smaugman
02.20.25 | Discuss |
Hawks
02.20.25 | Men. |
widowslaugh123
02.20.25 | A bunch of people need to get Luigi’d |
veninblazer
02.20.25 | i'm doing everything I can to not fall into panic/doomerism but it's definitely been a... challenge. i feel my faith in humanity slipping but i'm trying to keep myself above water in some way. The news has been toxic, it seems like every other day another story about trans people's rights being slowly stripped or some other dumb shit like changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America or renaming Greenland to Red-White-and-Blueland.
At this point I'm praying for either Andy Beshear to bring a real blue wave or a meteor to strike us all. |
budgie
02.20.25 | its a blessing that the world finally sees america for the shithole country it is, will make it difficult for dumb countries like denmark to continue contracts with lockheed martin instead of eu based firms |
ShadowRemains
02.20.25 | if the us is not careful, they are going to go the direction of russia under putin
absolutely horrendous, incompetent, ill-intentioned people being put as the leaders of key government positions too |
MTObsidian
02.20.25 | It's hard not to get infuriated at the daily stupid shit that is happening here. I don't see how a lot of what's going on is deemed okay, but a lot of people seem to be indifferent and some are even championing it. I want someone to make it make sense but no one can give me good reasons why any of the stuff that's happening is a "good thing"--even the people who voted for it. |
unclereich
02.21.25 | a european from a predominately white country making a list about america? one of reddit's finest im sure |
smaugman
02.21.25 | Yawn… |
ShadowRemains
02.21.25 | cutting waste is not mass firing government employees from agencies that people largely show approval for, nor is it attempting to defund research into deadly diseases, nor is it shipping immigrants to fucking guantanamo bay |
jrlikestodance
02.21.25 | Not feeling great! |
ShadowRemains
02.21.25 | kash patel and tom homan are two dangerous as fuck individuals who should be nowhere near anything amounting to justice/law enforcement |
veninblazer
02.21.25 | i'm trying my best to not let it discourage me and turn me into a defeatist doomer- that's what they WANT, they want me to be huddled up, scared and alone. |
brickhed
02.21.25 | man all i can really do is just ignore what i can and try to move on with my life
everyone's at their throat's politics wise
osama bin laden did not live to see the destruction of the US, but at this rate it seems that it's on the way. |
unclereich
02.21.25 | death to israel agreed |
veninblazer
02.21.25 | i just want to be able to finally receive my gender healthcare but i've been seeing them have plans to cut things like Medicaid and Social Security even... |
DaveyMonsoon
02.21.25 | Was really hoping I wouldn't have to relive four more years of this bullshit, but here we are. It also doesn't bode well for how future elections will go, if we'll even have any at that point if our current administration is to be believed. |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | Trump is a necessity, shaken it all up. We were all sleep walking to disaster. |
Aerisavion
02.21.25 | This year really does feel like it’s shaping up to be something catastrophic. |
KjSwantko
02.21.25 | I like winning and American exceptionalism, so I am happy Trump is making heads roll. I don’t worship him like many do though. |
KjSwantko
02.21.25 | @Aerisavion, agreed. Anybody still not prepping in 2025 - especially if you have a family dependent on you - is crazy delusional. The system is going to come down for many different reasons. |
botb
02.21.25 | Every day I wake up, and before I go to sleep that night I have read at least 3-5 headlines that make me go FUUU |
Aerisavion
02.21.25 | I’m just so sick of this fucking decade man, and we’re only halfway through it.
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Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | My mother is probably gonna get laid off. Even her boss canceled vacation plans and he’s been there 15 years longer. If that happens she’ll have to move to family in either Oregon or Nebraska. If it’s Oregon I might honestly say fuck it and go with her.
Fuck Trump fuck Elon fuck the GOP. Somehow managing to make democrats look appealing. At least they were just fucking useless (aside from genocide, they’re pretty good at that), the GOP is actively making shit worse.
Did anyone see that fucking ASMR video they posted of migrants chained up? I wanted to fucking vomit. Not only are we incredibly inhumane but we like to joke about it too. Fuck all of this shit. |
budgie
02.21.25 | oregon looks cool ill come with u |
Dedes
02.21.25 | I actually don't rightly understand peoples obsession over immigration, it's as if people view them through the lense of being a different species altogether. The processing from both a time, difficulty, and financial perspective to become a US citizen is highly inaccessible and henceforth it becomes really unfair towards people who probably would much rather opt for legal migration. And therein is the term-people. Like, people who love and hate and experience the same spectrum of emotion anyone does. It's kind of gross people just dictate them as intrinsically lesser beings. |
Dedes
02.21.25 | Also lmao at people stroking off Elon like they have anything to benefit from doing so |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | “He has so much money why would he steal from us??”
HOW YA THINK HE GOT ALL THAT MONEY YOU FUCKING MORONS |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | budgie you’re more than welcome, me casa su casa |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | It’s just like, I’m openly a leftist. I do not give a fuck about the border, but even cynically trying to explain to anti immigrant types that the economy will be completely fucked without immigrant labor, they either just straight up don’t understand or try to somehow take the moral high ground “oh so they should be slaves then??” like shut the whole ass fuck up. I had it my way literally everyone would be documented so that these greedy ass companies would be forced to at least pay minimum wage for fucking backbreaking work
Stupid fucking cunts |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | And I’m a straight white passing man, if I’m this afraid literally every woman, poc, or LGBT person should be absolutely fucking terrified. |
Dedes
02.21.25 | It's bizarre cause these takes are even seen in the factories where these people often work.
I'd say roughly 1 in 3 of the people that work at the printing press i'm at are, at the least, temp workers, and what happened when management shifted and they had a brief layoff of all their temp workers? They brought them all back cause they fucked staffing at their warehouses and (probably) because we had two different shifts on two presses now receiving underman pay. AFAIK the pay for temp guys here isn't like, super dogshit since while low it's all untaxed but it's still not fantastic. Idk how these guys are supposed societal detriments. |
metalphil
02.21.25 | Curious if this country will return to something resembling "normal" once Trump eventually passes or if we're too far gone from the pre-Trump era |
ColonelWang
02.21.25 | @metalphil There's a decent chance we're too far gone. Whatever door Trump opened, there are some genuinely evil people that snuck in behind him and are becoming an influential force within MAGA.
People who have been raised off of the alt right/CEO king pipeline have gone from their dark internet corners to having their ideas be a few degrees away from real power. They don't care about the Constitution, democracy, or any of that, and I think a lot of discourse now is having a hard time trying to understand that transformation because the belief in our institutions has been this inherit baseline of political action a majority of the time.
They want to emulate South African styles of apartheid states. Their motivator is violence against the groups they hate, plain and simple. My guess is that they'll be what comes after MAGA and will try to transform the right in their image. They're pretty much trying to already. |
ToSmokMuzyki
02.21.25 | fkn shitfaced |
Deathconscious
02.21.25 | It's now a full blown oligarchy. Elon has bought the presidency. Babybrained gullible bootlickers actually think the billionaires care about them lol. The US is cooked. |
cylinder
02.21.25 | Yeah I’m afraid. Yeah I’m angry. This shit is fucking disgraceful. The same people that usually would’ve argued for the Constitution are now totally down with a complete disregard of it. It’s a new era of stupidity that I can’t believe I’m living through. |
Deathconscious
02.21.25 | "Trump is a necessity, shaken it all up. We were all sleep walking to disaster."
Accelerationism is dumb, nothing good is going to come from this. |
Trebor.
02.21.25 | We are just Russia West now |
Butkuiss
02.21.25 | Not American, but every couple of days I find myself once again utterly perplexed at some of the news coming out of America at the moment. It really does feel like people are living in entirely separate realities these days, and it’s frustrating that the entire world seems to be moving on from rational policy debates as a whole toward something more sinister and asinine. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | I’m a little more optimistic. I think once the fucker dies there will be a power vacuum, one of his dipshit kids will probably try to head the maga movement, that ladder climbing cunt JD Vance will as well, Elon will absolutely make some moves even tho he’s not native, but the far right will lose their figurehead and I can’t think of any of them who are as charismatic as Trump. Say what you want about the man but he knows how to read a room like nobody’s business and he’s just entertaining. I can see why he appeals to the lowest common denominator even when it’s directly against their best interest.
I think when he dies nobody will be able to replace him, and I fucking pray that the democrats grow some brains and balls and run a fucking populist in 2028 instead of CONTINUING TO PANDER PEOPLE THAT WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THEM.
like for fucks sake, yes, I’m a socialist, but I will settle for free healthcare and just letting everyone have a dignified existence.
I think things will get much worse but I do think they will eventually get better. Unfortunately, we’re probably looking at a decade minimum of this bullshit. |
FowlKrietzsche
02.21.25 | Have y'all heard of the Butterfly revolution? |
ShadowRemains
02.21.25 | "I like winning and American exceptionalism, so I am happy Trump is making heads roll."
how is anything that has happened the past month been "american exceptionalism", like what planet are you on? |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | The one where Donald makes an absolute mockery of Christianity, the constitution, laws in general, and the hardcore evangelical law supporting folk love him because he hurts brown people and hugs the American flag.
“Fast forward to the future so then you can face it and see how fucked up it'll be. I promise I’m honest they coming for you the day after they coming for me” |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | The cult of personality wins in America.
It’s all being built for Barron to succeed his dad while you have coke head plutocrats pulling the strings. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | he’ll be too young but I doubt that would stop them.
I don’t see it, I see a Trump Jr run happening tho. But again, dude has no fuckin rizz. He’s a petulant little bitch but not in an entertaining way like his father. Eric is irrelevant and I don’t see Ivanka getting involved again. |
smaugman
02.21.25 | when will you do a revolution |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | Idk it would seem most the 2A folks are down with a tyrannical government |
Ectier
02.21.25 | Wait is there someone in the thread that is okay with the absolute insane bullshit thats happening over in America? |
CugnoBrasso
02.21.25 | I'm not American but this sounds like a good time to remind you guys that I'm NOT reforming the Red Brigades and if you want to be a part of the project DO NOT CONTACT ME since I'm not involved in ANY terrorist activity. I know nothing! |
JerseyJimmy
02.21.25 | ready and lubed for the Chinese Century baby, let's fucking get it |
Demon of the Fall
02.21.25 | "if the us is not careful, they are going to go the direction of russia under putin"
The seeds are being sown it seems. Trump's stance on the war / getting into bed with Putin etc. The U.S. have their own oligarch. Yes he is 'just' the figurehead but Trump and his inner circle are working towards something quite frightening.
When I compared the two's ideals before all this happened it raised an eyebrow with the wife, she (fairly) thought his power was somewhat nullified by the committee approach to government and 'democracy' etc. but the balance appears to be shifting alarmingly in a similar direction.
How did Trump's support of Russia over Ukraine go down in the U.S? You would have thought sympathising with a warmonger and historical 'enemy' of the west would have caused widespread anger and fear. I hope the answer is contrary to, or at least a little more nuanced than 'they successfully shifted blame onto immigrants instead / the average citizen doesn't see Russia as a problem anymore'
P.S. As a Brit I disappear more and more each day for Brexit. Europe were our true political allies, not this fucked up version of the U.S. Hindsight aside it was obvious then, even if this timeline is worse than I could have ever imagined. |
smaugman
02.21.25 | can anyone make a case for that being a republican in this day and age is not synonymous with evil? |
Demon of the Fall
02.21.25 | where are the doom recs in the list btw? I was expectant |
smaugman
02.21.25 | the doom is in u.s. politics |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | After the collapse of the U.S.S.R Russia became the playground for criminals who are in power.
The West has without question been infiltrated while its interests align with a globalist ideal.
The thing is I really have no idea who is manipulating who.
China
Russia
USA
UK
Saudi Arabia
Until Trump bulldozing his way through any political or diplomatic nuance whatsoever has come on the scene it’s blindingly obvious it hasn’t been the party leaders though. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | “ can anyone make a case for that being a republican in this day and age is not synonymous with evil?”
tbf a lot of them are just fucking stupid. It’s kinda like not everyone who voted for Trump is a nazi but every nazi voted for Trump |
botb
02.21.25 | Republicans are ignorant but they aren’t stupid. They just want an old white man with a stern voice who’s literally interpreting the Bible to dictate all our laws |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | There are plenty of people who don’t know dick about politics or the economy and inflation and just saw the guy who was president when they weren’t broke was running again vs the lady who was the veep of the guy that they were broke under.
I truly don’t think misogyny or any of that played a huge role in it, because
1. people that wouldn’t have voted for a black woman probably aren’t voting blue in the first place anyways and
2. even the ones that that wouldn’t, I don’t think there’s enough to swing the election.
Yeah for sure there are a bunch of dumb racists and that makes up the maga crowd, but even in just my workplace, where shocker, my coworkers are pretty aware of my beliefs, some of them were surprised I voted for Kamala. One girl even blamed Biden for the decimation of Roe v Wade because it happened during his presidency.
Your average voter is a fucking idiot but I don’t think as many of them are as malicious as a lot of folks seem to think. Just very very stupid |
NOTINTHEFACE
02.21.25 | Awful. It's a herculean effort every day to focus on small, immediate things that make me happy and not the enormous, seig-heiling elephant in every room and on every corner of every web page. The worst part of it is that this time, I can't credibly blame it on bad election systems or old white dudes. It's literally my next door neighbors who signed us all up for this clusterfuck, knowing exactly what that would entail and who that would hurt. Fuck them all. |
bigweinerdon
02.21.25 | You guys are just lucky you don’t live in Canada. Complete woke shithole.
Gonna be a conservative majority this year likely. |
SomeCallMeTim
02.21.25 | people are shamelessly doing the sieg heil in groups for photos at disneyland now so yeah that's how it's going |
Flugmorph
02.21.25 | i think every US citizen in this thread would much rather live in canada right about now, if not already like 10 years ago for the healthcare. |
SomeCallMeTim
02.21.25 | I've wanted to live in Canada for so long, they certainly don't want me now |
Flugmorph
02.21.25 | as a european im just kinda scared shitless about what might happen around here in the coming 4 years. just feels like we are the playball of other empires right now. yeah for once its us... i know. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | Yeah dude wokeness is what’s really fucking things up, jesus fuckin christ |
Aerisavion
02.21.25 | I wouldn't be surprised if there is a minor exodus from the US throughout the next four years, every American friend I have has basically said "I'm done with this shit." |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | ‘people are shamelessly doing the sieg heil in groups for photos at disneyland now so yeah that's how it's going’
The favourite retreat of the Neo-Nazi. Space Mountain. |
DaveyMonsoon
02.21.25 | If only it was that easy to leave. Nowadays your best chance is having some kind of desirable skill that other countries need, and even then it's not 100% a guarantee. |
gryndstone
02.21.25 | Deluding myself into thinking its okay. Dad died and left me a house with a mortgage 80% paid off. Don't wanna move out of the country if I can keep things stable after that - Feel like I live in a pretty insular 'blue' area. Still keeping an eye out for a genuine 'crossing the rubicon' moment - but worried that my personal one would be too late.
Aside from our veterans, we as a nation have no clue what its like to live through a war. I feel like thats why push back isn't happening now, and I'm worried that if we do get to that point it'll be too late. Why the fuck is our stance as a country 'Ukraine shouldn't have fucked with Russia'??? Why are we letting ELON MUSK gut genuinely important pieces of government, claiming it's to 'reduce government waste' when all the shit he's cut out is hardly a drop in the bucket?? Why are we letting people (Musk, Bannon) pull off NAZI SALUTES (don't pull that 'democrats do it too' shit, theres a difference between a screenshot and a full blown video of a salute) and thinking its FUNNY and EDGY??
I'm worried all this 'trolling the libs' shit is going to turn serious fast. It's all a joke...until it isn't. I know what that's like. I know the thought processes. And I'm holding out hope that protests and the midterms could turn shit around...But I don't know. |
Sinternet
02.21.25 | MODS CLOSE THIS LIST. NOW. |
gryndstone
02.21.25 | I know how good I have it. That's why I'm trying to tell myself it's going to all blow over. It doesn't matter if I'm a faggot. I'll have a house! It'll be fine |
gryndstone
02.21.25 | Sint no I think this is a fun one |
Pon
02.21.25 | "The thing is I really have no idea who is manipulating who."
Yes you do. |
Sinternet
02.21.25 | smallcockdonald out here farming reports hell yeah |
DadKungFu
02.21.25 | Consider ending capitalism and government and instituting consensus based community organization |
ReefaJones
02.21.25 | As a german everything points towards war with russia in a few years. Looking grim |
gryndstone
02.21.25 | easier said to end capitalism then done, unfortunately |
Flugmorph
02.21.25 | as a german... i might just move to japan soon :DDDDDDDDDDD |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | I agree Reef.
