SandwichBubble: Can any of you upload album art to albums without art?

SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Comment below, leave the snark at the door. This is a very serious inquiry.
luci 01.29.20	you have to ask the mods to fix album art on albums already in the database
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	You didn't have to before. Proof, I can do it without having to go to the meds thread.
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	bump for exposure
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Ghandhi, that album you used as a test still doesn't have art so it's pretty much confirmed that "base" users don't have the power to add art to already submitted albums anymore. What a weird thing to get axed.
dedex 01.29.20	I've tried multiple times (since the big crash) with .jpg smaller than 500x500 and it doesn't work.
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	^ exactly, the crash caused some sort of problem, or it's a deliberate choice. Maybe the crash was caused by users having that power before so they took it away? It's a conspiracy, I tell you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz2wnSVeITg
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	Or maybe this site is broken, outdated and poorly maintained...
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	I mean, that's a given. But why would I still be able to then. Just cause I've edited a bit more? I mean, if it really is tied to how many edits you've made pre-crash, then how are people supposed to transcend that barrier now? Just repeatedly add album art over and over in vain till they reach 1000 (or more) edits?
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Maybe this needs a clickbait-y title. "YOUR RIGHTS ARE BEING TRAMPLED ON: ALBUM ART CENSUS FOR THE FATE OF THE WORLD [REAL]"
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	Something else I don't think I have seen people mention is artist bios. I can't submit them.
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	I like that title more.
dedex 01.29.20	Have the mods confirmed it's tied to how many edits one has made pre-crash?
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	"Something else I don't think I have seen people mention is artist bios. I can't submit them." Well for those I still have to wait a day for mod approval. But if you're saying they don't work at all, then that's another problem on the pile. "Have the mods confirmed it's tied to how many edits one has made pre-crash?" No, but I think either an old staff/user mentioned it in the meds thread when I asked. Give me a minute and I'll see if I can find it.
Trifolium 01.29.20	''Ghandhi, that album you used as a test still doesn't have art so it's pretty much confirmed that "base" users don't have the power to add art to already submitted albums anymore. What a weird thing to get axed.'' I asked the mods about this a few months ago and the reply made me believe I was able to change album art from existing albums. It had to be 400x400 or less, .jpg format for it to work though. Wait a sec, going to look for the reply in the forum, hope I'll find my way out of there again...
Trifolium 01.29.20	The Great Jom himself told me this on 12-17-19: ''As long as you are meeting the parameters of images described in the original post, it should work (e.g. scale down Bandcamp art from 1200x1200 to < 500x500 px). I've adjusted the requested art, so hopefully upon refresh you see them as well. Cheers!'' The original post is as follows: ''Ideal image size would be 500x500px and no larger than 200kb. And whatever you do, do not try uploading artwork to an album several times in a row -- it will cause the album artwork to crash permanently. Make sure you are actually uploading a JPG or JPEG as well. No PNG or any other file type.''
Divaman 01.29.20	I just added the art for Jethro Tull's "An Introduction to Jethro Tull", an album that had no art (and an album that I wasn't the one who added to the database). I do have way more than 1,000 album edits, though. I can also submit artist bios. I submitted a couple last night. (Although as always, those have to be approved by the mods before they show up.)
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Here's the post in question and it actually was a mod (bad memory): https://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19340608&postcount=1669 "There were definitely users who were given special "privileges" regarding adding to the database and were allowed to upload and modify wihout having their changes sittng in the queue." While not a direct confirmation, the only people that I've seen that can edit album art still are those with a decent amount of edits (Asdfp277, Divaman, me). Safe to say that "special privileges" are probably auto-bestowed on people with more edits.
Trifolium 01.29.20	So the answer seems to be: yes, you can, as long as you stick to the rules (500x500 px max, .jpg or .jpeg only). It takes a while for the changes to come through too.
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	I care way too much about this, what a way to spend my day off.
Trifolium 01.29.20	I've got ''only'' 259 edits though...
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Trifolium, Ghandhi did a little test and unless the album art queue is backed up something fierce, his edit still hasn't gone through 2-3 days later.
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	I always scale images down to 200x200 and I still can not upload edits.
Trifolium 01.29.20	Hmmm, that is weird. Jom told me otherwise by the looks of it. Perhaps he was lying...
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	I doubt it was malicious, I think they really just think people are adding 1000px pngs or something. I wouldn't blame them.
JohnnyoftheWell 01.29.20	Yeah, I've done that a few times - 700x700 is a good comfort zone and I always type the .jpg tag out as part of the name
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	"1000px" But you can not upload images that big anymore. (on first submission)
Trifolium 01.29.20	The plot thickens. ''...and I always type the .jpg tag out as part of the name'' Ha, I do that too!
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	That's what I'm saying though Ghandhi, every time someone asks about the art, the go-to response is to make sure that it's the correct size and a jpg. But I'm sure people are adding it correctly, it's just not going through for most. Okay I don't have a better way of testing this so here's my bunk experiment. I added an album without art to the list. Here's the art in the correct size and format: http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/9349/cover_45513742015_r.jpg Anyone able to add it? (not asking you Diva, you 7000 edit powerhouse)
JohnnyoftheWell 01.29.20	Hi sir, may I have a prize Also added a tracklist because some monster missed that out
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	And it worked! Art is added. (Thanks for the tracklist too, above and beyond the line of duty) But you're a contrib, maybe y'all have "powers" too or something. This is impossible to gauge.
dedex 01.29.20	"I've got ''only'' 259 edits though..." Quick question, how come I can't see how many edits I've made? Ok so Johnny have master powers
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	how?????? stupid contrib powers
el_newg 01.29.20	my previous account seemed to be able to edit any albums without manual approval, haven't really tried with this one
JohnnyoftheWell 01.29.20	Oh shi dedex this is Missing Info and q scary - maybe it only shows up after a certain number of edits? I have a vague memory of not being able to edit art after getting contrib, but also it's very likely that I was continually resubmitting an oversized image so who knows? Also have a slightly less vague memory of editing being generally less stressful after the big server crash last year, so perhaps they broadened the range of people who could edit artwork then?
