sonictheplumber: Mayo Pete The Nominee?

sonictheplumber 02.13.20	pleb dm i know. :D
widowslaugh123 02.13.20	CIA plant
Trebor. 02.13.20	the future of robotics
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	yang chung tonight
parksungjoon 02.13.20	mayo pete the feet, best drummer ever
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	not much politicals around here no?
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	used to guitarded_chuck would already be raising hell in the comments
Josh D. 02.13.20	come on m8, he lost Iowa and NH.
parksungjoon 02.13.20	there's fewer and fewer amerifats by the day, sonic! spread them cheeks
budgie 02.13.20	im all about bernie
Josh D. 02.13.20	Our baby boy is also leading NC by 6, leads NV in some polls, and just opened the national lead by 10 points. Boi he bout to do it.
sixdegrees 02.13.20	PC safe space liberals drove chuck off the site, sad!
parksungjoon 02.13.20	its ok, verms still here
budgie 02.13.20	i am rat
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	the dnc will make pete the nominee whether he gets de votes or not. they will fart in bernies face
budgie 02.13.20	damn that sux
mynameischan 02.13.20	pete will flame out once we get to state primaries that don't suck ass. but either way, we're going to be haunted by that rat fuck for decades. if bernie gets elected (which he will if he gets the nomination), then pete will be a centrist celebrity commentator on msnbc that they bring on to say how bernie is going too far
budgie 02.13.20	i had the impression that pete adores sanders, wouldnt expect him to take an offer to be a centrist anti-sanders commentator i don't love the dude but maybe his heart is in the right place really don't understand why he doesn't just drop out now and commit his electorate to sanders
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	ill be the first to admit i might be turning into a dore-ian conspiracy theorist. thats jimmy dore not lee dorrian of cathedral and napalm :D
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	pete was a fan of bernie back when he was like 21 seein phish and dave matthews lol (look it up) but nowadays he's been bought hard
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	hope bernie does get the nom obviously but i really foresee the dnc pulling out all the stops even bigger n harder than last time
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	i mean at the end of the day whats the real centrist rally cry? it aint blue no matter who, its "bernie's not a democrat"
Dimorphic 02.13.20	Only a retard would vote for Mayor Cheat AKA Mr. CIAbot.
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	well i know plenty of age 40+ centrist democrats in my area who think gabbard is working for putin and think pete is the gay obama who will save us from drumpf's mean tweets so we can all go back to brunch
Valkoor952 02.13.20	kneel before the almighty booty judge
mynameischan 02.13.20	budgie, it doesn't matter if pete admires bernie or not. his only real trait is that he can talk and talk without actually saying anything. so he could go on msnbc and say "I admire Bernie, BUT here's the reason why Medicare for All is going too far..." To him, that would just give him more perceived credibility, which is all he cares about.
Snake. 02.13.20	ONLY GOD CAN BUTTIGIEG ME
Kompys2000 02.13.20	I would very much prefer not to see Buttigieg's horrible little rodent face all over social media for 4 years please and thank u
widowslaugh123 02.13.20	Buttigiege lest not ye bootyjudge
butt. 02.13.20	I feel like people just want a Hillary-like figure to hate so they go after Pete's throat. Wall Street conspiracies aside, the dude hasn't served a day in establishment state or federal politics. He's the mayor of a mid-sized Midwestern town most people never heard of. He's hardly old enough to have any kind of meaningful negative track record. He's openly gay. He wants to legalize weed. And he went to Harvard & Oxford, making him at least twice as smart as Trump and his brickhead sons combined. People just don't like sitting around with their pitchforks, gotta go after somebody I guess. And Biden is no longer much of a threat.
Ebola 02.13.20	father bernard is killing it https://morningconsult.com/2020/02/13/sanders-cements-front-runner-status-after-new-hampshire-win/
widowslaugh123 02.13.20	“Our values dictate our principles and if we don’t straighten out our principles our values can take a major corner into an unforeseen turn. If we don’t reshape who we are we can’t move into the direction that will streamline our values and our principles and even our politics.” Did peter say that or did I just make that up?
mynameischan 02.13.20	butt., you should read this: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete then read this: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/mckinsey-company-capitals-willing-executioners and you will get a good sense for why people hate this triangulating piece of shit
budgie 02.13.20	"budgie, it doesn't matter if pete admires bernie or not. his only real trait is that he can talk and talk without actually saying anything. so he could go on msnbc and say "I admire Bernie, BUT here's the reason why Medicare for All is going too far..." To him, that would just give him more perceived credibility, which is all he cares about." i feel you bro i feel ya
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	personally i dont even believe pete is gay. i would sooner believe he's a virgin tbh
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	we used to beat this kid up after class. looked a lot like pete
mynameischan 02.13.20	i just don't see how anyone can look at pete and not think he was lab-grown to run for president in our dumbfuck country. he was a rhodes scholar, like clinton! he was in the military (sort of), like several republican presidents! he's gay, so if you criticize him, some people will just call you homophobic! he's from indiana, so he can use racist dog whistles about "the heartland" and people will believe him! he worked for mckinsey, and no one actually knows what mckinsey does, so they think that makes him smart! he makes me sick
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	agreed
ArsMoriendi 02.13.20	I'd vote for Buttigieg over Trump easily, but he still sucks He never invited me to his wave cave orgy
mynameischan 02.13.20	trump is a fuck and i hope he dies painfully, but there is an argument to be made that someone like buttiegieg - who will drone children in the middle east but put a respectable face on it, just like obama did - will be more dangerous. trump is so transparently evil that it's almost a good thing. buttiegieg is evil like every neoliberal is evil, and their supposed legitimacy is what makes them so dangerous.
