widowslaugh123
06.27.19 | Who has the best chance to beat trump? |
TheSpirit
06.27.19 | the democrats lost |
Papa Universe
06.27.19 | I thought this year's WWE rumble would be more exciting. |
Trebor.
06.27.19 | beta o'rourke is a robot |
artiswar
06.27.19 | it's already proving a better farce than GoT |
Trebor.
06.27.19 | You have to go into them knowing that they aren't real debates and are just a way to whittle down the candidates. This whole farce wouldn't be necessary if the 10+ candidates with no chance had just fucked off already
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RolyPoly
06.27.19 | Lol @ beto speaking spanish |
Papa Universe
06.27.19 | "This whole farce wouldn't be necessary if the 10+ candidates with no chance had just fucked off already"
that's the whole Wednesday debate tho |
Trebor.
06.27.19 | Other than Warren yeah |
Papa Universe
06.27.19 | it really is like WWE, where they do the Battle Royale with everyone getting into the ring, but you know there's only like one or two superstars just waiting for the nonames to tap each other out. |
Papa Universe
06.27.19 | it's like a $0.50 fruit salad from a rural airport cafeteria, where you get local dried up produce, but among that mushy mess is a sweet sweet watermelon. |
Papa Universe
06.27.19 | it's like Sharknado debating the rest of Asylum films. |
Typhoon24
06.27.19 | Yeah the dems need to quit the circle jerk and have 75% of em drop so we don’t get another 4 years of this orange mf |
RolyPoly
06.27.19 | Tulsi suplexed tim ryan
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outliers
06.27.19 | que? |
Friday13th
06.27.19 | The highlight was Castro saying a "trans female" has the right to abortion. Uteruses be damned! LOL |
Invaderbryan
06.27.19 | If any of these clowns get the nomination, trump is going to win. |
widowslaugh123
06.27.19 | Beto is the Rubio of 2020 so far. Trump might win again but it’s too early to tell. |
RolyPoly
06.27.19 | Sputnik is full of defeatists |
artiswar
06.27.19 | *1 hour of Warren and Booker yelling later, after skipping over Tulsi entirely on the gun control issue*
"HEY TULSI. 'MEMBER WHEN HATED DA GAYZ?? WHEN YOU WERE 20?? AND OBAMA AND CLINTON DID AT THE TIME TOOOO? ALO MY WAGE GAP??" |
Arditi
06.28.19 | everyone who watched the debates lost by believing in a two-party system. |
Typhoon24
06.28.19 | i dont like a two party system but if we dont pick someone that can beat trump we're gonna stay in the 1950s. this motherfucker set us back 50 years with those tax cuts, environmental and foreign policy and absolute disregard for civil rights matters. if we elect a leftist then maybe the right will make a more reasonable conservative party, like one that doesn't exploit religious people to give tax cuts to rich people. we might in 2040 have a viable green party, a democratic socialist party, a center of left party, a moderate party, a libertarian party and a super conservative party. change takes time and is incremental.....so uhhh not voting is dumber than voting for the lesser evil (no matter how fucked up that sounds)
if the electoral college is still there, that should be enough proof that shit takes time and people screaming that the old way of doing things has got to go |
RolyPoly
06.28.19 | Agreed, being that jaded isnt going to get us anywhere. |
RolyPoly
06.28.19 | On another note Kamala crushed bidens soul, hopefully that will drop his poll numbers |
Kompys2000
06.28.19 | I really fucking hope Biden doesn't win the nomination but if he does I'll still vote for him over Donny |
RolyPoly
06.28.19 | Donny for prison 2020 |
TheSupernatural
06.28.19 | Top 5 going into the primary elections in February will be Biden, Bernie, Warren, Kamala, Mayor Pete. These 5 are the only real ones worth discussing. Mayor Pete's a dark horse, but I think he's got much better odds than Beto or Booker.
Biden and Bernie both choked in the debates, but I'm not sure Bernie will lose much ground. He's still the only candidate offering legitimate systemic change and he'll sweep up anyone left of Warren. Biden's always been a shitty debater and last night was no different.
Warren's got the progressive vote on lock and if it weren't for her parroting the same anti-Iran garbage as the neocons, she'd look almost as good as Bernie. I think she'll gain some more moderate voters as well, simply by being more articulate about her vision for the country.
Kamala's the biggest winner by a decent margin. The moderators helped her a bit, but she seized every chance she got and eviscerated Biden on stage for his history of supporting segregationists. Her biggest opponent for winning Democratic votes is her history as California's AG and a prosecutor before that. She's pro-prison labor and previously said it's a great thing to have a free labor source. Oof.
Mayor Pete's got something that no one else on the stage either night appeared to have (besides Kamala): he spoke and acted like an actual human being. That's never a surefire guarantee on its own but it makes you stand out a lot in a crowd of 20 people. Also similar to Kamala, he's got a not-so-pretty track record with racism in his city, but he'll probably absorb a chunk of the people jumping off Biden's ship that don't care about racism. Also, he's going to get the "we need a white male to beat Trump" vote... that shouldn't be a thing but I've heard it from too many people now to think it's not.
Overall highlight of the whole debate was Marianne Williamson bringing up reparations and US actions in Latin America contributing to the migrant crisis. For how much Republican bitch about Democrats "apologizing for America," only one candidate actually suggested that we actually do. Sadly, no one on this debate stage is as good as Gravel or Kucinich were in 2008. |
Sharkattack
06.28.19 | Second one was better |
OldCrime
06.28.19 | Thanks for that summary TheSupernatural. |
Invaderbryan
07.01.19 | All these candidates are clowns |
Viriathus
07.01.19 | Bernie, Tulsi, and Yang are the only people who I give a fuck about. |
whalebone
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TheSupernatural
07.01.19 | ^ aka every American would prefer to watch migrants die in our country than contribute to their health
Fuck anyone who thinks that way tbh |
TheSupernatural
07.01.19 | These candidates are mostly extremely clownish; a few are just human enough to not make it obvious how shitty they've been in the past (Pete, Kamala), and the only ones who are actually pushing a remotely progressive platform (Bernie, Warren) are frankly toothless in their bite. The country needs a Che, not another FDR. |
Invaderbryan
07.01.19 | Why should the US be the caretakers of the world. Why can’t other countries do shit for their people?