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	I have 521 Album Edits
dedex 01.29.20	I tried to upload the art, but alas... Thanks for the info, gotta hit that news article. I don't think it's related to the number of edits 'cause I added a shitload of French rap albums
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	Duplicate entry '345595' for key 'PRIMARY'
JohnnyoftheWell 01.29.20	Ugh triggered
Willie 01.29.20	Who has two thumbs and can upload artwork? "This Guy"
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Staff outta nowhere we're tryna do an experiment ya fool. Well, that's enough data I think. So that's two "base" (sorry, can't think of another word for y'all) users that can't add the art. While contribs, staff, and those with high album edits can. No idea what to do with this new info, but consider my theory confirmed.
dedex 01.29.20	Willie you cheater
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	Willie you dick
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Willie jump over the candlestick.
Sowing 01.29.20	mx wanted to fix the artwork abilities for you all but I vehemently fought the idea, stating that in order for the mods to consolidate power we need to leave the artwork broken so that we have full censorship/ownership.
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA But seriously, is mx working on a fix?
Sowing 01.29.20	absolutely maybe, but even more seriously probably not at all
0xME 01.29.20	i used to be able to, but when i did after the data loss every edit I make just leaves the album art as pure white so I haven't bothered since ¯_(ツ)_/¯
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	"but I vehemently fought the idea... so we have full censorship" What's the concern?
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	"absolutely maybe" Alright, that's good enough for me. 𝙲𝙰𝚂𝙴: 𝙲𝙻𝙾𝚂𝙴𝙳 Now I can finally shut up about it. Truly a glorious day.
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	not yet
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	I mean, all I wanted was confirmation that I wasn't a tinfoil hat conspiracy nut and that's what we got. The truth was indeed out there. Time to type up a report and sip some lukewarm coffee. Damn, I love being a private investigator.
el_newg 01.29.20	is there one more for a pleb user to try?
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Sure Album on list. Art in proper format: https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/5929c00e13d197565213b9b5/1:1/w_320/06ac8344.jpg
tempest-- 01.29.20	yeah just uploaded that img on this account and it seemed to work ;-]
dedex 01.29.20	yo wtf
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	So maybe it's less than a 1000 album edits. Maybe it's like 800?
GhandhiLion 01.29.20	Time to add lots of shit and rack up those edits
Trifolium 01.29.20	The Rules truly are complex it seems
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Might I suggest: - tracklist edits - release date edits And yes, life is a busted up machine.
Trifolium 01.29.20	I cannot ever change release dates on my own and it's driving me crazy. Each time I accidentally hit enter too soon while adding a new album I have to go to the forum to ask others to fix my mistakes.
el_newg 01.29.20	my thoughts previously had been that perhaps there was a shadow "editor" role that was assigned to users if they are consistently submitting releases correctly to the database, but that's mostly baseless so who knows.
Aerisavion 01.29.20	Think so, it just takes forever to update.
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Damn, even release dates are messed up? I shouldn't take my powers for granted. Wait, Aeri have you uploaded album art to a previously submitted album before? How long did it take for it to update?
Aerisavion 01.29.20	Yeah it took like a day or two but when I checked later it was there.
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Recently? Well, back to square one.
Willie 01.29.20	--we're tryna do an experiment ya fool.-- Ha ha. Was I supposed to read more than the list title? Seriously?
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	Scientists working with chemicals in the lab. Nude man waltzes in and pours apple juice into one of the boiling flasks. 10 found dead. Actually, your intrusion was useful. Showed that while two others couldn't upload, you could. So thanks :)
Divaman 01.29.20	Release dates have always been a bit of an issue. You have to check them after you submit the album -- sometimes, when you put in a date, if you don't click on it again when the site suggests years to you, if will upload the info with no date. Just another strange quirk of the site. Meanwhile, I'm still working my way through the all the albums I added last year that lost their album art last Labor Day. It's literally going to probably take me until this coming Labor Day to do it.
SandwichBubble 01.29.20	I thought that only happens with albums released in the year 2005. I haven't had any issues with any year besides that. Also, I'm impressed you're still going with the dedicated cleanup effort. I just do it whenever I see a busted album.
Divaman 01.29.20	I was able to take a screenshot of the site's list of all of the albums I added for the last year and a half before prior to Labor Day. I'm working my way backwards. I probably have about 10 months' worth done. Half of them, I don't even remember entering into the database anymore.
RogueNine 01.30.20	I've tried to upload a handful to albums that have the question mark as their album art. Fit the requirements and everything, but haven't got it to work.
Trifolium 01.30.20	Do they also change from the 📃 symbol into a plain blank field when you change them? Suggesting that the site feels there's something there but it just can't process the visuals? That happens to me all the time.
Aerisavion 01.30.20	“Recently? Well, back to square one.” Yeah it was a week or two ago while updating my shuffle a day list.,
SandwichBubble 01.30.20	Aeri, was one of them Twin Oaks? Because I'm the one that added art to that one. I'm one of the "contributors" down at the bottom and the art is in my pc's recycling bin right now. As I said, I kind of click around lists to check for blank album art. Any others you've tried adding recently?
Aerisavion 01.30.20	Ah. Yeah that was it, didn’t realise you’d done it instead, I figured it was just taking forever to update in true Sputnik fashion None that come to mind nope
SandwichBubble 01.30.20	Fuck. Well, back back back it up. I should stop doing that, it's messing with the data
Aerisavion 01.30.20	Cheers for fixing it though, it’s a great album
bloodshy 04.23.20	This thread made me cry more than the Notebook.
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	Powerful guerrilla journalism.
parksungjoon 04.23.20	dang was hoping for an update
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	Update: still broken. At least it's confirmed something's broken at this point. I remember when this was just a hypothesis I had, those golden days.
parksungjoon 04.23.20	when are staff gonna do something about it at least manually grant a few of us permission smh
Source 04.23.20	curse of the white squares
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	@park You could just edit the same album over and over until you get to 800-ish album edits. I really do think that's the magic number: 800. After that, you should be able to edit (if I'm right about all this). @Source Attack of the Gray [?]
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	Dumb lists like this are why I'll probably never be a moderator of sputnikmusic.com
FR33L0RD 04.23.20	Interesting infos
bloodshy 04.23.20	Do you need a certain number of album edits before you can see how many album edits you've made?
FR33L0RD 04.23.20	Funny true remark. lol
Source 04.23.20	you have to submit a news article
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	@FR33L0RD Thank you, please use this important info wisely. You've been given informations only a select few are worthy of. @bloodshy to see the number of edits you've made, you need to create: 1 news article 1 soundoff I think if you submit a news article, you should be able to see your number of album edits.
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	Or what Source said.
bloodshy 04.23.20	Thanks friends.
