Butkuiss
10.01.20 | Hate all you want, you know it's true. |
Calc
10.01.20 | 3 is ehhhhhhhhhhhhh straight up wrong but I'm surprised you don't have djent. but maybe that fruit hung too low for this advanced list |
Butkuiss
10.01.20 | Djent is a legitimate genre with at least two distinct sub-styles. It's a hell of a lot more sonically codified than most of the dumb arcane black metal subgenres. |
Storm In A Teacup
10.01.20 | The Ocean is not power metal lmao |
rockandmetaljunkie
10.01.20 | You forgot to name a few, like epic metal, alt metal, christian metal, glam metal, post metal
I am sure there are more... |
robertsona
10.01.20 | speed metal I get. But once you go after war metal it’s personal |
Butkuiss
10.01.20 | Alt metal exists! Glam metal exists! Post-metal exists, although people who refer to it as "atmospheric sludge" deserve a wedgie. |
Pikazilla
10.01.20 | depressive black metal is dumb af, agreed |
Pikazilla
10.01.20 | like, take woods of desolation, it's just second wave bm with no dynamic shift in sound, belongs in the trash can |
Minushuman24
10.01.20 | accurate, perfect list |
bludngorevidal
10.01.20 | what do we think of the term extreme metal? lazy catchall or useful for grouping together genres w/ harsh vox? |
Butkuiss
10.01.20 | "Extreme Metal" is probably a useful term in the same way that "90s rock" is. |
rockandmetaljunkie
10.01.20 | "Alt metal exists! Glam metal exists! Post-metal exists, although people who refer to it as "atmospheric sludge" deserve a wedgie"
Maybe i should change my post cause i wasn't very clear. These labels obviously exist, since people are using them for descriptions. That doesn't change the fact that they're totally stupid... |
wildinferno2010
10.01.20 | Ehhhh subgenres work to help classify music with something specific that they want to hear more of. I guess some are more useful than others, but as long as they describe something adequately they "exist" imo |
rockandmetaljunkie
10.01.20 | It's just rock n roll lol |
Ryus
10.01.20 | have u ever heard a non-rock album |
ChoccyPhilly
10.01.20 | I... agree.
I dont see how you can have a genre based on lyrical qualities. Even 'conscious hip hop' is a dumb term to me |
budgie
10.01.20 | bad thread |
rockandmetaljunkie
10.01.20 | "although people who refer to it as "atmospheric sludge" deserve a wedgie"
Honestly, i like that description much more. But i prefer the term "experimental sludge" tbh |
wildinferno2010
10.01.20 | Goniloc had a video about this
https://youtu.be/HHMk7yelpfs |
AtTheGates92
10.01.20 | Sure, you could argue that those genres don't exist. You could also argue that the fact that people know exactly what you're talking about when you say "viking metal" also means it exist. Perhaps "genres" isn't the right word to use. Why not... "categories" or something akin to that? |
Butkuiss
10.01.20 | But I literally don't know whether viking metal refers to Amon Amarth, Bathory, or Moonsorrow : ( |
LeddSledd
10.02.20 | "Progressive metal" isn't a genre? I can see that the term "progressive" gets thrown around a lot and a lot of prog metal bands don't have as many unifying characteristics like the other metal subgenres do, but groups like Leprous, The Ocean, Haken, Cynic, Opeth, Wilderun etc. should have some sort of classification due to their dissimilarity from other bands of their respective genres, more ambitious song structures, and "progressive" tendencies. |
LeddSledd
10.02.20 | Also djent ain't no genre lmao |
MercySeat
10.02.20 | I love this so much |
Butkuiss
10.02.20 | her: he is probably thinking about other girls
him: *i dont know why entry level music plebs on sputnik music dot com insist on saying djent is a real genre when any enlightened patrician such as myself knows that djent is merely an onomatopoeia for a high gain guitar sound with an aggressive frequency bump at approx 120hz, and that most bands who utilise this guitar tone are either playing a variant of progressive groove metal with ambient tendencies or fourth wave melodic metalcore why won't anyone listen to me* |
Butkuiss
10.02.20 | broke: genres are prescriptive
woke: genres are descriptive
bespoke: Butkuiss prescribes what is a real genre and what is not |
sixdegrees
10.02.20 | https://i.imgur.com/FhlvHOX.jpg |
Jots
10.02.20 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAQa4MOGkE |
naughtcturnal
10.02.20 | bababooey |
solrage
10.02.20 | I'm with you on most of these except for progressive metal. Most Dream Theater sounds nothing like Helloween, Gamma Ray, Hammerfall, Manowar, etc. To the extent those genres overlap is merely the extent to which most metal overlaps. I'm kinda ambivalent about speed metal as well, which I think of as a middle-ground between thrash and power metal. Whether that deserves its own sub-genre or not is debatable.