I think we are all in for an almighty shock that will be a true ‘great reset’ |
jrlikestodance
02.21.25 | bigweinerdon should turn the TV/computer screen off lmfao |
FowlKrietzsche
02.21.25 | “Importing Africans at an unprecedented pace”
1850-type opinion |
bigweinerdon
02.21.25 | Buddy you can see it everywhere you go lol |
FowlKrietzsche
02.21.25 | No I can’t actually because I’m not racist. Still, I’ll indulge you. Where are you most disturbed to see minorities you freak? |
jrlikestodance
02.21.25 | Sounds like short-sighted projection to me. I don't typically agree w budgie but he makes a good point about how people are seeing America for the shit hole it really is. The focus on stuff like immigration is serving as a distraction from how much the government is fuckin people over. I'm of the belief both sides are bad to varying degrees and we don't really have a good option politically. |
bigweinerdon
02.21.25 | Lol visit Brampton sometime bud. Big shithole |
Asdfp277
02.21.25 | what a shitshow it's been in the u.s. as of late, wishing you all gringos the best :[ |
FowlKrietzsche
02.21.25 | Oh you’re a Canadian racist??? Even funnier tbh |
Asdfp277
02.21.25 | apparently we even got them loonies openly out here in sputnik too! |
Christbait
02.21.25 | We have one side who have chosen to completely dismantle and challenge every established institution and intent brought by our forebearers while the other side sits with their collective thumbs up their collective asses lamenting why they're getting angry calls from their angry constituents. Both sides paid and bought by people and corporations who will gladly show you the underside of their shoes if it means they get to stand an inch taller. Fuck'em all at this point. Disengage and focus on yourself until 2026. |
Asdfp277
02.21.25 | y'all u.s. people seriously need to stop thinking of politics in terms of political parties, especially since you live in a two party country
"both sides" are not all the sides, it's just two organizations out of an entire country
for elections it makes sense since it's pretty much only two candidates, but politics don't begin and end with elections, ESPECIALLY in a two party country |
FowlKrietzsche
02.21.25 | There are no sides here except the class war |
Christbait
02.21.25 | PACs destroyed the democratic framework set up by the Constitution. Once corporations attained this level of control through donations it became a slow descent into hell. |
Gameofmetal
02.21.25 | Don't really like the class focus above all else, the culture war is serious business with all the reactionary christian crazies out there. They're taking the rights of people they deem degenerate. |
Asdfp277
02.21.25 | i think the class focus can be helpful in that it's an objective that you have in common with them looneys, and the sooner they realize their financial interest is in jeopardy by the leopards, the better
i agree with you that their bigotry is not to be dismissed or ignored though. it's quite scary and damaging |
smaugman
02.21.25 | Usa needs more than just two parties (real alternatives), you need a parliamentary system like most european countries have tbh |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | “i think the class focus can be helpful in that it's an objective that you have in common with them looneys, and the sooner they realize their financial interest is in jeopardy by the leopards, the better
i agree with you that their bigotry is not to be dismissed or ignored though. it's quite scary and damaging”
1000x this. The elites throw gasoline on top of this culture war bullshit to make right wing morons think that other working class folks are the problem.
All I’m gonna say is that if they don’t have a literal come to jesus moment, fucking arm yourself. They’re armed. |
budgie
02.21.25 | "i think every US citizen in this thread would much rather live in canada right about now, if not already like 10 years ago for the healthcare.
canada has even more fucked up real estate than the US west coast and their wages are piss poor
they have the worst of the US and the worst of europe idk why people keep glamorizing canada
and every single last anglo-canadian that ive known down here in socal has been a dickhead
except quebec, montreal looks fucking beautiful. that part of canada seems worth glamorizing
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unclereich
02.21.25 | >i think every US citizen in this thread would much rather live in canada right about now, if not already like 10 years ago for the healthcare
i needed that laugh today holy shit |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | A bloke I know emigrated to Canada from the UK 7yrs ago with his family and is now back.
Make of that what you will. |
budgie
02.21.25 | yeah i remember looking at data and being surprised at how poor canada outcomes were compared with the rest of the west. it's unfortunate too because dumbfuck foxnews types will use canada as an example of why socialized healthcare is a bad system, while conveniently ignoring western europe. thanks canada! |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | What is the monthly cost for Health insurance in the States? A full policy where everything’s covered? |
budgie
02.21.25 | theres a huge range but i see average for a family plan being nearly 1.5k a month
which effectively closes the gap already between median salaries in the US and france/germany |
bigweinerdon
02.21.25 | Canada woke shithole |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | Fuck me |
budgie
02.21.25 | wanna be really fucked?
canada hit a avg high of 830,000 home sale price (CAD) in 2022 with an average salary of 57k
poor bastards.even fucking los angeles county has a lower differential
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zakalwe
02.21.25 | Jesus |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | I’m probably more shocked about the medical insurance though to be fair.
I was expecting half of that tops. |
bigweinerdon
02.21.25 | Our government is fuckin braindead. We need a trump up here. Hopefully Polievre can get er goin |
zakalwe
02.21.25 | Trumps forthrightness is so refreshing to see in what has seemed like decades of bimbling and bumbling through a mire of nonsense throughout the entire Western World of politics.
The man really does not give a fuck.
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Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | “ Our government is fuckin braindead. We need a trump up here.”
You’re legitimately fucking retarded, and I mean that as wokely as possible |
budgie
02.21.25 | trumps forthrightness might be refreshing if anything he said was genuine? he doesn't even believe the shit he says himself, he just pukes out whatever rhetoric is suitable for the occasion, he has zero integrity or conviction and americans love him for it |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.21.25 | what he said |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | American trumpies are already dumb as shit but foreigners that like him should have a brand on their fucking forehead as a warning to rational people |
Spec
02.22.25 | They sort of do but it’s on their trucks instead. |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | Because of what went before Budge. |
jrlikestodance
02.22.25 | Trump is the definition of a puppet |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | imagine thinking trump ever tells the truth lmao |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | It’s things like that recent response to the Governor of Maine. It’s genuinely lol. Not a diplomatic bone in his body. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | He’s a fucking pussy honestly |
ShadowRemains
02.22.25 | forthrightness is only refreshing if it's truthful |
Deathconscious
02.22.25 | "Our government is fuckin braindead. We need a trump up here."
"Bro the billionaire oligarch really cares about me bro!"
How much dumber and more cucked can you get? |
ShadowRemains
02.22.25 | the nazis were pretty forthright about hating the jews you know! |
bigweinerdon
02.22.25 | Polievre just gonna go full whey |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | here’s what’s going to happen, we cut everyone’s health insurance, and the markets will adjust accordingly because libertarianism is a perfect and beautiful ideology, and then eventually going to the doctor for open heart surgery or chemo will cost $50.
Free market capitalism would never hurt anyone, think about all of the wars in history, they all have one thing in common… regulation. Every conflict in history has been caused by all the god damned regulation. French Revolution? Regulation. World War I? Regulation. World War II? Fucking regulation.
The job creators truly have the lower and middle class’ best interest at heart and we shouldn’t saddle them with all of this red tape. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | And nationalism is great too, nothing bad has ever come of ultranationalism. |
rockarollacola
02.22.25 | nice bait |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Now imagine being so dense that you read that and went “fuck yeah let’s do that!” |
budgie
02.22.25 | sometimes i feel like nationalism wouldnt be all that bad if not for the fact that the only people who champion it are racist pussies with inferiority complexes bigger than CERN |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Yeah hitler really gave it a bad rap |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | jokes aside I see what you’re saying, the people most proud of our nation are the people I’m least proud to have in it |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | there's many acceptions of nationalism tho, which one are u using ? it's one thing to love your country, to wish it well; it's another one altogether to wish it to control other countries, that it somehow is above all else, etc |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4
Can’t say I disagree with that take. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | I think nationalism is always doomed to go beyond loving your country or wishing it well. |
NudeTayne
02.22.25 | been blackpilled since 2020 tbh, all the light in my eyes is gone |
budgie
02.22.25 | well strictly speaking a nation is a people, not the state itself. 1789 - 1815 france was pretty damn nationalist fighting against a world that was still holding on to feudalism and aristocracy
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Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Idk about you but Bernie taking the L took the wind out of my sails and showed that this country doesn’t want to change or be better.
I help where I can but as far as electoral politics goes, lefties sent a boat in 2016 and a fucking helicopter in 2020. I still vote but no democrat will ever get a dime from me and will be lucky to even get my vocal support. Unless they somehow find a viable populist to rally around in 2028, which is a fucking pipe dream |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | I think of nationalism in a more modern context budge but I’m willing to recognize that.
Maybe I just haven’t been paying attention to the world at large but I haven’t ever seen good nationalism in my admittedly short time on this planet. |
budgie
02.22.25 | when the anglosphere devolves into a dystopian technohellscape where globalized megafirms have company cities they rent to their employees maybe nationalist movements will make sense again like they did in the early 19th century |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | jesus that’s fucking bleak god damn we’re fucked |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Rec me some commie black metal budge |
budgie
02.22.25 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-z_ZXHazCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o66mBip29c 🤷♀️ |
budgie
02.22.25 | honestly that 2nd track fuckin rips i havent listened to it in a damn while |
CugnoBrasso
02.22.25 | Guys... Read Marxist shit and find the light. |
unclereich
02.22.25 | Wildcards the homie but dogs just replying to himself in these threads 😂 |
budgie
02.22.25 | him n i are talking in the spirit realm u just cant see the dialog bubbles |
unclereich
02.22.25 | Brother you think right wingers can read? Unreal |
budgie
02.22.25 | ur rudefullnesss scared off wild card r u proud o-f ursolf |
unclereich
02.22.25 | He’ll be back with a 200 word response tomorrow( only teasing!) |
budgie
02.22.25 | rude rude rude rude |
smaugman
02.22.25 | insane how many americans vote for republicans when they have an abysmal track record of workers rights. they want a better personal economy, but wont vote for Sanders because he is a "socialist" even though he is actually someone who supports unions, higher wages, increased taxation of the rich, etc...morons |
budgie
02.22.25 | americans are selfish and cowardly
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zakalwe
02.22.25 | Nah. Just obnoxious as fuck and loud |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | wdym I’ve been kicking my feet up by the fire, rereading das kapital, waiting for you kids to wake up |
Beardog
02.22.25 | What I don't get is why people don't just vote something other than Republic or Democrat? It's possible right? |
smaugman
02.22.25 | Because it’s only siphoning votes…it’s only a symbolic act to vote green or independent, so you only hurt the major party you align with the most |
budgie
02.22.25 | we dont have parliamentary system in america |
Beardog
02.22.25 | But if those greens get most votes they become party nr 2. over the democrats right? I thought people are indeed now scared of 'wasting votes', but if everybody stops voting democrat/republican those parties would disappear right? |
budgie
02.22.25 | yes but that has never happened and the main parties are essentially paracorporations which spend billions of dollars each election cycle |
Beardog
02.22.25 | Either those parties have to change or the U.S. has to grow some sense and stop voting for parties that do not want what's best for the states. |
budgie
02.22.25 | americans are too stupid to know what they want |
smaugman
02.22.25 | Sure if magically everyone voted green then they would be the major party/have the president, but that’s almost certainly impossible because people vote one party their entire life because they are so different |
Gameofmetal
02.22.25 | Like our third parties routinely get 1% of the vote, the margin is so huge that it self-fulfills or something. You don't vote because they don't have a chance but people not voting for them is why they don't have a chance lol. |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | They’re created as controlled opposition innit |
Beardog
02.22.25 | Exactly Gameofmetal, which is if everybody just starts to actually vote for what they care about, things can change in the U.S. for sure. Just gotta get out of this defeatist mindset |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | @zak
At this point, idk. There are some candidates that seem genuine, but that just might be ideological bias coming thru in me. I liked what I saw from Claudia De la Cruz and Karina Garcia, but the Green Party definitely has been giving me that vibe pretty much my entire adult life. I’m pretty sure Jill Stein has been their candidate since 2016 at least and I feel like I never see or hear from her unless there’s an election happening. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | “What I don't get is why people don't just vote something other than Republic or Democrat? It's possible right?”
I’ll put it like a dumb guy because all other three of your answers are more knowledgeable on it than me.
Yes it’s possible. But it won’t happen because most people don’t even know who they are. They don’t run ads, they don’t have the money to properly campaign. Politicians, especially those running for president, are treated like celebrities here (idk how it is for most of the rest of the world, am dumb American), and those third party candidates just, well, aren’t. Their views are too radical so they’re purposefully suppressed by the media, even tho the Green Party just seems like what a ton of European countries have already had for years.
Both of our parties are right wing, one only seems progressive because they pretend to care about social causes but economically, I don’t see a huge difference between aside from Trump. He’s just doing some insane shit. |
Beardog
02.22.25 | Yeah, American parties are both more right than our most right party in the Netherlands lol. |
bigweinerdon
02.22.25 | Liberal gomers on this site |
jrlikestodance
02.22.25 | All you've done is use buzzwords Don while other people are providing well thought out responses to their grievances w the country. We would love to see why you think Conservatism will save your country rather than just resorting to name calling bc you disagree |
DaveyMonsoon
02.22.25 | Your first mistake is trying to reason with someone with Lynyrd Skynyrd 5s. |
suppatime
02.22.25 | I will agree that modern third parties are useless to a degree, but to say that third parties are not viable in this country is just wrong in my opinion. Ross Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote in the 90s, Teddy Roosevelt got 27% when he ran for a third term as a third party in the early 1900s, and the Dems endorsed a third party and didn't run their own candidate in the 1872 election. In addition, we've had plenty of party shifts and new versions of the two parties created throughout our history.
So, third parties are viable and can make a difference when well-run but therein lies the rub. Modern third parties (and both major parties to be honest) have nominated shit candidates for years and are not well-run. Third parties especially need a charismatic leader, and they tend to run the most milquetoast, lame people around. Then, as others have said, it's fear of "your vote not counting" which.. it doesn't really anyway lol. A lot of people don't vote on policy, they vote on how safe and well-off they feel and if they like the candidate's personality. Millions of other people don't share your opinions and are just gonna go with who makes them feel better.
As beardog said, "either those parties have to change or the U.S. has to grow some sense and stop voting for parties that do not want what's best for the states." We have agency in our vote if we are informed and demand change from who we vote for, but we're not using it. The more people cling to this two-party thing, the worse off we are. Politicians don't give a flying fuck about us. They care about being elected and reelected and making money for themselves and their friends. As a result, we have to use the thing they want most, our vote (and our money, but I weep for those who give to a political candidate), wisely and not give it to people who are corrupt and not doing good things for citizens. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | @jr
They have no well thought out ideas, if they did they wouldn’t be conservative. |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | although not having trump would be fantastic right now, voting for a president is not going to solve all your issues. politics is not just that |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Well I wouldn’t be fearful of a huge chunk of the agricultural industry getting chained like slaves for some fucking asmr meme shit, federal employees getting laid off (of which my mom and a few friends are a part of), and my queer friends being denied rights or worse. Not to mention the absolutely cruel and inhumane shit that doesn’t directly affect me.
So yeah my general anxiety has gone up over the last month a little |
bigweinerdon
02.22.25 | Lol no ones rights are being taken away you absolute gome
Skynyrd definitely has some 5's I dunno what you're on about |
gryndstone
02.22.25 | its ok don. its hard to string together a coherent paragraph. you'll get there someday |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | they already have you fuckin idiot
And I love that you completely ignored the other two also true things I said. To me that says there’s one rational synapse in your fuckin dumb ass brain fighting all of that propaganda that you’ve been mainlining for however long we’ve been unfortunate to have you on this earth. |
smaugman
02.22.25 | either he is trolling, or he is just your stereotypical idiot angry about "woke" |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | there u go, have ur attention don 🤲 |
efp123
02.22.25 | so stupid when people bring music ratings into any type of conversation. I'll five your funeral, then what |
Hyperion1001
02.22.25 | theres really nothing we can do right now besides participate in a general strike if one catches hold.
also i suggest anyone who legally can arm themselves. we have the second amendment for a reason. dont wait until they decide that only certain people are allowed to own firearms, which is probably coming here soon. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | “also i suggest anyone who legally can arm themselves. we have the second amendment for a reason. dont wait until they decide that only certain people are allowed to own firearms, which is probably coming here soon.”
[2] all fucking day
And really you know what? I hope don is right. I hope Trump is fantastic. But fortunately my mother stopped drinking when she found out she was pregnant, unlike our right wing friend over here, so I have four years to remember how awful he was, and a whole month of how he’s been even worse. If you seriously look at the last month of shit that has happened and just think it’s great… I have nothing. There is absolutely nothing that will change your mind until you get fucked in the ass, and then you’ll still find some way to blame DEI or some shit |
bigweinerdon
02.22.25 | Lol who did you vote for there doug |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | An intent to end the Ukraine war
A protection of women’s rights
The back pay of all army personal who were laid off for not having the vaccine
A return to merit based employment rather than reaching a set minority quota
A crackdown on wasteful government spending
These are all good things to be fair.
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DoofDoof
02.22.25 | Rapid increase of deportations of illegal immigrants who've committed crimes since entering the US?
No 'chicken nugget defence' across the Atlantic it seems. |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | Just Googled it.
Farcical. |
FowlKrietzsche
02.22.25 | "A protection of women’s rights"
uhm banning abortion limits women's rights and research the SAVE act if you think they aren't coming for women's voting rights. Do you have any examples outside transphobic bs?