Source 04.23.20	:D
parksungjoon 04.23.20	sandwich yea but i dont to give them any more reasons to ban me :[
Source 04.23.20	i still haven't submitted one maybe i never will
bloodshy 04.23.20	Is it okay to post crap news about some band no one listens to releasing a new music video with a few quotes about an upcoming album, or does it have to be popular stuff?
parksungjoon 04.23.20	its ok yea
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	@parksungjoon Dumb suggestion, you're right. Maybe add a bunch of albums with no tracklist/wrong dates on purpose, then go in immediately and edit them? They can't ban you for that, surely. @Source I say do it, you have nothing to lose. @bloodshy 20/25 of the news articles I've made are for crap no one cares about, you'll be fine.
Source 04.23.20	that's all news articles are bloodshy lol
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	sputnikmusic.com: your leading source for Mushroomhead news
Source 04.23.20	came for the dark tranquillity reviews, stayed for the puddle of mudd news articles
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	I'm not looking for much in a man All I want a gentleman with just about 800 album edits on sputnikmusic.com to experiment with. Is that too much to ask?
parksungjoon 04.23.20	> They can't ban you for that, surely. you're too much of a goodie two shoes to know what they can and cant ban you for once they have you in their sights
SandwichBubble 04.23.20	I have to face facts. I unwittingly became a bootlicker at some point. I'm disgusted with myself, don't look at me.
bloodshy 04.23.20	I guess I'm only at 122 album edits. https://www.sputnikmusic.com/news/41520/OBrother-Drops-2nd-Single/ Not sure it's approved yet.
GhandhiLion 05.09.20	It's 872 edits
parksungjoon 05.09.20	big if true
bloodshy 05.10.20	I'm up to 261 now. It's only a matter of time.
GhandhiLion 05.10.20	830+ here. All hope is lost
bloodshy 05.10.20	Hey, hey... you must have been joking about the 872 then? Bummer.
GhandhiLion 05.10.20	No, no. I was being serious. That's the magic number
GhandhiLion 05.10.20	User tempest-- had 899 edits. So that is when I give up on this old wives tale
bloodshy 05.10.20	and hope is restored!
SandwichBubble 05.10.20	"tempest-- had 899 edits" This is the mark to hit then. If it doesn't work after that then you guys will just have to live with it, cause I'm out of ideas.
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	It didn't work. Time to revolt.
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	Where's my rage against the machine greatest hits cd Honestly, if that didn't work, then it really is bugged for everyone that didn't pass the 800+ edits auto-approval before August 2019. Y'all are boned until they fix it.
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	fix it like when they fixed tracklists
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	Yes Last time we reverted to a cached 2017 version of sput Next time: 2015
parksungjoon 05.12.20	2005 pls
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	take me back to mxtabs.com (not songster)
parksungjoon 05.12.20	take me down to paradise city
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	where the art is gone and the UI's shitty
JustJoe. 05.12.20	hey sandwich i posted a query in the meds thread about artwork
JustJoe. 05.12.20	perhaps could use your expertise
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	That grainy/glichy effect on album art isn't your fault, sput can't handle gradients on album art. Probably because it's working off a system that's 15 years old.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	i guess i’ll just heal overtime
JustJoe. 05.12.20	thanks anyway man 😁
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	Yeah, on that particular album, the art goes from light gray to white, sput can't handle it so it just makes it a gross, glitchy block of color. I think. And you're welcome.
parksungjoon 05.12.20	no YOU are welcome
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	I are welcome. We are welcome.
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	I'm kind of bummed that album art privileges are locked out from 95% of users for now, that sucks. But on the plus side, I'm gonna hit 10k edits sooner rather than later with all the art I've been fixing recently.
parksungjoon 05.12.20	can u fix mantas' demo? dunno why it says 1983. its from sept. 7th 1984
JustJoe. 05.12.20	locked in what way
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	for now, forever
Satellite 05.12.20	TIL not everyone can edit album art. i feel special. brb gonna change tdagarim to lemon party.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	i think i can too but maybe i can’t
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	@parksungjoon done @Joe most users can't add album art to albums that haven't been given art (gray ? box art) or have broken art (plain white box art), while some can (contribs, staff, me for some reason, divaman, etc.). @Ghandhi my shoutbox will be nothing but album art requests till the end of time, I've accepted it.
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	@Satellite were you a contrib/staff at some point? Cause you being able to edit with 492 album edits throws my "data" off entirely. "i think i can too but maybe i can’t" Wanna test it? Here's some album art for Bloodthirsty Butchers (entry 14 on the list): https://i.imgur.com/k1uU9Qd.jpg
parksungjoon 05.12.20	bless
JustJoe. 05.12.20	just checked & i can too at least on the gray box ones
JustJoe. 05.12.20	unless i only could because i was the one who originally added the album in which case flex rescinded
Satellite 05.12.20	didn't know about that distinction, sand. i've always been able to add art. with my 0 reviews i've always sadly been passed over when it comes to staff/contrib status. just added the art for 14, so it still works for me. does join date maybe have anything to do with it?
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	the plot thickens
JustJoe. 05.12.20	i like this game though give me [another] one to test
Satellite 05.12.20	also i used to add a ton of bands/albums to the db. maybe that affects whether or not editing album art is possible?
JustJoe. 05.12.20	smae
parksungjoon 05.12.20	adding bands and albums counts towards your edits @joe et al: go wild https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Motive/108090/ https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Motive/2897
Satellite 05.12.20	@joe, sorry to hijack your test. i just wanted to know whether or not i was still able to add art.
Deez 05.12.20	New albums I can. Old albums with no art or white pictures/deleted/lost I cant. It stays white
JustJoe. 05.12.20	shit i added the “worn down dream” one
JustJoe. 05.12.20	no worries satellite 😃
CugnoBrasso 05.12.20	In 2022 we will have to ask the mods to rate an album
JustJoe. 05.12.20	ya boi got tha touch
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	@Satellite Now we're getting somewhere. The threshold for unmoderated album editing may have been even lower than I thought (sub-500 album edits). @JustJoe. That's another "base" user that can do it. You guys are challenging everything I thought I knew about this site. "i used to add a ton of bands/albums to the db" That might be a reason, both you and joe have early (by comparison) join dates so maybe it's tied to that? I'm not even sure anymore.