Instead we have people coming over here voting the same shitty way, making it the same country as where they’re escaping from. |
Invaderbryan
07.01.19 | We don’t need a racist ass Che as our leader |
DamnVanne
07.01.19 | Maybe the only way we can change America is to put LSD in Oklahoma’s water supply |
GhostB1rd
07.01.19 | "The negro is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."
Che, whatta guy. |
Kompys2000
07.01.19 | Thank you mister Guevara, VERY cool! |
TheSupernatural
07.01.19 | What are you talking about? The people migrating here are escaping from a region tainted by a century of American imperialism. They're escaping violence, not vague "socialism."
Other first world countries can and already do shit for their own people way better than America does. The rest of the world operates as producers that feed the first world countries. They don't have the luxury of generational wealth to modernize like first world countries. What do you want them to do, just magically be rich like you? |
DamnVanne
07.01.19 | I’m with Putin |
GhostB1rd
07.01.19 | "Other first world countries can and already do shit for their own people way better than America does"
Name one with 330 million people and our diversity PLEASE. |
TheSupernatural
07.01.19 | So our diversity and population count suddenly makes our country incompetent? You're fucking galaxy brain over here |
GUNGFUHAMMERFIST
07.01.19 | pete 2020 |
GhostB1rd
07.01.19 | Oh, so you can't name a county like that? How about one with half our diversity and half our population.
Still too high a challenge for you?
Wanna try a quarter? |
TheSupernatural
07.01.19 | Is this really your entire counterargument? This reads like a bad Ben Shapiro bit |
botb
07.01.19 | I only watched the second night so here goes:
Biden looked REALLY like shit
Bern looked like old man shouting at kids on his lawn but what he says he’ll do stands to benefit me greatly so I don’t care too much.
Every time Gillibrand opened her mouth I wanted to die which is a shame because she has decent policies.
Yang’s stuff went over everyone’s head and his mic was off half the time anyway so rip UBI
Williamson appeared to be tripping fucking nuts and had me dying laughing
Swalwell was trying desperately to make “pass the torch” a thing without actually talking about anything at all
Bennet’s face kept making me laugh but he didn’t really say anything of value
Buttigieg looked super prepared and sounded great but I don’t LOVE his policies and history of backing cops over common people
Harris also looked super prepared but I don’t trust her corrupt ass at all so I kept seeing her attempt to appeal to emotion rather than talk about real policy (of course everyone is going to applaud if you talk about how heartbreaking children in cages are etc)
Was hickenlooper even there
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TheSupernatural
07.01.19 | If the height of what your hopes for humanity reaches is what's already been done in other countries also named America or half-America, you're probably best just shutting the fuck up about politics and calling it a day. |
Trophycase
07.01.19 | "So our diversity and population count suddenly makes our country incompetent? You're fucking galaxy brain over here"
Cultural homogeneity is better for getting things done, yeah. |
Trophycase
07.01.19 | Also haven't watched it yet, but I doubt I'd prefer anyone else besides Warren at this point. |
oltnabrick
07.02.19 | trump 2020 fuck da opps |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | You really think the whiter America is, the better? Masks off 2019 just won't let up |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | What would Supernatural's hero, a racist dickhead who murdered women and children and put gays in forced labor camps, think of his inability to argue a point? |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | I've been here for the better part of a decade, has this site always been so racist or is this a recent development? |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "You really think the whiter America is, the better? Masks off 2019 just won't let up"
Shut the fuck up dude. I saying that cultural homogeneity and getting social programs passed are correlated. Nothing else. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "I've been here for the better part of a decade, has this site always been so racist or is this a recent development?"
You're just a fucking moron and like putting words into people's mouths I guess. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | And maybe if delusional leftists recognized basic human psychological realities we wouldn't have a fucking moron like Trump as president, since he's basically a reaction to hyper PC idiots like you |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | He still didn't answer the question. |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | How about an eighth?
Should we try an eighth? |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | "Shut the fuck up dude. I saying that cultural homogeneity and getting social programs passed are correlated. Nothing else."
In other words you were making random shit up? Say what you actually mean, don't hide behind some vague platitude like "homogeneity = good for legislatures" |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Perhaps a tenth would be something you could muster? |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | Ghost, no one gives a fuck. You still haven't said anything in the entire discussion, just repeated random fucking questions like you're some Youtube driveler constantly begging people to "debate" them. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "In other words you were making random shit up? Say what you actually mean, don't hide behind some vague platitude like "homogeneity = good for legislatures"
With the exception of like China and Russia and some Middle Eastern countries, cultural diversity and QoL are basically inversely correlated. See this map here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/?utm_term=.fc349342c10d and feel free to cross reference with standard measurements of quality of life. |
Invaderbryan
07.02.19 | So yea trump is going to win again |
SoulFunction
07.02.19 | Kamala is the devil, no different than Hillary. Fucking save us Pete! I beg of you! |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | The Supernatural's ideal country is a tiny nation with 7 million people who are all white. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Granted, these are self identified ethnic groups so it is also highly correlated to ethnic and religious conflicts. |
DamnVanne
07.02.19 | So our diversity and population count suddenly makes our country incompetent? You're fucking galaxy brain over here
Absofuckinlutely |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "The Supernatural's ideal country is a tiny nation with 7 million people who are all white."
"So yea trump is going to win again"
As long as the left has people like this pushing everyone right, then yeah |
altnabrick
07.02.19 | copmala 2020 |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | Trophy, that's rich, blaming Trump on the people who most directly oppose him and not the liberals who want to appease him. I'm perfectly content not winning the racist vote, the people who cry "PC idiots" any time anyone makes a valid social commentary about system racism, but believes in the sanctity of their flag so much that they demand a black man be fired for protesting in the most benign way possible.