Coast 02.13.20	Nominees not looking great. Are enough people going to be bothered to come out and vote Trump out? Many reasons to turf him but especially his disregard for climate science and EPA. Bernie seems too left for ‘murica.
Josh D. 02.13.20	Here's a good rule: don't vote for military vets.
mynameischan 02.13.20	trump is going to get a lot of votes, that's for sure. which is why bernie must get the nomination, because he's the only candidate who can expect to pull the votes that would otherwise go to trump. the ONLY other one that might be able to do that is biden because of the obama glow and his (fake) working class bona fides. but he's tanking hard and won't make it much further.
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	The dnc would rather lose to trump so they can sit on their asses 4 more years rippin pieces of paper in half like fuckin cunts than have 4 minutes of Bern
sonictheplumber 02.13.20	Lol I tried bringin up drones to this msnbc gen x-er I'm friends with on fb (deadhead retard) and he just flat out said I was peddling conspiracies
mynameischan 02.13.20	trump is great for fundraising and making it look like the dems are actually doing something by "resisting" him, so yes, i completely agree that they'd rather see him reelected than actually have real change in this country
Valkoor952 02.13.20	american politics suck ass i'd be downright embarassed if I had to campaign for one of these clowns
Keyblade 02.14.20	Trump roasting Bloomberg on twitter is too jokes. if the Dems nominate any of these nerd ass neolib goons it's gonna be a wash and lowkey funny as hell to watch
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	Bloomberg is the only option y'all really have if you want a shot at winning a general election but go off.
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	It's a wine cave Ars you fucking idiot.
Keyblade 02.14.20	he's polling below even Biden for electability so nah Bloomberg is basically Trump except he doesn't say the naughty words
Josh D. 02.14.20	"The dnc would rather lose to trump so they can sit on their asses 4 more years rippin pieces of paper in half like fuckin cunts than have 4 minutes of Bern" this is true, but particularly because DNC and CAP careerists don't give a fuck as long as their taxes don't go up. Their progressiveness is purely performative. "Bloomberg is the only option y'all really have if you want a shot at winning a general election but go off." This is either a joke or your doctor gave you too much L-DOPA
Keyblade 02.14.20	Ghost is just scared of paying more taxes, it's just wishful thinking lol
Josh D. 02.14.20	they're going up, bitch
ArsMoriendi 02.14.20	"It's a wine cave Ars you fucking idiot." Why get this mad at an autocorrect typo though?
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	IIRC neither of you are even Americans hence overestimate the ability of POTUS to alter tax rates.
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	What Beanie would have the most free reign on is appointing judges, although the Senate has to confirm them.
Keyblade 02.14.20	then why be in denial. he's literally the only one with a chance
Deathconscious 02.14.20	"Bloomberg is the only option y'all really have if you want a shot at winning a general election but go off." Wat
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	You guys need to win independents in the Midwest. That's the election battleground, and he's not gonna touch Trump there. They don't take kindly to super lefties.
mynameischan 02.14.20	bloomberg is the only chance of beating trump? that is hilarious all the things that people SHOULD hate trump for are what they will ACTUALLY hate bloomberg for. he sucks.
Keyblade 02.14.20	he's Trump with 0% of the charisma remember when Dems were getting on Trump's ass in 2016 for saying he supported stop and frisk? now they're tryna back the dude who created that shit lol
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	Midwestern voters don't give af about stop and frisk.
Josh D. 02.14.20	guess who beat the more moderate candidate in the Midwest in the 2016 Dem primaries, and guess who lost the Midwest in the general. You don't know what you're talking about.
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	Ah, yes, the Dem primaries. A total translation to a gen election. Good call.
Josh D. 02.14.20	The populist won the primaries, the populist won the general. Hope this helps.
mynameischan 02.14.20	ordinarily i think you'd be right to question how well the dem primaries translate to the general, ghost bird, but it has been some time since there has been a genuine working class candidate. it is undeniable that bernie has immense appeal in those states. and all those dumbfuck farmers who voted for trump are all getting interviewed on NPR about how angry they are about his tariffs and the easing of regulations that make them their corn money
Deathconscious 02.14.20	Bernie's the only one who stands a chance against him, even Trump knows it.
Josh D. 02.14.20	The numbers might be too difficult to narrow down, but if you don't think any Obama-to-Trump voters would've voted for Bernie as the nominee...idk man. It's normal to not equate the primaries and the general, but the point is Bernie would have won.
