Pikazilla: Pika's POKEMON GENERATIONS RANKING

Pikazilla 09.03.21	Someone add Sw/Sh to the database pls inb4 zak: "back in my day we were collecting stds, not pokemon"
JohnnyoftheWell 09.03.21	What in the fuck No Almost yes Swap Gens 4 and 5 and embrace that epic Mt. Cornetto ascension rn this minute how dare you
Morningrise767 09.03.21	1. Gen 2 2. Gen 1 3. Gen 3 4. Everything else
Pikazilla 09.03.21	You have to bring an army of bidoof to conquer Mt Cornetto Also I will always call it that now
kalkwiese 09.03.21	Wow, gen 5 highest? For real? I mean, it has some cool ideas, but I have some serious gripes with if. Like, you can't plant berrys, wtf. But it has some cool shit going on
kkarron 09.03.21	Gen 5 makes me want to kill myself. Pokemon in general works better with less graphical fidelity, I feel. You can really let your own imagination run loose. Also best design is gen 1 Golbat, hands down https://www.pngitem.com/pimgs/m/23-237183_pokemon-gen-1-golbat-sprite-hd-png-download.png
kalkwiese 09.03.21	Yea, I feel like pokemon loses something with 3D models tbh. The more cartoony style of gen 4 worked really well
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Gen 5 was cartoony too though. Also B2/W2 region map is objectively the best, come on now
Scheumke 09.03.21	Agreed with more of this than I would've thought. Yes gen2 had the best games, yes gen1 is the goat but I get the gen5 number 1. For me personally it would be gen1,2,5,3 -> everything else. But there's a HUUUUUGGEE nostalgia bias here. First generation was pretty much marketed for me at the time as a 10 year old. I think I literally played my Pokemon Blue to death. Still have it but I don't think it works anymore.
Trifolium 09.03.21	Nicely unique look on things!! I was so ready to say GEN 2 is toooo looooow, but I'm happy with the Best game in the series-remark. Also shocking how not-shocking GEN 5 being 1 is when looking from a roster point of view! Wow.
JohnnyoftheWell 09.03.21	B2/W2 map is p good but Sinnoh trumps all and if we're talking that specific roster being the best, I can maybe abide, but gtfo with that B/W fanwagoning. zoomer influx.
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Yes, same here Scheum! I started with Pokemon Red back in the day, so there's definitely a nostalgia bias here. @Trif, yes my ranking is more roster and map related. HG/SS are the best Pokemon games as far as overall experience goes.
Demon of the Fall 09.03.21	gen 5 being no.1 is kind of based (especially the sequels), although I feel like you're too harsh on 6/7. The designs for Sw/Sh are generally awful from what I've seen - never played 'em though. Most gens have fairly balanced good/bad design ratio actually, they're a lot closer than anyone is likely willing to admit. gen 2 remakes for the win, then gen 5 v2. I like them all, but it gets tricky to rank after that.
kalkwiese 09.03.21	"Gen 5 was cartoony too though. Also B2/W2 region map is objectively the best, come on now" Yea, I didn't wanna leave out gen 3 and 5 lol. I like 2D pokemon best
kkarron 09.03.21	"Muk and Voltorb aren't much better." yeah those two were actually written into the, uh, """"story"""" though. Grimers and Muks polluted ponds while Voltorbs could ambush you when you thought you were picking up an items. Then again I don't fucking know maybe some new game has you unlocking buildings with Klefki. Stick it in harder daddy yeeeeh.
Demon of the Fall 09.03.21	Also B2/W2 region map is objectively the best, come on now (2). This I agree with.
combustion07 09.03.21	I've only played 8,4 and 3. For me those go 4,3,8. Silver was my shit back then
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Combustion, you've never played Ruby/Sapphire? You really missing out, man.
dedex 09.03.21	mmmmh i should play B2/W2, only played the og one also yes gen 2 best game
kalkwiese 09.03.21	Can you plant berries in B2/W2?
Parallels 09.03.21	gen 2 > 1> 3 > 4 > 7 (im a sucker for the ultra beast/lusamine plots) > 8 > 6 > 5 nothing personnel tho https://imgur.com/a/ZV34TRP
SteakByrnes 09.03.21	Gen 5 is the best yea hell yea pika
Tundra 09.03.21	why is your taste in pokemon generations so good but your taste in music is so shit?
nightbringer 09.03.21	Honestly, gen 1 would probably be bottom for me now. I can't imagine ever playing through it again. Terrible balancing, appalling move pools, the quality of life features are non-existent. I mean, I was a kid through pokemania in the 90s but the early gens are actually not that great. Even gen 2, which I adored at the time, is pretty hard to play these days. It's so damn slow. Takes you forever to learn a move and when you do it's like slash at lv 35. All the wild pokemon and trainers are super weak. Urgh. Gen 4 and 5 are probably the best to actually play. I haven't played 6 or 8 though.
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Nightbringer, I cannot imagine myself playing through old games without the emulator speed-up button. The experience is just too painful now.
Parallels 09.03.21	in gen 1 speed is like 90% of a good mon 1 hit ko's are even calculated by speed its so dumb it hurts to think about also great balls were better than ultra balls at times due to bad programming
nightbringer 09.03.21	Yeah, fair enough, speeding them up certainly helps. Also, hacking the ROMs helps >:]
Scheumke 09.03.21	List is talking about roster though, and Gen 1 does have some of the most inspired and classic pokemon out there. *Or not, seems I'm just talking out of my ass lol
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Yes, exactly. I wasn't taking gameplay into account, because it's something that's expected to be improved over the course of the series, so comparing the series with respect to that is just unfair and makes zero sense.
nightbringer 09.03.21	Sure, if we're just talking about the roster and pokemon designs, the early gens win for me. Indeed, gen 3 has also grown on me massively, design-wise, over the years. I haven't played gen 8 but they strike me as the worst designs...