Relinquished 05.12.20	I think the time to care about such things in a broken system to begin with already long passed
JustJoe. 05.12.20	well if it’s any consolation my band/album edit stats don’t show up on my page
JustJoe. 05.12.20	mods don’t know how to remedy it either though jots said perhaps it’s because i lack a news article to my name
parksungjoon 05.12.20	> perhaps it’s because i lack a news article to my name nah i didnt have one until very very recently. couldnt and still cant anyway if u need more testing fodder: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Turbo/4205/ https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Turbo/3536
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	@Relinquished caring about things everyone's long since stopped caring about is my MO @JustJoe. yeah, you need to add a news article for it to show up @park Yeah you can, it's right there on the left of your profile Soundoffs 91 News Articles 1 Band Edits + Tags 286 Album Edits 474
JustJoe. 05.12.20	enjoying the air of anonymity more than my need to know those stats at the moment
parksungjoon 05.12.20	oh nvm i misunderstood i thought he implied a connection between editing capabilities and having a news article / seeing the stats im dumb
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	"enjoying the air of anonymity more than my need to know those stats at the moment" Not sure what that means, but I'll respect it. "im dumb" We're all dumb here. You can be dumb too.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	it feels cool to be able to edit artwork without anyone knowing if my actual numbers would warrant the strange privilege
parksungjoon 05.12.20	You're cool in general tbh
parksungjoon 05.12.20	Also warrant the strange privilege is the name of my noise rock band
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	@JustJoe. That's chaos. This is a scientific experiment son, you should be tripping over yourself to help your fellow countrymen figure this out. I'm gonna assume you have fewer than 500 too, which means album editing privileges probably have more to do with how early you started adding art to the site rather than the quantity of art. If so, then this truly is a lost cause. @park He's got magical fonzie powers for sure.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	quality band name let’s be real here
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	Maybe it's bands added instead of albums?
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	Also, I like how one of the supposed reasons for the change was that mods worried users would use the power for bad. DUMB REASON.
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	Honestly, with all that we've learned today, I'm starting to doubt that there is a method that works. Pretty sure most users are SOL until they fix it / change their minds. See you all in 2025.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	well if you were around when posting images in threads was allowed you might understand their fears
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	I wasn't around then, but I can imagine. But it'd be useful to have that back so I didn't have to link images like a chump.
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	What is currently stopping me from creating a band page called -_)=df--=- and uploading hundreds of pictures of naked catgirls? I really doubt that giving some people the privilege to edit art would increase the number of cases of misuse. There are already ways to do that.
parksungjoon 05.12.20	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/soundoff.php?albumid=163888
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	^just think of this. but way worse and 0 ratings.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	there is a better solution for them to implement but i ain’t in charge so i will shrug my shoulders thusly 🤷‍♀️
Satellite 05.12.20	back in the day we used to be able to post images on review comment pages. it took one disgruntled user named MJ and many, many images of diseased penises to ruin that for everyone.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	thank you george constanza
Satellite 05.12.20	prophecy foretells that one day he will return to sputnik with a ctts thinkpiece that will spark the revolution.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	it’s what the public needs in these dark times
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	sputniks most notorious enemy is 25+ characters https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/The-of-a-Man-and-a-Woman/123263/
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	No that's because the word Union can't be used in a band name. I'll try fixing it, one sec.
sixdegrees 05.12.20	sput union busting smh
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	@GhandhiLion Also, you left another space after "Shellac" fool. (fixed it) @sixdegrees They knew it would come to war one day
JustJoe. 05.12.20	thinking fellers onion local 123
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	Hey, I led the committee to fix that one. I think the compromise we met (Thinking FellersUnion Local 282) works well enough. Scared to think how many people are gonna copypaste their name into the search, get nothing, and make an unnecessary duplicate page though. Haunting stuff.
Sinternet 05.12.20	I think Thinking Fellers Union... would work better in that case tbh, prevents that from happening i can def edit art ftr
madrigal30 05.12.20	fwiw i edited album art on a submission that i made, and it was my first time editing album art. this was a month ago.
sixdegrees 05.12.20	the question with this site is always what fascinating new glitch will manifest itself next
GhandhiLion 05.12.20	"Thinking FellersUnion Local 282" huh? You really can't put Union in the name? I thought that was a joke lmao
JustJoe. 05.12.20	has to do with like coding or some shit
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	"think Thinking Fellers Union... would work better" Maybe, but that leaves out half the band's name. "i can def edit art ftr" And you've probably edited plenty of albums prior to 2019, so that makes sense. @madrigal30 Do you remember which album it was? Not that I'm doubting you, but there's a chance someone added it after you did. If you're willing to do a test for me, I added another art-less album. Here's the art: https://i.imgur.com/UAFsIVY.jpg
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	"You really can't put Union in the name?" Nope, just deletes the word. And "coding or some shit" seems right, I'm not a computer guy.
JustJoe. 05.12.20	honestly this is just a fun game now
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	I like thinking of it as more of a bottom-tier Sherlock Holmes novel
JustJoe. 05.12.20	imagine if sputnik published a book
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	https://cdn.anotherread.com/jackets/9780711258365-400.jpg
madrigal30 05.12.20	sandwich it was the album i made, i'm currently digging it but i definitely did it myself
SandwichBubble 05.12.20	Just so I know for sure, try adding art to this release: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/editalbum.php?id=301529 https://i.imgur.com/UAFsIVY.jpg
JustJoe. 05.13.20	man i must be bored i keep checking back to see the verdict
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	I think I made an incorrect judgement of character. I don't think he cares that much. Worth a shot though.
madrigal30 05.13.20	was watching a 100 gecs live vid will attempt now
madrigal30 05.13.20	update: says it has to be like, moderated, but it went thru
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	We'll see if that works in a couple of days. Thanks. And no one else get any funny ideas, if you edit anything you'll show up in the contributor's section and I'll harbor resentment for you for the rest of time.
JustJoe. 05.13.20	i would never
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	Let's hope others feel the same. I'm patrolling from a watchtower, protect that album at all costs.
grannypantys 05.13.20	I tried to upload art and tracklist for the only Ryo Kawasaki album on the site but it no work good
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	↑ Broken album art system made this man CRY. They can't keep getting away with it.
JustJoe. 05.13.20	fixed it for ya
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	You've been shadowbanned from posting on my list. Good day.
JustJoe. 05.13.20	not the trial one the other one
JustJoe. 05.13.20	unless i wasn’t supposed to do that
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	Oh okay, that's fine. I mean sorry I thought I heard something, must've been the wind or a shadowbanned individual.