FWIW, Trump hasn't been as bad of a president as GWB and watching the liberals clamoring to have him back speaks volumes about how much the centrists and liberals are the ones defending PC-culture with their civility fetishism. Leftists (at least current American groups like the DSA) seek to be inclusive, not politically correct. You can't simultaneously be threatening the current political mechanisms while also demanding their collective reverence. It's an impressive act of doublethink that conservatives manage to spin it that way. |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | Sputnik is racist
This site is filled with cis white dudes circle jerking each other |
Sinternet
07.02.19 | bernie or just don't vote. warren at a push maybe. everyone else is a corporate hack or just a shitty person altogether |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | The important thing to remember about socialists is that, outside of Venezuela, they have no authority anywhere in the world, and they never will again. |
SoulFunction
07.02.19 | There's a young intelligent stud such as Pete and u still reppin Bernie smh |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Supernatural are you going to argue strawmen all day or actually interact with people in the thread |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | "With the exception of like China and Russia and some Middle Eastern countries, cultural diversity and QoL are basically inversely correlated. See this map here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/?utm_term=.fc349342c10d and feel free to cross reference with standard measurements of quality of life."
You'll have to spell out what the causal link is here. Again, with the exception of China, Russia, and a few Middle Eastern countries, the highest QoL life countries all benefited greatly during the centuries with colonialism and slave trades, while the lands and peoples who suffered and were exploited did not. Which one seems more likely, that people of different cultures can't get along, or that reaping the benefits of free slave labor and colonies provided a substantial economic gap that still exists today? |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Feminists are like the Christians of the left. Politicians need to pander to them to get votes and so they don't freak out |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | Pete wants mandatory military service to fix political partisanship lol
Nty
The real solution is shipping trump supporters in cages to Alabama and then kicking the state out of the union |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | Trophy, everything was directed towards the straw men you set up. If you want a conversation, drop the pretension |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Have fun with Trump as POTUS until 2024 you idiots. |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Have fun with a 7-2 SCOTUS. Reap what you fucking sow. |
Invaderbryan
07.02.19 | Nothing wrong with that |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | If you think bernie is an actual socialist you shouldnt vote in 2020 |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | RolyPoly gets it at least |
oltnabrick
07.02.19 | @altnabrick get out of my head |
ramon.
07.02.19 | rip yang |
TheSupernatural
07.02.19 | I'm fairly confident the mods will nuke this list before long but I gotta say before I part that it's always amusing to watch anti-Trump centrists go through every vapid talking point that conservative commentators feed them about "the leftists."
Even more amusing watching Ghost pretend he doesn't actually like Trump |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "Which one seems more likely, that people of different cultures can't get along, or that reaping the benefits of free slave labor and colonies provided a substantial economic gap that still exists today?"
The former. Put a devout Muslim together with some random white woman and see if they can reach an agreement on abortion. Spoiler alert: they won't. So instead we'll elect someone who legalizes it then we'll get it rolled back 10 years later when one party disappears too far up their own ass that nobody can vote for them.
"Trophy, that's rich, blaming Trump on the people who most directly oppose him and not the liberals who want to appease him."
I get that you don't understand, but if you spend any time around alt-right circles (or even Fox News for that matter), you'd understand a very large portion of the white male vote is directly due to reactionary tendencies to third wave feminist policies.
"I'm perfectly content not winning the racist vote, the people who cry "PC idiots" any time anyone makes a valid social commentary about system racism, but believes in the sanctity of their flag so much that they demand a black man be fired for protesting in the most benign way possible."
PC idiots referred more to someone who can't have an actual conversation about diversity without immediately assuming they want to live in an all white country if they question if diversity is unquestionably a good thing.
"how much the centrists and liberals are the ones defending PC-culture with their civility fetishism"
absolutely right about this.
"If you think bernie is an actual socialist you shouldnt vote in 2020"
As far as I'm concerned Bernie revealed his true colors backing hillary after he lost the primary. Though I don't blame him since he'd probably be blackballed by the Dems if he didn't |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.02.19 | “This reads like a bad Ben Shapiro bit”
implying there are any good Shapiro bits |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | Imagine thinking feminism isnt a component of the left |
Invaderbryan
07.02.19 | “implying there are any good Shapiro bits“
You don’t have to insult his viewpoints just cause he’s Jewish |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | It is, but idk why they act like anyone who isn't a feminist isn't a leftist. If you're not a feminist you're either a centrist or reactionary |
SoulFunction
07.02.19 | Don't worry roly ur skinny ass wouldn't qualified anyway |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | "wouldn't qualified anyway"
Someone needs english lessons |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | Dont speak to me nerd, jump off a bridge |
PunchforPunch
07.02.19 | damn got some hot thing |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | "Someone needs english lessons"
has it occured to u that maybe they're not a native speaker? |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "has it occured to u that maybe they're not a native speaker?"
It's ok, we're inclusive here. |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | "The former. Put a devout Muslim together with some random white woman and see if they can reach an agreement on abortion."
who says the random white woman won't be against abortion? the most hardline Muslim position on abortion is that it's forbidden after 120 days/16 weeks. tfw saudi arabia is more progressive than some american states |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | Yes
Did it occur to you that there's implications in soulfunctions comment much deeper than what's on the surface? |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | I actually thought u were roasting Punchy, nvm carry on |
Greyvy
07.02.19 | ah yes watch the pointless debates, it's nothing but political theatre to keep the retards occupied. watching anything politics related for more than a laugh is cringe |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "who says the random white woman won't be against abortion? the most hardline Muslim position on abortion is that it's forbidden after 120 days/16 weeks. tfw saudi arabia is more progressive than some american states"
fair but it was just an example. People who are different are more likely to differ. |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | yea I gotcha, abortion was just a bad example lol. y'all are worse than some theocracies with that shit, it's wild |
Winesburgohio
07.02.19 | the real winner on the day was democracy
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Wildcardbitchesss
07.02.19 | I want to abort every baby, but only make it legal after the third trimester has begun |
oltnabrick
07.02.19 | haha that is truly epic bro
you have won the internet! |
sixdegrees
07.02.19 | respect |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | The U.S. collectively has the most liberal abortion laws this side of Canada. |
oltnabrick
07.02.19 | its time to ban women |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Name for me the European nations with abortion laws as liberal as Oregon. |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Key, a cursory search looks like Saudi women have to have a male guardian sign off on the abortion. |
butt.