Pikazilla 09.03.21	I mean, gen 4 introduced the physical/special split - but it also had the slowest battling system of them all. For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gCvQiFUyC4
nightbringer 09.03.21	It's been ages since I played gen 4, not gonna lie. I actually sold all of my pokemon games, thinking I was done with them. Then the pandemic hit and I was like "oh, might like to play those after all, damn"
kalkwiese 09.03.21	Thank GOD they introdiuced that physical/special split! Dividing types into physical and special made 0 sense
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Platinum is a great game, but Diamond and Pearl have a ton of issues - regional dex only has just over 100 pokes, which is total bs. And because of that certain trainers have really dumb rosters - the e4 fire dude only has one actual fire type. Platinum fixes some of these problems, luckily.
nightbringer 09.03.21	There are a lot of features of the old games that made little sense. Sometimes it feels like there was zero effort put into making the game balanced. How did they let psychic be so broken in gen 1?
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Also, Gen 6 has the easiest and therefore worst E4. Imagine having a region with Bagon, Dratini, and Gible and giving none of these pokemon to the dragon trainer? And why do they have only four pokemon each? WTF game freak
nightbringer 09.03.21	Why do bug, ghost, dragon, fighting have like zero moves? How was that allowed?
GhandhiLion 09.03.21	I thought fire red was gen 3
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Afaik Red and Blue were actually unfinished Gold and Silver as far as a lot of features are concerned. Maybe they didn't have enough budget or time allocated to make everything as originally intended. A lot of gen 2 pokemon were designed during the gen 1 development cycle.
GhandhiLion 09.03.21	putting gen 5 above 1 is very based tho
tectactoe 09.03.21	I have an undying affinity for Gen 1 and 2, simply because they came at such a pivotal moment in my life (i.e., fifth grade or so, when every adolescent boy really starts to get into video games) and I’ve played Red and Gold more than any other game for sure. However the best Pokemon game imo is Emerald. Not sure what Gen it is considered, but that game was literally perfect.
0xME 09.03.21	gen 2 > gen 3 = gen 1 > gen 4 >>>>>> everything else
onionbubs 09.03.21	man of culture out here rightfully putting gen 5 at the top
Scheumke 09.03.21	"A lot of gen 2 pokemon were designed during the gen 1 development cycle." Ho-oh is in the first episode lol
kalkwiese 09.03.21	Suddenly things start to make sense lol Ho-Oh is cool as shit
Demon of the Fall 09.03.21	gen 1 would be utterly awful to play now and is objectively the worst game, but yeah nostalgia is a thing... I actually have zero desire to play them again. Lets not ruin the memories.
Pikazilla 09.03.21	You can actually get every pokemon in the og red and blue by inputting a very specific list of commands. Game code is being held together by duct tape
Scheumke 09.03.21	Gold/Silver/Crystal and B/W2 are the ones that hold up the best imo. Yeah gen2 games miss some quality of life, but they make up for it by giving us a whole continent with gen2 shit followed up by everything from blue/red/yellow.
Keyblade 09.03.21	gen 5 pokemon goated, but the game (I only played White 1 so far) was a little underwhelming i'm a filthy genwunner so my ranking prob goes, 1-3-2-4-5
InFlamesWeThrash666 09.03.21	I've played 1,2,3,4,7 and a little bit of 5 Diamond was the first one that was actually mine and not my cousin's so it's pretty special to me...My favorite is probably Silver though because Lugia
JefferyBigglestein2 09.03.21	i actually fully agree with this list, except swap Gens 1 and 2. Gen 1 is fucking broken and barely playable, even if its an incredibly fun game with a great storyline and an enjoyable selection of mons. Gen 2 is incredibly ahead of its time and has the nostalgia of the Gen 1 games without the bugs, balancing issues, and broken mechanics of the original. Hot take, BW2 are the best and most content-rich games this series has.
SteakByrnes 09.03.21	BW2 are the best and most content-rich games this series has. [2] very based take jeff
TheNotrap 09.03.21	I must be the only one around here who has no idea what POKEMON is. I know my kids were chasing them around with their cell phones, but that's about it.
JefferyBigglestein2 09.03.21	the only flaw i can think of for the game is that the storyline is somewhat linear, especially towards the beginning. But the game is an absolute love letter to the NDS era of pokemon and just has so much to do, especially compared to the games of today which are absolutely void of content in the postgame.
SteakByrnes 09.03.21	"the only flaw i can think of for the game is that the storyline is somewhat linear, especially towards the beginning. But the game is an absolute love letter to the NDS era of pokemon and just has so much to do, especially compared to the games of today which are absolutely void of content in the postgame." Yea absolutely, it also boasts the best story in any of the games by quite a large margin. They basically made a cool jrpg storyline with the old faction of team plasma against the new faction lead by ghetsis, and him just blasting the region with ice and all the other shit he does makes him feel like an actual evil antagonist for once. Also shout out to all the shit you can do in the game, like the side quest with the dropped xtransceiver, the tournament mode in driftveil with all the old leaders and characters from past games, etc. Man, they dropped the best pixel art they've ever done too, they perfected that art.
kalkwiese 09.03.21	Even the story in B/W I was very good. Probably my favorite part about that game. I guess I should check B/W II
SteakByrnes 09.03.21	Yea 5th gen games had the best stories by far lol
YoYoMancuso 09.03.21	HG/SS is the most fun I’ve had playing pokemon
GhandhiLion 09.03.21	same + platinum
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Hoenn and Unova simply have better world building. Caves, cities, etc. have rich lore or important events a player associates with them, which is what makes them memorable. Sinnoh has... Mt. Coronet, and the whole game is basically one big hiking trip, while the newer titles don't even bother weaving any kind of story tidbits into their respective regions, making caves and routes just areas with a bunch of new mons, and that's it. Huge lack of distinctive landmarks too.