JustJoe. 05.13.20
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	ＴｈｅＳｏｕｎｄｓｏｆＳｉｌｅｎｃｅ
bloodshy 05.13.20	Tbh, ive fucked up so many albums that ive added. I was holding onto hope that i could go back through and fix them all some day, but now im wondering if i should just stay away from it and stop contributing to the site
JustJoe. 05.13.20	🥺
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	At least you know now, bloodshy. If it's really bothering you, you could always ask for the meds to fix it (provide the album art in a link): https://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19346699#post19346699 Or just link the broken album here or in my shoutbox and I'll fix it.
JustJoe. 05.13.20	or ask me i wouldn’t mind either
JustJoe. 05.13.20	we’re here to help 😄
bloodshy 05.13.20	Thanks guys. I might end up just making a list for it eventually.
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	Sputnikmusic.com's very own Geek Squad
JustJoe. 05.13.20	can you just feel me forcibly nudging myself into importance
grannypantys 05.13.20	ITS BEEN FIXED!!! thank you kind stranger life is now a little brighter
SandwichBubble 05.13.20	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDAoJIJ2ljU We salute you, kind stranger. 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘣𝘦...
SandwichBubble 03.12.22	This still isn't fixed, I assume.
FR33L0RD 03.15.22	Information sharing; with my stats here, and only 1 news article posted today, band edits & album edits, pop up in my profile Soundoffs 176 News Articles 1 Band Edits + Tags 228 Album Edits 239 Album Ratings 2581
Avagantamos 03.15.22	maybe jom got tired of fixing the artworks himself that I would post links for in the meds thread, cuz now I can just do it myself
parksungjoon 03.15.22	maybe i should try
parksungjoon 03.15.22	looks like still no even with Band Edits + Tags 797 Album Edits 918
SandwichBubble 03.15.22	I've given up on them ever fixing it, because it seems like they still think it's user error and I don't have the willpower to try to explain what's happening to them. Even if they did believe me, they don't seem to have very much say in how the site works/functions. If it were broken for everyone, I wouldn't even care. But the fact that a select few can add art to artless albums without moderator approval just confuses me. I just want to know what I did to get access so I can pass it along to the rest of you.
parksungjoon 03.15.22	>they don't seem to have very much say in how the site works/functions. well yeah only mx does and he shows up once every couple years these days
parksungjoon 03.15.22	>But the fact that a select few can add art to artless albums without moderator approval just confuses me. honestly im not sure why it IS the case here, BUT in theory at least it would make sense for an understaffed site to allow several trusted users to work more effectively in improving the db without otherwise giving them full moderation privileges
SandwichBubble 03.15.22	The whole reasom why I thought it was tied to the amount of album edits you have is because I thought it was bestowed automatically. Like, you cross a certain number of edits, the site trusts you, gives you album art privileges. Because I doubt mx came down from the heavens to give like 10-20 users "the power." So it's either automatic, locked out forever and only a few people got access, or the mods CAN bestow "the power" and just don't.
Trifolium 03.15.22	Still crazy indeed. I'd love to help, but the site just won't let me. There still is sooooooo much album art to restore after the last Huge Meltdown happened. There are so many artist pages like this one still: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/John-Tejada/69118/
SandwichBubble 03.15.22	I'm still catching gray question marks and white blank squares out in the wild 3 years later as well. My will's being broken.
Sowing 03.15.22	If you'd be so kind as to summarize this for me (because I'm too lazy to read 200+ comments)? Is the gist that people can't upload album artwork even when it's 500x500 or smaller and less than 200kb, or is it more curiosity as to why some users seem to be able to bypass approval?
Trifolium 03.15.22	As far as I understand it both of your summaries are correct Sowing. Plus don't forget that they're .jp(e)gs too so we're doing everything as the system requires it but the art never updates.
Sowing 03.15.22	Are we taking into account that the artwork requires approval? So, for example, if you are unable to add artwork currently, you might try now while informing me of the artist and album name so that I can see what the issue is when it hits the moderator approval queue.
Trifolium 03.15.22	I have just added a 499x499 .jpg of 31kb to this album through the 'Edit albums' menu: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/soundoff.php?albumid=279557 (John Tejada - The Matrix Of Us)
Sowing 03.15.22	It's showing as broken for me in the approval queue. Can you link me to the exact image you're using?
parksungjoon 03.15.22	>is it more curiosity as to why some users seem to be able to bypass approval? its this
Trifolium 03.15.22	https://imgur.com/a/mRJaHEs This is the image I used.
Sowing 03.15.22	OK. I rejected that upload on purpose because it was just going to give the album the white square. Can someone else who allegedly has upload abilities try using the exact image linked by Trifolium in the above post? (@Sandwich perhaps?)
Sowing 03.15.22	Re: the 2019 hypothesis - Trifolium's join date is June 2018, and the AWS meltdown that would have caused any issues was Sept 2019. So in theory (at least as it relates to the 2019 crash theory), Trif should have been able to add the above artwork with moderator approval. There would be no reason for it to be white-squaring his submissions when it is 499x499 and well under 200 kb. I have another theory of my own. When the 2019 crash occurred, it wiped out data after 2017. I do not have visibility into the site script or anything close to it, but if certain user abilities were not restored then it would make sense why Sandwich (2015) can add artwork but Trifolium (2018) cannot. Further compounding matters is that if Sandwich is one of the alleged users who can bypass approval, then we really need someone else who is encountering issues to test. What we need to see is; (1) can all users who joined and/or edited albums pre-2017 (or 2019? I'm unsure what the tipping point in time was) still at the very least have their 500x500 or smaller and 200kb or smaller submissions show up properly in the moderator approval queue and, (2) do all users who joined after 2017/2019 (?) have their submissions show up as the white square of death? If this is indeed the case, and it is split down either a 2017 or 2019 fault line, then it is most likely due to the AWS outage and we can point the issue out to mx. It still doesn't explain why some users can bypass the approval queue altogether, but to me the bigger issue is that many users are correctly submitting the artwork and are still getting the white square of death. I don't want to approach mx about it until I have some clarity over exactly what the issue is, though. I'm willing to run through scenarios with users in this thread as my own time permits, so please don't feel like we're ignoring the problem out of spite/apathy.
