JeremiahBullfrog: 20 Albums that Spawned genres

JeremiahBullfrog 04.12.21	Can I just say that for the most part of this list i don't think that the first = the best or even that the importance of the album is matched by it's quality.
GhandhiLion 04.12.21	is this bait
Faenrir 04.12.21	Ever heard of Venom ?
GhandhiLion 04.12.21	3, 5, 7, 10, 11 are bizarre if not bait
dedex 04.12.21	Trash Metal
Snake. 04.12.21	seeing 4 and 10 make me sick
ArsMoriendi 04.12.21	How could The Smiths spawn indie rock when Murmur by REM is older?
JeremiahBullfrog 04.12.21	venom is not Black Metal lmao
alamo 04.12.21	seven churches came out 2 years before scream bloody gore
JeremiahBullfrog 04.12.21	yeah but I think its fair to say That The Smiths is more indie as we know it now and had the largest influence following, Murmur could be many things before it is "indie Rock"
JeremiahBullfrog 04.12.21	and again before i get roasted "Im not saying there was no elements of their respective genres before these albums were released, but these albums are the take off point for the genre"
JeremiahBullfrog 04.12.21	these albums are what can be considered as the flagship start point, when the genre took off
GhandhiLion 04.12.21	Neither of them are 'indie rock' :^)
AmericanFlagAsh 04.12.21	This is gonna be a fun thread lmao
JohnnyoftheWell 04.12.21	List is closed for commentinf by Moderators or whatever bullshit music was a mistake and so was freedom of speech.
GhandhiLion 04.12.21	lol
cordwainerbird 04.12.21	this is um. yea i dont know about this list chief
JeremiahBullfrog 04.12.21	oh god do i have to delete this I just wanted some convo n fun but forgot this was sputnik
GhandhiLion 04.12.21	no! keep it
rockarollacola 04.12.21	you sir, are a master-baiter
JKing92 04.12.21	Dookie most certainly did not spawn pop punk (even if it's by far my favorite punk album of all time).
cordwainerbird 04.12.21	keep it! sorry for knockin it (if i was) it's just divisive n junk. discussion is good
cordwainerbird 04.12.21	none of the picks are like 100% wrong per se but id have different picks for a lot of these. ones that i think realize the sound more as well as usher it in bc imo that's what solidifies genres
LeddSledd 04.12.21	The Beatles started pop?
widowslaugh123 04.12.21	Sick list
Masochist 04.12.21	"Trash Metal" Dat hidden diss though, lol
Masochist 04.12.21	I think my main issue is just the use of "Jumping Off Point"...do you mean the time that they entered mainstream acceptance? Because some of these genres had whole albums and bands doing them for a long time before the album on the list ever appeared. And what is "Alt Hip Hop?" I have a feeling that whatever it is, 'Graduation' probably wasn't the first (my mind immediately went to Lupe Fiasco's 'Food & Liquor' from the year prior, or literally any backpack rap from the early-mid 2000's).
combustion07 04.12.21	I never looked at 7 as the beginning point for deathcore but I can't say I've dug too deep into the early stages of that genre. There was a few bands earlier on that were doing a death metal/hardcore blend earlier but I'm blanking on their names currently which is weird because I just had them both in rotation like a month ago. They were quite different compared to what deathcore ended up becoming though
garas 04.12.21	Oh my... 1 is a kinda good pick, very influental album, but the story is more complicated than that. Bathory, Hellhammer, Slayer, Venom etc. all have been contributed to the thing what became later on black metal. I doubt 20 would be the first power metal album... my first guess would be Holy Diver by Dio from '83. And ffs: Van Halen was never fucking metal!
ChoccyPhilly 04.12.21	You now what? Yeah I agree. Good list, regardless of how I feel towards some of these genres
Sinternet 04.12.21	excellent bait
ReiniEden 04.12.21	This isn't fully accurate, there was already alternative hip hop way before Graduation. Eyedea & Abilities - First Born is Alternative Hip Hop and that came out in 2001 (Not saying that album started it, it was just the first album that came to mind.) Also De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising came out in fucking 89. I'm not sure what would've been the first Alternative Hip Hop album, but if you're suggesting Graduation helped Alternative Hip Hop get more into the mainstream, I wouldn't even say that's true.
Veldin 04.13.21	I've always considered Neil Young's mid to late 70's work to pioneer indie rock/folk. Also he's considered the pioneer for grunge as well with Rust Never Sleeps songs like "Into the Black" and "Sedan Delivery".
Veldin 04.13.21	However, I understand the point of the list, so I'm not disagreeing, just giving my two cents
Veldin 04.13.21	Deep Puddle Dynamics (1999) and other Anticon releases helped popularize alt-hip hop imo
HYPERVIOLET 04.13.21	Acme - to reduce a choir to one soloist: metalcore
biggzhc 04.13.21	These are very difficult questions to answer, what started what, a lot of opinions on it, nice to see your perspective.
Faenrir 04.13.21	"venom is not Black Metal lmao" Who said it was ?