I'll add that Trump's deportation numbers now are lower than Biden's were, but hey, what is this conversation but a bully pulpit for people who refuse to use nuance until it comes to justifying the vicarious, petty tyranny of this unending spray tanned nightmare. Quit harping on election cycle talking points, we're in the admin, bring substance or stay overseas |
DocSportello
02.22.25 | The US borrows approximately $5 billion/day. Nothing is being saved. |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | It’s a womans ‘right’ to have an abortion after 24wks for non medical purposes is it? |
budgie
02.22.25 | "A crackdown on wasteful government spending
dont be silly zak conservative rhetoric to make government efficient is just bad faith justification to privatize state services for personal profit. look at whats happening with the usps. |
FowlKrietzsche
02.22.25 | "It’s a womans ‘right’ to have an abortion after 24wks for non medical purposes is it?"
Uh yes it absolutely fucking is |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | anti-choice people are so annoying at this point i support 80th week abortion |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | "crackdown on wasteful government spending" sounds good on paper, but execution is what matters. and so far, well...
when are they cutting the u.s. government spending on tesla tho? |
DoofDoof
02.22.25 | 'anti-choice people are so annoying at this point i support 80th week abortion'
well let's be thankful that sput is closed to new users because some used to be about that age |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | “An intent to end the Ukraine war
A protection of women’s rights
The back pay of all army personal who were laid off for not having the vaccine
A return to merit based employment rather than reaching a set minority quota
A crackdown on wasteful government spending”
the fucking mental gymnastics to say all of this and make them out to be good things, well done honestly man.
Like how can you be so wildly disingenuous? I know you’re not that stupid zak. I sincerely mean that. |
budgie
02.22.25 | but, but, wildcard, trans kids are playing sportsball |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | what a terrible time to be alive
And I mean that about the trans kids, wokeness has gone too far |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | I completely agree it’s not that simple but addressing the issues and making concerted efforts to actually do something is what is needed.
Trump said he was going to enhance border security and he has, he said he was going to crack down on the DEI quota and he has, there’s none of the usual political filibustering that accompanies the pledges, lies and bluster.
It’s what has adhered him to the voters. He actually for all his faults, deceit and blatant incompetence generally does seem in charge and appears to be wearing the trousers which Bush, Obama and Biden certainly didn’t.
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budgie
02.22.25 | what he said:
"My plan expands affordable insurance options, reduces the cost of prescription drugs, will end surprise medical billing, increases fairness through price transparency, streamlines bureaucracy, accelerates innovation, strongly protects Medicare, and always protects patients with preexisting conditions."
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budgie
02.22.25 | what he did:
President Trump rescinded former President Joe Biden’s order that extended the enrollment periods for Affordable Care Act (ACA) plans in most states, and granted additional funding for third parties aiding enrollment in ACA insurance. While ACA enrollment nearly doubled under the Biden administration to about 24 million people, those gains are attributed primarily to government subsidies that lowered the cost of ACA premiums. The effect this rescission will have on enrollment trends is one thing to watch in the coming years.
President Trump issued an order rolling back policies to limit drug spending by Medicaid and Medicare. In particular, he rescinded an executive order that asked the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (CMMI) to consider new payment and healthcare models to limit drug spending. The former Biden-era order had prompted CMMI to announce in 2023 its intention to test three models aimed at lowering drug costs, none of which have fully gotten off the ground yet. The purpose of President Trump’s rescission is reportedly to facilitate better price negotiations with drug companies, as the second round of Medicare drug price negotiations are slated for 2025. Thus far, 15 drugs have been added to the negotiation list, indicating the administration’s intention to lower prices for those drugs, including Ozempic and Wegovy. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Yeah man, it just turns out that all those things are bad and some people are finally realizing they’re bad while some other people have been saying they’ll be bad.
Bad people saying they’ll do bad things once they get into power and then preceding to do bad things isn’t good. It turns out it’s bad. |
budgie
02.22.25 | President Trump acted to revoke several policies implemented by former President Biden, the purpose of which were aimed at responding to the Covid-19 pandemic and future infectious disease outbreaks by bolstering testing, research into treatments, providing economic relief, and enhancing cooperation with other countries in the event of another pandemic. For the most part, these rescissions remove lingering policies that have run their course after the Covid-19 pandemic.
President Trump, through the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), ordered a government-wide freeze stopping the rulemaking process for 60 days in an effort to review rules posted in the Federal Register. This freeze includes and implicates HHS’s ability to issue healthcare regulations. During the regulatory freeze, HHS will assess the regulatory landscape and decide which regulations it wants to keep or toss from the former administration. It will also assess regulations proposed but not finalized under the former administration, including the proposed updates to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Security Rule and the proposed rule for the prescribing of controlled substances via telehealth. We’ll be watching for how the Trump administration will deal with the proposed updates to Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D prescription drug programs. The freeze ends on February 1st. |
budgie
02.22.25 | In conjunction with the directive to freeze the regulatory process, the Trump administration issued OMB Memorandum M-25-13, which sought to place a temporary pause on trillions of dollars of federal grants and loans. However, the OMB quickly rescinded its memorandum after a federal judge blocked the order for constitutionality concerns after legal challenges from nonprofit organizations and concerns from state and local governments over the freeze’s impact on health care and crucial infrastructure spending. The White House clarified that this was not a rescission of their intent to implement a funding freeze, but rather an attempt to alleviate confusion around the application of the directive and doubled down on their commitment to review federal spending. For many hospitals and healthcare providers, a pause on the receipt of federal grants and other financial assistance could have a substantial impact on their ability to provide care to their patients. As a result, hospitals and healthcare provides should closely track this initiative from the Trump administration and the legal challenges as it makes its way through the courts. |
ShadowRemains
02.22.25 | firing tens of thousands of government employees, in many cases illegally, is not how to fix the government |
ShadowRemains
02.22.25 | put term limits on fucking congress and the supreme court, ban congressional stock trading, and repeal citizens united
you want to fix the government? get big money away from it, which is precisely the opposite of what trump and a lot of corporate republicans and democrats are doing |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | Just says to me big-pharma pulls the strings |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | yeah I’m not reading all that shit budgie, it’s easier to just close my eyes and pretend everything is fine while the house is fucking burning down |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | big everything pulls the strings and if you think Trump is gonna take on any corporate interest you’re a fucking mark |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | I totally agree |
ShadowRemains
02.22.25 | now elon is sending emails to government employees forcing them to tell their managers what they did last week or be fired, fucking absurd |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Okay great, now here’s what he’s going to do, he’ll go so much further than any wolf in sheep’s clothing “progressive” (Obama, Kamala, etc) would ever even think to regarding deregulation, fucking over workers, and generally making life hell for people that aren’t rich. And the less white, Christian, and male you are the worse it’s going to be.
And his cretinous base will applaud him every step of the way as he’s raping them. |
Egarran
02.22.25 | Funny how there are no Trump supporters here. Fascists are cowards. But also they kind of like being called fascist cowards. |
ShadowRemains
02.22.25 | "Elon's emails are out.
Subject line: What did you do last week?
It asks for "5 bullets of what you accomplished last week."
Recipients must cc their manager and not to send classified info.
DEADLINE: Monday 11:59pm"
this is legitimately happening right now to every federal employee, like holy fucking shit |
Voivod
02.22.25 | @ShadowRemains
Also reinstate a strict limit of election money donations per individual so as to downsize the disproportionate financial weight of money moguls, as it were the case prior to 2013. |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | Monday - Did Fuck All
Tuesday - Thought about keying a Tesla
Wednesday -Pulled a sickie
Thursday - Was unwavering in my belief your an absolute cunt
Friday - Handed in My notice |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | i wonder what has *elon* done, other than pretend he was democratically elected |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Waved a chainsaw around like a jackass and used his kid as a human shield
Id say the people that cheer for that man still are even dumber than Trump supporters but it’s nice that it’s just the exact same people |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | the chainsaw thing comes from javier milei too, the argentinian president being investigated by the fbi for fraud due to the whole cryptoscam situation lmao |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | I thought that was a stone bonker smear campaign ploy by the opposition hacking into his account but nope he admitted to posting the thing.
Absolute clown world. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | Dumbasses all the way down.
Only they’re the ones in charge |
zakalwe
02.22.25 | Total incompetence |
ArsMoriendi
02.22.25 | Trump tried to blame Ukraine for the Russo-Ukrainian war
Wild times |
ArsMoriendi
02.22.25 | "How did Trump's support of Russia over Ukraine go down in the U.S?"
Trump's apparently been a Russian asset since like 1987, but it didn't really matter until he was president
At least his Putin bootlicking seems to be actually upsetting conservatives. I thought nothing he could do would cause that |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | now here's where my ignorance comes thru the hardest: why is trump such a simp for russia? i thought russia was one of the other imperial abusive countries that fight the u.s. for dominance! |
rellik009
02.22.25 | cause money |
Asdfp277
02.22.25 | oh so he's just being straight up paid directly? or is it like a more elaborate ploy? is there *any* obfuscation of it? lmao |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.22.25 | He wants to be Putin so bad. Probably one of like 3 people on this planet he respects, including his wife and children |
Egarran
02.23.25 | I prefer the theory that Putin has extremely compromising stuff on Trump that will eventually be made public. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | Also likely. Wonder if Diddy has anything on him. His lawyer just quit and that was one shady mf so that tells me he’s gonna be chilling with Epstein soon |
ShadowRemains
02.23.25 | "39% of the detainees disappeared to the Guantanamo offshore prison were deemed "low threat" by the Trump administration. Some of the individuals being detained at Guantanamo did not cross illegally, legally requesting asylum at a port of entry."
seriously i hope all of these people in charge go play in fucking traffic |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | no no it’s fine they’re only going after bad hombres that’s what they said |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | just gleefully evil |
artiswar
02.23.25 | "I prefer the theory that Putin has extremely compromising stuff on Trump that will eventually be made public." Like the peepee tape? Fuck off |
Deathconscious
02.23.25 | I don't think so, I think Trump just respects and admires strongman dictator types. |
Asdfp277
02.23.25 | i mean at this point, what could he possibly have that would make trump stans turn their backs on him? just look at what he does openly! |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | yeah there’s literally nothing. Death is right, he *only* wants to be a dictator guys |
DaveyMonsoon
02.23.25 | January 6th would've been a death sentence to the political career of anyone else. Trump's quote of him shooting someone in public and still having followers will unfortunately always ring true. |
artiswar
02.23.25 | "I think Trump just respects and admires strongman dictator types" [2] |
Asdfp277
02.23.25 | even if trump died, the fascists that currently support him would not go away. they're as much responsible for this mess as the man himself |
artiswar
02.23.25 | the man dodges bullets like Neo |
ShadowRemains
02.23.25 | "i mean at this point, what could he possibly have that would make trump stans turn their backs on him? just look at what he does openly!"
you don't want to see the answer |
bigweinerdon
02.23.25 | Can you guys help us with deportations up north? Fuck it’s greasy up here. |
artiswar
02.23.25 | I hear Canada is going to become the 51st state so possibly yes |
Butkuiss
02.23.25 | I’m still just perplexed about how little criticism or flak there’s been regarding Trump promising to curb inflation while simultaneously pursuing a policy agenda that seems almost exclusively inflationary. Where are the nominally economic rationalist portion of the Republican base these days? |
ShadowRemains
02.23.25 | non existent |
zakalwe
02.23.25 | It was at 9% a couple of years ago and has continued to decrease, it’ll continue to drop, hover around 3% then rise again.
Globalism. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | “ Can you guys help us with deportations up north? Fuck it’s greasy up here.”
I know you’re baiting but god you should be [redacted], not just for everyone else but for your own sake as well |
DominionMM1
02.23.25 | will you take it easy over there fucking judge roy bean |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | sorry I’ll be more discreet |
Asdfp277
02.23.25 | "globalism"
yeah. it's what allowed prices to be so low in the first place. of course trying to sway away from global trade will explode prices. ask argentina! |
budgie
02.23.25 | why does diet pepsi in a bottle taste so much better than from a fountain thingy |
Asdfp277
02.23.25 | resippy |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | It’s so weird because I truly feel like bottled soda is much better than from a fountain, but why the fuck is beer from a tap better than a bottle??? |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | btw I just caught Jordan Jensen live and would highly recommend to anyone that’s a fan of standup. She’s gonna blow tf up soon, if I really think about it probably the second best I’ve seen in person. She easily squeezes two hours worth of material into her hour. She’s fucking masterful. |
unclereich
02.23.25 | no way lol fountain soda almost always tastes the best eg diet pepsi from taco bell. ofc we all know about the legendary mcdonald's diet coke. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | At this point I view diet soda how I view light beer…
just why? |
budgie
02.23.25 | because carbonated drinks > flat drinks but perrier n shit is not really something places here have. i fully had one guy straight up call me a faggot cuz i said perrier was my fav carbonated beverage
and theres no way im gonna drink 50g of sugar that is fuckin poison |
CaliggyJack
02.23.25 | I don't even recognize my country anymore |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | yeah but if you consume it like it’s a treat it’s not that bad, that’s another problem America has, consumerism.
Having 50g of sugar once a week because I want a fucking Pepsi is fine, but then you have all of these fucks drinking 3 big gulps a day and they’re wondering why they are scheduled for their second amputation from the dia betus |
unclereich
02.23.25 | Diet soda is a superior product. Tastes amazing and is guilt free. To me regular soda has always tasted gross and is a real head scratcher. why bother drinking all those calories and sugar when you could have a tall crisp dc? |
Purpl3Spartan
02.23.25 | I can't stand most diet sodas (especially coke) but yeah it's definitely healthier for you |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | idk after not drinking any of the shit for so long the only two that hit at all are og Pepsi and diet Mountain Dew. I’ll give yall diet dew. They must sprinkle some crack in that shit. I drank reg mtn dew for years and got fat as shit, switched to diet, lost 50 pounds, stopped drinking it wholesale, and then went back and tried them both and got regular mtn dew is fucking horrid. I regret the years of my life I spent fat as shit drinking that swill.
Other than that I’ve yet to find a diet soda that’s better than the original… im sorry ur fuckin tripping with the Diet Coke comparisons. It’s solid… as far as diet cola goes it’s the best. But I can’t help but feel like I might as well just be drinking fucking water.
How about this, Dead Billionaire (I promise I don’t just love it because of the name) Liquid Death is the best canned product around. I love that shit. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | website wasn’t working on my phone |
budgie
02.23.25 | why do i always get FUCKING NOOBs on my aoe2 team
FUCKING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
Egarran
02.23.25 | I prefer the theory that Musk manipulated enough voting machines to give Trump victory in exchange for dismantling regulatory institutions. |
zakalwe
02.23.25 | America sets the precedent in over consumption of shite.
Other countries have followed suit and it is bloody depressing to see.
The world used to look at America in the 80s and early 90s and think Christ, the greedy fuckers. Have some restraint.
Then the world cottoned on to how easy it is to exploit food as a taxable, marketable ‘product’ where the demand can be artificially generated through sugar and other addictive additives and before long everyone is waddling around like a cunt
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zakalwe
02.23.25 | Double post, It’s hard to type on a mobile when holding a KFC bargain bucket
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budgie
02.23.25 | FFFFFFFFUCKING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | idk after not drinking any of the shit for so long the only two that hit at all are og Pepsi and diet Mountain Dew. I’ll give yall diet dew. They must sprinkle some crack in that shit. I drank reg mtn dew for years and was one fat fuck, switched to diet, lost 50 pounds, stopped drinking it wholesale, and then went back and tried them both and god regular mtn dew is fucking horrid. I regret the years of my life I spent fat as shit drinking that swill.
Other than that I’ve yet to find a diet soda that’s better than the original… im sorry ur fuckin tripping with the Diet Coke comparisons. It’s solid… as far as diet cola goes it’s the best. But I can’t help but feel like I might as well just be drinking fucking water with all the caffeine. And don’t even try to sell me on caffeine free cola, I’d rather drink my own piss.
But how about this, Dead Billionaire (I promise I don’t just love it because of the name) Liquid Death is the best canned product around. I love that shit. |
budgie
02.23.25 | NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
unclereich
02.23.25 | 😂 |
DominionMM1
02.23.25 | mexican coke in a glass bottle>>>>
if trumps tariffs effect that i’m storming the white house wearing a sombrero and bandolier |
MillionDead
02.23.25 | I feel enormous amounts of existential dread about this administration. I honestly feel less inclined to be in common white spaces because I can't help but look around like "who voted for this shit that is so clearly antithetical to my personhood?" GOP fucks are using DEI like a slur and taken to insinuating that if ANY minority has a position anywhere that it's because of DEI and they could never possibly be qualified to be there. It's insulting and dehumanizing, but that's those folks' bread and butter. Scapegoat everyone else and turn a blind eye to their own mediocrity. Half of the motherfuckers complaining about DEI ruining the country had someone in their family get them a job. Immigrants, documented or otherwise, literally bolster or economy and give more us more than they take. They give us billions in taxes between buying products here and contributing to social security and medicare that they'll likely not get to even use. Statistically they're less likely to commit a crime than a US citizen. Personally Americans have done more to hurt me than any immigrant ever could. Human quality of life will always be more important than lines on a map.