SandwichBubble 03.15.22	"Can someone else who allegedly has upload abilities try using the exact image linked by Trifolium in the above post? (@Sandwich perhaps?)" Done.
parksungjoon 03.15.22	i submitted one for william ackerman - it takes a year
Sowing 03.15.22	I didn't get anything in my approval queue and I see the artwork is fixed, so I guess that just confirms what we already knew (that you can somehow bypass moderator approval). So what we might want to try now is what I suggested in the long post above. We need to select a new album without art (there's plenty on that John Tejada page) and - one at a time while waiting for me to check the queue in between - have a user from pre-2017 try a proper less than 500x500 / less than 200kb submission to see if it shows up correctly in my approval queue. If it does, then I'd like to try a user with a join date from 2020 or later with a different album from the John Tejada page. If they follow the correct image parameters and it shows up as broken, then there might be a legitimate case to be made for the AWS crash having fucked up user permissions past a certain point in time. I'm switching over to mobile for a while but will do my best to continue to support these troubleshooting efforts while watching the kids. Thanks everyone for helping.
Sowing 03.15.22	@parks: your image showed up as a white square so I rejected it. Were the parameters correct and it was a jpeg? You joined in 2013 so by virtue of the 2017/19 crash theory you should be golden as long as the images are smaller than 500x500/200kb (unless these parameters have been wrong all along - could try even smaller like 100x100 and 30kb or smaller just to see if that passes the test - it would at least rule out the 2017/19 theory if that works)
parksungjoon 03.15.22	yea it was a 450x450 jpeg 39kb in size
Sowing 03.15.22	Try going even smaller just for shits and giggles. Make it 100x100 and 20kb or less if possible
Trifolium 03.15.22	And thank you Sowing for this substantial theorizing and trying to figure out what the issue is! I'm sure we'll be able to crack this nut through the power of team work!!! Sesame Street in real life but then online! Shall I ask occy for a test run (he joined October 2020)? Oh no wait, he's contrib now maybe that might mess up things?
Sowing 03.15.22	Let's just stick to regular users
SandwichBubble 03.15.22	@Sowing GhandhiLion and I did our own test a few years ago, which led to the initial discovery. It's actually why this list exists in the first place. And his account was made in 2016.
Sowing 03.15.22	So was Ghandi able to upload properly with mod approval, were they able to bypass, or were they running into problems every time?
SandwichBubble 03.15.22	If I remember right, it would just give him a white square like everyone else that's tried it. We even gave it a few days to see if it just needed to go through the queue, but after three days, it was still broken.
parksungjoon 03.15.22	oki i sized it down to 99x99 and 4kb and sent again
Trifolium 03.15.22	Asked Purpl3Spartan, join date 03-19-21, regular user. Don't know whether Purpl3 is online though.
Sowing 03.15.22	I wonder if that was an isolated incident or if it would occur consistently. If the latter, then it would point to either (1) the 2017/2019 crash wiping out abilities for all non-bypass enabled users regardless of join date or, (2) an alteration to the established upload parameters that went uncommunicated. We can test the latter with a very small upload (less than 100x100, minimal kb) from a user who is usually unable to upload.
Sowing 03.15.22	@parks checking now
SteakByrnes 03.15.22	I've tried in the past to edit album art using the required parameters and it works sometimes and other times it gives me the white square so idk what causes it. That's why I just go to meds forum for album art fixes now
Sowing 03.15.22	Still no dice parks. Does this issue occur on new album uploads or only edits of existing ones?
Sowing 03.15.22	@Steak it could have to do with the number of attempts. If there have been multiple upload attempts it tends to give you the white square, which is why troubleshooting this is such a pain because to remove that variable we technically should be testing with a new album every single time.
parksungjoon 03.15.22	>Still no dice parks. Does this issue occur on new album uploads or only edits of existing ones? it has never occurred to me when adding new albums to the db, not even with images that are like 600x600 for example
Sowing 03.15.22	I have both pre-2017 and post-2019 alts at the user level, so perhaps I can look into this when time permits on my own without necessitating so much back-and-forth. I have an appointment now and will be offline for at least an hour, but I'll check back in later.
SteakByrnes 03.15.22	@sowing true, could be attempts made prior to me doing it that are fucking with it. Like park said tho it never happens to me when adding new albums to the db, I always get that to work at least
SandwichBubble 03.15.22	Can I just say, trying to properly articulate this issue using sputnikmusic comments is torture. It's like getting instructions on how to build a car through voicemail. But I am glad that me bumping this list two years later could get the ball rolling on something at least.
Trifolium 03.15.22	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Bill-Evans/3603/ If you are ever in need of more grey-square albums, Bill Evans has many of them sadly/luckily.
SandwichBubble 03.15.22	And if it could be of use, I also have my own alt account with a joined date of 10-11-18 I've used it before to check if I could edit pre-existing albums, but I couldn't. https://www.sputnikmusic.com/user/candlejackofficial
Sowing 03.16.22	Who else, if anyone, is able to successfully submit artwork on a consistent basis (with or without bypassing the moderator approval queue)?
arf 03.16.22	I can. Arbitrary dimensions even (as long as it's smaller than ~800kb)
Sowing 03.16.22	Would you mind submitting artwork for any album that needs it? (just tell me the artist name and album name, and make sure it is within the uploader's parameters). If you need an artist page to fix there are a couple linked within the last several comments.
arf 03.16.22	Uploaded for Bill Evans - Portraiture.
FR33L0RD 03.16.22	Information sharing 14 march with my stats here, and only 1 news article posted today, band edits & album edits, pop up in my profile Soundoffs 176 News Articles 1 Band Edits + Tags 228 Album Edits 239 Album Ratings 2581 ------------------ Update 15 march; false flag sorry, ohh, this is weird, Now my profile revert back to; Soundoffs 176 Album Ratings 2581 Objectivity 71% can no longer see band edits/album edits. Strange behavior, not important, but still weird
Sowing 03.16.22	@arf: that never crossed my approval queue and the artwork is now showing. So you must be like Sandwich. Can you try another just to rule out that another mod didn't beat me to the approval in those few seconds?
arf 03.16.22	ayy I got Band Edits + Tags 666, nice did the same for The Solo Sessions Vol. 1 and 2 and the image appeared immediately
bgillesp 03.16.22	Subscribing cuz im interested. Will try to participate by finding an artwork that needs fixing
Sowing 03.16.22	OK thanks arf. I still have not encountered a user that is able to submit artwork that appears successfully in the moderator queue. So far it's only been people who can't upload anything at all, or people who can bypass the approval entirely. I don't see any special usergroup permission overlap between Sandwich and arf, which leads me to believe that perhaps there is an album edit threshold (1,000?) that allows users to bypass moderator approval. A lot of site functionality was lost after the AWS power surge wiped out the server in Sept 2019 - I find it unlikely to be a coincidence that this thread started in Jan 2020, given that it would take some time for users to realize that something was awry. My current hunch is that certain specific users who reached whatever milestone (I am woefully unaware of what this is) retained some sort of special permission that weathered the server crash, while everyone else's permissions were erroneously nixed and the issue was possibly never even addressed (on Sputnik? no fucking way!) The above hunch would be disproved if I could find some users who can successfully submit artwork while still requiring mod approval; then I could inspect their permissions to see where (if anywhere) they differ from users who meet a brick wall with every submission attempt.