07.02.19 | I don't know how we always manage to do it, but there are better political debates in Youtube comments than on Sputnik 10000% of the time |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | lol ghost ur such a homer, that was hyperbole. but it's still more progressive than alabama or georgia where women are getting charged with manslaughter for getting shot while pregnant, jheeze |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | That happened? And held up in court?
But yeah, I am a homer. America is far and away the greatest nation that has ever existed and it's not a competition. Second place is so far behind we're talking about entirely different leagues.
As for Alabama or Georgia's new laws, I suspect they will not hold up. Even if they did, it's just one round trip flight to a pro-abortion state away. It's a big country and people can take advantage of laws in one state over another if desired. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Getting your period is manslaughter |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Fwiw I personally think those potential bans are far too restrictive. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "But yeah, I am a homer. America is far and away the greatest nation that has ever existed and it's not a competition. Second place is so far behind we're talking about entirely different leagues."
Oh boy |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Name a nation of our size with similar GDP per capita. I'll wait. |
RogueNine
07.02.19 | They're all hacks, but that much is obvious, at least to most. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | I mean that's moving the goalposts, but Germany? Idk what your size criteria is |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | yea dude she was indicted by grand jury
tickets ain't cheap man, only well off ppl can take advantage of out of state laws for something that should be as trivial as an abortion |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Germany has only 25% of our population and our GDP per capita is 30% higher.
Point taken? |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Indicted does not mean convicted. |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Also I take serious issue with saying abortion is "trivial" but that's another conversation. |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | relatively speaking of course. u shouldn't have to be travelling out of state and out of pocket for one that's for sure |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | "Indicted does not mean convicted"
well no but it means that the charge was held up by court and is to be tried. it's not something the cops put on her erroneously and was thrown out |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Dude abortions are like $500. That should totally be out of pocket. |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | shit is free up here :D |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-woman-indicted-after-someone-else-shot-her-fetus-demands-n1025396 |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | Yeah that's not gonna go to trial. |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | In legalese that's called indicting a ham sandwich. |
unclereich
07.02.19 | Trump will win handily, hard to imagine producing a worse candidate than clinton but the dnc is trying hard. Biden is the only candidate that has a chance against trump. |
DamnVanne
07.02.19 | I read between the lines a bit I’m that story and it seems that pregnant woman provoked her mans side bitch into using a gun on her. It’s a real ratchet situation that I hi k the media is using as a headline to push an agenda, but she is factually at a fault. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | "hard to imagine producing a worse candidate than clinton but the dnc is trying hard. Biden is the only candidate that has a chance against trump."
serious? |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.02.19 | lol then
Fuck it, fuck America. We’re taking anti abortion laws to a new extreme in some states. Our gun violence rivals that of a small nation at civil war, we don’t have free healthcare. We’re barely a first world country at all. Our appointed leader sympathizes with dictators and murderers
Vote blue 2020 |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | A woman getting indicted for getting shot is about as bad of an edge case as someone going to jail for posting something on twitter. Can we just keep shit to real life please. This stuff doesn't happen in 99.99% of real life cases so let's not act like they are core positions of a side or lived realities for most anyone. |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | "I read between the lines a bit I’m that story and it seems that pregnant woman provoked her mans side bitch into using a gun on her. It’s a real ratchet situation that I hi k the media is using as a headline to push an agenda, but she is factually at a fault."
Idiotic take |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.02.19 | Land of the free my ass |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Also who gives a fuck about abortion. No offense but it is an extremely minor issue. |
Kompys2000
07.02.19 | I mean that's just objectively false, many many people care quite a lot about abortion |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | What with people going bankrupt for someone calling an ambulance for them, or mass surveillance growing by the day, or the climate about to be changed irreversibly, or people being held in camps at the border. |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.02.19 | “Also who gives a fuck about abortion.”
The majority of women, and some men, such as myself |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Yeah and it's a stupid wedge issue that probably loses a whole percentage point in christians alone. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Doesn't change the fact that it is a minor issue compared to lots of other stuff. I care about marijuana legalization but it's not a hill I'm about to die on, and it probably affects more people negatively than abortion bans in alabama |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Or do we like 4 more years of a barely literate, justice obstructing, reality show star president? |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | not being free to do what u want with ur own body is a pretty big deal tbh. abortion shouldn't be a big issue but unfortunately it is. I don't understand it but that's the situation
as is the illegality of marijuana I should add which has institutionalized countless ppl for mere possession |
RolyPoly
07.02.19 | So we shouldnt care about abortions because stupid Christians dont know what separation of church and state means and want to codify their shitty religion into policy?