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	You might get your wish of him and Trump in November, and Bernie would solidify the Dems' retreat from the far left for another generation.
mynameischan 02.14.20	anyone seen bloomberg's ad about small town america? that shit is hilarious, it's like a time capsule, a deteriorating mind's conception of a political ad based on stuff they saw on tv as a kid
Keyblade 02.14.20	when I was in the states last month, every commercial break on TV had at least 1 Bloomberg ad
Winesburgohio 02.14.20	i'd rather the overt Devil than neoliberal globalisation bullshit with a shit-eating grin that working class people - and minorities if you wanna get into Identity Politics which, uhh, definitely helped white women and white queer men and no-one else - still have to wrest minute concessions out of. the way "wokeness" has been subsumed into Capital so it can not just accommodate but control it is really concerning. Bernie would have won. Bernie can win. Feel the Bern babey
Itwasthatwas 02.14.20	Margins were pretty thin in 2016. I'd hesitate to make any sweeping guesses about who would or wouldn't win at this stage. I think either Bernie or Bloomberg could possibly win, I don't think Bloomberg has a path to the candidacy though. Theories about screwing Bernie would be vindicated if he makes an independent run in the end.
Deathconscious 02.14.20	how is being openly evil better than dressing it up though. either way we know what they are and at least the one putting on a facade will bow to pressure more easily and not be quite as brazen.
mynameischan 02.14.20	In what universe would Bloomberg beat Trump? Where is his constituency? Working class consciousness in America might be weak, but I don't think it's so weak that Bloomberg actually would have a chance.
Winesburgohio 02.14.20	2016 was a fascinating year because it was the first time the biggest schism was on the nominal left: it was genuinely brother vs. brother stuff regarding centrism (but with a woman!) vs. more hard left.
mynameischan 02.14.20	The ones putting up a facade dont get pressured, though. And, really, Trump isn't even getting pressured in any meaningful way. Impeachment was pointless and Pelosi just gives him most of what he wants anyway
MO 02.14.20	doesn't matter who the dem nominee is Trump will annihilate anyone
Winesburgohio 02.14.20	https://thehill.com/latino/470900-deportations-lower-under-trump-than-obama-report this is why. stuff like this flew under the radar because of the "aww shucks look at my spotify playlist" routine. at least issues are now at the forefront and people are more aware of what's going on due to the sheer shittiness of Trump
Deathconscious 02.14.20	"doesn't matter who the dem nominee is Trump will annihilate anyone" i wouldnt be so sure. a lot of America is really tired of him.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	god which one of you is running ghostbird as an alt? there's no way you can be this stupid without pulling people's legs. your taste sucks and youve never heard the beatles. your politics are retarded and you are like the one guy on earth who thinks bloomberg would do worth a goddamn fuck, even bloomberg knows he'd get wiped out, he's just there as filler dude. there's no way youre a real ass person lol. do you order chicken strips at every restaurant and dip them in mayo?
zaruyache 02.14.20	pete will fall once we get to a primary state with more than like twelve black voters in it. then biden and warren will move back up, but bernie will start definitively winning. KNOCK ON WOOD.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	gabbard would do better than bloomberg in the general lol
Deathconscious 02.14.20	@zaru ok, Kyle.
mynameischan 02.14.20	Gabbard is the chaos witch that every election needs.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	i hope pete queefs out ya. i hate neoliberals but i was kinda looking forward to getting drunk and high and watching biden debate trump. tbh id maybe even vote for joe just cause better an incompetent in the white house than a pat bateman mofo like mayo cheat
Deathconscious 02.14.20	i would prefer Bootyboy over Biden. theyre both going to be the same brand of corporate slut, but Biden is legit going senile.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	yeah so he's kinda harmless imo
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	dude this old gen x msnbc dumbass im fb friends with was saying tulsi was the only democrat he wouldnt vote for. he legit thinks she's a russian agent. he hates assange and noam chomsky too lol. i had to unfollow this guy cause he pisses me off more than republicans do tbh. at least republicans are up front with how theyre sociopath pieces of shit but this dude is over here like "we need more female drone strikes!"
mynameischan 02.14.20	Yeah those people are worse than the trumpers. They are irredeemable and delusional.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	yeah its mind boggling. dude hates bernie, loves bill maher...
Itwasthatwas 02.14.20	"In what universe would Bloomberg beat Trump?" Most politicians don't have a natural constituency, considering they have utter disdain for the people they aspire to rule over and everything they care about. Successful ones just achieve a high level of media saturation.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	i mean whats extra crazy is he was for bernie in 2016 primary and then next thing you know hillary lost because "bernie and the russians." id much rather talk politics with a trump supporter tbh, i really think itd be easier to get through to some of them...many trump supporters are too damn dense to understand the larger implications here and just dig trump cause he "stirs shit up." a lot of those guys could potentially switch to bernie. but nah lets believe rachel maddow and bill maher cause they were right in 2016 about jack shit
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	talkin about my fb friend not bloomberg
Itwasthatwas 02.14.20	People don't choose their thoughts, and they don't know why they think they know what they "know". You can't really change what someone thinks unless you change their core thought formation process by changing their information environment, or finding a way to fit your viewpoint into their existing process.
mynameischan 02.14.20	You can change people by offering them something tangible to improve their lives lol. That's how you win.