The GOP is basically a cult. They run on pseudo intellectual garbage at the best of times and completely emotion driven xenophobic drivel more often than not, parroting these ultra-traditionalist standards that they themselves don't even live up to. Satire is dead, it's our lives instead. How utterly disingenuous is it for an administration full of mfs with sexual misconduct convictions claiming to do ANYTHING for women's safety? It's laughable.
But the country brought this shit on itself, the writing was on the wall a thousand times over and tens of millions still voted for that fuck. Not that the democrats don't have blood on their hands in this. In this toxic culture, people blindly worship wealth, power, and the people who have it like many worship god. It's impossible to believe that the state is ever going to save us from itself. Grassroots movements and mutual aid groups have to build so intently rn. And if people on the ground don't organize, and just keep complaining with no walk behind the talk, our fate will be sealed and we'll have a lot more to dread than just the next 4 years. |
MillionDead
02.23.25 | “Can you guys help us with deportations up north? Fuck it’s greasy up here.” You're a piece of garbage for even joking like that, given the state of things. People are being detained indefinitely and stripped of their human rights just for being here.
This shit is going to turn into 1984 before we know it. |
Egarran
02.23.25 | Great post Mr. Dead. |
bigweinerdon
02.23.25 | This guy actually likes DEI what a mutant |
jrlikestodance
02.23.25 | Gave you 100+ comments to explain yourself
smallweinerdon confirmed |
FowlKrietzsche
02.23.25 | million is not threatened by being around minorities, women, or people with disabilities and that’s enough to disgust smallweinerdon, get outta here snowflake |
bigweinerdon
02.23.25 | Yeah racist hiring practices is a good way to go about it, goof |
zakalwe
02.23.25 | When it comes to the immigration thing, high skilled, highly paid workers are a net benefit and an overall positive one for the wider economy due to net contribution, tax and fiscal contribution.
They are actually more beneficial than native born individuals because they’re paying into the system from the outset and not incurring costs of public spending.
The problem is low skilled, low paid workers or those on benefits who have come in via familial student visas or illegally have a negative overall fiscal impact.
This is exacerbated by all the other issues that come with it, lack of integration, enclave culture, different cultural creed within the immediate societal environment and expansion of services without infrastructure.
It’s an issue that is brought up time and time again because it is a genuine concern for many people, including believe it or not those immigrants who are citizens
There’s uncomfortable issues that are required to be confronted in order to sort it out which is what the vast majority of people want but are unable to do so without being silenced, thrown under the bus or branded as ‘thick, racist, far right’ and shut down.
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Colton
02.23.25 | yanks think they can take my country and can't even beat us in a hockey game |
MillionDead
02.23.25 | Zak, you really manage to take the conservative old man position on every issue ever. Integration doesn't mean total assimilation. People can coexist while being different, homogenous cultures aren't necessary. I can't speak from lived experience about the UK but, in the US, the jobs that immigrants take are essential, even in unskilled positions. Particularly those, because those underpaid farm hands have a crucial role in food being distributed and prices being controlled by keeping production costs lower, which is truly unethical and exploitative in itself but they're often coming from even worse material conditions. Almost every restaurant has them in the back of house. The jobs people accuse them of taking aren't even jobs that most of the greater populace wants because they aren't "successful" jobs. These are often people doing the best they can with menial positions and their supposed dependence on benefits is very exaggerated here.
I think all of this immigration policy is thick, far right, and racist as fuck. Call a spade a spade. In my state, they almost passed bounty hunting for undocumented immigrants into law. That's utterly fucking barbaric and antihuman. And you have regular civilians impersonating ICE agents to harass Hispanic people and dumbasses emboldened by this fascist administration hurling slurs and racist rhetoric left and right. It's appalling. And it's deflecting blame where it doesn't belong. Big money and lobbying in politics is a much greater problem for people here. Cutting a chunk out of our bloated as fuck military budget and funneling it into public programs and infrastructure would help massively but that's not even on the table for democrats or republicans. Too many contracts to line defense contractors pockets and enrich shareholders at play. They'll let working class people tear each other apart while they bleed the public dry until the bitter end. |
Deathconscious
02.23.25 | Right wing bootlickers will never learn from history, they'll continue falling for the oldest trick in the book. It's the powerless poor brown people who are causing all the problems. Pay no attention to what the ultra wealthy are doing, they earned their money. |
Deathconscious
02.23.25 | "Yeah racist hiring practices is a good way to go about it, goof"
Except racism is why these policies were put in place, because companies weren't hiring solely based on merit, fuckwit. |
MillionDead
02.23.25 | [2] The US has had a racism issue from square one. Both of my parents were alive to go to "colored" schools and then get integrated, and not to mention the things my grandparents' generation had to suffer. America has never been a post-racial society and things like affirmative action and DEI were specifically there to combat the very real issue of discriminatory hiring and enrollment practices. |
efp123
02.23.25 | The two newer slowdive albums totally shit on the old stuff |
jrlikestodance
02.23.25 | I hope Trump doesn't have Diddy wacked. I'm almost certain he freaked off |
Colton
02.23.25 | i feel like there should be a middle ground between full on DEI and no DEI. like people shouldn't be hired specifically because of their race, but also if a company is hiring a disproportionately low amount of people from certain races that should be investigated and addressed |
Flugmorph
02.23.25 | thats all great and fun but now its time for german politics and doomposting |
zakalwe
02.23.25 | @mil
I agree, I am pro legal immigration but with certain criteria.
Doesn’t matter where you come from or what you believe but there has to be a limit and there has to be some form of criteria unless you are a refugee.
The mass uncontrolled immigration over the last 30yrs to the UK has caused almighty issues for the sake of cheap labour which in itself is highly questionable. The amount of exploitation going on is literally criminal.
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Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | the west only has access to the wealth and material goods we do because of the exploitation of labor and resources in developing regions of the world.
immigration to the west is a direct consequence of this as information systems have allowed people in developing nations to see their wealth extracted and exported to western countries. the only way to solve this is to significantly reduce consumption in all wealthy western nations and evenly distribute resources throughout the globe.
this, of course, won’t happen and we will end up fighting a global war over it in the not too distant future. only western nations are to blame and they will deserve the consequences. |
bigweinerdon
02.23.25 | Yeah hiring people for the sake of their skin colour is dumb as fuck. But that’s liberals for ya, useless. |
Egarran
02.23.25 | Liberals even tried to make a black woman president, how much out of touch with USA can you be. |
zakalwe
02.23.25 | Hyp.
There are clear issues with how the West has conducted itself and advanced its own needs by exploiting Africa, Asia, the Middle East et al but China has stood on its own, India is one of the fastest growing economies on the planet.
The insinuation that the West is somehow getting pay back for what was done is complete nonsense.
Europe expanded having been advanced by the Industrial Revolution, it would have been the Mongols if they’d invented the spinning Jenny.
The Ottoman Empire was brutal as were the Chinese Dynasties and warring factions in Africa.
The UK has been invaded, its people raped and pillaged by Vikings, conquered by the Romans does that mean we all fuck off over to Italy en-masse.
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DoofDoof
02.23.25 | 'the only way to solve this is to significantly reduce consumption in all wealthy western nations and evenly distribute resources throughout the globe.'
I read somewhere if that happened we'd all be living at the leve lof lower middle class Mexicans...there'll be a war then |
zakalwe
02.23.25 | I thought that was the aim. Even it all out and make everyone miserable as sin |
Beardog
02.23.25 | Honestly saddened you cannot just block people on Sputnikmusic.com |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | China is currently as successful as they are explicitly because they adopted western style colonial/imperial capitalism and they are currently doing better than any western nation.
as western nations continue to wrestle with the consequences of their imperial histories China will fill the vacuum and a global capitalism hegemony will continue, but centered on beijing instead of western nations.
capitalism requires an uneven distribution of finite resources to function, and is antithetical to the survival of the species because infinite growth cannot exist in a system of closed resources.
Which is exactly why the hegemony of global imperial capitalism will lead to global calamity and eventually societal/ecological collapse. at this point is near inevitable unless the global zeitgeist changes, and soon, which it won’t. |
Beardog
02.23.25 | And to the point of Doof and Zak, we are all insanely spoiled and should be living on a lower level. We should rethink society for earth to be able to sustain us. it's either consume less, recycle more, or get rid of a LOT of people on this planet (and not grow the population afterwards). |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | also, the idea that humans cannot live happily unless resources are unevenly distributed is exactly the mindset that will destroy the planet and everyone on it. |
bigweinerdon
02.23.25 | That’ll help the discussion, just block people you disagree with |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | @million
Based and you’re now fs one of my favorite users here, take that how you will.
“ GOP fucks are using DEI like a slur and taken to insinuating that if ANY minority has a position anywhere that it's because of DEI and they could never possibly be qualified to be there. It's insulting and dehumanizing, but that's those folks' bread and butter.”
they really should just go back to saying the n word instead of this cowardly pussyfooting bullshit, anytime someone busts out DEI as a negative I know that’s what they mean.
@zak
Like million said, I can’t speak for immigration in the UK, don’t know shit about it, but here immigrants literally pay more into taxes than they take out in addition to everything million already said. Their collective crime rate is also lower.
There’s literally no reason to not want them here aside from racism. And conservatives cynically using Laken Riley as an excuse should shut the fuck up forever, I literally had a family member killed in a hit and run by someone that was undocumented, you don’t see me blaming every single immigrant like a fucking asshole. Let the poor girl rest.
And also want to point out that republicans don’t give two shits about women’s rights unless they’re already dead and they can weaponize them. Had she only been raped they wouldn’t give a fuck about her. They would tell her to shut the fuck up since it’s an administration filled with wife beaters and rapists. |
jrlikestodance
02.23.25 | Don you haven't contributed anything except name calling liberals when most left leaning people here have been sick of them for a while.
I agree with Hype that we are overabundant with our resource consumption and the Western world will soon face many consequences. It's an unsustainable way to keep the world moving and eventually will lead to more problems than it's already caused. |
Beardog
02.23.25 | @Hyperion I am quite certain humanity's greed will be its downfall. It's so obvious, and that's why Elon wants us on Mars. He knows there is no way capitalism can proceed to exist on this planet alone.
@bigweinerdon Go write a review, I think spending your mental energy on something positive would be good for you! |
ConcubinaryCode
02.23.25 | Nows the time to build an actual grass roots left wing opposition btw, the liberal democrats are in an absolutely pathetic state of disarray and don't really know how to counter Trump. Might be a good time to support those that actually can. |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | 'And to the point of Doof and Zak, we are all insanely spoiled and should be living on a lower level. We should rethink society for earth to be able to sustain us. it's either consume less, recycle more, or get rid of a LOT of people on this planet (and not grow the population afterwards).'
More likely that western populations collapse than explode, and the lack of faith you have in humanity solving issues despite the insanely better standard of living now compared to a hundred years ago is pathetic.
Why collective impoverishment and self flagellation is such a popular framework for the future of humanity I don't get, but like I said, it's popular enough I can't dismiss the argument out of hand. |
Beardog
02.23.25 | Well Doof, the thing is, I KNOW we can solve it. But it's super obvious we are not willing to. I am into automotive for instance, and it's super obvious we should just go full on electric, expand the grid, and drop combustion engines a.s.a.p. But people are just not willing because of shareholder greed and the investments being too large, willfully ignoring that the costs of us not countering climate change will cost us a lot more in the future. Please tell me how to counter the shortsightedness of humanity, and I will do everything for it! |
jrlikestodance
02.23.25 | I think most people argue for that because our comfort comes at others' expense |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | i don’t understand why we have to frame it as “collective impoverishment”. there are plenty of resources to comfortably sustain the entire global population.
im talking about not buying fruity pebbles flavored Oreos and upgrading your PC parts every 6 months, not “going hungry 2 days out of the week”. |
smaugman
02.23.25 | Bigweinerdon, you seem like an average conservative…saying nothing of substance, only talking about woke and libtards |
Beardog
02.23.25 | Exactly Jr. I don't think we can keep our current level of luxury in the west, because we consume more than the earth can handle. That is my second point, we should go full recycling to afford our luxury lifestyles. But that also means (in the short term) products becoming more expensive, probably evening out in the future. But that is where the 'shortsightedness' argument comes in. |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | or, if I put in terms zak could potentially understand, not eating 1 pound of beans at every meal. |
Beardog
02.23.25 | "im talking about not buying fruity pebbles flavored Oreos and upgrading your PC parts every 6 months, not “going hungry 2 days out of the week”."
We mean the same thing :) |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | that was meant to respond to doofs comment but I’m glad we agree : ) |
FowlKrietzsche
02.23.25 | Y'all should read Overshoot by William Catton |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | Beardog - the problem is what you want is what the WEF are selling, a lot reads wonderful on paper, but really it's a level of control that finally splits the elite fully from the rest...the rest who yes, will all live on a much more uniform level of, effectively compared to today's lifestyles, serfdom. |
Beardog
02.23.25 | This elite is already there, and will always be there. Doing nothing will just make this elite go to Mars, and leave us here to die. Seems a bit ironic that you have this mindset while calling my ideas 'pathetic'. |
zakalwe
02.23.25 | You should all read Stark by Ben Elton |
Beardog
02.23.25 | @Fowl sounds interesting! 1982, a modern prophet?
@Zak why does the Amazon summary sound so much worse lol. Reviews seem good so must be an interesting read. |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | Beardog - people screaming for much reduced autonomy and choice in their life and the lives of others tends to ring as pathetic to me, it's not personal though |
Beardog
02.23.25 | Wait, why are you reading 'reduced autonomy' from my comments? Going directly to this point, I think we as a society should actually have MORE autonomy, because the current elite (right/mid/left politicians) seemingly only have short-term gains in sight, while what we need is to solve our earth's condition for centuries to come. |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | 'This elite is already there'
Yes, but they're not yet directly rationing my consumption and travel, I'd like to at least keep that level of disconnect from them. |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | 'seemingly only have short-term gains in sight'
you have not visited the WEF website, if you want long term that's the full whack, that's a long term vision for all human civilisation if it could be realised (it probably can't) |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | wages are quite literally a direct rationing of consumption my man. |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | Rationing is a more literal one - they tell you where your ration of credits can be spent! |
Beardog
02.23.25 | I would also love to be able to do what I would like to do, but with the current state of the earth, and the technology we have available for consumption and travel (mostly fuel fossil and virgin materials), our current consumption levels just deplete the earth to death. We should 100% focus on sustainable sources for these actions, or ration them. But guess what, the elite doesn't want to do either, because life will get more expensive / controlled and cause a revolt. And that is where I come to my 'spoiled society' point again :) |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | which is a fantasy cooked up by the business class to scare the labor class into supporting ideas against their own interests.
there is only one true liberation: economic liberation, where workers have access to 100% of the surplus value they create, not to be sloughed off and stolen by private interests who own private capital. |
Beardog
02.23.25 | "you have not visited the WEF website, if you want long term that's the full whack, that's a long term vision for all human civilisation if it could be realised (it probably can't)"
so you agree with me that we as humanity cannot make a sustainable society, and greed will indeed be our downfall? lol |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | Move to the UK, currently government policy is to reach net zero whatever the damage.
There's a lot of damage! |
Beardog
02.23.25 | OK, is it just me, or are you just angry at the politics in the UK and projecting it here?
I heard a few things about the UK being very agressive on cutting down on carbon emissions.
I would love to understand you better, your points don't seem coherent to me. I feel like we are actually agreeing on the things we seem to be arguing on. |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | don’t blame him, the British have a hard time parsing and understanding proper English. |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | Beardog - I believe science, great thinkers and yes big bad democracy/capitalism will either save the world through change and major breakthroughs or we'll be in some trouble.
A socialist dystopia as peddled by the WEF and others I'm less partial too.
I don't know where that aligns us tbh, but I have quite a lot of faith that big brains and money (aka resources and opportunity) tend to solve a lot of stuff for humans. I'm not a defeatist 'back to the caves and trees' sort basically.
Humanity could be stuffed though, I'm not hiding from that prospect. I have a daughter, I'm invested in the future and all that. |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | Beardog - yes, the UK is an example of a government reducing its energy security and financial stability for net zero. Research it. It might work, possibly, but a lot is early science (carbon capture for example) and we just had two months our renewables went down about 90% due to the wrong sort of sunshine and wind, including turbines having to be turned off during hurricanes costing an absolute fortune. It's an 'early adopter' nightmare so far.
I'm just saying a lot of what you're asking for seems to have real world examples out there already, there are incredibly green and/or socialist governments really going for it, and sometimes it's bloody painful for the populace.