Ya no |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | If you want abortions so badly that you'll take another 4 years of EPA getting gutted and Ajit Pai and coal subsidies then whatever dude. This is politics. |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Supreme court is already conservative so it's not like an adamantly pro choice president will change anything |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | ppl care more about what affects them directly I guess. climate change sounds nebulous and distant. also a lot of ppl don't believe it's even real so there's also that |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | True. But first of all this is a representative democracy and opinion is pretty split down the middle on abortion, even amongst women. But there are plenty of policies with much more support we can get passed if we can get the corrupt fucking Republicans out of office. Universal Healthcare even has more support than abortion so far as I can tell and you could even roll pro choice shit into that. |
unclereich
07.02.19 | Corrupt republicans hahahahaha |
Trophycase
07.02.19 | Fuck off dude |
unclereich
07.02.19 | Alrighty david hogg |
InFlamesWeThrash666
07.02.19 | "Name a nation of our size with similar GDP per capita. I'll wait"
Name a nation that has bombed more countries and backed more coups than the US i'll wait |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | "Corrupt republicans hahahahaha"
...
bruh |
unclereich
07.02.19 | Yes key how can i help you |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | I know ur team GOP bro but call a spade a spade jeez |
Greyvy
07.02.19 | Trump will win handily in 2020 due to the fact that he is a Zionist, he won't build the wall either. |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | nearly everyone running in 2020 is a zionist, what a weird thing to say
Reich is right about why trump will win again, except for the part about Biden who will also get demolished if he's the nominee. regardless of what u might think of Bernie, his populism is the only thing that stands a chance against Trump's rn |
Sharkattack
07.02.19 | Biden won’t make to fall he is toast |
Keyblade
07.02.19 | even his base of liberal winemoms is prolly not fucking with him anymore after that debate
he just comes across as a senile old man...still arguing about segregation and shit. and he doesn't have even half the charisma that trump does to make ppl overlook that |
Rowhaus
07.02.19 | I've seen a lot of debates, but this one was by far the most disturbing. It's as if the candidates were competing to see who could be the most unconstitutional. |
Invaderbryan
07.02.19 | Yeah it’s the stupid olympics |
JoeTex
07.02.19 | biden did well. was attacked from every angle. |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | "Name a nation that has bombed more countries and backed more coups than the US i'll wait"
Yeah and saved the world from not one, but two world wars. Not to mention you act as if the coups were against upstanding government officials and not other fucking crazy people. |
GhostB1rd
07.02.19 | "not being free to do what u want with ur own body is a pretty big deal tbh."
This is a subjective question only in cases of abortion. Drugs are just your body, abortion is literally the only issue you could pick in which your statement has an obvious limitation.
Everyone draws lines. Are you meaning to tell me that a woman who is eight months pregnant and has a baby that can live outside the womb without a single issue should have the right to have it killed rather than simply removed to live? |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.02.19 | “I've seen a lot of debates, but this one was by far the most disturbing. It's as if the candidates were competing to see who could be the most unconstitutional.”
Sounds like a trump rally to me |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.02.19 | Oh and the words “corrupt” and “republicans” practically go hand in hand |
GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | The words corrupt and politician go hand in hand... who are you trying to fool? Yourself? |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | @ghost, i draw the same exact distinction with drugs fwiw. abortion is just particularly fucked up because it intersects with reproductive health
also at 8 months, that's a live human so that's murder imo |
Deathconscious
07.03.19 | Abortion is 100% ok and pretty awesome and useful tbh. |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | "The words corrupt and politician go hand in hand... who are you trying to fool? Yourself?"
yea exactly. only difference is that there's no movement within the gop that rejects money in politics so it's especially laughable when u laugh off calling republicans corrupt |
Deathconscious
07.03.19 | "biden did well."
What? He got wrecked, probably did the worst out of everyone. |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | got absolutely bodied |
GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | "also at 8 months, that's a live human so that's murder imo"
See, here you are separating it from the drug comparison. You are acknowledging that, at some point (viability for most people), another body is formed inside the body of the mother, which has its own distinct rights. |
GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | The vast majority of people share that opinion, and even those who consider themselves pro-choice in polls respond "Lmao yeah no I'm not a fucking psychopath" when asked about third trimester abortions. |
GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | "there's no movement within the gop that rejects money in politics"
Said it before and I'll keep saying it till I'm blue in the face, this cannot be done. Whether above board or below it, where politics is in money, money will be in politics. Remove the incentive to bribe (subsidies, special tax breaks, etc.) and money will remove itself from politics cause it'd be a waste to get nothing in return. |
Trebor.
07.03.19 | Why do I read this crap |
GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | trebor can read? |
DamnVanne
07.03.19 | Surreal entertainment |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | @ghost well yeah, the comparison I was making was before viability, where the 2 are comparable. after viability it becomes a separate issue for me as it does for almost everyone I'd imagine |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | "Surreal entertainment"
like when u said that woman was at fault for getting shot and being charged with manslaughter and that the headline was a media conspiracy to make the Alabama laws look bad instead of just accurately reporting what happened agreed |
GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | Viability itself is still a judgment call to an extent, with their being a certain percentage chance at earlier stages. Many would also consider that to be an equation that involves more than one life. Also keep in mind that with medical advancements the line for viability keeps inching closer towards conception. |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | whatever that line is man, I'm not gonna argue I'm not a doctor b |
GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | Point is it's not black and white and there's a lot of moral ambiguity involved in abortion because of it. |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | I know, I was just disputing trophy's notion that it's not an important issue is all |
budgie
07.03.19 | why do you even talk t this guy key |
Gameofmetal
07.03.19 | the real debate is me deciding whether the hilarity of you fools talking politics is greater or less than the cringe I also get from reading your takes. |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | that's my guy man. we couldn't be further apart ideologically but we can chop it up and find common ground which is more than I can say for most of the dudes on here |
budgie
07.03.19 | huhhhhh......alright |
DamnVanne
07.03.19 | The law is a bad law, but the police report from the incident charge that woman with recklessly endangering herself, and thereby her parasite/fetus, by attacking an armed woman who reportedly defended herself. If she was robbed and assaulted, or hit by a drunk driver or some shit, the assailant would be charged with the death of the fetus almost anywhere in the country and it would be just. So I think this is a poor example of why this law is shitty because the media has to obscure by omission the details. Don’t paint however you please and don’t excuse shitty reporting because its goals aligns with your beliefs |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.03.19 | Yeah this thread is officially fucked
My final thoughts: you support 45? Go fuck yourself
Youre fine with the abhorrent mistreatment of migrants at the southern border? Go fuck yourself.