Itwasthatwas 02.14.20	People not knowing what they want or need is one of the main reasons marketing is effective.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	what sucks is several of my irl friends my age all recognize flaws with the current system but they think that actually identifying the problem as capitalism would suddenly make them cucks. its like they think itd be... gay... to admit that we need healthcare. theyre obsessed with like joe rogan masculinity shit
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	nothin against joe but you know what i mean, joe and peterson and those dudes attract a certain type of fan a lot lol
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	hopefully my yang gang joe rogan "weed is the most important issue" bro friends jump over to bernie
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	Lyin Liz
mynameischan 02.14.20	Elites have done a good job making anti capitalist rhetoric seem crazy and conspiratorial. It's hard to overcome
Kompys2000 02.14.20	I suspect most Yang gangers will either flip to Bernie or vote third-party, his base seems to be too anti-establishment to go for a centrist like Biden or Pete.
Kompys2000 02.14.20	Plus like,, let's be real, a lot of them are juuuust sexist enough to shun Warren/Klobuchar without needing particularly coherent reasons for doing so
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	i kinda hope there's a gas leak and none of my friends go vote
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	Actually history has done a good job making anti capitalist rhetoric seem crazy through things like statistics and facts.
Itwasthatwas 02.14.20	Pretty much all economies are mixed economies and the discussion is really just around how mixed it should be and in what ways. Ideological arguments about capitalism vs not are pointless and anachronistic
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	Waiting for someone to bring up Norway so I can bring up Qatar.
Itwasthatwas 02.14.20	I just saw an ad for Pete at the top of Sputnik. They haven’t figured out their high yield ad targeting yet apparently because there’s no way I’m voting for that guy
WatchItExplode 02.14.20	Can someone explain the Klobuchar surge to me?
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	ghostbird you are a dumb brainwashed motherfucker who probably jerks to the flag and george bush.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	waiting for someone to bring up venezuela (while ignoring the US's hand in that shit) so i can bring up somalia
Keyblade 02.14.20	"Waiting for someone to bring up Norway so I can bring up Qatar." yea man, imagine what we could build with slaves...wait hold up
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	I'm talking exclusively about a demographically tiny nation atop a pool of oil causing massive GDP per capita. Nothing more.
Keyblade 02.14.20	UAE would prob be a better example. u upgrade from slaves to serfs too
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	youre talking out your butthole and im about to ram a stick up it if you dont get out of my thread.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	all off topic comments will be removed
mynameischan 02.14.20	/thread
mynameischan 02.14.20	Omg just saw that Pete ad on mobile. Fuuuuuck
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	https://www.google.com/search?q=uae+population&oq=uae+population&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.2022j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	Literally didn't even have to search Qatar's google just somehow knew I wanted to compare the two. Corporations are spying on me in my own damn home.
Keyblade 02.14.20	honestly don't even know what ur getting at
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	UAE is too big and it starts diluting the Qatar example. 4x the population starts massively hitting into that.
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	Shut up
Keyblade 02.14.20	I mean, they were at around 2 mil like 15 years ago, which is like yesterday considering their boom started in the 70's. also only around 1 million are native emiratis, and that's today but I mean diluting what? I don't get the original point
GhostB1rd 02.14.20	I'm just saying if someone points to Norway as an example of high gdp per capita it doesn't mean jack because of their specific conditions, i.e. population size and resources.
Valkoor952 02.14.20	imagine voting for bernie sanders, the guy who flip-flops on issues more than my nan at the beach, along with being the most gutless politician this side of the world. oh and his medicare plan is garbage
Valkoor952 02.14.20	oh and his non-interventionist rhetoric is garbage as well and does not reflect what the guy has voted for in his years in congress
Sinternet 02.14.20	kill all disgusting amerifats
theBoneyKing 02.14.20	If Pete’s the nominee I’m leaving the US
Valkoor952 02.14.20	"kill all disgusting amerifats" agree
Valkoor952 02.14.20	"If Pete’s the nominee I’m leaving the US" yeah u tell them bby get them scared shitless
Sinternet 02.14.20	we taking back the colonies
sonictheplumber 02.14.20	Valkoor that's like startlingly incorrect. You are a dumb child
Valkoor952 02.14.20	everything i've said is correct, sorry if i triggered you berniebro uve been feeling the bern too much
Kompys2000 02.14.20	Sorry if I triggered you berniebro
Deathconscious 02.14.20	"imagine voting for bernie sanders, the guy who flip-flops on issues more than my nan at the beach" hahaha uhh ok.
Deathconscious 02.14.20	"sorry if i triggered you berniebro" oh my, hes one of those "triggered the libbbbzzz u mad bro?? XD" types, that explains a lot. gotta stop going to Ben Shapiro for your "facts", my dude.