SteakByrnes 09.03.21	"...the newer titles don't even bother weaving any kind of story tidbits into their respective regions, making caves and routes just areas with a bunch of new mons, and that's it. Huge lack of distinctive landmarks too." Yea I've noticed that too, and the newer regions themselves just aren't memorable at all really. Closest they came to making memorable routes and cities again was XY, but even that doesn't feel particularly great other than like maybe Lumiose
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Yeah, most of them feel like procedurally generated masses of land/sea with trainers and mons thrown in for the sake of being there.
Keyblade 09.03.21	i'm playing SS right now and I can't get over how they didn't fix the level curve problem from the original gen 2 games lmao it really hurts the enjoyability of the game. prob the least fun I had with any pokemon game which is a shame cuz it's content rich
Pikazilla 09.03.21	They should introduce level caps already. A lot of fangames/rom hacks have done so. That way, you won't sweep all the boss fights with just your starter mon.
trilo 09.03.21	solid ranking tbh even though i think gen 2 games suck. they just have the luxury of not being as bad as the newer ones. glad gen 5 gettin some respect tho. slaps
Keyblade 09.03.21	crystal is great tho. music slaps unbelievably hard and some of the new additions were great like the dark/steel types, day/night cycle, happiness/context-specific evolutions etc and of course an entire second region in the post-game and returning to ur old stomping grounds from gen 1
Havey 09.03.21	from a roster p.o.v gen 1 is 1, anything else is cope
trilo 09.03.21	oh for sure it brought good additions but u pretty much hit the nail on the head for why i think those games don't hold up. the level curve is atrocious and tbh kanto is just a victory lap that gets stale on subsequent playthroughs. whole lot of filler just for one good battle (red). i'd rather just play gen 1.
Keyblade 09.03.21	yea I agree with all of that, it has a fatal flaw that holds it back and it's amazing to me that the remake didn't fix it and also big fax @ havey
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Krookodile and Volcarona disagree
Keyblade 09.03.21	gen 5 is second in terms of roster for sure, which is funny cuz it got a lot of hate when it came out
SteakByrnes 09.03.21	slice yo bih up call me a haxorus
FabiusPictor202 09.03.21	Gen 1 best all other opinions are fake false and uttered by beta soyboy cuck poets
Minushuman24 09.03.21	gen 5 is whack
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.03.21	https://youtu.be/ha0VNUt3YjM
ArsMoriendi 09.03.21	Gen 5 is the best yeah, especially Black and White 2
ShadowRemains 09.03.21	we should do a list of best/coolest mons tyranitar volcarona garchomp metagross zapdos
Havey 09.03.21	zapdos is best bird agreed
ShadowRemains 09.03.21	also hoenn is best region, emerald was the damn shit back in the day
frigyourgenre 09.03.21	Nice ranking my guy
kkarron 09.03.21	"we should do a list of best/coolest mons" No Houndoom? Shame!
ArsMoriendi 09.03.21	flygon reuniclus tyranitar dewgong (seals were was fave animal as a kid shhh)
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Tyranitar Flygon Garchomp Volcarona Scizor Krookodile Shout-out to Mimikyu, who just wants to make friends
nightbringer 09.03.21	I'm actually removing dewgong in my ROM hack, sorry not sorry.
Keyblade 09.03.21	lol Pika Krookodile stands out big time in ur list
Pikazilla 09.03.21	Krookodile is a happy-go-lucky sunglasses-wearing croc We best buds
Keyblade 09.03.21	gonna start BW2 after I get through this HGSS slog, and what I love about it without even playing it is the selection of pokemon available. i'm definitely going to run flygon and tyranitar in the same team, 2 goated pokemon. u apparently also get Riolu really early so if I wanted to I could run another goat Lucario
Crawl 09.03.21	Gen 5 has the best games for sure, but nothing beats the Pokemon released in gen 2 for me (although a lot of them are really shitty gameplay-wise).
Pikazilla 09.03.21	don't fuckle with shuckle
ConcubinaryCode 09.03.21	Gen 8s biggest sin is having zero exploration. They did away with hms but at the cost of taking away all the extra puzzles you could do we with them. The only extra area I can think of is the lake at the pokemon lab where there's an obstagoon but that's it. The layout is so flat and straightforward which started being a thing since gen 5 but that still had lots of side areas. The dlc added a little fun but you just run out of stuff to do too quickly. Might be the game I played the least if you don't want to count let's go. Gen 2 I actually think is super overrated. The roster is complete dogshit and you can't even get the cool pokes until after the elite 4. Kanto redux is cool but half the map is gutted which isn't too surprising given it came out on the og Gameboy but hgss didn't build upon it either. Frlg even added some bonus areas granted they weren't amazing but it was something. Gen 6 actually has an amazing roster that people never seem to bring up probably because it's pretty unspectacular in every other way but oras is legitimately top tier poke. Gen 7 is a little hated on which I can understand but usum are terrific games and it added some great staple pokemon and you can actually explore a lot of stuff in the games. Gen 1 might be my least favorite but it has its charms. It realistically doesn't stand a chance against any modern game but that's not its fault. Plus the 3ds version gives you the hidden abilities if you transfer them through home which is tight. I'm actually playing through black 2 atm and it's actually damn good. The experience growth was a much needed change and the wild pokemon are easier to grind against. The map is decent too and it's roster is great. Definitely a contender for best pokemon game.
nightbringer 09.03.21	nothing beats the Pokemon released in gen 2 for me (although a lot of them are really shitty gameplay-wise). [2] Maybe it's how mysterious gen 2 mons felt as a kid given that they were the first time we got new mons beyond the originals (and we were desperate for new mons) but their designs have always struck me as super cool.