You’re against abortion? Go fuck yourself.
You still vote red after the last 2 1/2 years of this shitshow of an administration? Go fuck yourself.
#Bernie2020 |
budgie
07.03.19 | i feel ya wildcard i feel ya
idk between warren or bernie, but i'd be thrilled with either holding the office though |
sixdegrees
07.03.19 | you fools |
oltnabrick
07.03.19 | its trump 2020 |
oltnabrick
07.03.19 | trump will play this at his next inauguration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVO5WhIm4uI |
sixdegrees
07.03.19 | ignoramus |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | you imbeciles |
oltnabrick
07.03.19 | nincompoop |
Deathconscious
07.03.19 | Warren is weak shit. |
whalebone
07.03.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
Meridiu5
07.03.19 | = = T R U M P / / = =
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GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | Honestly if you don't have friends that hold different views than you do politically it only speaks to your shit personality. |
oltnabrick
07.03.19 | selena gomez is an illuminati alien |
sixdegrees
07.03.19 | I dont agree with your opinion, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it |
oltnabrick
07.03.19 | Yea, my final legacy to this piece-of-shit site. This was one of my favourite sites of all time. I had a lot of different friends that shared the same music as I liked, but more and more assholes joined the site and my friends got banned or the simply quit visiting the site Feel free to create multiple user-accounts to flame me and this review. I don't fucking care anymore. I'm done with this site. God-like thanks to South_Of-Heaven_11, Shadows, Cravinov_13, Silent_Echo, BallsToTheWalls, Rattlehead and a few others. I hope that you will have a good life ahead of you, but this is my final farewell... Thank you Sputnik music for giving me the opportunity to discover new music and friends... metal will always stand tall m/ m/ |
whalebone
07.03.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
oltnabrick
07.03.19 | 1. Kiss on the hand = I adore you
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3. Kiss on the neck = I want you
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6. Kiss anywhere else = lets not get carried away
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8. Playing with ! your hair = I can't live without you
9. Hand on your waist = I love you to much to let you go
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2. Guys: If any girl slaps you, her intentions are still good.
3. Guys & Girls: Close your eyes when kissing, it is rude to stare. |
sixdegrees
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PunchforPunch
07.03.19 | I like to stare at my potential mate while we're kissing |
GhostB1rd
07.03.19 | Speaking for people in the U.S. where it's roughly a 50/50 split between parties, saying you're walled off to 165 million people is batshit. You could be 98% similar to somebody else and share many of the same principles and values and they could be a D when you are an R, or vice versa. |
oltnabrick
07.03.19 | I genuinely miss talking to you. I said I was sorry for that uneccessary outburst but if you want to hold a grudge I definitely understand. You were my favorite user to talk to and we had some fun together over the last few years and I cherish those memories. I still feel horrible about all of this, it was 100% my fault and wish I could go back in time. Not trying to make an excuse for my actions by any means but alcohol and I do not mix. Even though you hate me, I still got your back no matter what, you're a good user and have great taste. |
whalebone
07.03.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
budgie
07.03.19 | "selena gomez is an illuminati alien"
THANK YOU finally speaks the fucking truth. wake up sheep!!!! |
whalebone
07.03.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
Deathconscious
07.03.19 | More like whaleboner |
unclereich
07.03.19 | nearly everyone running in 2020 is a zionist, what a weird thing to say
Hahahahahaahhaaha |
Keyblade
07.03.19 | ... |
whalebone
07.03.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
JoeTex
07.03.19 | Biden / Bernie 2020 |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.04.19 | Fuck Biden, give me the dream team
Bernie / Warren 2020 |
budgie
07.04.19 | if bernie wins i want warren to remain in senate |
Invaderbryan
07.04.19 | Bernie’s too old and warrens too racist |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.04.19 | Bernie is only four years older than trump and seven years older than Warren |
Invaderbryan
07.04.19 | Bernies senile |
Keyblade
07.04.19 | who would u pick |
PunchforPunch
07.04.19 | Sharpton for president y'all. I'm outie. |
GhostB1rd
07.04.19 | McAfee is the blackest person running fwiw. |
Keyblade
07.04.19 | is he actually running? seems like he'd be too busy on a beach having teenage girls shit in his mouth |
budgie
07.04.19 | ooh that sounds nice |
Invaderbryan
07.04.19 | Is he still being sought after for ordering a hit on some guy? |
GhostB1rd
07.04.19 | Honestly I have no clue how many warrants he has out on him. |
TheSupernatural
07.05.19 | "But yeah, I am a homer. America is far and away the greatest nation that has ever existed and it's not a competition. Second place is so far behind we're talking about entirely different leagues."
Remember that monologue that Sorkin wrote at the start of The Newsroom where some ditzy college girl asks why America is the greatest nation on Earth and Jeff Daniels' character spends 5+ minutes tearing the notion of American exceptionalism to shreds without a single mention of the actual injustices and violence that it's brought upon the world? Sorkin loves to write against strawmen but when you literally say dumb shit like that, it's a fitting response. |
GUNGFUHAMMERFIST
07.05.19 | godbless the airports of the revolutionary war |
budgie
07.05.19 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c
here's the link supernatural is referencing
i've never seen this show befo |
RolyPoly
07.05.19 | Its a bit difficult to be friends with a political party that dehumanizes you and dont want you to exist in public spaces / have rights
Right wingers can kick rocks |
budgie
07.05.19 | "minutes tearing the notion of American exceptionalism to shreds without a single mention of"
so dude if you actually watch the clip (i did earlier) i don't think it denounces american exceptionalism at all. in fact, conversely, the rhetoric behind the monologue if you want to call it that is pretty heavily pro-american and it follows maybe pretty congruent with what you or i would call american exceptionalism. as in, there are some statistics thrown out there about america being not the best in these categories, but the subtext or driving notion through the scene is more or less saying america has a purpose to be the best. and then the music comes on and the character is talking about how america used to be super awesome bla bla.