Nomos2 04.13.21	Planetary Duality, baby
wham49 04.20.21	Your clueless on 5
butt. 04.20.21	Was deathcore really born with that despised icon album?? First deathcore band I remember listening to was Whitechapel lol
Dedes 04.20.21	Lists like this are always a bad idea. You really have to have a thorough knowledge of each genre before you can really describe a band as being the one that propels a genre forward. Besides every genre has so many contributions that lead to their creation that I dont believe any of them have one singular band that was the catalyst for its popularity.
SIMBOLIC 04.20.21	Doom EP was the progenitor of dxc as we remember it
CaliggyJack 04.20.21	Jesus Christ this list is so off... Sex Pistols did not start Punk Rock, The Ramones debut predated Never Mind the Bollocks by a year. Black Metal was not started by fucking Bathory for God's sake. Venom's seminal release (LITERALLY CALLED BLACK METAL) created the entire blueprints for both Black and Thrash Metal. Alternative Hip-Hop as we know it was arguably started by A Tribe Called Quest's debut album in 1990. While the Smiths certainly popularized the indie genre, Buzzcock's Spiral Scratch EP from 1977 is considered the birthplace of the "indie" genre. Death did not start Death Metal. Possessed did with Seven Churches two years before that album even came out.
SIMBOLIC 04.20.21	"Sex Pistols did not start Punk Rock, The Ramones debut predated Never Mind the Bollocks by a year." the "as we know it part" are the key words. Sex pistols are about as far away from the ramones as slayer are from Priest. Plus the cultural impact was a lot different to the mones "Venom's seminal release (LITERALLY CALLED BLACK METAL)" I could make a lounge album called "brutal slamming death metal", still lounge music Alternative Hip-Hop as we know it was arguably started by A Tribe Called Quest's debut album in 1990. "arguably" is the key word here, aka subjective opinion "While the Smiths certainly popularized the indie genre, Buzzcock's Spiral Scratch EP from 1977 is considered the birthplace of the "indie" genre." If the smiths started the explosion than are they more responsible for a genre's popularity? six in one, half a dozen in the other "Death did not start Death Metal. Possessed did with Seven Churches two years before that album even came out." Most death metal bands/musicians disagree. Its really a matter of opinion dude.
GhandhiLion 04.20.21	", Buzzcock's Spiral Scratch EP from 1977 is considered the birthplace of the "indie" genre." No it's not. It's just the first self released uk rock ep.
budgie 04.20.21	delete this thread please
budgie 04.20.21	i cant believe no one has said it yet: van halen is NOT glam
HardPressed 04.20.21	van halen is NOT glam [2] First hair metal album is probably either High & Dry or Too Fast For Love. Not Van Halen s/t. I won't knock you too hard for putting Bathory as the OG black metal band over Venom, cause while Venom DID lay the groundwork, the first two Venom albums just sound so different from what black metal really became. Sure they were a huge influence on black and thrash metal, but that doesn't really mean they were either. I don't think Bathory s/t is a bad take for the first black metal album. If not Bathory, then MAYBE Hellhammer.
CaliggyJack 04.20.21	"the "as we know it part" are the key words. Sex pistols are about as far away from the ramones as slayer are from Priest. Plus the cultural impact was a lot different to the mones" Blitzkrieg Bop is one of the most iconic Punk Rock songs of all time. If you mean political lyrics, then sure, but Ramones were still Punk Rock and they still defined how we recognized the genre in terms of instrumentation and style, especially 90's Ska and Pop Punk. "I could make a lounge album called "brutal slamming death metal", still lounge music" Not the point because Black Metal is still 50% a Black Metal album. Their title track is about as "Black Metal" as it gets. Saying they're not Black Metal cause it's not a one to one comparison to Bathory is ridiculous. ""arguably" is the key word here, aka subjective opinion" OK, but saying Kanye West started it with Graduation is absolutely NOT the start of the genre, period. "Most death metal bands/musicians disagree. Its really a matter of opinion dude." There are actual Death Metal songs on Seven Churches mate. "I won't knock you too hard for putting Bathory as the OG black metal band over Venom, cause while Venom DID lay the groundwork, the first two Venom albums just sound so different from what black metal really became." I disagree, it's just that Black Metal was about 50% Black Metal and 50% Thrash Metal. Songs like Black Metal are part and parcel Black Metal, while it also has Thrash tracks like Countess Bathory. "", Buzzcock's Spiral Scratch EP from 1977 is considered the birthplace of the "indie" genre." No it's not. It's just the first self released uk rock ep." https://theboar.org/2019/05/a-history-of-independent-music-from-spiral-scratch-to-unknown-pleasures/ https://diffuser.fm/the-roots-of-indie-the-buzzcocks-spiral-scratch/ https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/how-pete-shelley-and-the-buzzcocks-invented-indie-1.3723131
cordwainerbird 04.20.21	look out boys #21 is comin.
GhandhiLion 04.20.21	@CaliggyJack These articles just prove my point. None of them mention the indie rock genre. Do you know who else was one of the first bands to be called "indie"? Throbbing Gristle lol