Valkoor952 02.14.20	Lmao If that's the only bernie opposition you've ever interacted with i feel sorry for you, no wonder you circlejerk the guy like crazy
JAV 02.14.20	Bernie gonna smash. It's hilarious how up Pete's ass the media is.
Valkoor952 02.14.20	Speaking of, isn't there like a new Kyle Kulinski or contrapoints video you should be watching or whatever the bern kids like to beat their meat to these days
GhostB1rd 02.15.20	Beanie cannot win.
budgie 02.15.20	bern is gonna win
budgie 02.15.20	"imagine voting for bernie sanders, the guy who flip-flops on issues more than my nan at the beach" literally retarded
GhostB1rd 02.15.20	Beanie cannot win.
JAV 02.15.20	CNN is that you?
budgie 02.15.20	i think that's cnn, actually
GhostB1rd 02.15.20	To the best of my recollection they still call him Bernie.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	budgie you are one to know about being retarded thats for sure btw i like how everyone quotes only that part of what I wrote and conveniently ignores the rest because they know its true and can't defend it lmao
Space Jester 02.15.20	I think it’s weird when people who have never held a political position in their life think they know the answer to making the country perfect Why don’t you guys run for office
budgie 02.15.20	" btw i like how everyone quotes only that part of what I wrote and conveniently ignores the rest because they know its true and can't defend it lmao" you're probably the dumbest motherfucker on this website and that's saying a lot
sonictheplumber 02.15.20	valkoor can you name one example of bernie flipflopping on an issue? his platforms been the same since the 60s you also claimed that his "non-interventionist rhetoric doesnt match his voting record on the issue"? this is like, literally false. not even a matter of opinion. he was one of the lone voices who voted against the war in iraq as for his medicare plan, it works for the rest of the world and even any flaws it comes with would be better than going bankrupt over a surgery. so yeah youre dumb as fuck and spouting pure shit
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"you're probably the dumbest motherfucker on this website and that's saying a lot" sweetheart there can only be one and i regret to say you've eternally occupied that position
sonictheplumber 02.15.20	trump lost the popular vote by 3 million to the most unpopular politician in modern american history, so he would get his ass fucking obliterated by bernie sanders, the most popular politician in the country and the democratic frontrunner
sonictheplumber 02.15.20	i mean you can be a right wing dipshit all you want, thats a matter of opinion, but to sit there and deny facts and logic...damn youre valk youre like one of those pinkhaired college girls youre scared of
mynameischan 02.15.20	Bernie voted for the war in Afghanistan and later admitted on live television that it was a mistake so the only flip flopping he does is the good kind
sonictheplumber 02.15.20	yeah thats really not a flip flop imo, thats like...growth lol. like tulsi realizing her teenage homophobia was wacko. the bad flip flopping is mayo pete's donors deciding that he no longer supports healthcare
Kompys2000 02.15.20	Yeah idk Bernie has legit weaknesses as a candidate but being a flip-flopper is not one of them
Valkoor952 02.15.20	@sonic dude everything you've laid out is a non-valid regurgitated talking point, like holy shit why are Bernie fans so fucking retarded. "can you name one example of bernie flipflopping on an issue? his platforms been the same since the 60s" Sure. Check out Bernie's comments on immigration 5 years ago, and check out Bernie's comments on immigration now and get back to me. in summation Bernie went from what one could consider a more nationalist stance on immigration (strict border control and anti-illegal immigration) to a "decriminalize illegal immigration and give every illegal immigrant free healthcare. Guess that check came through huh.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"you also claimed that his "non-interventionist rhetoric doesnt match his voting record on the issue"? this is like, literally false. not even a matter of opinion. he was one of the lone voices who voted against the war in iraq" but mUh BerNiE voTeD aGaINsT THe wAr In iRaQ. This shows how much you know about your own candidate, you're embarassing. A lot of Democrats voted against the second war in Iraq, they weren't voting against the war they were voting against George Bush. There was a divide on how the US went to war, Democrats wanted it to be more multilateral, while Republicans wanted it to be unilateral. Bernie had a problem with George Bush, not with attacking Iraq. Bernie has voted democrat 96% of the time. When Obama and Clinton wanted the war it was OK by Bernie to kill Iraqis, as long as there was a "D" next to the guys name. He even voted to finance the war in Iraq multiple times WHILE Bush was still president. Bernie supported and voted for the war in Afghanistan and still did up until 2,3 years ago when he suddenly changed his tune. He voted for the Obama Iran deal and supported sanctions all the way through. He voted for sanctions on libya, iran and iraq (from which hundreds of thousands died). He knew how many