All that said: arguing genres/labels is stupid in general, so disregard this post/list. |
Cygnatti
10.02.20 | all of these are real, except maybe 5, 8, and 9 |
Allergist
10.02.20 | I agree with most of these but 3 is definitely real. How is that even a question? |
Cygnatti
10.02.20 | i wish 3 wasn't real |
Allergist
10.02.20 | Ha you admit is real!
Also i wish your face wasn’t real |
Grimlin
10.02.20 | Speed metal predates thrash. Thrash was basically just a more aggressive version of speed metal. The war metal term and sound (pretty much) was first used in '87 by Holocausto (and solidified by Blasphemy a couple years later), and easily predates anything labeled as blackend death metal so you're definitely wrong about 1 and 2. Your statement for 3 if just retarded. And for 8, wouldn't it just be grind/grindcore? Pornogrind and goregrind are both pretty much just referring to subject matter. |
Deez
10.02.20 | Never heard a single person say atmospheric sludge. Ever
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el_newg
10.02.20 | pirate metal |
naughtcturnal
10.02.20 | depressive suicidal pirate metal |
MillionDead
10.02.20 | 2 and 3 are wrong. Rest is a bit hit and miss. |
wildinferno2010
10.02.20 | Depressive suicidal pirate pornogrind |
Allergist
10.02.20 | Blackened funeral pirate grind is good tho |
rockarollacola
10.02.20 | #1 is perfection. I can't believe that thought never crossed my mind. |
LeddSledd
10.02.20 | Everything is correct except 3 |
sixdegrees
10.02.20 | despondent cumstorm- keelhauled with dildos |
IronGiant
10.02.20 | such a great conversation to have, wish we had more philosophy of music discussions on here. What classifies a genre tag as being more or less legitimate than any other? The degree of accuracy to which its classification sonically diagnoses any sound? What makes a band Progressive Metal vs. Alternative Metal or Post-Metal? Is the nomenclature simply a way to pinpoint certain bands and musical trends along the timeline of music history (such as Grunge or Midwest Emo), allowing us to more. easily track its changes over time? Or is the classification more objective, with sonic criteria that can act as signifiers to identify the family tree of relatives and influences the music draws from?
There are so many fascinating conversations imo to be had about music in a meta way, and I'd love to create a discord or forum to more openly and enthusiastically discuss such ideas with any interested, like-minded individuals. |
LeddSledd
10.02.20 | sputnikmusic.com |
Cygnatti
10.02.20 | Allergist, just look up, I already said it was real. |
Butkuiss
10.02.20 | To whoever the smoothbrain upthread was who said that goregrind isn't a real genre: it's all about the pitchshifters and drum machines baybeeeeee |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.02.20 | good list |
Kompys2000
10.02.20 | "what people like to think of as the codified genre of "Progressive Metal" is usually just Power Metal In 7/8"
my favorite power metal bands are mastodon, tool, and opeth hbu |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.02.20 | btbam |
bloodshy
10.02.20 | djent, math, downtempo, blackened
all great tags and descriptors, but not real genres. i do feel like progressive- is a legitimate genre addon that defines a new genre, the same as post- does, since it defines how the band plays their music beyond a lyrical concept or a gimmick |
porcupinetheater
10.02.20 | Feature this |
Butkuiss
10.02.20 | Implying mastodon are progressive! How roguish! hehe : ) |
bloodshy
10.02.20 | aren't there some stupid genre names for rap that are actually legitimate genres? like west coast and east coast? it's a fucking location for a name, but it's an actual style |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.02.20 | progressive is a descriptor not a genre and that's the end of that convo |
Kompys2000
10.02.20 | The only actual genres are pop, folk, and classical, all else is hairsplitting
Starting to warm to the idea of "electronic" being a genre but the jury's still out |
RogueNine
10.02.20 | Deez you should see all the lists here that use atmospheric sludge or atmosludge. |
sixdegrees
10.02.20 | its an rym tag lol |
Kompys2000
10.02.20 | All joking aside, I'm always looking for an excuse to post one of my favorite statements on the endeavor of defining art and this seems as appropriate a time as any:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmxIK9p0SNM |
Deez
10.02.20 | Deez you should see all the lists here that use atmospheric sludge or atmosludge.'
Urgh |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.02.20 | "The only actual genres are pop, folk, and classical, all else is hairsplitting
Starting to warm to the idea of "electronic" being a genre but the jury's still out"
Lol |
sixdegrees
10.02.20 | *art music |
wildinferno2010
10.02.20 | What's the difference between a "genre" and a "descriptor" tho? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.02.20 | A genre is a noun and a descriptor is an adjective... |
Cygnatti
10.02.20 | "There is more variation between the composition in two random Rihanna songs than between all black metal albums ever made."
- a legendary user, 2015ish or so idr |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.02.20 | That's iconic |
sixdegrees
10.02.20 | atavanhalen? |
wildinferno2010
10.02.20 | So then really there are only 8 genres or something. Pop, rock, jazz, metal, hip hop, etc |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.02.20 | Yes, umbrella genres, then there are many many sub genres, many of which are distinguished by merely sticking a descriptor in front of the umbrella genre.