Tax burden in the UK is higher than post Second World war, it's all very very socialist and kinda crazy. Its hard to make much money in the UK. Maybe that's good I don't know. |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | technology is over half of the reason we are in this current mess, so I’d say placing your faith in technology as our savior is futile. we have more than enough technological advancements right now to solve all of our world problems. science failed when we decided it could be put to better use creating bombs and extracting wealth than creating a more equitable society. |
Beardog
02.23.25 | @Doof I can see that, heard a bit about it on the news. In the Netherlands we are following quite a similar path, which I think is good. But indeed, it is very costly, so we should support it somehow, because right now it is killing our people. I did mention that earlier though, there is a large societal cost to these investments right now. But that is also because we should have focussed on these things 10 or more years ago... |
Beardog
02.23.25 | @Doof, to your earlier point: Honestly, I am not involved with the WEF at all, I heard a lot about it from Twitter at the times from far-right voters, never cared to check their entire stance. I just try to think and figure out what would be right for this world. However much it sucks, I think we do need some kind of 'rationing' in our lives, because sadly most people (I don't blame them) live in the here and now, and just do what they want while our earth cannot support it. I think companies fighting for as much profit as possible are to blame for this. Capitalism for sure will kill this world, Capitalism is not a friend to our future and I'm sure you understand that. So it's either politics or us having to stand up and ration Capitalism via recycling, or ourselves getting rationed by consuming less. |
ToSmokMuzyki
02.23.25 | back to living in caves before fire agreed |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | 'I’d say placing your faith in technology as our savior is futile'
Great, we fundamentally disagree, nothing wrong with that.
I will perhaps agree on AI which could have some existential impact, there's so many potential eventualities with AI....though again it could eventually have the capability to improve billions of lives on a huge scale.
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Beardog
02.23.25 | I think I am in the middle here, as I usually am. AI will not help us if we do not have a sustainable energy source. I think for sure AI can improve our lives, because mundane or difficult tasks can be solved much quicker. This should[SHOULD(if big'elite' agrees with it)!!!!] give us as a society enormous benefits! |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | 'Capitalism is not a friend to our future and I'm sure you understand that.'
A bit of a bold statement if the alternatives don't have a favourable track record, which mostly they don't seem to.
I await a Star Trek style futuristic maybe socialist world where energy and resources are as good as free and infinite, but falling short of that I 100% would not trust any other framework for society would inherently be better than capitalism 'just because it isn't capitalism'. |
ToSmokMuzyki
02.23.25 | everyone sign the petition to cut down on music consumption 50% by 2026 |
Beardog
02.23.25 | Yeah, I for sure understand your point. Capitalism does have the best track record, but is really getting uglier every year it seems. Let's hope something better comes along. The problem is, we have (almost) free energy and resources, as long as we choose to invest in sustainably obtaining them, through wind/kinetic/sun and recycling.
We literally have OCEANS and the SUN to our disposal, but are still digging up oil lmfao |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | Beardog, the most powerful elites, believe me I don't trust them, and a lot of their 'philanthropy' is self serving and power plays at heart, just more control.
I think we agree there, which basically means we're on the same side at the end of the day, like near enough everyone out there.
The top 0.000001% are terrifying, that is where things are obscene and often sinister. |
ToSmokMuzyki
02.23.25 | i mean we still havent caught lightning in a bottle nevermind sunlight in a jerrycan |
Beardog
02.23.25 | Let's just do our utmost to show the survival skills of the human species. Because indeed, we cannot trust the elite to save us. |
Asdfp277
02.23.25 | uncontrolled capitalism always leads to elites monopolizing the country, it's a natural consequence of capital accumulation |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | 'uncontrolled capitalism always leads to elites monopolizing the country'
The counter argument tends to revolve around seeming successes like Singapore - I have no idea if the elites make living in Singapore a nightmare for a proportion of the population, I haven't researched it. Do a significant number of globally relatively poor people live there?
Generally that's the sort of place where they say capitalism has been transformative, hugely positive and the quality of life/happiness index/life expectancy of citizens is always sky high.
I wouldn't say I've a big horse in this race, I can definitely see that the wealth divide is insane, but capitalism also seems to work well for some nations/peoples, and is that the point of it all? :/ |
Beardog
02.23.25 | Maybe we as a species are unable to have a society where there is not a 'satanic' elite monopolizing countries? Isn't it in our nature? |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | 'Isn't it in our nature?'
Communism, capitalism, socialism, facism...'some animals are more equal than others'
Seems so. |
Asdfp277
02.23.25 | generally we don't need to choose between uncontrolled capitalism (anarchocapitalism) and complete control communism -- generally states choose to somewhat control the economy by banning things, subsidizing the consumption of some goods, etc. It's just a question of degree
"Maybe we as a species are unable to have a society where there is not a 'satanic' elite monopolizing countries? Isn't it in our nature?"
secrecy will always be possible -- we can't spy on everyone at all times. And some degree of 'elite' will always exist, it's just a question of how much accumulation we allow them to have |
Beardog
02.23.25 | I am not sure if 'we' are ever able to control an elite. I think the people and thoughts within this elite change over time, but there is probably always some group with more power than others. Not sure if complete anarchy is in our nature, don't know examples of a society functioning through anarchy. |
DoofDoof
02.23.25 | Asdfp277 - yeah, that all sounds like sensible reasoning |
Colton
02.23.25 | i don't care if you support capitalism or not but if you don't support public healthcare I think there's actually something deeply wrong with you |
Asdfp277
02.23.25 | people seem to think that free market economics helps every industry, but this isn't necessarily true, and perhaps some industries like healthcare just don't do very well with it. It's a particularly price-inelastic industry, it's highly specialized, there are significant entry barriers, etc.
the truth tho is that healthcare will always somewhat suck lol. since the service side must be done locally (doctors, nurses, etc), prices will always match the economy, so you won't ever get cheap healthcare services within one's country. people always complain about waiting lines in public healthcare, but the reason that private healthcare doesn't have such waiting lines is because poor people just don't go lol they can't afford it
edit: there's no reason for drugs to be that expensive tho. they're products, theoretically they can be produced anywhere in the world and transported as needed. the only reason they're so expensive in the u.s. is that u.s. society has allowed pharmaceuticals have accumulate so much money and power. patents don't help, they don't encourage research, and most research is (or was) done with government money. companies get patents for products they didn't even develop! |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | you can always tell when someone has never actually read Marx or any other left economics when they bring up the “capitalism has a better track record than socialism”
socialism and capitalism were never meant to compete, and, in practice, most socialist/communist societies failed because they attempted to implement it far too early.
socialism is intended to replace capitalism once technology got to the point where labor produced capital efficiently enough to allow for resources to be equitably distributed, a place we’ve been at for quite a few decades now. |
budgie
02.23.25 | that's a very narrow definition of socialism hype. marx didn't invent socialism |
budgie
02.23.25 | oh christ this thread went long |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | which is why i said any other left economics. |
budgie
02.23.25 | just say marxism instead of socialism, its so outdated that it makes no sense to share the terms anymore |
Hyperion1001
02.23.25 | no |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | I just want healthcare man. What’s trumps concepts of a plan? We find that out yet? |
budgie
02.23.25 | i posted it above and you said yeah I’m not reading all that shit budgie
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Asdfp277
02.23.25 | "What’s trumps concepts of a plan?"
1. plan?
2. how much he's willing to destroy depends on how much healthcare companies are willing to pay him personally |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.23.25 | I’m just gonna assume it’s nothing good but I’ll give it a read |
budgie
02.23.25 | https://www.maynardnexsen.com/publication-president-trumps-latest-executive-orders-impacting-health-care theres more here
yeah its pure evil the fucker should be hung drawn and quartered |
Egarran
02.23.25 | Approval rating 48.5% |
Asdfp277
02.23.25 | same |
Snake.
02.23.25 | I have to pay $450 for one night in a hospital bed even after insurance under the biden regime |
smaugman
02.23.25 | news just in = more than 48.5% av americans are retarded |
Snake.
02.23.25 | “Approval rating 48.5%“
when do we stop with the “muh propaganda” song and dance and just admit that this country is just full of awful people |
ShadowRemains
02.24.25 | that should've been admitted in 2016
also nobody should have a billion dollars |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | lol we’re literally gonna have another pandemic aren’t we |
unclereich
02.24.25 | No |
Snake.
02.24.25 | oh we will but we’re not gonna shut anything down |
cycosynner
02.24.25 | Fucking terrified. Absolutely terrified. And very angry. |
NudeTayne
02.24.25 | "nobody should have a billion dollars"
[2] |
budgie
02.24.25 | counterargument
i should have a billion dollars |
NudeTayne
02.24.25 | just let me get like $50k bro |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | budgie can I get a milly |
NudeTayne
02.24.25 | nah don't give them any money, only me |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | shut up dumbass, don’t ruin it for me just because you were too much of a dummy to ask for more |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | I’ll cut you in on the racket 80/20 split |
budgie
02.24.25 | ill give NudeTayne a $1 scratcher |
NudeTayne
02.24.25 | well I won this shit life ig |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | by that metric I get a $20 one then |
budgie
02.24.25 | wildcard gets a giftbox containing two warm 40s of olde english and a single asparagus |
efp123
02.24.25 | He’s called budget for a reason |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | I’ll take what I can get. I think olde English is like 8% abv so that’s not a bad night, but drinking that shit and asparagus? My piss is gonna smell like mustard gas |
budgie
02.24.25 | oe is the business man how about some goddamn gratitude |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | I had it once in college because I wanted to drink a 40 for the novelty of it. Very efficient way to get trashed tho, two of them bitches is like 10-11 beers |
budgie
02.24.25 | once???? ive had olympic sized swimming pool amounts of 40s my god i weep for ur childhood |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | Ya chief I’m poor I have to buy liquor in bulk lol, pretty sure I kept AB in business between the years of 2018-2021 tho, I had four separate gas stations just stop asking for my id and two liquor stores lol |
NudeTayne
02.24.25 | WILD ID CARD BITCHESSSSS |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | yeah nothing more life affirming then when you go to pull out the id and they’re like shaking their arm at you and going nah, I got you.
Oh and I rock a baby face so it’s not even some kind of like oh he just looks old for his age thing. Nope just a complete alcoholic that looks like he’s 16 |
unclereich
02.24.25 | i stopped drinking beer before i turned 21 lol. was a gin man thereafter. |
Snake.
02.24.25 | god bless the philadelphia “comrade” eagles for not accepting a visit to see cheeto benito |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | the chiefs would’ve went lol |
Snake.
02.24.25 | https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230605171128-03-kansas-city-biden.jpg?c=original |
Rolling Girl
02.24.25 | Trying to find comfort where I can. It’s getting difficult. The fact that I was born here and now have a non zero chance of getting deported still feels unreal to me. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | surreal that I still have people trying to tell me this country isn’t racist. That’s honestly probably the most cruel thing this administration is aiming for.
I’m so sorry. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | @snake
Trump pardoned Reid’s kid, I know they went when Biden was in office but they probably would’ve gone this time too. |
Asdfp277
02.24.25 | my apologies rolling girl |
smaugman
02.24.25 | Wildcard, there is definitely a lot of systemic racism and racist individuals, but i disgree that deportations in itself is racist. That is just enforcing border control. Sorry if i misinterpret what you say |
Snake.
02.24.25 | how the fuck is border control not a symptom of systematic racism |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | and I mean, talking about ending birthright citizenship? Yeah, deporting people that were born here and lived their entire lives here is racist.
That said, I don’t think some kind of retroactive end to all birthright citizenship will happen, but I won’t be shocked when this administration tries it. Even as far right as the supreme court is, I don’t think every single conservative judge is crazy enough to go for that… just Thomas and Alito. There’s a special place in hell for them. |
Asdfp277
02.24.25 | i mean it seems like they're deporting people who had legal status too 🤷♂️ what an utter mess |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.24.25 | Oh so the immigration enforcement institution created in the wake of 9/11 is just racist?
I’m shocked, who could’ve seen this coming? |
Rolling Girl
02.24.25 | Appreciate it y'all.
It's not just about potentially ending birthright citizenship for me (unlikely but still scary). But if this administration is looking for people to deport and my name shows up on a list somewhere, will anyone in his administration even do their diligence to check my status? I was born and raised here, but is that even enough anymore? Makes me scarred for my family too. |
AnimalForce1
02.24.25 | I still can't get over the fact that the White House Instagram just up and declared Trump a king |
vult
02.24.25 | i used to LOVE getting 40s in college - Evil Eye was a brand I remember really liking
where do they deport a legal citizen to? do they just look at the person and blindly guess a country?? |
JeetJeet
02.24.25 | "I still can't get over the fact that the White House Instagram just up and declared Trump a king"
The White House twitter account posted a deportation video and called it ASMR. Pure evil heartless shit. Whoever voted for this needs their ass beat. |
budgie
02.24.25 | "how the fuck is border control not a symptom of systematic racism
is this a serious comment |
smaugman
02.24.25 | @snake, i dont understand how you can say that? enforcing a border policy in which you dont allow just anyone in is absolutely not racist haha, it's about controlling who comes and goes in your country...when immigrants enter a country without doing it the legal way, why shouldn't they be deported? |
budgie
02.24.25 | i think some "leftists" spend so much more time dealing with right wing politics than left wing politics that they actually transform into the extreme fox news concept of a leftist like unironically supporting open borders or thinking 9yos should be able to transition or that a surgeon should be obligated to abort a fetus at literally any time after viability for any reason. it's fascinating |
bigweinerdon
02.24.25 | Liberals love calling anything and everything systemic racism. You fuckin dorks |
budgie
02.24.25 | did you actually name yourself after donald trump or is it just an unfortunate coincidence
imagine how weird it would b if my handle was bigclitclinton actually that would be kinda funny carry on |
BallsToTheWall
02.24.25 | The only thing I know about American politics is that I’ve pissed off both parties by being ignorant as all
Hell. |
Egarran
02.24.25 | Did you actually name yourself after an Accept album or is it just an unfortunate coincidence? |
BallsToTheWall
02.24.25 | Yes. |
jrlikestodance
02.24.25 | The internet is where nuance goes to die |
budgie
02.24.25 | omg how did i never make that connection balls |
ShadowRemains
02.24.25 | "Liberals love calling anything and everything systemic racism. You fuckin dorks"
explain why people voted for trump even when his plan is worse for the economy and far worse for everyday americans then |
smaugman
02.24.25 | Both sides have very mani charicatures and ignorant voters but republicans are all either stupid or evil. Heavy leftists are just naive |
BallsToTheWall
02.24.25 | Thats a good one budgie. I’ve fucked up more than I should have. And still do sadly. All
I can say is I need to stop being a Florida man and use whatever amount of brain cells I have left in a positive and constructive manner. To everyone. |
budgie
02.24.25 | all u need 2 do to repent is 2 donate 2 ur local bird sanctuary & do sushi & horror every weekend |
BallsToTheWall
02.24.25 | If they ever hosted a Chapelle styled racial draft I wouldn’t be drafted by anyone. I’d be on the waiver wire. Permanently. |
budgie
02.25.25 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnx-SqMYknI @wild |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.25 | “when immigrants enter a country without doing it the legal way, why shouldn't they be deported?”
we should be tackling the issue of how difficult it is to get into this country and stay here legally. In theory, I’m not particularly thrilled with border enforcement but I understand why it’s necessary. In theory, I don’t really have a problem with the police either. See where I’m going with this?
“unironically supporting open borders or thinking 9yos should be able to transition or that a surgeon should be obligated to abort a fetus at literally any time after viability for any reason. it's fascinating”
I feel like the last two are only terminally online people. I don’t know anyone irl that thinks a child should be allowed to have permanent gender affirming surgery or thinks that someone 9 months pregnant should be able to terminate the kid mid labor. Borders? Idk, I feel like I already answered that one. But I certainly know people that don’t think borders are necessary. But I’ve got news for conservatives, those people sure as fuck aren’t democrats |
budgie
02.25.25 | "or thinks that someone 9 months pregnant should be able to terminate the kid mid labor.
the state of oregon !
but total lack of restrictions doesn't bug me as long as surgeons can elect to opt out without any real issue. can't imagine how fucking traumatizing it would be to have to terminate post viability kids multiple times
|
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.25 | Damn really? Portland has a strong hold on that state. I’ll have to look that up. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.25 | Wait do you just mean if the mothers life is at stake? |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.25 | I can’t imagine many women want to carry a pregnancy to term and just be like “eh I don’t want it”
But then that only really reinforces my opinion that abortion and contraceptive access should be simple and free so we don’t have these dilemmas in the first place. Not this state by state bullshit |
budgie
02.25.25 | factcheck me but i remember a while back reading restrictions/allowances by each state and i recall that oregon and maybe one other have absolutely zero restrictions, at least by the state government, maybe there are other restrictions by hospital or insurance or something |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.25 | But to be completely honest I don’t know a lot about child birth in general. I know that I don’t want kids and never had a reason to pay any attention to that shit since i know i sure as fuck can’t get pregnant. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.25 | Yeah I’ll be sure to do that, I don’t wanna spout misinformation about that everywhere like certain other groups. |
budgie
02.25.25 | & yeah, a lot of peeps harp about pushing for zero abortion restriction, but the real topic should be about making sure every citizen has free and immediate access to healthcare so they can just terminate early on without issue and not save up money to drive across state or whatever nightmare scenario american girls are finding themselves in |
budgie
02.25.25 | the system in france should be the model: everyone has healthcare access by virtue of being a citizen, it's effectively free for a lot of people so 99.99% of abortions happen early on, if you want abortion post viability you need two docs to sign off on the surgery, can't be just because you're bored and don't want it anymore, but can be because of mental distress or other legit medical issues |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.25 | ding ding ding
I don’t wanna go around killing babies like these dumbass evangelicals think. I mean, that’s why I always say “I just want healthcare”… that alone would solve so many problems. I don’t need a fucking communist utopia, just affordable housing and healthcare. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.25.25 | That’s why I pushed so hard for Bernie and why it’s been four years and I still think about it from time to time. He was the last viable option we had for anything good, at least for a long ass time. It’s not radical guys I promise. What we’re doing right now is radical. Shit, what we’ve been doing is radical. |
budgie
02.25.25 | yeah that campaign in 2015 was the last time i felt that maybe america has a good future
|
ShadowRemains
02.26.25 | house republicans just voted to gut medicaid and SNAP, jesus fucking christ, that is going to absolutely chernobyl in their faces (i hope) |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.26.25 | I get Medicare and Medicaid mixed up but when you mentioned SNAP I just should’ve known it was gonna fuck over poor people.