SteakByrnes 09.03.21	My favorite mon is Salamence
Asdfp277 09.03.21	you like the x/y starters? i hate them tbh :c save for greninja
ShadowRemains 09.04.21	gyarados, bisharp, darkrai, and milotic are also the shit
Purpl3Spartan 09.04.21	gen 4 was when i was into this still have my collection i believe
Crawl 09.04.21	"Maybe it's how mysterious gen 2 mons felt as a kid given that they were the first time we got new mons beyond the originals " This is it, yeah. They will always feel new to me. Then we got used to new pokes being released every ~three years or so.
GhandhiLion 09.04.21	Which should I play again? Emerald, Platinum or black2?
JohnnyoftheWell 09.04.21	Platinum or Nuzlucke Emerald
GhandhiLion 09.04.21	I dont want to nuzlucke and I wanna play blind without reading wiki/ serebii/walkthrough cause that shits boring.
JohnnyoftheWell 09.04.21	Platinum then, best champion and least opportunity to accidentally overpower yourself even more than usual pokestandards
GhandhiLion 09.04.21	https://twitter.com/Silast_UP
SteakByrnes 09.04.21	nah do black 2
Pikazilla 09.04.21	Nuzlockes are boring Play difficulty hacks instead
GhandhiLion 09.04.21	renegade platinum?
Pikazilla 09.04.21	great pick
Sharenge 09.04.21	disregard I am retarded
Pikazilla 09.04.21	what
Sharenge 09.04.21	I was correcting you that HeartGold/SoulSilver weren't gen II, FireRed/LeafGreen weren't gen I, etc but then I realized you were just using the soundtracks to the remakes as placeholders or whatever
Pikazilla 09.04.21	I should do a soundtrack ranking next
ShadowRemains 09.04.21	best soundtrack is Gen III, some of the legendary battles in those are absolute tunes especially groudon/kyogre/rayquaza
Sharenge 09.04.21	does the super music collection for HG/SS have all the music from the super music collection of FR/LG? or do they have distinct/unique tracks? (asking since HG/SS include the Kanto region after Johto while FR/LG are only Kanto)
Hendoi 09.04.21	2, 3, 5, 4, 1, 7, 6, 8
Pikazilla 09.05.21	HG/SS has its own tracks.
Pikazilla 09.05.21	Just downloaded pokemon inclement emerald - I'm super impressed with how advanced rom hacking has become as a result of the pandemic Also, mGBA looks so much better than VBA, it's ridiculous
el_newg 09.05.21	Sharenge, all the Super Music Collections are unique with their own set of tracks. The exception to that is not included on this website - a Japan-only release of Red & Green, which is just a reissue of the "GameBoy Entire Pokémon Sounds Collection" (Gen 1 sountrack) combined with the first disc of the FR/LG Super Music Collection. The Kanto music from HG/SS - and the original GSC - is actually new compositions based on the Gen 1 tracks. It is available on the HG/SS Super Music Collection in the new orchestrated versions from HG/SS, and the "GB Sounds" version, which emulates the original GameBoy songs from Gen 2. Note that the GB Sounds music in HG/SS is actually new as well, and the only music from main series Pkmn games not to have official soundtrack releases are the original GSC and Sw/Sh.
Asdfp277 09.05.21	best ost is d/p/p, the rest doesn't even come close, good as they might be
Sharenge 09.05.21	alright thanks... yeah I had noticed that the one for HeartGold/SoulSilver also includes the Gameboy sounding renditions of tracks as well just was wondering about it 'cus I've been meaning to add some Pokemon music to the playlist I've put together for the game store I work at
Pikazilla 09.05.21	'best ost is d/p/p, the rest doesn't even come close, good as they might be' excellent opinion
Keyblade 09.05.21	"alright thanks... yeah I had noticed that the one for HeartGold/SoulSilver also includes the Gameboy sounding renditions of tracks as well" hold up, where does it include that? imma need to turn that on
Sharenge 09.05.21	I was just referring to the super music collection soundtrack for those games, not the actual games themselves https://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/pokemon-heartgold-and-soulsilver-music-super-complete the Gameboy renditions start with track 3.01 if you scroll down (the track names use the Japanese versions of the town/city names, which are different from the names in the American versions I guess)
Sharenge 09.05.21	would be cool if the games themselves had the setting to switch all the music to the original Gameboy versions but I don't think that's the case - sorry to get your hopes up
el_newg 09.06.21	it is in-game too!! really cool https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/GB_Sounds and yeah, disc 3 of the soundtrack is mostly the old style tracks https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_HeartGold_%26_Pok%C3%A9mon_SoulSilver:_Super_Music_Collection
Asdfp277 09.06.21	hg/ss has that for sure, don't know if any other games. it's such a cool feature! ;-;
GreyShadow 09.06.21	best games to play in modern times are BW2 and HGSS, maybe Platinum too. SWSH for the DLC is also a good investment. but since we're obviously big bois with emulators, Emerald and FRLG are great picks too best soundtrack is HGSS or gen 3 with BW2 and gen 4 close behind best roster is idk probs gen 3, maybe 6 if we're including megas, 1,2, and 4 all very high up as well so many different criterias/things to consider
Asdfp277 09.06.21	b/w and b2/w2 don't get the credit they deserve imo. they're so much fun, and i honestly think the pokémon designs are on par with gens 1 and 2 tbh imo tbh
Sharenge 09.06.21	ah ok, nice... guess I was wrong - you can get the item that lets you switch on the Gameboy sounds in-game once you collect all 16 badges I guess as an adult, I almost never play with the in-game sound turned up though... Pokemon is pretty perfect for putting music on while playing so that's what I usually do
Demon of the Fall 09.06.21	'Maybe it's how mysterious gen 2 mons felt as a kid given that they were the first time we got new mons beyond the originals (and we were desperate for new mons) but their designs have always struck me as super cool.' (2). Nailed it. I reckon that's why I have much love for that roster, even the admittedly shittier ones like Spinarak or Corsola. EVERYTHING was exciting.
nightbringer 09.06.21	I love Ariados so much.
