb, Million, I didn't see that comment earlier. "Demonization of immigrants, even LEGAL ones" I'll have to look more into this claim about demonizing legal immigrants. "to deflect blame for systemic failures from themselves and violently deporting them without due process is fucking fascist and racist." Are they deflecting blame? Didn't the Biden administration let in like literally 4 times the number of normal immigrants? At any rate, I agree that the situation is messy as hell and I'm not rly for how fast and forceful it's been. I can understand arguments from both sides on this one. "Erasing the non-binary gender spectrum for no practical reason other than subjugation of genderqueer people and further igniting culture war is facist." Hard for me to comment on this, because I don't think non-binary is a thing, but I'm always bullied for saying that, so. I think the claim that it's fascist is absurd as hell and driven by personal hatred. Do I think fascists exist who are thrilled by this news? Yeah, I'm sure there probably are, but I don't just assume it was done for fascist reasons. "Going after DEI and erasing coverage of the Tuskegee Airmen from the military is racist." DEI is another tricky one, because I understand where both sides are coming from. I don't know much about your second point but I will research it. At any rate, thanks for providing examples
Asdfp277 03.22.25	fascist can do whatever they want and people will deny they're fascist/racist/bigoted as long as they don't say they are fascist/racist/bigoted explicitly
FowlKrietzsche 03.22.25	We're in the cool zone baby
PostmanPat 03.22.25	--peepeepoopoo--
Gyromania 03.22.25	Not everything in life and in politics is driven by some deep-seated hatred for x race or sexuality or gender. I think the problem is people are wont to brand others and reduce their character to black and white. There's no nuance to any discussion, they're just x thing. I said I don't think nonbinary is a real thing (which, ftr, isn't something I would just casually say to someone who identifies as nonbinary, if at all for that matter). It's easy to just call me a bigot, but do I hate nonbinary people? Do I bully and spread hatred towards them? Idk man, we need to stop focusing on branding people. I get that you guys do for the pres and others and it's whatever, but just in general, like that energy and attitude pervades everything these days.
Relinquished 03.22.25	I like how you can’t take a reddit link seriously as if you were some teacher in 2009 against wikipedia at least you’d check the link within, that was the point.
FowlKrietzsche 03.22.25	"Not everything in life and in politics is driven by some deep-seated hatred for x race or sexuality or gender." No unless you're in the Republican party
Dedes 03.22.25	@gyro You're using goofy ass trivial points as a way to reinstate that you as well have disdain for Elon as if it even comes close to the reasonings or actual meaningful level of disdain others here levy towards him. It's very much missing the forests for the trees, albeit I think moreso you're attempting to dodge any potential moral questioning of your own accord
Dedes 03.22.25	Sorry for the delayed response this was still about the gaming point lmao
Asdfp277 03.22.25	this is the internet of course they're sending links. what are people supposed to do, hand u an encyclopedia
Gyromania 03.22.25	Dedes - I honestly don’t know what you want me to even say to that. I concede some points against Elon and now it’s a competition? I don’t dislike him as much as I should? And what moral questioning am I dodging? This basically started with a discussion about the burning of Tesla cars, with people itt coming at it from a position of it not being terrorism (which it absolutely qualifies as) and now we’re talking about whether Elon and Vance and Trump are fascists. The evidence is total shit. It’s just shit. It’s anecdotal to the max. Elon hates his kid because he’s an absent minded dipshit. Trump is a racist because he deported immigrants. It just seems like the objective is to view everything through the most shallow, hateful, reductive lens possible
Relinquished 03.22.25	how are you talking about reductiveness when you’re doing the same thing
Gyromania 03.22.25	Brb watching severance season 2 finale
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	So what part of getting black bagged and sent to god knows where for saying mean things about an apartheid state isn’t fascist?
Relinquished 03.22.25	gotta let this one go dude you can’t convince someone in one day. gyro’s had his unpopular opinions for years
zaruyache 03.22.25	terrorism is not when simple vandalism lol
unclereich 03.22.25	Liberals totaling other liberals cars is hilarious and should be celebrated like when they burned down target. If they really wanted to make a difference they’d take out a few lifted dodge rams with those led headlights
ShadowRemains 03.22.25	i mean if it plummets tesla's stocks, i'm good with it
Egarran 03.22.25	Trump/Musk supporters like to make people angry. Their nonsensical beliefs are designed to infuriate rational people. It is the only way they can feel a sense of power and control. There are no ways to refine arguments to change their mind, so they don't even serve that purpose. The only way is to ignore them, boring as it is.
Gyromania 03.22.25	Sure
Egarran 03.22.25	Making others angry or frustrated gives them a sense of dominance they lack in their social or economic situation.
unclereich 03.22.25	Sage advice honestly. Eg proves as usual he’s wise beyond his years
kodama 03.22.25	> Not everything in life and in politics is driven by some deep-seated hatred for x race or sexuality or gender. All politics is sexual pathology. sniff
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.25	“ So what part of getting black bagged and sent to god knows where for saying mean things about an apartheid state isn’t fascist?”
EmoQueen19 03.22.25	"Making others angry or frustrated gives them a sense of dominance they lack in their social or economic situation." Best statement in this thread tbh
Relinquished 03.22.25	I like how gyro directly answered eg as a supporter
Asdfp277 03.22.25	lol
ShadowRemains 03.23.25	well, the other way they can feel a sense of power and control is if enough people vote for their fuckhead idols…
Egarran 03.23.25	After all, it's a blessing that right wingers always choose the most inane, incompetent and corrupt guys to lead their political crusade.