people the sanctions had killed (everyone knew), and yet he still voted for them. He supported a regime change in Iraq 1998 (Iraq Liberation act), he voted in favor of regime change with Libya. He was perfectly fine with going to war with Iraq when Obama was president. Bernie also voted to bomb Kosovo (one of his staff members resigned over it) He was pro-Al Qaeda in Syria, was constantly spouting rhetoric of how incredibly dangerous and evil Bashar Assad was, pushing the propaganda that he gassed his own people (to which significant contrary evidence has just recently been coming to light, but which everyone with half a brain and basic geopolitical awareness knew to be blatantly false back then). He was very pro-drone strike during Obama's years. Was also pro-Saudi Arabia during Obama years and thought they were the solution to fighting ISIS (Even though they are the ones who were funding them in the first place). Bernie has also supported intervention in Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Liberia, Zair, Kongo, Albania, Sudan and Ygoslavia. His ISIS strategy as I already mentioned as a whole was a complete joke.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"as for his medicare plan, it works for the rest of the world and even any flaws it comes with would be better than going bankrupt over a surgery." This whole "muh medicare for all worked for the whole world, ofc it will work for us" shtick is so tiring and so painfully ignorant that I'm starting to regret actually engaging in this conversation with you. You clearly don't know what Bernie's own medicare plan constitutes and includes let alone what the rest of the world has. To again summarize it, you could say Bernie's medicare plan has 4 main features: 1) Public Insurance Eligibility for all; 2) Banning all private insurance (except for cosmetic purposes/ elective services); 3) No copays or deductibles and 4) Public Plan that covers dental, vision, mental health, long-term care, hospital stays & primary care for all. Now out of all the countries that employ this so-called "same" system of medicare, the truth is literally none of them actually cover all 4 main features of Bernie's plan. What's more, most of them only cover the first feature that I've mentioned. Some cover 2, and very rarely up to 3 features (im not even sure there is a country covering 3 of them, can't think of one right now), but most cover one and none cover all four. That means that no country offers the benefits he promises, none eliminate the cost-sharing, few of them are as highly centralized and most of the countries do not ban all private insurance. Furthermore, why these 4 features together are a huge issue and a huge red flag is a discussion that I don't have the strength to engage in right now. You're a big boy, you can use the internet and do some research by yourself for once. "so yeah youre dumb as fuck and spouting pure shit" you hate to see it.
budgie 02.15.20	holy shit he's literally retarded, i feel bad now
sonictheplumber 02.15.20	thats a tldr brother lol. sorry you love war and love cancer bills
sonictheplumber 02.15.20	lol @ "he only voted against war cuz he didnt like bush" you are a foolish turd
Valkoor952 02.15.20	Damn, what happened to the factz and logic bros
Valkoor952 02.15.20	I am waiting to be destroyed by factz and truthbombs guys, make me FEEL the BERN
GhostB1rd 02.15.20	Beanie cannot win.
zaruyache 02.15.20	he's up in all the polls tho and all opposition is falling apart [123]
Deathconscious 02.15.20	"If that's the only bernie opposition you've ever interacted with i feel sorry for you" hardly, but its certainly some of the most retarded opposition ive ever seen.
budgie 02.15.20	deathconscious and i don't deal with bernie opposition often because we don't go to mental institutions often or 4th grade classes or 4chan
Trebor. 02.15.20	Bernie would have won in 2016 and he's going to win in 2020 and I will dance on the grave of centrist dems. After they vote blue no matter who first of course
budgie 02.15.20	just call centrists conservatives at this point trebor. sanders is pushing hard to normalize political culture and he's called a "radical socialist" (read that one today lol) but he's not a radical whatsoever. the entire political spectrum stateside is skewed so far right it makes political discourse nearly impossible to engage in
Itwasthatwas 02.15.20	What is “political culture”?
budgie 02.15.20	what was public conversation during french revolution what was public conversation during american revolution what was public conversation about how what policies senate should pursue during march 44 BCE rome what was public conversation during interwar europe these are political cultures
Kompys2000 02.15.20	I think the confusion, then, is over the word "normalize", since if it's in the public conversation it has already to some degree been normalized.
budgie 02.15.20	totally absolute complete true kompys, but i mean normalize in the context of discourse in the entire world not just US
CaliggyJack 02.15.20	The Democratic establishment have been in Trump's pocket forever. He was hanging with Democrats for years until very recently, and the actions of the party show their still allies, just secretly. Fucking Trump 2024 is upon us.