These fucking pieces of shit |
ConcubinaryCode
02.26.25 | Did the Republicans budget bill actually pass?
Don't worry guys, pretty soon no one is going to want to migrate here anymore. Must be Trump with that 5d chess I keep hearing about. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.26.25 | I mean it probably will. It all hinges on if they win these runoff elections right? |
ConcubinaryCode
02.26.25 | Trump "promised" to end social security too |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.26.25 | I mean I never expected to retire anyways. Guess I’ll just die when my body fully breaks down |
smaugman
02.26.25 | Wonder if europeans would be obsessed with «making it on your own» like republicans are if they europe was founded in the same way as USA with self sustained farmers and that whole thing |
Egarran
02.26.25 | Like the historian said, Europe’s history is so rooted in monarchy, aristocracy, and communal governance that even if it had a settler-colonial period like the U.S., those traditions - and the opposition to them - would still have shaped the culture. Also, the sheer density of Europe compared to the wide open spaces of North America would have made self-sufficiency less feasible. |
NudeTayne
02.26.25 | who is "the" historian just curious |
Egarran
02.26.25 | It's a robot. |
NudeTayne
02.26.25 | I just be saying shit too bro nbd |
zakalwe
02.26.25 | England was a republic for a few years, fucked it off and re-installed a monarchy.
1600s > |
NudeTayne
02.26.25 | England lost to some drunk farmers |
Egarran
02.26.25 | I don't see no shit tayne ngl robot historians are obviously superior. |
smaugman
02.26.25 | 25% toll an european commodities :D |
zakalwe
02.27.25 | What a carve up |
DoofDoof
02.27.25 | 'I mean I never expected to retire anyways.'
Fuck that shit I've seen too many people die on the job, my old boss died of cancer and only stopped coming into the office three months before he was gone. He was 61.
Saving like a demon now to go early, before I hit 55, freedom. 36 or 37 years of work will have been enough. |
SitarHero
02.27.25 | "Trump is a necessity, shaken it all up. We were all sleep walking to disaster."
Now we're doing a speed run. Yay. |
osmark86
02.27.25 | I hope whoever wrote this is willing to put his/her life on the line if this "necessity" leads to an international armed conflict like a true believer in shake ups. |
zakalwe
02.27.25 | I’m with ya doof |
osmark86
02.27.25 | Yeah I'd like a pension too at some point, but unless we have a younger population to support the system the retirement system is under more and more strain. The age is increased based on life expectancy as well and overdue an increase. Guess the solution is, as you say, to save like a demon to allow yourself to retire early assuming you have the means to do so. |
DoofDoof
02.27.25 | ‘I’m with ya doof’
Four more months of paying nursery charges (higher bill than our mortgage payment) - going to be a sweet day that ends. Seeing over 50% of the household income gone on just those two bills has been an arse clench and a half. |
DoofDoof
02.27.25 | osmark - until age 40 I really didn’t have much income available to save.
Been paying into a work pension since aged 21 and I’ve stayed at the same organisation my whole career despite changing jobs there three times, but I get that is a pretty rare circumstance.
The Australians have really reformed pensions, you pay a lot more into their schemes early so you actually end up with something that can support your cost of living in retirement. I know a lot of people in the UK who only started paying into one recently, aged over 35, and still putting in the bare minimum. That’s saying you’ll work until state pension age…68. ‘Healthy life’ expectancy is something like 65 in the UK…on average people have some sort of life altering condition after that age (type 2 diabetes would be a common one), yet you’re expected to work 3-5 more years. |
Demon of the Fall
02.27.25 | I pay into a pension, my employer does too. It's decent-ish but that's where it stops - I don't add any 'extra' / increase the payments. I'm not investing ANYTHING else in money that I'll likely never see. Work till I'm 70? I'll be lucky to SEE 70, or at least be healthy enough to enjoy it (like Doof says).
I'd rather pay off the mortgage as early as possible, that's the priority. It's a realistic goal currently and seems a much more valuable use of my resources |
DoofDoof
02.27.25 | Demon if you were in your mid twenties then I would say it would be better to do something else with that money than put it down on the mortgage, some sort of investment or business venture. Later on the mortgage is a good bet really though.
Once that nursery payment finishes the plan is half the monthly saving on that will pay off capital on the cursed mortgage each month. Can’t be too sure of anything with the UK economy right now though. |
zakalwe
02.27.25 | ‘Healthy life’ expectancy is something like 65 in the UK…on average people have some sort of life altering condition after that age (type 2 diabetes would be a common one), yet you’re expected to’
Exactly doof. The whole people ‘live longer’ nowadays claptrap fucks me right off.
Old age is no joke, the fact we are working till we drop is a massive factor in why things have gone to shit.
The whole ‘assisted dying’ thing also does not sit right with me, sold as ‘humane’ and ‘ethical’ while the bureaucrats are balancing the books. |
DoofDoof
02.27.25 | Yeah Zak, assisted dying in Canada has been ‘controversial’ let’s just say, certainly not something you’d roll out further based on their model.
Saying all that though, my mum would have been a multi millionaire and I doubt either my brother or me would have a mortgage if my mum’s parents had died just before they turned 90 - my granddad soldiered on to 91 but covid hit him bad, but my gran is 97 this week, she’s been having specialised dementia care in the home for 9 years now. Their time in the home has burned through a sweet £1.5 million of your Earth pounds…so far, £200k left approx, after that she’s at the mercy of the state.
She’s been effectively bed bound for six years now with a quality of life of absolute zip, she no longer has any lucid episodes, recognises no one, she will eat though (clearly!). Pure bodily survival instinct only. So not having assisted dying has maybe cost my mum being rich and potentially me really. Might be the price worth paying I’m not sure, politicians and courts in charge of such things is a potential shitshow. |
Groundking
02.27.25 | 'It’s kinda like not everyone who voted for Trump is a nazi but every nazi voted for Trump'
This is nonsense, the actual far right fucking hate Trump due to his endless cocksucking of Israel and Bibi. |
zakalwe
02.27.25 | Blimey Doof. The reality is absolutely brutal isn’t it.
My nan reached 91. The absolute epitome of old school (people on this site would have an absolute shit fit lol)
Everyone else in the family carks it from 50-70.
Me dad is 70 this year but has cancer, refusing all treatment. The system wears you down. |
DoofDoof
02.27.25 | My dad is quite livid, he’d spent that inheritance money in his mind basically - chatted to my granddad saying ‘take out insurance you live past 90’ which would have saved tens of thousands on their payments to the home, but my granddad wouldn’t have it, said he was very rich. My dad’s adjusted by selling the holiday home, and taking out loads of equity in their flat. Then you look and go…ah yeah no shits coming down this line, hence again why I really started saving. Can’t count on other shit, imo not even the state pension which looks vulnerable in its current form.
Sorry to hear about your dad Zak, my dad had two cancer scares and lost a third of his lung capacity (two lobes?) and still has a scar on his face but he’s been clear a few years now. His were ‘chop it out’ rather than chemo, chemo is fucking hard to go through again and again. |
zakalwe
02.27.25 | Lives lived. |
Groundking
02.27.25 | 'wages are quite literally a direct rationing of consumption my man.'
I've never read so much nonsense in my life, wages are directly linked to your productivity and you can only consume what you produce.
'technology is over half of the reason we are in this current mess'
This is just painful to read now, the only reason you are alive right now is because of technology. |
DoofDoof
02.27.25 | Yeah, actual rationing would be a literal rationing of consumption…let’s hope we never see that. |
Groundking
02.27.25 | Yep, shouldn't really expect American's to understand rationing of consumption considering everything they've experienced post WWII.
All the clowns in here calling for rationing of consumption who live in the grossly spoiled America would break very quickly if they had to live through any real rationing.
Just imagine what they'd be like if they had to live through the decade of rationing post WWII that our fathers and grandfathers had to live through lmfao. |
Groundking
02.27.25 | 'I don’t need a fucking communist utopia, just affordable housing and healthcare.'
You want capitalism then lmfao, the reason this shit is so expensive is because the government keeps meddling in both destroying competition (America's crazy zoning laws for housing and not insurance competition across state lines ontop of no requirement to advertise healthcare prices meaning firms collude and push prices upwards).
Singapore has free market healthcare and per capita spends almost 1/4th what Americans spend on it whilst getting significantly better outcomes. |
zakalwe
02.27.25 | innit |
Gameofmetal
02.27.25 | We just haven't had free enough capitalism yet guys just wait waiiiit
What a fucking dog for the boot. |
Hyperion1001
02.27.25 | that guy has the boots so deep in his mouth im surprised he hasn’t choked to death yet. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.25 | I made it abundantly clear that I already know regulation is the cause of all conflict, stop selling me so hard on unchecked capitalism daddy, it’s been working so well for us thus far |
Deathconscious
02.27.25 | Bro take the reigns off of the already powerful mega corporations bro, the magical market will fix everything! |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.25 | “ here’s what’s going to happen, we cut everyone’s health insurance, and the markets will adjust accordingly because libertarianism is a perfect and beautiful ideology, and then eventually going to the doctor for open heart surgery or chemo will cost $50.
Free market capitalism would never hurt anyone, think about all of the wars in history, they all have one thing in common… regulation. Every conflict in history has been caused by all the god damned regulation. French Revolution? Regulation. World War I? Regulation. World War II? Fucking regulation.
The job creators truly have the lower and middle class’ best interest at heart and we shouldn’t saddle them with all of this red tape.” |
botb
02.27.25 | Only ever see ground king post in political threads and it’s always the dumbest takes imaginable, go ahead and log off bud |
Deathconscious
02.27.25 | We already saw what unchecked capitalism looks like, this idiot wants child labor and unsafe working conditions and working seven days a week to come back. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.25 | Unions are the enemy |
Rolling Girl
02.27.25 | Look, the elites just need a littttttle bit more money. Once they have it then everything will be fixed. |
Faraudo
02.27.25 | I'm thinking about buying that $5M green card. What do you guys think? I have become meme |
ShadowRemains
02.27.25 | "ou want capitalism then lmfao, the reason this shit is so expensive is because the government keeps meddling in both destroying competition (America's crazy zoning laws for housing and not insurance competition across state lines ontop of no requirement to advertise healthcare prices meaning firms collude and push prices upwards).
Singapore has free market healthcare and per capita spends almost 1/4th what Americans spend on it whilst getting significantly better outcomes."
zoning laws for housing are usually because of NIMBY rich people lobbying against housing |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.25 | @faraudo don’t, idk where you’re coming from exactly but it can’t be much worse than how America is gonna be come next year |
Faraudo
02.27.25 | U guys are hitting me with tariffs wherever I go lmao. I'm Mexican/based in Mexico, but I also have a Spanish passport, and Spain is also getting hit with tariffs. The only choice left is to pay $5M. Nah but seriously, I think that Mexico will be fine in the coming years |
botb
02.27.25 | We’re gonna be coming across the border to you pretty soon |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.25 | I think you’re right, one of a few countries that actually elected a sensible option. I’m sure Trump is furious at having to deal with a Mexican woman in power who won’t bend over backwards to please his dumbass.
Everything I’ve seen about her seems like she’s great, wish we had her here. |
Colton
02.27.25 | “I think that Mexico will be fine in the coming years“
*fined |
Faraudo
02.27.25 | "We’re gonna be coming across the border to you pretty soon"
On vacation you're more than welcome lol, we're dealing with massive gentrification problems and my rent has increased significantly in the past few years due to that.
"Everything I’ve seen about her seems like she’s great, wish we had her here."
I actually did not vote for her, but since I live here and want the best for my country, I've given her the benefit of the doubt. Also, its pretty cool to have our first woman president. But yeah, so far she has not disappointed, quite the contrary. She's held her ground and proven to be smarter than the Trumpster (which is not that hard tbh), but besides that, I've really liked her tenure so far.
*fined
Lmaoooo |
Faraudo
02.27.25 | But yeah, unfortunately I feel like the US is kinda doomed. Like, genuinely cooked. The other day I saw a video uploaded to the official White House IG account, which was titled "ASMR: Illegal Alien Deportation Flight" and consists of various sounds such as chains, handcuffs, airplane engines and people walking. It is surreal how horrible and sociopathic things have gotten. |
Hyperion1001
02.27.25 | if we’re really being honest, it’s the end of the American empire, which was a long time coming. we probably deserve it.
i just hope whatever China replaces it with isn’t worse. |
Faraudo
02.27.25 | To me, the most dangerous thing Trump has done is to provide bigots/racists and idiots with a platform. He's enabling them and making them feel like intelligent people. It is symptomatic and its something that has been in the making for decades now, but it seems like its ready to explode. |
Kusangii
02.27.25 | Trump is a fucking psychopath and I can't believe Americans voted for that trash human again |
Faraudo
02.27.25 | I genuinely feel sorry for all the Americans who did not vote for him. |
jrlikestodance
02.27.25 | At least I got Autechre tix before America's downfall |
Faraudo
02.27.25 | A great sendoff, enjoy my man |
ShadowRemains
02.27.25 | it's not just trump, it's the people he puts in power that are *worse* than him (stephen miller, elon musk, russell vought, pat hagseth, kash patel, tom homan, etc.) that are the biggest problem
i'm becoming increasingly convinced that some of these people would happily commit mass atrocities against their fellow citizens to further their goals, it's already starting with the mass dehumanization and expulsion of minority groups, and that should terrify and infuriate *everybody* |
Faraudo
02.27.25 | I saw a Tiktok this morning with a guy that behaved like Trump's lapdog saying "Always say yes to the president, the president is always right" while laughing and smiling as if he was in a sketch, while RFK was simply standing idle in the background. |
Groundking
02.27.25 | 'Only ever see ground king post in political threads'
WTF are you on about? Less than 1% of my posts will be in political threads.
'We already saw what unchecked capitalism looks like, this idiot wants child labor and unsafe working conditions and working seven days a week to come back.'
Disingenuous much?
'The job creators truly have the lower and middle class’ best interest at heart and we shouldn’t saddle them with all of this red tape.'
Well done for not understanding that it's the red tape that creates the monopolies that then have free reign to abuse people.
'zoning laws for housing are usually because of NIMBY rich people lobbying against housing'
Soooo it's not a free market then?
'it’s the end of the American empire'
And thank fuck for that lmfao. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.25 | So you’re some kind of ancap? |
ovmunster
02.27.25 | I don't really care if the "American empire" dies, as long as western hegemony remains. I can adopt the customs of whatever EU/NATO country I relocate to. |
Groundking
02.27.25 | 'So you’re some kind of ancap?'
Nope |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.25 | sounds like you are to me |
Hyperion1001
02.27.25 | i think the word youre looking for is "rube" |
Deathconscious
02.27.25 | "Disingenuous much?"
Not at all. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.27.25 | “Dumbass” |
smaugman
02.28.25 | You dont want the «american empire» to die, you just want USA to be a normal country we can rely on… |
DoofDoof
02.28.25 | ‘i just hope whatever China replaces it with isn’t worse’
More surveillance, social crediting system, concentration/‘re-education’ camps for religions/ideologies deemed a threat? |
ShadowRemains
02.28.25 | that already happened in north america |
Hyperion1001
02.28.25 | the subtext of that comment was “it probably will be” lol. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.28.25 | can’t wait |
Gameofmetal
02.28.25 | The idea that capitalists want a free market rather than a monopoly (for them) is so funny. You'd have to enforce the free market with . . . government power, right? The robber barons don't want competition! |
Clefairy
02.28.25 | while america is caught up in the culture wars, there is only one actual war, the same war that's always existed: class war. culture war distracts all the morons in this country that thinks marginalized people are the enemy instead of the billionaires that have single handedly destroyed not just this country but the world. the doomer in me tells me it's too late to change shit. we're too far gone
also, free Palestine |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.28.25 | what does everyone think of Trump having a golden statue of himself built in the middle of the holy land?