bgillesp 03.16.22	Tried uploading for The Home Team- Slow Bloom using the art from their bandcamp page: https://revivalrecs.bandcamp.com/album/slow-bloom Resized it to 400x400. It appears I do not have the magic touch, but i have editied art in the past and it worked I'm pretty sure, but maybe that was before the crash.
bgillesp 03.16.22	My stats currently (thought this would be higher, did these get wiped with the crash?): Band Edits + Tags 270 Album Edits 175
Sowing 03.16.22	Thanks for trying bgillesp. Your submission crossed the approval queue but was met with the white square of death so I rejected it. I'm not sure if stats were lost during the crash - it's entirely possible.
bgillesp 03.16.22	I know I have added albums to the DB recently where the artwork immediately went through (Devin Townsend- Dreampiece for example), but I guess that's a different process
Sowing 03.16.22	Yes, the issue seems to be less with adding new albums and more with editing the artwork for existing entries.
SandwichBubble 03.16.22	"My current hunch is that certain specific users who reached whatever milestone (I am woefully unaware of what this is) retained some sort of special permission that weathered the server crash, while everyone else's permissions were erroneously nixed" This HAS to be it.
Trifolium 03.16.22	Yes it all points in that direction. What a lovely mystery to solve!
fogza 03.16.22	Is there no table in the database (I'm assuming it's a mySQL db) which stores user permissions? Surely we could just compare someone who can do it with someone who can't
Purpl3Spartan 03.16.22	I have arrived
Trifolium 03.16.22	Yippee! I think Sowing already found out what might be the case, but it's good of you to come and witness this great mystery regardless!
Purpl3Spartan 03.16.22	I feel like I have stumbled upon a deep rooted conspiracy
Trifolium 03.16.22	Just to make sure: the John Tejada record I tried to artworkify yesterday (The Matrix Of Us) now has artwork! Glorious! Did you do that Sowing, or did the system work in the end?
Sowing 03.16.22	It's very much a hypothesis, as Sandwich denoted in his latest update to the list. I still feel like I've seen successful artwork changes in the approval queue within the last few months, which would muddle the clearly defined line between the "bypassers" and the "always rejected". I feel like we're starting to at least be able to define the issue, though, which is the bare minimum I'd need to add this to the massive list of demands that we just sent to mx (genre tags, updates, et al). Although if we can concretely prove this issue and describe it in a way that makes sense, then I imagine this would be one of the more important bugs to fix. ---"Is there no table in the database (I'm assuming it's a mySQL db) which stores user permissions? Surely we could just compare someone who can do it with someone who can't"--- @fogza - Yes, users do fall into some (mostly pre-defined) roles. The problem is that despite my best efforts, I have not been able to identify correlation (let alone proving causation). For example, Sandwich has a separate role that I was convinced was directly responsible for his ability to bypass mod approval; however, I then stumbled upon arf, who does not possess said role yet he can also bypass approval with the exact same base permissions as every other user on the site. Hopefully that makes sense, but the TL;DR here is that while specific roles do exist, there are users without any roles beyond what you get when you first register who are still able to bypass mod approval -- and that, to me at least, suggests some sort of album edit threshold serving as the key to unlock that ability. ---"Just to make sure: the John Tejada record I tried to artworkify yesterday (The Matrix Of Us) now has artwork! Glorious! Did you do that Sowing, or did the system work in the end?"--- @Trifolium - No, this was arf, who apparently also had album edit abilities.
fogza 03.16.22	ok, so maybe it's some business logic layer, like when you click submit on the album edit the scripting queries against thresholds with values attached to the submitting user. if that's true i wonder if it stores those thresholds as database values or if they're hard coded in the server side scripting. so weird.
Sowing 03.16.22	Yeah, I wish I could answer questions about the site's code but I have no visibility into that. The only thing we can really hope to do is concretely define what the problem is, narrow down to likely causes, and then engage the site's owner when he actually possesses some free time.
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	I had a brief read of what you guys have been talking about. Are my services required? i.e. do you need me to run a test for a larger sample size? My join date is 02-23-17 if that helps. I have previously completed some edits, although the list looks smaller than expected. By memory it usually takes a little while for my edits to appear... I presume they are being approved first, yet I don't think this is always the case, weirdly.
Sowing 03.16.22	@Demon - feel free to submit an edit to an album lacking artwork and I can check. Just make sure it is smaller than 500x500 and less than 200kb. And a JPG, obviously.
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	yep, should be done now. I uploaded art for 'The Processing Machine' by John Tejada (as it had been pointed out several were missing). Nothing appeared, so I went back to upload the same file again and I received the 'duplicate entry' message - presumably (if processed correctly) it is now awaiting approval then? Let's see.
Sowing 03.16.22	It showed up as a white square so I rejected it, but now I'm not sure if it was because you tried to upload it twice in a row. If you want, try again with a different album.
SandwichBubble 03.16.22	Gonna nail my thesis to mx's door tonight
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	oh right, I'll try a different one then. Hang on a sec...
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	I tried 'Where' by John Tejada instead any luck?
Sowing 03.16.22	@Demon - No dice, still a white square. I'm beginning to wonder if the ones you remember going through successfully were the result of the mods seeing the white square in the approval queue and then proceeding to fix it themselves (ftr, I do this all the time). As long as you're certain that the artwork met the uploader's criteria (500x500 or smaller, less than 200kb, JPG file type) then I think it's yet another tally in the column of "this shit's broke yo".
Sowing 03.16.22	Just to get our ducks in a row, can anyone try adding a "test" album to the John Tejada page with random artwork (keep it appropriate please)? I can delete it right after, but I want to confirm that artwork additions function properly when adding a new album to the database (I believe they do).
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	the sizes are tiny, a matter of 20-30kb and I reduced them down to 200x200. File type is definitely .jpg as well
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	if you upload / edit an artist's page, could you then potentially appear on the list of 'contributors'? I'm sure I created YAYA KIM's page complete with the artwork, someone else must've been doing so almost simultaneously if whatever I did failed to work. How strange.