Pikazilla 09.06.21	Ariados can solo morty ez
nightbringer 09.06.21	Ariados challenge run, streaming on twitch when?
Evreaia 09.15.21	Okay, okay, okay, real rating coming through: Pokemon Design: 3 > 6 > 4 > 2 > 1 > 5 > 7 > 8 Game Design: 4 > 5 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 6 > 7 > 8 I cant understand anyone calling gen 6 having bad designs, except for 4/5 mons (like Goodra) the entire new roster was top tier and incredibly consistent. The only other gen that can claim this is 3. Also Mt. Coronet is peak level design, anyone who disagrees is just plain wrong and deserves the current shitty games.
Evreaia 09.15.21	Also to everyone saying gen 2 is the best. SS/HG are the best games in the series, and those are gen 4.
kkarron 09.15.21	I wish the cool old 'mons like Ariados were actually any good. I remember trying to catch that fucker as a kid but it turned out to be terrible. Hell I thought (pre-Huge Power) Azumarill was a great 'mon, even though its stats sucked ass.
Pikazilla 09.15.21	have you seen klefki and carbink
Evreaia 09.15.21	Dream team: Tyrantrum Kingdra Houndoom Ludicolo Scizor (Mega) Sableye "have you seen klefki and carbink" Have you seen greninja, talonflame, pyroar, aegislash, malamar, dragalge, clawitzer, heliolisk, tyrantrum, aurorus, hawlucha, trevenant, xerneas and yveltal? Gen 6 had best baseline designs. and the best legendaries. Xerneas an Yveltal are by far the best legendary duo and 10/10 designs. Sadly the game itself was shit.
ConcubinaryCode 09.15.21	Xerneas is terrific but yvetal just feels like dark lugia. Solgaleo and Lunala are get my best duo vote. Maybe groudon/kyogre for second place.
nol 09.15.21	Imagine hating drampa
Asdfp277 09.15.21	love drampa, klefki & spinarak tbh ;-; poké designs imo: 1 > 2 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 8 > 7 > 6 but it's subject to change, especially for the later gens since i haven't had as much time with them as the earlier ones
loveisamixtape 09.15.21	too much water is my least favorite criticism of gen 3
Asdfp277 09.15.21	i never understood the reaction that criticism got from fans, i hated having to surf everywhere too lmao
Cryptkeeper 09.15.21	People are sleeping on gen 3
Pikazilla 09.15.21	Most people love gen 3 wtf
Cryptkeeper 09.15.21	Yes but it is obviously GOAT, I mean Salamance, Flygon, Sceptile, Metagross and Aggron in the same gen? Obvious winner
Asdfp277 09.15.21	also music is killer, and emerald has the battle frontier ...but i think i prefer gen 5 >:]
Cryptkeeper 09.15.21	I am weeping :'(
Asdfp277 09.15.21	:[
Pikazilla 09.15.21	I prefer gen 5 too But both are awesome
loveisamixtape 09.15.21	and tyranitar
Asdfp277 09.15.21	dats gen 2
loveisamixtape 09.15.21	oh fuck lmao u are right. deleting my account now, twas a good run
Sharenge 09.15.21	train those 'mons, boiii
Asdfp277 09.15.21	rip
ShadowRemains 09.15.21	one thing i do love about gen IV onwards is the loss of coupling between attack type and physical/special attacks, always thought that was annoying as hell and nerfed many mons in the previous gens
Pikazilla 10.27.21	New Zorua form looks cute. RIP reporter guy
Demon of the Fall 10.27.21	which of the new 'mon games do you plan on getting Pika... any/none? I like the idea of the whole 3d open world thing, but not sure how it'll play out in practice.
Pikazilla 10.27.21	I might get Legends Arceus but only once I've seen enough gameplay footage to make a reasonable judgment. What I already don't like about it is the graphics. The zorua/zoroark cinematic is extremely well done. Why couldn't they make the game graphics at least half as good?
Demon of the Fall 10.27.21	yeah the graphics don't look great from what I've seen and that's putting it mildly. Hopefully the world doesn't feel empty, because that's another potential issue I can see cropping up.
Pikazilla 10.27.21	I just don't understand how it's not within their budget to make something more serviceable looking
Demon of the Fall 10.27.21	It's definitely within their budget, surely? It's either laziness because they know the fanbase will lap it up anyway, or they're struggling to get the balance between a faithful recreation of the world in 3d and the potential for graphical advancements that end up looking out of place. Idk here, just speculating.
Pikazilla 10.27.21	Somebody tell GF you can make a game look cartoonish and hi-res at the same time
Feather 10.27.21	Pokemon White is the only pokemon game I just lost interest in and stopped playing before finishing.
Feather 10.27.21	Definitely planning on getting the Gen 4 remakes since Gen 4 is somehow the only games I have never played.
Feather 10.27.21	Also Gen 2 is the GOAT
Pikazilla 10.27.21	b2/w2 >>>> og b/w
Feather 10.27.21	might have to give b2/w2 a spin then ... I am skeptical because white was the first pokemon game I thought was 'bad'
WretchedCacophony 10.27.21	balance comment on Gen 1 is good. I was so frustrated playing it as a kid because Gengar and other Pokemon I really liked sucked and just died to Psychic...