honestly i think it's a pretty lousy scene lol. |
Deathconscious
07.05.19 | Yeah its pretty cringey. |
Invaderbryan
07.05.19 | Roly or you can grow up and realize that people can hold different opinions |
budgie
07.05.19 | "Roly or you can grow up and realize that people can hold different opinions"
opinions are one thing and you can maybe make the argument they intrinsically aren't necessarily dangerous. votes however have real world consequences & i wouldn't for example blame someone from bangladesh for being upset with right wing voters who don't believe in climate change. point being it shouldn't surprise anyone that political "opinions" contain a degree of culpability |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.05.19 | George Washington was such a great leader, taking over all the airports in the revolutionary war and whatnot
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Valkoor952
07.05.19 | "who says the random white woman won't be against abortion? the most hardline Muslim position on abortion is that it's forbidden after 120 days/16 weeks. tfw saudi arabia is more progressive than some american states"
Damn, you're so full of shit Key, you really think everyone is this naive and doesn't know what you are talking about lol.
Abortions in the middle east are incredibly punitive. In most third world countries abortion is ONLY allowed if there is risk to the mother's life or a risk to her physical health. Saudi Arabia in particular includes a risk to her mental health along with her physical. The only muslim majority countries that allow abortions on all grounds in the FIRST trimester only are Tunisia and Turkey. Virtually everywhere else they are reserved to only instances in which the mother's life or health are at risk. (Sudan also has a rape exception). |
Keyblade
07.05.19 | like I said to Ghost, the jab about saudi was hyperbole. idk wtf their laws are
I wasn't talking about laws of individual nations but the opinion held by the average Muslim which is what Trophy was talking about
the Islamic position is that life begins after the first trimester, that's already more progressive than a lot of American conservatives which was the point u missed and made u google a bunch of different countries' laws good job |
Keyblade
07.05.19 | actually 16 weeks/120 days is a little bit beyond the first trimester but w/e that just goes to show u that Saudi Arabia and other countries are more extreme than I even conceived in my head when I made that joke
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PunchforPunch
07.05.19 | lol educate these fools key |
budgie
07.05.19 | #teamKey |
Valkoor952
07.05.19 | "the jab about saudi was hyperbole."
Sure buddy, nice dodge.
"I wasn't talking about laws of individual nations but the opinion held by the average Muslim which is what Trophy was talking about"
Ah, problem is you are still wrong. 55% of muslims believe abortion should be legal versus 58% of US citizens. There's also another huge issue. Comparing american-muslims' opinion on such issues to the opinion of muslims in a muslim majority country or considering them to be similar is very myopic and/or dishonest. For example, american-muslim opinion on homosexuality is that 52% of them believe homosexuality should be accepted. However, you look at the consensus in any muslim majority country and you see that the rate of acceptance is extremely low. The same can be applied to abortion (which is why abortion laws are the way they are in the middle east).
"the Islamic position is that life begins after the first trimester, that's already more progressive than a lot of American conservatives which was the point u missed and made u google a bunch of different countries' laws good job"
The only thing that you were correct about - the idea from Islamic scripture that says after four months, angels have breathed a soul into the child in the womb. If you want to use this argument as a rational foundation as to why life begins at four months and muslims are more progressive, sure go ahead lmao.
Oh and btw, I already kinda knew about the abortion laws in the middle east, which is why I knew you were completely wrong. I did google the other statistics, just because I expected your statements again to be full of shit and guess what, they were.
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Keyblade
07.05.19 | "Sure buddy, nice dodge."
uh ok, I'm just being real. if u wanna puff ur chest up and pretend like I'm dodging u, go ahead. I'm just surprised u have something to add to the discussion beyond "sjw bad" so imma let that slide
I know what poll ur talking about, it's actually the one I was thinking about when I made that comment to Trophy. if I remember correctly, Muslim Americans were more in favour of abortion than all Christian denominations except for one (and even then, not by much), which only goes to strengthen my point to Trophy that even if there are these different views on social issues, that they're typically malleable and eventually fall in line with wider society's (case in point, 55 and 58% are almost identical)
" If you want to use this argument as a rational foundation as to why life begins at four months and muslims are more progressive, sure go ahead lmao"
yea that's exactly the argument I want to make and literally the only one I was making. 4 months is far more progressive than conception. that's it. ur reaching hard looking for an argument when there isn't one |
unclereich
07.05.19 | most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives most conservatives |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.05.19 | most conservatives support a thrice married dementia riddled racist who has to pay and rape to get laid.
MUH CHRISTIAN VALUES!1!! |
Valkoor952
07.05.19 | "I'm just surprised u have something to add to the discussion beyond "sjw bad"
insert generic right-wing insult -check.
"if I remember correctly, Muslim Americans were more in favour of abortion than all Christian denominations except for one"
If I remember correctly he says, after he has obviously googled and found that exact poll just now lol
So, apparently you don't read your own comments dude, let me help you. Here's what you wrote word by word: "the most hardline Muslim position on abortion is that it's forbidden after 120 days/16 weeks. tfw saudi arabia is more progressive than some american states"
first of all, you are clearly implying that the *majority* of muslims i.e their most conservative position is that abortion should be forbidden/ is forbidden after 16 weeks, which as we've already pointed out is complete nonsense. Second, if we take your second interpretation of your own words, it is STILL illogical. You think the most hardline muslim position of abortion comes from muslims from the US? I already explained, why muslims in the US would be considered radically liberal to virtually muslims from any other muslim majority country (maybe except Turkey). Which means that Saudi Arabia, or any muslim majority country for that matter (again, with the exception of Turkey) is neither really more progressive in terms of laws, neither in terms of views on abortion, which was your entire assertion. Sure, they have an idea from an islamic scripture that human life begins at four months, but neither their laws, nor their actual views when it comes to the legality of abortion, coincide with the term "progressive".