Sowing 03.16.22	Yes I believe you show up as a contributor for the page once you upload an album. You can try a test album right now if you want ;-)
Trifolium 03.16.22	I have never had any issues with adding a new release (including artwork), and I do this daily or weekly. It worked this time too: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/soundoff.php?albumid=422577
parksungjoon 03.16.22	I have never had any issues with adding a new release (including artwork), and I do this daily or weekly. [2] >if you upload / edit an artist's page, could you then potentially appear on the list of 'contributors'? if you edit the page itself, i.e. bio or similars, yea if you just add albums or vote on genres, no in my experience
gschwen 03.16.22	Is this the place where we flag mods to fix stuff? Can you change the “We Are The Union” band page to have the name spelled correctly? You can only get there by typing “We Are The”.
Trifolium 03.16.22	"if you edit the page itself, i.e. bio or similars, yea if you just add albums or vote on genres, no in my experience" Same.
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	I've definitely edited things in the past and shown up as a 'contributor' so some of my edits must have worked at some point, I'll check
parksungjoon 03.16.22	>Can you change the “We Are The Union” band page to have the name spelled correctly? You can only get there by typing “We Are The”. hahahahahah there's your second example of UNION being fucked Trif and anyone else who was curious :]
Ryus 03.16.22	gonna name my band UNION UPDATE DELETE SELECT to fuck with the database
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	I appear as a contributor for Acoustic Ladyland - and apparently added 'Camouflage' according to my profile, artwork seems fine there. YAYA KIM appears in my edits (again, artwork fine) yet there is no contributor listed on the artist page.
Trifolium 03.16.22	Oh wow the other user who made a test album for Tejada also added Hi Sowing to the tracklist hahaha!
Sowing 03.16.22	OK, thanks for proving me right with those test albums. I'll delete them now. This still helps us because it proves that the issue is not with the uploader itself, but rather with users' abilities to edit existing albums.
parksungjoon 03.16.22	that was me :x heh ryus knows
Trifolium 03.16.22	Aahhahaha true park! And we meant at the bottom of the artist page Demon, there's a list of contributors there, but it only includes your name if you adapt the bio, not if you add an album.
Trifolium 03.16.22	Yeah it seems to only be an issue with restoring existing artwork (and adapting release dates or album types (from LP to EP) by the way! Same issue!).
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	hang on Trif, so if you literally create the artist page yourself that doesn't make you a 'contributor'? haha, what a curious system that is! I know what it is, like I said my username is displayed under the Acoustic Ladyland one.
parksungjoon 03.16.22	>so if you literally create the artist page yourself that doesn't make you a 'contributor'? haha, what a curious system that is! thats correct
Trifolium 03.16.22	Yup. A very silly situation!
SandwichBubble 03.16.22	All you have to do is add some similar bands, band description, or edit an existing album and you're a contributor. Hell, you don't even have to do that. Just click edit band information and hit submit.
Demon of the Fall 03.16.22	oh cool, yeah that works! (I did actually add a couple of similar artists by the way, I'm not that cheap)
SandwichBubble 03.16.22	Appreciate that. I try to always write a short band description and some similar bands when adding new artists. Just looks more professional. And just so it's clear, I do have to wait for mod approval for band descriptions to show up just like everyone else.
fogza 03.16.22	"And just so it's clear, I do have to wait for mod approval for band descriptions to show up just like everyone else." so fancy!
parksungjoon 03.16.22	Sowing can you clear something up for me about band descriptions? What happens when there are multiple edits pending approval? Do you see them all in the queue or only the most recent one? Asking only because I got mixed info on this before.
Sowing 03.16.22	Honestly I don't know. If you and someone else want to coordinate this I'll tell you what I see. Not sure why it matters but I'm happy to play along.
Trifolium 03.16.22	I have added "This is a test" at the end of John Tejada's band description. Edit away park! The poor guy. On the other hand, his page has seen an explosive increase in traffic recently!
ItsTheSquirrel 03.16.22	I've tried a couple times to add artwork to some Leevi and the Leavings albums but it hasn't gone through so I'm assuming they were also broken (I first tried several days ago)? My account was created between 2017 and 2019 so it would also support 2017 being the cut off point
Sowing 03.16.22	@Trifolium: I missed the window with that, as another moderator swept through and dismissed the band edit. However, I was able to use two of my own alts to submit identical edits to the John Tejada page, and they did both appear. So hopefully that answers @parksungjoon's inquiry.
Sowing 03.16.22	@ItsTheSquirrel - Although it's possible, I no longer think that the join date has anything to do with it. I was trying from a 2011 user-level alt of my own, and could not even get 50x50, 1kb JPG's to show up. Something else is wrong. I'm eventually going to tack this on to mx's list -- although I'll probably wait until he shows up here to work the genre tags because I don't want to overwhelm him with what is already a daunting series of requests.
parksungjoon 03.16.22	cheers!
gschwen 03.16.22	Is there any particular reason why only albums from 2012 or 2013 show their specific release date on the artist main page? (The band Altars is a good example of this)
arf 03.16.22	Oh yeah I was also going to ask that. I'm assuming it was so that old albums where release date isn't input / isn't known don't just all show up as 01/01, but it wasn't implemented correctly & doesn't work post-2013 (works only for specific years instead of everything since a specific year)
Sowing 05.04.22	I've run this up the chain. No promises on anything other than that mx will definitely look at it, likely around the same time as the implementation of the new genre tags.
dedex 05.04.22	hurray! thanks Sow
bgillesp 05.04.22	Wondrous news
GhandhiLion 05.04.22	nice one
arf 05.05.22	neato
SteakByrnes 05.05.22	righteous
tectactoe 07.27.22	So, what is the latest status on this, anyone know? Just tried to add an album art for an existing album and it didn't go through. Would be nice to have that power granted, but I'm obviously not holding my breath lol.
SandwichBubble 07.27.22	It's coming soon™ So probably never.
tectactoe 07.28.22	It is mildly excruciating because the combination of my pedantry with my anal-retentiveness makes me cry every time I see an album with an incorrect title or super-pixelated or missing artwork and there's nothing I can do to immediately fix it. Especially considering I would be more than happy to immediately fix it.
Divaman 07.29.22	Are you sure it didn't go through, tectactoe? Don't forget that if you replace album art, you have to clear your cache or you won't see the new one?