Alondite 10.27.21	Gen 5 is absolutely the best. Largest generation of Pokemon with the most diversity in typings (including new typings) and base stat distributions. No required HMs (except BW2, which required one or two.) EXP scaling, Audino, good overworld layout that wasn't a pointlessly convoluted mess. Soundtrack fucking rules; the Low Health beep being turned into a song was brilliant. Shame most of the great things this gen did were abandoned immediately for gimmicky bullshit. Gen 1 is a broken mess. You've never had a proper Gen 1 experience unless you've been Paralyze-Wrapped into oblivion. Normal and Psychic types are too good and have no real counters. Gen 2 is overly defensive, boring, a bunch of Pokemon are locked to Kanto, and some Pokemon (like Gyarados) got screwed by the Special split. Trainer level curve is all over the place and makes for inconsistent difficulty Gen 3 Overdid it with the water. Competitive game got really linear after awhile and it was clear what the optimal team combinations were. Gen 4 has Eight fucking HMs (six of which are required), a convoluted overworld, and everything was excruciatingly slow. Type split was amazing, though. Garchomp broke competitive play. Gen 6 was pitifully easy and didn't add very many Pokemon relative to most of the other generations. Mega Pokemon basically broke the game, especially after ORAS and the Primals. Gen 7 was pretty neat, but some of the new Pokemon base stat spreads were really odd and made for some downright useless Pokemon, and others who were so busted they were almost immediately banned from competitive play. Terrain effects were (and still are) unintuitive. Gen 8 is actually fine. A bit on the easy side, and Dynamax is too strategically centralizing, but made some welcome changes that opened the strategy up a bit and added a decent number of worthwhile Pokemon.
Pikazilla 10.27.21	Great comments, Alondite. I agree with the majority. A lot of gen 7 pokes had potential but they were outright ruined by some insanely dumb stat distributions (poor Vikavolt). Gen 1 has become so much better with the ph/sp split, improved movesets, etc. Gengar and Dragonite are just so OP now.
Alondite 10.27.21	Yeah I really only glossed over most of the points from each generation here. The original Gen 1 games have so many issues lol. Playing FRLG with an expanded ROM base with the type split, new movies, etc. is so much better.
loveisamixtape 10.27.21	all this thread ever makes me want to do is finally play b/w
Feather 10.27.21	@loveisamixtape b/w is TRASH
AmericanFlagAsh 10.27.21	Swap 4 and 2 and I actually agree with you on something for once
Alondite 10.27.21	@Feather Except they're not. They're better than every other generation of games in basically every way that matters. Literally the only downsides were a weather-dominated metagame and some Pokemon evolve at absurdly high levels.
loveisamixtape 10.27.21	think i'm gonna get a rom for Black soon, i've been playing soul silver
Feather 10.27.21	@Love soul silver was my absolute favorite @alondite maybe, just maybe I will give white2 a chance. More looking forward to trying out gen 4 remake on the switch
Pikazilla 10.27.21	Play pokemon unbound
onionbubs 10.27.21	forgot how based this was. whole top 5 is right (and also the only gens i ever played so as far as im concerned the whole thing prolly is too)
Groundking 10.27.21	Best games are HGSS, I stopped after the first B&W tho, really didn't enjoy them and none of the games since have attracted me to want to play again.
tectactoe 10.27.21	New Pokemon Snap was pretty good but too short. My son enjoys watching it, tho.
Feather 10.28.21	@pika unbound looks legit
Asdfp277 11.01.21	still love b&w, one day i'll catch up on the games after gen 5 uwu
nightbringer 11.01.21	Just started unbound. Really don't like the graphical changes to the overworld. And I have pretty low hopes for the story, but I'll see how this goes.
Pikazilla 11.01.21	Damn. As far as hacking coding goes, this is probably the most advanced hack out there. It's also made by the same team that made CFRU.
Pikazilla 11.01.21	Which romhacks do you enjoy?
nightbringer 11.01.21	Oh, Unbound is definitely super impressive, technically. Major kudos to the team. I just have an aesthetic preference for the vanilla game's overworld visuals. And I think grittier stories are hard to pull off. I still haven't played many hacks. Only Gaia, Blaze Black, and now Unbound. Gaia is probably my favourite so far :)
GreyShadow 11.01.21	i looooooooooved Prism but that's the only one I completed. i was playing Radical Red at the end of last year a lot. got to just past silph co i believe. that one really made me believe that making pokemon hard as fuck, but not in a grindy, rather a strategic way, might just be the answer to making this series good again lol
Pikazilla 11.01.21	Prism is my favourite romhack. I didn't enjoy Radical Red because it was overcrowded af. A lot of mons felt out of place on their respective routes, which only ruined the experience further. And as far as difficulty is concerned, it wasn't even anywhere near as the truly hard stuff out there. I mean you get access to HP/PP Marill/Meditite in Viridian city. Inclement Emerald plays like a much smoother experience and is just as difficult. EVs/IVs/Natures/Abilities are more readily available too, which makes team building less grindy. Pokemon Gaia is amazing and I know they've been working on a new version for a good couple years now - looking forward to that immensely. If you want a very difficult pokemon experience with modern mechanics, play Rejuvenation. That game has the best balancing and forces you to learn to make best use of what you get. Pseudos? Yeah, you not getting those. Competitive battle items like Leftovers/Life Orb, etc.? Nope. Gyarados, broken megas? Nope. Fields that give bosses a tremendous advantage? Every fucking time. Do trainer mons get perfect IVs and competitive builds? After third badge, yes. And later on, they get to break the EV limit, while you don't.
nightbringer 11.01.21	Nice, yeah, I started Rejuvenation, and it seemed pretty good, although sometimes I found myself suddenly thrust into a battle that broke that game's level curve. Would love to keep playing but I really like playing things on my phone and it doesn't run smoothly on it lol. (Another complaint I have about the Unbound graphical overhaul is that by pushing the system to its limits, my phone emulator struggles to render it in fast forward, hah.)