I dunno. Sometimes I really think the only explanation is that I’ve already died and I’m just in hell. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.28.25 | Like, I’ve done a lot of drugs and drank a lot since I was a youngin so maybe my brain is shot but I’m pretty sure I remember learning that being a big no no |
Egarran
02.28.25 | There's a simple explanation (people are misinformed and badly educated but still comfortable) and an esoteric explanation (people are spellbound by magical warfare). The second clearly makes most sense but "noo we live in a rational society". |
zakalwe
02.28.25 | Trump and Vance have done themselves no favours in that sham broadcast meeting with Zelenskyy |
Faraudo
02.28.25 | So that just happened... |
Aerisavion
02.28.25 | "Like, I’ve done a lot of drugs and drank a lot since I was a youngin so maybe my brain is shot but I’m pretty sure I remember learning that being a big no no"
I feel like I had a similar reaction to that fever dream headfuck of a promo video. What is this alternative reality of nonsense that we seem to now be living in? |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.28.25 | It’s like the first time you do acid and you hit like hour six and you just want it to end, unfortunately most Americans bought the ticket now we all have to take the ride |
ReefaJones
02.28.25 | I can't wait for this old, fat, disgusting diaper wearing orange disgrace to humanity to die. Pissing on this freak's grave would be a waste of bodily fluids |
Aerisavion
02.28.25 | "It’s like the first time you do acid and you hit like hour six and you just want it to end, unfortunately most Americans bought the ticket now we all have to take the ride"
You know what, I remember doing acid once upon a time... and it DID feel like what American politics seems to be going through these days. |
Sunnyvale
02.28.25 | Don't think I've ever been so embarrassed to be American before like as that Oval Office meeting just made me feel - pair of schoolyard bullies lying nonstop and taunting an underdog trying to defend his country from a barbaric dictator, all the while claiming to represent me and fellow US citizens. Disgusting. JD Vance makes my skin crawl. |
fogza
02.28.25 | That's how I feel when I see Elon, I feel like I should apologize for my people |
zakalwe
02.28.25 | Careless and Juvenile |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.28.25 | JD Vance is really good at sucking cock, in that little suit with that guyliner. He really wants to be trumps favorite.
What a stupid time to be alive. |
someguest
02.28.25 | Indeed. If the orange menace knows how to be anything, it's stupid. |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.28.25 | asking him if he’s thanked trump since he’s visited… what does he have to thank Trump for lmfao mf hasn’t done shit. |
zakalwe
02.28.25 | Millennial as vice president |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.28.25 | should we call him a spineless wanker or something |
someguest
02.28.25 | I wouldn't let him near my couch |
BMDrummer
02.28.25 | working in a school for children with disabilities who get all of their funding through medicaid is fucking terrifying right now, the conversations at work from above have not been great at all and i honestly don't think any situation has ever pissed me off quite like this |
Wildcardbitchesss
02.28.25 | and then we have shit like this. My gf is in a similar boat, a lot of the people she helps are dependent on government programs. It’s fucking heartbreaking. I’ve been pretty down lately but I’ve never seen her so depressed.
I’ll try to crack jokes and keep my head up but it just feels fucking useless. I don’t know anymore. |
BMDrummer
02.28.25 | i can't tell if the legislators are even aware that those are the material consequences of such an action, you're essentially telling almost the entire American population of people with disabilities to go fuck themselves |
budgie
03.01.25 | americans hate eachother so nobody gives a shit really |
Hyperion1001
03.01.25 | we just watched the US cede all of its global soft power in real time. amazing and hilarious stuff.
i wonder how this is gonna resonate with the conservatives. i get the purpose for trump (help putin, enrich himself somehow), but what does this do for the republican party? the US is a laughingstock and its status as the leading global superpower is now dead and buried. is this their goal? i really dont fully understand the play here. |
budgie
03.01.25 | i peeped on r/conservative out of morbid curiosity and the general sentiment seems to be that zelenskyy is an ungrateful dictator and trump/vance were right to flex their business skillz and try to strongarm a better deal out of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0aD6QLTxQ
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Wildcardbitchesss
03.01.25 | I might regret asking this but how is he a dictator |
Faraudo
03.01.25 | I'm genuinely sorry guys, but I don't even know if calling all that embarrassing would do it justice |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.01.25 | Good song I’ll have to properly check them out |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.01.25 | Idk I’m not embarrassed, fuck him I didn’t vote for this shit
And I know what you meant this is how I cope |
Faraudo
03.01.25 | I don't think I've ever seen something like it, not even on his first tenure. That time the guy was terrible but at least he was meme material, now its different. |
Faraudo
03.01.25 | It is unfathomable that over 77M+ people voted for that, I'm at a loss here |
budgie
03.01.25 | "I might regret asking this but how is he a dictator
theres apparently a pipeline from RT to fox news LOL. |
ShadowRemains
03.01.25 | i have never been happier to not be an american than today (cut and paste this for the next 2+ years) |
ShadowRemains
03.01.25 | the best comment today i saw was "i would've been less embarrassed if j.d. vance just fucked the couch he was sitting on instead" |
Kusangii
03.01.25 | Lol fr if my president was anything like Trump I would be insanely worried for my country. A psychopath is the last person that should be president. |
DaveyMonsoon
03.01.25 | Unfortunately half of the U.S. is also filled with like-minded people who still support him even after everything he's said and done. |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.01.25 | JD is so fucking limp dicked. What a fucking cuck
And fuck his shitty book |
vult
03.01.25 | i feel so bad for zelensky |
Aerisavion
03.01.25 | The poor guy walked right into a setup. I'm amazed he had the measure of level headedness and restraint that he displayed in front of these two schmucks after three years straight of his people being systematically murdered.
Trump & JD hate him for a simple reason - they know they'll never even come close to 1% of the leader that Zelenskyy has shown himself to be, and this guy used to be a fucking comedian of all things. |
vult
03.01.25 | yeah trump and vance were screaming at him about nonsense and basically said he and his country were weak and needed help to survive and he stayed so calm and respectful. truly childish behavior, especially saying that zelensky was being disrespectful in front of the american media. |
ConcubinaryCode
03.01.25 | "theres apparently a pipeline from RT to fox news LOL."
Never forget fox news has a direct line to trump. The republican party has been compromised for a while. |
Gameofmetal
03.01.25 | Absolutely bawled laughing when someone brought up the baltics and trump said something stupid like "yeah tough neighborhood over there" clearly knowing nothing about the baltics lmao |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.01.25 | he called JD a bitch in Ukrainian lmfao |
Hyperion1001
03.01.25 | the american republican party have been the enemies of all life on earth for a long time now. theyre a christian nationalist death cult who are hellbent on destroying the planet and making life as miserable as possible for anyone who doesnt accept their dogma. they dont care about fixing anything because they all fully believe that rapture is coming and theyll all be saved. in fact, a lot of them seem to actively want to bring about the end times so they can finally see their absent god. |
Aerisavion
03.01.25 | The sheer ignorance of these two fuckwits (and other US political names) giving Zelenskyy shit for not wearing a suit is astounding.
This guy is taking precious time out of his extremely stressful position as the leader of a besieged country to visit the US while his people are being murdered every single day, and have continued to be for three years straight... and you're going to give him a hard time for not wearing a suit when barely a week earlier Elon Dickhead Musk was trapsing around the Oval Office in a t-shirt and cap (in his newfound UNELECTED position of immense political power, I might add...) with his son wrapped around his shoulders?
What an absolute joke. |
zakalwe
03.01.25 | The double standards are absolutely atrocious but the fella should have worn a suit.
I see he has bowled into Number 10 wearing the same clobber. Must reek. |
Aerisavion
03.01.25 | It's a solidarity move to show that he and the military of Ukraine are of the same mind, and are fighting the same war. That he is a part of this nightmare on every level, not a prim & proper politician who stands above it all and simply watches as the country he's supposedly leading is torn to pieces (a move that Winston Churchill also made during an infamous visit to the US during WW2, in which he was photographed wearing an air raid romper suit).
I suspect the US pressure to encourage Zelenskyy to don a suit is actually a far more calculated move than people are giving it credit. If I was a citizen of Ukraine and Zelenskyy was to appear on TV in other countries suddenly all spruced up, wearing an expensive suit and flashing a winning PR smile after three years of horror, I would wonder if my leader didn't suddenly have other things on his mind.
This was yet another attempt to discredit the leader of a besieged country in the eyes of his citizens, and he saw through it instantly:
"I will wear a costume when this war is finished." |
zakalwe
03.01.25 | ‘It's a solidarity move to show that he and the military of Ukraine are of the same mind, and are fighting the same war.’
If that’s not paper thin superficiality spun by PR I don’t know what it is.
You either do as your troops do and are actually in the trenches or you are a politician and do the politicking |
DaveyMonsoon
03.01.25 | I dunno about anyone else but I think Zelenskyy deserves a medal after that. Props to him for standing his ground against a bunch of grown men acting like toddler bullies. That entire meeting made my blood fucking boil. |
zakalwe
03.01.25 | Oh definitely. I’m on his side. The US has acted disgracefully I just think he should’ve worn a suit. |
Aerisavion
03.01.25 | Sure, I won't deny that there's a certain element of PR to it - but then again, war is full of PR. From propaganda pamphlets, to visits to other countries requesting support, to addressing your citizens as frequently as possible in the hope that you can quell their fears and reassure them of their safety.
War is full of PR, but the big difference between Trump and Zelenskyy is the simple fact that Zelenskyy has faced three years straight of Russian's attempting to kill him, whereas Trump appears to spend most of his time screaming at people like an angry child, playing golf, and nodding off in the middle of meetings or casually browsing his phone while Elon Musk takes control in the Oval Office.
I know which leader I would rather follow, PR moves or not. |
zakalwe
03.01.25 | Yeah I agree with that as well |
ShadowRemains
03.01.25 | zak you're posting some dumb shit right now, who the fuck cares what he was wearing |
ShadowRemains
03.01.25 | and moreover, the "reporter" who asked that was marjorie taylor greene's boyfriend, he's a fucking cunt |
zakalwe
03.01.25 | It’s the little things that irk.
You’re in the West Wing of the White House looking to sign a deal, wear a suit. |
Hyperion1001
03.01.25 | i wouldnt expect anything else from a brexit voter tbh |
Asdfp277
03.01.25 | shallow people be shallow |
Aerisavion
03.01.25 | In the grand scheme of things, when the superficial requirements of daily life falls away in the face of the brutality that is being continuously inflicted on your people, as you desperately attempt to defend yourself against a world power that used to be revered as one of the "scariest" countries in history because they threaten to nuke you every five seconds... a suit must seem trivial at that point.
If anything, the US politicians getting all flustered over a simple matter of dress code vs human beings getting slaughtered on a day-to-day basis is pretty damn telling of their mentality - they would rather focus on the materialistic, the superficial, the dress code, the things that don't actually matter.
Trump doesn't give a fuck about Ukraine, and he made that very clear. |
zakalwe
03.01.25 | The bomb may fall and I’ll turn to dust but I’ll be dapper, dignified and retain self trust. |
Aerisavion
03.01.25 | 'The bomb may fall and I’ll turn to dust but I’ll be dapper, dignified and retain self trust.'
And that's genuinely ok if you're a regular Joe who would rather go out with a bang still looking fly - if you want to face the nukes wearing the most exquisite suit you can get your hands on, fuck it. That's your choice to make for YOU.
But, if you've got an estimated 38 million people looking to you every single day for reassurance that they aren't going to be slaughtered... it's not the same. You aren't making choices just for you anymore.
Suits are the skins of politicians. In a time of war people don't want a politician, they want a leader. |
ShadowRemains
03.01.25 | "You’re in the West Wing of the White House looking to sign a deal, wear a suit."
you're under prolonged attack from a deranged dictator who now has friends inside that white house, who the actual *fuck* cares |
ShadowRemains
03.01.25 | fucking stupid ass posts |
vult
03.01.25 | “Should have worn a suit”
Meanwhile Trump is out in his goofy ass maga hat all the time |
ovmunster
03.01.25 | I thought we exhausted all the suit discourse with Obama's tan suit 10 years ago who truly still gives a shit |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.01.25 | “who truly still gives a shit”
[2] fucking losers care ig |
Asdfp277
03.01.25 | also not to be petty but a lot of the people complaining about suits and stuff both: (a) never dress well anyway, and (b) have terrible taste in fashion regardless, so |
Aerisavion
03.01.25 | “I thought we exhausted all the suit discourse with Obama's tan suit 10 years ago who truly still gives a shit”
Unfortunately the argument remains alive as ever. |
zakalwe
03.01.25 | Walk up to the King in a pair of shorts and flip flops.
Zelenskyy had come straight from the sauna as he needed to relax for a bit which was understandable in the circumstances.
The King understood as his arse was playfully whipped with a towel. |
Aerisavion
03.01.25 | If we’re referring to the UK ‘King’, I can assure you that the majority of us in the UK don’t give a fuck what Zelenskyy is wearing.
If we’re referring to the US, I hear the US constitution apparently isn’t fond of referring to yourself as ‘King’. |
Butkuiss
03.02.25 | Can you imagine if Zelenskyy wore a tan suit? |
zakalwe
03.02.25 | Sequin blazer |
DoofDoof
03.02.25 | If Trump gets the resources from Ukraine and dumps European security on Europe he’s pulled off a blinder for Uncle Sam tbh
If the EU genuinely wants to outright ‘win’ (regain territory, Russia loses appetite to retaliate) the conflict then they’re going to have to shit or get off the pot, a lot more weapons bought for Ukraine or even boots on ground (this would be bad). I think they’ll eventually get off the pot.
The gravy train is coming to an end on this one I feel.
My feeling is there will be a truce of some sort labelled as a peace deal as Trump really wants to have that win on his books and will be very favourable to Putin…but Europe will be really stupid to not push to increase military spending. Then likely it’d be a few years of peace, maybe see out Trump’s time in office, then Russia will have another nibble. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | i think it's absoutely hilarious and a little frightening how zalenskyy is being painted as a hero. he's literally just demanding more money for more war. he's not open to peace talks. meanwhile everyone on social media is like "whoa trump and vance are clowns for disrespecting him". ppl actively pushing towards a potential ww3 scenario. so fkn stupid, i jsut need to not engage with 95% of people |
Colton
03.02.25 | you can up that to 100% |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | I suppose I can assume you’re also in support of a world war |
Colton
03.02.25 | I believe you can assume that yeah |
Hyperion1001
03.02.25 | oh god gyro is posting time to delete the thread. |
zakalwe
03.02.25 | It’s the complete lack of diplomacy Gyro.
Shambolic that these are the people involved in leading ‘the free world’ |
Voivod
03.02.25 | @Gyromania
Ukraine has been invaded by a country that seeks to re-establish the Iron Curtain at the very least.
Security guarantees is what's in order, it's what will bring peace.
US administration is shooting its feet, because p and vp are acting purely out of self interest. |
Hyperion1001
03.02.25 | don’t take the bait voivod. gyro only posts on this website in bad faith because he’s a miserable loser who copes with being a waste of space by fishing for negative attention. if we just ignore him maybe he’ll stop posting altogether. |
Voivod
03.02.25 | ^^Gyromania sees p and vp as Republicans, and posts as such.
Party segregation tactics in the US, is what brought you and the whole world in this position.
Republicans allowed the goons to take over, and Democrats created the conditions for Republicans to be taken over by goons. |
Colton
03.02.25 | gyro is definitely one of those canadians who wants to be the 51st state |
smaugman
03.02.25 | gyro you are mad cringe. invading a country and occupying land and then negotiating peace so you can incorporate that area into your country is an old trick, and you think that zelensky is a war mongerer because he doesn't want russia to have the upper hand in negotations. |
Gameofmetal
03.02.25 | It's genuinely impressive how gyro has been so consistently wrong about everything for like a decade plus here, jesus christ. Gets cooked on repeat and keeps coming back for more. |
Hyperion1001
03.02.25 | It’s a common approach for miserable fucks like him. they internalize and feed on the negative reactions because they’ve given up on having normal, pleasant interactions with other decent human beings. it’s the “negative attention is better than no attention”.
what’s funny is that it’s kind of a microcosm of conservative mindsets in the 21st century. they stand for nothing but misery and hatred, so the only way they feel connected to the world is by taking pleasure in the misfortune of the people that rejected them. modern conservatism for the general population is based on nothing but resentment and hatred and gyro is a perfect example of how that mindset poisons your soul and turns you into a miserable, sad sack of garbage. |
Gameofmetal
03.02.25 | You're out of line but you're right, holy lmao |
ovmunster
03.02.25 | Isn't Gyro Canadian himself? Lmao. |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.02.25 | My balls kinda hurt right now I think I might be dying |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | lol all of you retards literally want to push us into world war 3, out of some sense of morality. Because justice? Absolutely wild shit.
Also the vast majority of you probably went thinking Ukraine was a trash country rife with corruption prior to Russia invading. There’s a documented history of anti Ukraine journalism and media presence, and then suddenly overnight social perception is radically changed. You kids are so mind fucked by the media.