Psychedelic rock is a (sub) genre
Psychedelic on it's own is a descriptor |
Kompys2000
10.02.20 | "There is more variation between the composition in two random Rihanna songs than between all black metal albums ever made."
oh my god I am absolutely stealing that next time I'm talking music with my black metal friends |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.02.20 | Another example
Indie rock is a (sub)genre
Indie pop is a (sub)genre
Indie folk is a (sub)genre
Indie is not a genre |
Cygnatti
10.02.20 | I'm pretty sure it was treeqt, it might have been one of those other users who is also no longer on this site and is sometimes still on rym. |
loveisamixtape
10.02.20 | sir this is an urban outfitters |
Butkuiss
10.02.20 | Man I’m going to message Atavanhalen Rn and let him know people here still talk about him : 3 |
wildinferno2010
10.02.20 | @Po)))ts yeah makes sense |
aydross121
10.02.20 | Lmao all these are actually true tbh |
bloodshy
10.02.20 | @kompys, good link
@potsy, i can get behind that indie sentiment.
Although when someone just says "indie," I'm betting indie rock is probably implied. Agreement there? |
garas
10.02.20 | DSBM is an actual (sub-)genre, and that description gave me cancer...
However, big like for your take on wAr MeTaL |
Cygnatti
10.02.20 | "Although when someone just says "indie," I'm betting indie rock is probably implied. Agreement there?"
Use context clues really, like if they're a music junkie like us, probably yes. But with radio listeners, they might just mean indie pop. OR they could mean "independent" as in "underground", which is still a valid descriptor imo.
In either case, lots of big name indie acts tend to be *both* indie rock and indie pop: i.e. Arcade Fire and the countless bands that ripped them off. |
Cygnatti
10.02.20 | Btw, deathcore and slam metal are fr fr genres. |
ReturnToRock
10.02.20 | Although the description for 1 is F---ING SPOT ON, I'll have to disagree. Speed metal definitely exists as a genre. Helloween, however, are not it. They were a power metal outfit from the off. A better example would be something like Attacker or Exciter.
Also, 'glam metal' just refers to the heavier side of hair metal 9 times out of 10. So it really should be on this list. As should 'desert rock', which is just the traditional/dad rock end of stoner rock. Or how about 'female fronted metal', which can mean anything from Arch Enemy to Nightwish to Walls of Jericho (because those are all female-fronted) but is usually just code for 'symphonic metal that rips off Nightwish/Epica/Within Temptation'? |
Butkuiss
10.02.20 | Glam metal is the legitimate genre, hair metal doesn’t actually exist. Cheers for the inspo tho : 3 |
ReturnToRock
10.02.20 | I keep wanting to call 'glam metal' 'glam rock', but that is a different genre altogether (btw 'glitter rock' is a fake genre too - it's just glam rock.) Glam metal is mostly just hard rock. |
Cygnatti
10.02.20 | agreed. very poppy and campy hard rock. |
naughtcturnal
10.02.20 | progressive atonal power metal'd trap-grind |
NeroCorleone
10.02.20 | Pornogrind can actually be pretty distinct from goregrind. It usually has more of a groove and has more high-pitched shrieks as opposed to the pitch-shifted lows of goregrind. |
bloodshy
10.02.20 | I'll be honest, never heard of goregrind, just grindcore. Is it the same thing? |
Relinquished
10.02.20 | lol 9 made me laugh
but there IS a difference |
Butkuiss
10.02.20 | Bloodshy I bet you couldn’t even tell me the difference between falsegrind and dbeat you coward |
bloodshy
10.02.20 | Got me there. I'd guess false grind uses false chord screaming though. |
Butkuiss
10.02.20 | Yep! And goregrind uses gore cord screaming! You goober : 3 |
LeddSledd
10.03.20 | I'm down with Pots' sentiment that anything sub- the 8 or so basic music genres is just a descriptor for the music. Progressive industrial depressive brown baby-fucker metal is a descriptor, while metal is the general genre. |
Allergist
10.04.20 | I must be honest: my favorite power metal bands are Cynic and Opeth! |
aydross121
10.04.20 | I think op meant to say that the classic older bands we consider prog are closer to power metal than we think.
Stuff like Dream Theater, Queensryche, Fates Warning and Symphony X.
Don't think they are saying Tool is pm lol. |
Butkuiss
10.18.20 | Tool is power metal |
Wubs
10.18.20 | copper is real. idiots. |
ReiniEden
10.18.20 | Funny I guess, A for Effort. |
SitarHero
10.18.20 | The assumption here being that power metal is a genre that exists and not just regular heavy metal played by nerdy kids on ritalin. |
bloodshy
10.18.20 | arena metal is a something |