Pikazilla 11.01.21	Yeah, I mean, some people can't even run it on their laptops. It's definitely not something to be played on a phone or tablet.
GreyShadow 11.01.21	I was recommended Rejuvenation a few years ago, this def looks really cool Unbound also seems like a cool i'll try to get to one of them after BDSP ultimately disappoints me
GreyShadow 11.01.21	oh yeah, Uranium also looked sick. i downloaded it a while back so that's another option
Pikazilla 11.01.21	Uranium is dope, yeah
alamo 11.01.21	"This game has the best roster of them all" no the best rooster of them all is blaziken
Pikazilla 11.01.21	Ah yes, Blaziken The first starter to be promoted to ubers
GreyShadow 11.01.21	gotta love speed boost
loveisamixtape 11.20.21	what we think of brilliant diamond / shining pearl so far
Parallels 11.24.21	it got released without a title intro i rest my case
Feather 11.24.21	I am enjoying it, but I also have played every gen except gen 4 so this is all new to me. The main criticism I am hearing is that it is the exact same game.
trilo 11.25.21	passing on it. art style is an eyesore and platinum was so much better that it soured me on ever going back to diamond/pearl
Pikazilla 01.27.22	Anyone got Legends Arceus?
nol 01.27.22	I bought it, gotta wait til American midnight to play tho
GreyShadow 01.27.22	IM SO EXCITED GAHHHHH reviews seem to be good too?!?!? that's awesome
el_newg 01.28.22	played it for a couple of hours, i like tht its something different but still got foundations of what we love about the pkmn games. graphics are absolute dogshit tho lol the textures and pop in are horrendous
GreyShadow 01.28.22	so far so good!
Demon of the Fall 01.28.22	I am curious to see how Arceus is received and not from the more prominent 'professional' reviewers who's opinions cannot be trusted. The kid in me loves the concept, but it might be tedious in reality idk. Interested in the fan reaction.
Pikazilla 01.28.22	At least poor Ursa finally got its well-deserved evolution. That base 140 atk stat is scary.
Demon of the Fall 01.28.22	Dunsparce evo when?
Gyromania 01.28.22	yeah gen 5 is trash. gens 1, 2, 3, and 6 are my faves
nightbringer 01.28.22	Can't say I like Ursaluna's design. Ursaring was already so cool. That said, since gen 4 onwards, I have initially disliked most newly introduced evos of old pokes. A lot of them end up growing on me.
Demon of the Fall 01.28.22	gen 5 mk:2 is the best Gyro. Huh, so you actually meant Ursaring? Did Ursaring need an evo? I thought the guy was decent already. Not every Pokémon needs to be super-powered. More deserving Pokes imo.
Demon of the Fall 01.28.22	I do like the gen 6 designs and team-building. The map is bland and too linear, but Pika's wrong on the designs. I mean every gen has numerous duds, but gen 6 performs well overall I reckon. 'Design' takes are completely subjective of course but how can you forget about Dragalage, Pangoro, Gogoat, Heliosk etc. I even love Malamar, although I can see why people wouldn't.
Pikazilla 01.28.22	Dunsparce really does need an evo. Poor thing.
Demon of the Fall 01.28.22	I love the little guy, it's just crying out for an actual flying evo - as a concept I think it could work, hell even make it a bloody dragon if you want. It already has (inadequate) wings, why not fulfil it's lifelong dream. Isn't he popular with old gen 2-ers like us? I mean, he is right? He must be. Being obtainable early on in both gen 6 AND 7 tells me Gamefreak knows there's a market for him.
AsleepInTheBack 01.28.22	Gen 5s roster is underrated for sure. It's got nothing on 1 and 3 though.
nightbringer 01.28.22	I definitely have a healthy portion of love for Dunsparce.
Flugmorph 01.28.22	played 1, 2, 3 and 6 and 3 has always been my favorite.
nightbringer 01.28.22	I legit still think Emerald is the nicest looking main series pokemon game.
Demon of the Fall 01.28.22	I didn't actually play 3 till the remakes, the highly coveted (by me at the time) GBA alluded me unfortunately. ORAS is/was very enjoyable, but I'd be kidding myself by pretending that needing 6,000 HMs isn't a little annoying. One of the modern quality of life updates that really made sense to me was the lesser emphasis on/eventually culminating in the complete removal of HMs.
Pikazilla 01.28.22	Demon, you should play Inclement Emerald. The best Hoenn gba experience currently available.
nightbringer 01.28.22	Yeah, Inclement Emerald is really good. Might be my fav hack.
GreyShadow 01.29.22	nicest looking games are gen 5 and gen 2 free imo. 2 is probably nostalgia but god damn gen 5 is so pretty still.
GreyShadow 01.29.22	also arceus has some inherent repetition in it but i find it pretty fun ngl. got 8 hours in so far and it's definitely the best main game we've gotten in so long
nightbringer 01.29.22	Gen 2 has my favourite in-battle Pokémon sprites - particularly the animated ones in Crystal. But Gen 3 has the nicest overworld imo.