Where’s the critical thinking in any of these discussions? It’s literally just “us vs them mentality. Cass in point, ovmunster implying Canadians can’t or shouldn’t think this way. You’re Canadian, therefore you should think x thing. Absolute bot comment lol |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Also Hyperion trying to make me look like the toxic one while directly attacking me and trying to tear down my character. Yeah, I’m the miserable one. You never seemed capable of arguing an actual point, it’s all just personal insults, all the time, because people like you can’t attack the points so you attack the person |
Hyperion1001
03.02.25 | because people like you have to realize that we have all given up having any rational interactions with you. you can’t argue a position with logic and rational thinking that didn’t come from logic and rational thinking. all your position amounts to is making everyone else on earth as miserable as you are. you stand for nothing, you don’t have any goals other than destroying what already exists. you have active distain for anyone that sees building a better future for all of mankind.
people like you are enemies of all life on earth and now that the mask is off to the rest of the western world, your positions and your ideologies have been relegated to the same side of history as all of the most evil regimes and people on record. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | That whole statement is so insane on the face of it that I don’t even know how to engage you seriously. That whole “well, we’ve tried with you before and it didn’t go well” argument is the most brain dead nothing statement ever. Try debating the current point which I’ve given my take on, you literal monkey. I said I think his position is bad and could ignite world war 3, and you immediately come in here and throw out insults and then try to compare “my side” (which I don’t have, because I’m not some fucking chimp who sees the world and though a black and white lens with 0 nuance) to “evil regimes”. Just call me a Nazi, you complete npc. You know you want to, it’s all you people know how to do when anyone disagrees with you on anything ever. All that hatred and misery etc is bs you project onto other people, because you’re a 30+ something man child who crumbles at the sight of any dissenting opinions. |
smaugman
03.02.25 | you know there won't be a world war. we know it. it is only russia vs. ukraine, and russia knows europe will come crashing down on them if they try to invade a NATO member. |
smaugman
03.02.25 | republicans and american conservatives are so deep in the sauce, very sad |
Gameofmetal
03.02.25 | Gyro is literally case in point proof of what hyp's been saying, this motherfucker has never won a poli debate on this (music) website in 15 years and is still earnestly throating the rightie echo chamber's cock. Gets debunked over and over and just digs in deeper to the death cult. |
Hyperion1001
03.02.25 | gyro I mean this in the most sincere way I possibly can, please stop posting on this website, for the sake of all of us. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | If the conflict continues to escalate there’s possibility for a world war. Russia could try to invade a NATO country, and even if they didn’t have the military might to get far enough they could still launch us into a nuclear war. The point is: I don’t think peace talks should be off the table. I think every little bit that escalates this situation puts us at further risk, not to mention war is a senseless waste of lives in the first place. I also think Russia had reasons to be suspicious but I completely disagree with them for warring over it. It’s a case of: Russia is in the wrong but not being receptive to talks of a ceasefire is rly rly bad. I also am not a Trump Stan. I think someone in a role as important as his shouldn’t be such a fucking troll all the time. I think he’s extremely unprofessional and I’ve disagreed with many things he’s said and done over the years. Again tho there’s just this perception of me as being far right. All it is with people these days is you’re either this or that |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | I absolutely love how after my comment on how most of you are just posting personal attacks devoid of any substance or anything relevant to the topic at hand, and Gameofmetal comes in and regurgitates the same dumbass comment he left before. Who “wins” a political debate? Everyone just ends up entrenched in their opinions and thinking they won. Your critical thinking skills - they blow.
Shoutout to smaugman tho. Pretty sure you’re a dick to me itt but at least you can seemingly discuss the issue and not just resort to rage induced hateposting |
Hyperion1001
03.02.25 | it’s almost like no one here likes you. read the room man. |
Gameofmetal
03.02.25 | It's hard to feel sympathy for you when I've watched you get blown the fuck out of every political argument you've ever entered here and still come back so arrogantly, it's gotta be a fetish thing. |
Gameofmetal
03.02.25 | The quick serious answer is the WW3 fearmongering continues to linger despite the clear situation that NATO countries won't go boots on the ground and Russia won't invade a NATO country, been 2-3 years, it's not gonna turn into a nuclear war at this rate. Ukraine just needs security guarantees against the country that invaded them and literally kidnapped thousands of children. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Tell me which political arguments I’ve lost. Give me objective evidence that I lost any argument on this site, because most of this shit is pretty subjective and open to interpretation.
Hyperion you rly just can’t stop can you? Even Gameofmetal can get back on track and you still just resort to bullying. Rly good way to show me how not toxic you and your “side” are. Just don’t address me from now on if your mental is this weak. |
MillionDead
03.02.25 | Which is super fair. Zelenskyy has every reason to call Putin's trustworthiness into question, and that point was when Trump and Vance started berating him. Clearly Trump has more interest in appeasing Putin and doesn't want to publicly associate with any kind of criticism of him. It's all in bad faith. |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.02.25 | “Just call me a Nazi, you complete npc.”
nazi |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.02.25 | million continues his kill streak keep at em sir |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Yeah that’s fair to say Gameofmetal. Maybe nothing comes of it, it’s a possibility. I think WW3 is a possibility too. Did I just get blown out of the water again? These are the debates we have. You have your opinion, I have mine. They are just opinions at the end of the day tho. A lot of economists and journalists and all kinds of people claimed WW2 wouldn’t happen. We’ve been wrong countless times throughout history and with Putin in charge idk if rolling the dice is the best option. Trying to get other countries to come to the table to come to some form of resolution seems like the best option for everyone, I think. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | I agree he has the right to call it into question, Million. So what’s the solution, because I don’t think continuing to fund a war is the best path forward |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.02.25 | that’s not at all what Trump is doing tho fam, you make it sound like zelenskyy was in the wrong for calling them cunts, which they are. |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.02.25 | If we cede ground to Russia that sets a terrible precedent going forward |
Deathconscious
03.02.25 | "because I don’t think continuing to fund a war is the best path forward"
"I don't think continuing to *fund a country's defense against a hostile land grab invasion* is the best path forward. I think it would be better if they just gave up their country to the imperialists."
Clown shit. |
Gameofmetal
03.02.25 | Trump seems to just want an immediate deal so he can flaunt it, but Ukraine is giving up a lot of territory and not getting security guarantees if they take it, Putin would be getting off scot free with a big land grab. |
Deathconscious
03.02.25 | "Trying to get other countries to come to the table to come to some form of resolution seems like the best option for everyone, I think."
Except the problem is Putin won't accept any deal that doesn't involve an occupation of Ukraine. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | A lot of Russia’s reasons for invading are rooted in imperialism and wrapped in propaganda. Except for NATO expansion, that one is actually kind of real. Like guys I am not on Russia’s side and I also see why Ukraine wouldn’t want to concede land and be perceived as getting bullied. I get the paranoia about the future too: cede a little here and maybe they take a lot more in the future. But this can’t be a zero sum game. We’re so fucking bad at reflecting on our history and seeing how utterly pointless war is. There has to be compromises that can be made. This was the whole point: let’s find a way to make everyone happy, end the senseless destruction and loss of lives |
Gameofmetal
03.02.25 | Also people act like we're just pouring tax dollars into their hands, from an imperialist US supremacy view funding them is great because we're offloading old equipment and generating a lot of jobs and production state wide building new armaments. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Death context is tricky eh? Because that was never my position itt |
MillionDead
03.02.25 | Why should we play soft ball with Russia after they started a completely unjust war, but bully the country that's there victim? It's almost like Trump and Putin planned out the deal beforehand. Zelenskyy isn't in the wrong here. The supportive response from just about every other democratic nation around the world is indicative of that much. The deal Trump wanted to cut gives the US important mineral rights in the Ukraine and he wants that to imply that the US business interests present in the Ukraine will keep Russia from further aggression, but that is simply not enough. Your position should be that Trump should stop doing tricks on Putin's dick. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Game: maybe Ukraine agrees to neutrality but they still get some kind of security guarantees, or they get economic support to rebuild. And yeah I agree that not all the money is actual money it’s obviously a lot of surplus gear and what not, and yeah that stimulates jobs etc. I don’t think all this shit is purely altruistic tho, back when Biden was dealing with them or Trump now. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | I agree that in its current format the deal isn’t good enough. I think it could be made better by certain assurances though, and maybe get to a place that’s more realistic, because endless warring is just a bad option |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.02.25 | I don’t think anyone is advocating for endless war lmao
We just all recognize that deal was bullshit. There’s a lot of middle ground between those two things… |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Didn’t Zelenskyy officially say he’d only settle for Russia’s defeat? Because that = war |
Beardog
03.02.25 | "because I don’t think continuing to fund a war is the best path forward"
"I don't think continuing to *fund a country's defense against a hostile land grab invasion* is the best path forward. I think it would be better if they just gave up their country to the imperialists."
Clown shit. [2] |
Beardog
03.02.25 | Million you get it my dude |
Gameofmetal
03.02.25 | In the meeting he was talking about getting them to pay compensation for the rebuild, which is probably not gonna happen. Pretty much no matter what Ukraine is taking a loss because they'll never be able to get Russia to do what should be done. I'm not against a quick peace deal, but it's not really for me to tell Ukrainians they can't continue to fight to take back the stolen territory and their stolen people. Far as I know they're still polling in favor of continued fighting. |
DoofDoof
03.02.25 | 'Far as I know they're still polling in favor of continued fighting.'
According to a Gallup poll it's 50/50...50% of Ukrainians want peace right away even if it means giving away land to Putin.
I imagine they'd want a very strong international security deal to make sure the same doesn't happen again though :/
It looks like there is high support for a big compromise in a deal for peace among Ukrainians anyway...you imagine as war rolls on that figure would only get higher in favour of accepting any peace deal. Russia have the stamina for that sort of attrition I'd imagine. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Yeah Beardog, would be such a slam dunk if it was accurate to what I was saying. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Game: pretty sure it’s 50/50 or close to. If it’s dramatically one sided then idk but propaganda def plays a role in public perception.
Also - see, isn’t this better? Actually having a discussion like human beings instead of trying to be internet bullies.
Edit: doof beat me to it |
Beardog
03.02.25 | Wasn't aimed at you buddy, the overall sentiment is completely degenerate and the quote is good so I resputted it. |
efp123
03.02.25 | surprised you guys are still playing volleyball in here with all this bs lmfao |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | How is it not aimed at me? The quote is a direct misrepresentation of what I was saying lol |
Beardog
03.02.25 | idgaf what you are saying, it's not aimed at you. I just wanna make clear I completely agree with the sentiment of the 'anti-war' blokes that literally want Putin to get away with imperialism and think he will stop after getting his land. Lmfao talk to the Czechs you dimwits. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Who’s saying they want russia to get away with imperialism? The reason I said that IS aimed at me is because nobody is claiming that, rather trying to misrepresent my opinions. I haven’t seen anyone online yet say they think Russia is in the right here or that we should just let them take what they want when they want. The idea behind the peace talks is to find a compromise for everyone that doesn’t involve blowing each other up. |
DoofDoof
03.02.25 | Gyro - there’s a possibility that given enough time Ukraine could slowly lose…people seem to not acknowledge this potentially devastating end game. The old world order might have been the US policeman steps in but that might be an outdated notion with or without Trump… |
Beardog
03.02.25 | I hope the perceived plan to weaken Russia will continue and we ignore Trump's deal with Putin. I didn't think of it before, but the war is, stupid as it is, good for the industry and thus the economy. Eventually Ukraine has to decide if they want to defend but Europe for sure must do everything they can to help the country take their land back if they want to. |
DoofDoof
03.02.25 | Europe is incredibly dysfunctional, militarily there are some good eggs now like Poland, Finland, Sweden, Turkey (who knows)…some other countries making favourable noises like the UK, maybe France too…then a load of possible shirkers.
We will see, I hope Europe take this seriously but money talks and Europe is a basket case right now. |
Beardog
03.02.25 | yeah, that's what scares me too Doof. But after what Trump did there is finally some urgency. I think this was all a 5D chess move by him to get Europe to increase their NATO contributions haha (or it was Mark Rutte!!) |
DoofDoof
03.02.25 | Beardog - that's definitely part of the situation, not the whole picture, but that's part of it - I don't think Trump is entirely bluffing on massively reducing US funding for Ukraine if things don't go his way with a rushed 'peace plan'.
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Gyromania
03.02.25 | I think if Russia declared war on the US it would be a disaster. People will look at military might, and sure the US has the better military but if a war was waged it would be fought with weapons thousands of times stronger than the atomic bomb. Like the size of any given military is pretty irrelevant once you factor in weapons whose potential damage is far beyond our comprehension. I still maintain that making a deal is the best possible option, and if Russia walks it back in the future, we deal with it then. |
Beardog
03.02.25 | Why the fuck would Russia declare war on the US, they want this deal you are speaking of and get Ukraine's riches the freest they can get it at this moment. Making a deal now that Russia is becoming weaker and weaker cannot be good. Europe has done the bare minimum, if Ukraine can and is willing to fight they should get all the support they need to weaken Russia further and further. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | Ideally yeah, but if the US were to continue funding them and send a clear message that they’re against Russia moving forward. Idk man, tensions are high and I think the climate is ripe for all kinds of chaos. Ukraine is losing men, and it’s gonna get to a point where they don’t have enough people to fight. It was mentioned earlier that a lot of the funding is through weapons and supplies, not so much in terms of actual soldiers |
Beardog
03.02.25 | I think Russia would need something a bit more serious to start nuking. I think that Russia will not do anything stupid unless EU/US invades Russia, which will NEVER happen lol. Perhaps if we wanna reclaim Crimea Russia will go insane, but I don't think the west will ever try that. |
Beardog
03.02.25 | And yeah, eventually we will need to start sending men if we are not gonna send a material deathblow to Russia I fear. |
zakalwe
03.02.25 | I’ve signed up, I’m going to Ukraine.
Wish me luck lads. |
Beardog
03.02.25 | Thank you for your service |
zakalwe
03.02.25 | To the tailoring industry.
I’m going to show them how to look sharp in a suit. |
Gyromania
03.02.25 | I’m actually going as well. I got to Celestial in Marvel Rivals and I’ve been a top 500 GM overwatch player before, so I’m gonna help with strategy. I know a lot about good flanking and positional awareness |
DoofDoof
03.02.25 | I've been really getting into drone recently...so drone warfare seems the logical next step. |
Beardog
03.02.25 | I think we should all just be reccing some good music to the soldiers, use our talents!! |
Chippe
03.02.25 | My closest friend can join Russia, his taste sucks |
Egarran
03.02.25 | Trump is such a good antichrist though. |
efp123
03.02.25 | grats on the 666th comment egg face |
smaugman
03.02.25 | never cede to russia, not on their terms. bastard country which needs to be isolated from europe |
Butkuiss
03.02.25 | Actual honest question have people who are for the “quick peace deal at any cost” thing never heard of Neville Chamberlain? |
vult
03.02.25 | Maybe Ukraine can wait out Putins death but I fear that the worse his condition gets, the more drastic he’ll be. |
Dewinged
03.02.25 | American politics feel like a House of Cards spin off with no budget and terrible actors. |
Beardog
03.03.25 | Yep Butkuiss, kinda what I tried to mention with the Czechs. This 'appeasement' tactic didn't work then, and Putin knows it haha
@Vult I think that is a fair fear. |
budgie
03.03.25 | someone rang? |
DoofDoof
03.03.25 | 'This 'appeasement' tactic didn't work then, and Putin knows it haha'
Could be true, I still don't think Putin is Hitler though - it has been said he's 'bad, but not mad' and I think that's accurate.
I don't think world, or even European, domination is on his mind, just reasserting some of the strength of the USSR. If net zero were to really take off then suddenly if fossil fuels are your major asset then you could struggle, and I do think resource grabs in terms of food production and mining are a factor for Putin.
It is interesting he has done a deal with North Korea, does add a little more fuel to the 'new axis of evil'/'anti-West' (named depending where you're coming from) theories I suppose, still seems a little far fetched, as ever China are the unknown. |
smaugman
03.03.25 | many russians have a disgusting, outdated worldview in which they are actually a powerful nation because they have nukes and a large country, and believe they rightfully "own" previous USSR countries because they used to be part of the russian empire. it's like germany threatening to invade kalinigrad because it used to be Prussia. just fucking accept the borders like they are, money is made through trade, not just owning the most land possible |
smaugman
03.03.25 | and yes i know about minerals in ukraine |
Egarran
03.03.25 | >I don't think world, or even European, domination is on his mind, just reasserting some of the strength of the USSR.
Agreed. But most politicians don't. They want an army that can win WW3. And it's really hard for people to argue against that. So we're going to spend about a trillion on stuff that can kill lots of people, just to feel safer. |
TheSonomaDude
03.03.25 | cant wait to get drafted. hopefully they issue me a beltfed machine gun! i hear the mountains of ukraine are quite nice. |
Groundking
03.03.25 | 'If we cede ground to Russia that sets a terrible precedent going forward'
Do tell how at this point WITHOUT Nato troops on the ground officially there can be any outcome other than ceding ground to Russia? |
Egarran
03.03.25 | Please give us your analysis of the Trump/Zelensky meeting. |
Deathconscious
03.03.25 | "it has been said he's 'bad, but not mad' and I think that's accurate."
Nah, invading Ukraine was actually an insane thing to do. |
DoofDoof
03.03.25 | He miscalculated badly for sure. |