Itwasthatwas 02.15.20	lol not sure if serious
zaruyache 02.15.20	rich people have class unity, this is known. dnc is corporate and operates under the assumption of class unity of the rich, yeah. That's why nobody wants bernie because he's a grouchy fuck who doesn't like schmoozing with rich people.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"deathconscious and i don't deal with bernie opposition often because we don't go to mental institutions often or 4th grade classes or 4chan" No my dude, it's because you are literally a fucking idiot who does not have the tiniest clue of anything when it comes to politics and can't defend a position if you miserable life depended on it. But yeah buddy keep ignoring what I wrote because all of it is correct and you literally don't have an answer for any of it you brain-damaged waste of oxygen
Valkoor952 02.15.20	Yo @deathconscious @sonictheplumber What happened guys, im waiting for the factz come on. Drop that logic on me and let's get it over it. Any of the current bernie circle-jerkers itt can have a go at it, but you guys were pounding your chests with your pompous sense of intellectualism and political superiority, you got awfully quiet now that you don't have shit to say. Budgie is excused, we can't expect too much from people with mental defficiency and it's not healthy to continue pushing him to overwork his defective brain
wwf 02.15.20	personally, I would love to engage with you, but Bernie said no more targeted harassment online so
sonictheplumber 02.15.20	We have jobs valk your momma aint gonna fuck herself
sonictheplumber 02.15.20	Anyway I need some proof for your fake facts
Deathconscious 02.15.20	Valk is like that conspiracy nut who is so out of touch with reality and gets so much wrong that nobody wants to bother with him because refuting him would be exhausting, but then he takes it as a sign of his correctness lol.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"We have jobs valk your momma aint gonna fuck herself" oh snap rekt, what a savage "Anyway I need some proof for your fake facts" lmao I ain't proving anything to you. I already told you, you (supposedly) know how to use the internet, go and find these things yourself (look for congressional documents), I'm not about to individually source-check you the millions of things I dropped on you just to appease you. If you find something that is wrong or can't find a source I will gladly refer you to the actual source, but you only get one of those it's your choice on what you spend it on.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"Valk is like that conspiracy nut who is so out of touch with reality and gets so much wrong that nobody wants to bother with him because refuting him would be exhausting, but then he takes it as a sign of his correctness lol." "dude you are so wrong i can't even bother refuting, plus its all a conspiracy theory you conspiracy nut i don't wanna exhaust myself" damn man, that's "my dog ate my homework" level of excuse and bullshittery right here, except it's not even ironic. You fully realize you are the "intellectual" equivalent of Dave Rubin and gladly accept that fact, kudos.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	keep it up guys, it's truly fun to watch the mental gymnastics bernie bros can perform when backed into a corner
Kompys2000 02.15.20	I'll probably go through some of ur claims on my own time, in the highly unlikely event that I find they add up to a convincing case for changing my entire political worldview I'll get back at you Like I'm sorry but I'm not gonna drop everything and do an hour+ of research just so I can own some jackass on sputnik music dot com in what he deems to be a timely manner. I have shit to do.
Kompys2000 02.15.20	Anyway I think it's a little bit suspect that you want us to put all this legwork into refuting you point-by-point and then act like it's unreasonable to ask for sources for your claims. Just. Y'know, kinda weird, that.
Egarran 02.15.20	valk is gonna change his mind any day now
Deathconscious 02.15.20	"Lol ur copping out causw you cant win" "Ok, back up your claims." "No." Lol this is exactly what im talking about. Too dumb to bother with.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"Anyway I think it's a little bit suspect that you want us to put all this legwork into refuting you point-by-point and then act like it's unreasonable to ask for sources for your claims. Just. Y'know, kinda weird, that." I'm not here to educate you point by point my man, I've laid out about a hundred different factual claims and like you said im not about to collect and link sources to each one for some bernie retard to yet again ignore them due to cognitive dissinance of being exposed to evidence that bursts his bubble of illusions. Like I said, I'll gladly provide a source or two for claims that any of you can't find sources for (or find sources that directly refute mine), but im not gonna sit here and waste another afternoon to provide 1000 links when it's perfectly clear none of you are capable to admit when you are wrong.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"valk is gonna change his mind any day now" about what
Valkoor952 02.15.20	"I'll probably go through some of ur claims on my own time, in the highly unlikely event that I find they add up to a convincing case for changing my entire political worldview I'll get back at you" I mean I don't expect you to change your worldview over night, I realize that being bombarded with a ton of shit you didn't know at once is jarring and all but hey as long as you look into some of the stuff and take it into account when you think about voting for Bernie that's more than enough for me and already puts you ahead of belligerent morons like deathconscious or budgie.
Kompys2000 02.15.20	"I'm not here to educate you point by point" Couldn't have said it better myself
808thebassqueen 02.15.20	i too enjoy making unsourced claims and crying like a child when people ask for proof
Egarran 02.15.20	>about what Haha exactly. It's a PSA: Trying to change your mind is is a waste of time.
Valkoor952 02.15.20	my oh my sputnikmusic.com has successfully become worse than reddit
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808thebassqueen 02.15.20	valkoor is def a voat user
parksungjoon 02.15.20	"my oh my sputnikmusic.com has successfully become worse than reddit" at first i thought "children behave" but if you genuinely believe this then you deserve the namecalling from these blokes
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.20	is any of this on the pasta thread yet
Kompys2000 02.15.20	"Valkoor is def a voat user" Valkoor-est of all time?
Egarran 02.15.20	I have this feeling that Val got his ass kicked on reddit as well
budgie 02.15.20	hey egarran! im johnny my name is johnny and im 80% haggis
Egarran 02.15.20	I want some mayonnaise
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.20	hi budgie! i'm egarran my favourite food is mayonnaise with extra haggis
budgie 02.15.20	hi budgie! im egarran my favorite food is stegt flaesk med persillesovs og kartoffler
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.20	um who the fuck is budgie
parksungjoon 02.15.20	some cock rock band or something idk
zaruyache 02.15.20	you're thinking of the wiggles
Egarran 02.15.20	Lots of new users today
GhostB1rd 02.15.20	Beanie cannot win.