Keyblade 01.29.22	gengar sprite in crystal...unnghh
Asdfp277 01.30.22	nicest overworld for me are gens 4 & 5 tbh
Dedes 01.30.22	Gen 3 best poke designs and it ain't no competition Try fronting me on this I DARE u
Asdfp277 01.30.22	we've already established that when it comes to pokemon designs, it's gen 1 > gen 2 > gen 5 > the rest
Dedes 01.30.22	Gen 1 is good for what it is but I think it gets a little too hyped on the basis of just being the first Gen 3 just nails that perfect in-between of simplicity and intricacy. Swampert is dope, the Regis are dope primal titan things, you have space god dragon Rayquaza. It's rad man
Pikazilla 08.02.22	if the grass cat's evo turns out to be bipedal, gen 9 will be instantly relegated to the bottom-of-the-barrel tier
ConcubinaryCode 08.02.22	I'm trying to catch enamourus in legends and it's the most annoying thing the games have produced in general.
Asdfp277 08.02.22	i don't know if i can imagine a good design of a sprigatito evolution without it being bipedal ://
Pikazilla 08.02.22	@conc have you ever tried to catch the legendary dogs in johto lol
Asdfp277 08.03.22	or the birds in platinum
TheAntichrist 08.03.22	gen 1 amnesia mewtwo is the scariest thing ever made
Kusangii 08.03.22	Gen 2 will always be my fave :)
Kusangii 08.03.22	Have anyone played fan made games btw? Pokemon Prism is amazing, probably the best pokemon game I've played.
ConcubinaryCode 08.03.22	Roaming legends aren't too bad, just save the master ball for them when you find them. Enamourus puts them to shame. @kusa there's quite a few cool roms now but there's a ton that kinda suck. Unbound is pretty great as others have said and I think it's still getting updated. Gaia is still really solid
Asdfp277 08.03.22	prism is swag, def. recommended
Pikazilla 08.03.22	Yes, Prism and Unbound are amazing. Gaia is getting a complete overhaul.
Tundra 08.03.22	Why u have better taste in Pokemon than u do music?
Pikazilla 08.03.22	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojiBuA97rdc new direct out
Feather 08.03.22	"I'm trying to catch enamourus in legends and it's the most annoying thing the games have produced in general." This was possibly the toughest part of the game for me.
Pikazilla 08.03.22	zero potential furry targets among the new mons revealed, massive W already no rule34 material for you, depraved sickos
AmericanFlagAsh 08.03.22	Gen 2 > 5 > the rest
Pikazilla 08.03.22	What are your favourite gen 2 mons?
gryndstone 08.03.22	trying to get through gen 5 again doing monotypes for funsies. Last time my dsi shat out on me so hopefully this time my phone...doesn't shit out on me
Pikazilla 08.03.22	make sure you play the sequels
AmericanFlagAsh 08.03.22	Gen 2 has some of my fav designs: Totodile line, Crobat, Togetic, Mareep line, Politoed, Espeon, Umbreon, Misdreavus, Gligar, Scizor, Heracross, Skarmory, Kingdra, Porygon2, the babies, the legendaries...
Pikazilla 08.03.22	Great picks, although I think Togepi and Igglybuff are meh Cleffa is adorbs
AmericanFlagAsh 08.03.22	Togepi is cute af come on Togetic tho is one of my favorite looking Pokemon, too bad it evolves into a weird airplane thing... at least it is strong
Pikazilla 08.03.22	I like Togetic a lot too. Togekiss is weird, it's too fat for a flying type.
AmericanFlagAsh 08.03.22	They could have just gave Togetic bigger angel like wings and made it look older
ConcubinaryCode 08.03.22	"no rule34 material for you, depraved sickos" It's called rule 34 for a reason. But less anthropokes will slow it down a bit. I'm also doing a mono steel run in b2 and it's kinda fun. Probopass is kinda not good tho and I might swap him soon.
gryndstone 08.03.22	@pikazilla i'm doing what i tried to do last time which is playing Black and White 2 simultaneously and it's Fun
gryndstone 08.03.22	Psychic for Black and Poison for White 2
Pikazilla 08.03.22	"I'm also doing a mono steel run in b2 and it's kinda fun. Probopass is kinda not good tho and I might swap him soon." Probopass has abysmal offensive stats and it's not even that good as a wall. It only recently got body press, which finally allowed it to dish any sort of damage. Try durant, it's a lot of fun.
Pikazilla 08.03.22	"Psychic for Black and Poison for White 2" Poison mono isn't easy in early gens, what's your team?
SteakByrnes 08.03.22	gen 5 goated
Pikazilla 08.03.22	agreed ahrd
ConcubinaryCode 08.03.22	Yeah poison pre- gen 6 is oof. I forgot about Durant though, I'll probably get one (never used it before) although they're in victory road iirc. I just beat the seventh gym though so almost there.
Pikazilla 08.03.22	I'll go ahead and assume you're already using Excadrill. That mon is insane.
ConcubinaryCode 08.03.22	Of course, exacadrill, magnezone, cobalion, skarmory (also might replace) ferrothorn, lucario is my team at this moment
Demon of the Fall 08.10.22	'I'm also doing a mono steel run in b2 and it's kinda fun. Probopass is kinda not good tho and I might swap him soon.' I've done that run, it was a lot of fun. I used Probopass over Aggron because I like him (but I wouldn't recommend it). When the rest of your team is Magnezone, Lucario, Ferrothorn, Excadrill and Skarmory it doesn't really matter what you use. Also completed a mono bug and mono electric run on B2, the latter was actually the hardest due to a lack of offensive versatility and basically no resistances (despite weaknesses being easily covered).
Demon of the Fall 08.10.22	'Poison mono isn't easy in early gens, what's your team?' also completed a HG run with poison and had to rely on Choice Specs Haunter to beat Will (it OHKO'd his entire team). Crobat, Nidoking, Weezing, Haunter, Tentacruel, Victreebel.
Demon of the Fall 08.10.22	anyway... I actually came here to say I wonder if the auto-xp share thing is staying for the new ones, just started on Shield and it's already annoying me. I might have to start a rotation / boxing policy to keep the levels down.