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.20	thank u ghost we have moved on how do you like your steak?
Dimorphic 02.15.20	The only people that genuinely believe Bernie cannot win the dem nom are genuine retards or people that only get their news from X-Corp Media.
Deathconscious 02.15.20	Once again, even Trump knows Bernie is the only one with a good chance of beating him.
Dimorphic 02.15.20	Honestly, I don't even live in the US, but Bernie fucking won both primaries despite what is generally considered as being a coordinated assassination of character against him by practically all mainstream media. If you still think of him as 'uNeleECtaBlE' then you're literally either an actual beyond saving dumbass or a victim of circumstance that maybe has a shot at redemption. Just use your fucking head.
budgie 02.15.20	expecting a trump supporter to ever not be a dumbfuck good luck bro
GhostB1rd 02.16.20	Medium rare. Beanie probably orders chicken instead.
GhostB1rd 02.16.20	At least he's a meat eater.
zaruyache 02.16.20	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn425KBIwvg&feature=youtu.be&t=11
sonictheplumber 02.16.20	Sup
Egarran 02.16.20	Let's be clear: Trump will likely win 4 more years. The economy is good and the voters tend to elect the most entertaining candidate. He has the backup of the senate and the dems are doing their usual incompetent things.
CaliggyJack 02.16.20	Tulsi2020
sonictheplumber 02.17.20	jill stein
GhostB1rd 02.17.20	Beanie cannot win.
zaruyache 02.17.20	lolsure
GhostB1rd 02.17.20	Beanie consistently cannot protect his mic.
GhostB1rd 02.17.20	How can he protecc the chidrens if he cannot protecc his mic? Important questions requiring answers.
mvdu 02.17.20	I don’t like to get into politics here, but Bernie is my #1 followed closely behind by Warren. This is certainly not an economy working for everyone. The rich and big corporations have never had it easier while the middle class is still struggling with way too high health care costs and wages not increasing much. It may take years to get Medicare for All passed, but we need an advocate. Beating Trump is #1, but I do want to see a candidate with bold goals. I would vote for any Democrat in the GE - even Bloomberg.
Deathconscious 02.17.20	Warren is an establishment shill dressed up in Bernie-isms. She was never serious about medicare for all.
mvdu 02.17.20	I agree that she wouldn’t try to bring progress like Bernie would, but she’s a step above the moderate crowd IMO.
Egarran 02.17.20	The promise of lower taxes works a lot like vaseline
sonictheplumber 02.28.20	mayo cheat
Egarran 02.29.20	As opposed to?
Deathconscious 02.29.20	Unpunchable
Josh D. 03.01.20	lol bye Pete
ArsMoriendi 03.01.20	He's gonna give all of his delegates to Biden and artificially put Biden in 1st Ugh
Josh D. 03.02.20	I already voted in Texas early vote, so just gotta wait until Tuesday, no use in fretting right now.
budgie 03.02.20	one poll i read had klobuchar as the highest 2nd choice for pete voters for some reason lol
Josh D. 03.02.20	polls are all over the damn place, but Bernie has had strong leads in California, Pennsylvania, and the Midwest so I'm optimistic.
budgie 03.02.20	i hope he crushes in texas too!
gryndstone 03.02.20	peepee buttgay...despicable little man
Taxt 03.02.20	He's looking good in MA too, which I hope would finally put the Warren campaign out of its misery
Invaderbryan 03.02.20	Trump 2020
budgie 03.02.20	trump for prison 2020
GhostB1rd 03.02.20	Josh are you one of those Dems who actually legit thought you were gonna "turn Texas blue" with Beto? That was class.
butt. 03.02.20	I mean Beto was definitely part of a big transition for TX. Most recently head-to-head polls only show trump with a couple points over any given candidate. And all polls have Bernie beating Biden there, which is even more telling tbh
GhostB1rd 03.02.20	"Most recently head-to-head polls only show trump with a couple points over any given candidate" Bet me all your money on this.
GhostB1rd 03.02.20	You guys we're gonna turn California red.
butt. 03.02.20	"Bet me all your money on this." I'm not saying I think a dem will win TX, but compare that to any point in the past. It's never been that close. TX has dramatically shifted closer to blue in the past couple years. I mean Beto O'Rourke, a guy who is pretty much anti-2A and wants to tear down the southern border, almost beat Ted fucking Cruz
budgie 03.02.20	"You guys we're gonna turn California red." AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fuck outta here shitbag
GhostB1rd 03.02.20	That was the most expensive loss in politics and he wasn't even within 200,000 votes plus half of Texans stayed home cause they didn't think Beto stood a chance.
GhostB1rd 03.02.20	budgie doesn't understand sarcasm at all
wwf 03.02.20	haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa get fucked forever pete
sixdegrees 12.09.20	who?
sonictheplumber 12.10.20	word
Egarran 12.10.20	The only thing worse than US libs is US conservatives
butt. 12.10.20	It true