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Keyblade
07.06.19 | "insert generic right-wing insult -check."
nah it's very specific. this is literally the first time i've seen u make any other point on these political threads. just an observation, no offence
anyway, again, ur reading way too much into that comment. the most hardline mainstream Islamic position is that there are no exceptions after ensoulment/120 days which, for argument's sake, i extrapolated onto the majority of muslims. i obviously wasn't talking about american muslims because if you still recall, Trophy and Supernatural were having a discussion about cultural diversity and a hypothetical disagreement that might arise as a result
the reason i had that particular poll in mind was because like i said, that poll shows that whatever disagreements there might initially be (for arguments sake let's say the migrants' opinions mirror the laws of their home country 1:1, since law seems to be ur barometer), they dissipate not long after. actually looking at that poll right now, muslims are above the national average (55 vs 53% legal in all/most cases...not 58%, so maybe we're talking about different polls)
the mistake i made was not considering that saudia arabia, or other countries for that matter, could actually go beyond the most hardline mainstream Islamic position of medieval scholars. i mean i already knew this but i never thought about it, so i guess my joke fell flat there but it's honestly not that serious
assuming you don't agree with my premise, I'm more than happy to continue the original discussion on diversity if you'd like instead of nitpicking an offhand joke as this is quite tedious and accomplishing nothing |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | how many abortions do you guys think trump has paid for |
TheSupernatural
07.06.19 | "honestly i think it's a pretty lousy scene lol."
It is a lousy scene on its own but it's taking the simplified logic of saying America is the best and shooting it down with the barest of arguments and no ideological attachment. It's what Sorkin excels at. There's a reason The West Wing was basically worshipped among liberals. Hell, Obama cabinet members were stating it was an inspiration for them getting into politics.
I'm actually a sucker for Sorkin's writing style and the way his fast-paced conversations work on multiple levels, but the way he writes politics suddenly makes his characters 1-dimensional and just there to prove a point. |
Valkoor952
07.06.19 | "the mistake i made was not considering that saudia arabia, or other countries for that matter, could actually go beyond the most hardline mainstream Islamic position of medieval scholars. i mean i already knew this but i never thought about it, so i guess my joke fell flat there but it's honestly not that serious"
fine, my issue was with the assertion that the hardline muslim position is pro-abortion up till 4 months, which even if it's included in the islamic scriptures (based on academic interpretation), it does not represent the actual view of the majority of muslims on the legality of abortion, or their corresponding laws.
anyways, #Tulsi2020 |
Keyblade
07.06.19 | i'm down with that |
unclereich
07.06.19 | Most conservatives |
Larkinhill
07.06.19 | how many abortions do you guys think trump has paid for
—asking the important questions here. |
unclereich
07.06.19 | Well we’ll have another 5 or so years to ask these questions |
Keyblade
07.06.19 | we'll see our first lib die of trump derangement syndrome in a couple of years |
unclereich
07.06.19 | Thankfully abortion is still legal just about everywhere in this great country so plenty are dying before theyre born! |
Storm In A Teacup
07.06.19 | All it takes is to be a good person and then you understand socialism is the correct path. |
Keyblade
07.06.19 | can't even tell how many layers of irony that is goddammit dyke |
unclereich
07.06.19 | Well aware lol |
hal1ax
07.06.19 | is this the free market place of ideas ? |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | -thinks abortion is murder
-is fine with concentration camps at the border
#trumplogic |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | -GOP are the party of “patriots”
-are fine with trump almighty and that fuckhead Mitch McConnell treating veterans and 9/11 first responders like shit
#trumplogic |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | -party fights for religious freedoms
-fuck Muslims tho lol
#trumplogic |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | -“Love thy neighbor (as long as they aren’t from ‘shitholes’)”
#trumplogic |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | Conservatives are so fucking backwards they couldn’t find their own ass with both hands and a map |
budgie
07.06.19 | -"claim to be fiscally responsible"
-"every year that goes by while we ignore climate change is estimated to increase eventual costs by 900 billion dollars, source IPCC"
#trump logic |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | “Brilliant business man”
“Bankrupted a casino”
#trumplogic
I could do this all day |
Meridiu5
07.06.19 | Bancruptcy is normal for entrepreneurs you doof. He obviously has more successes than failures. |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | “He obviously has more successes than failures.”
well yeah, he’s president.
And it still doesn’t change the fact that the Taj Mahal is a resounding failure due to trumps incredible business savvy |
Valkoor952
07.06.19 | Dude you're so annoying and cringy, please stop. |
Keyblade
07.06.19 | who really gives a fuck if he's bankrupt or fucks hookers or w/e |
budgie
07.06.19 | don't stop wildcardbitchesss
you're speaking reason |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | I mean if Obama fucked hookers and went bankrupt multiple times righties would never shut the fuck up about it. Speaks volumes that they resort to making up bullshit about fake birth certificates and saying his wife looks like an ape.
and thanks valkoor I’ll be here all week, not gonna comb through this thread to check out your contribution but I’m just gonna assume it’s a bunch of conservative nonsense
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Keyblade
07.06.19 | everyone knows they're hypocrites dude, they don't give a shit lol. they're operating on a whole different moral plane. ur fighting fire with hot air. only thing u can convince them of is supporting certain policies that would benefit them |
Keyblade
07.06.19 | if u say "the big orange guy says mean things", they'll just be like..so? and rightly so. one thing i'm glad trump did is making mealy-mouthed, "polite" politicians all but obsolete. the whole metagame done switched up |
DrMaximus
07.06.19 | Communism 2020 |
Meridiu5
07.06.19 | don't stop wildcardbitchesss
you're speaking reason
He's probably poor and in a basement aptment |
Keyblade
07.06.19 | ... |
Meridiu5
07.06.19 | And yet hes up here talking like he knows anything about finance. Shove it, Key |
PunchforPunch
07.06.19 | You know what? I'm just gonna say it. Australians are Asians. There, I said it. |
RadioheadIsOverrated
07.06.19 | Bernie is still the best, granted Tulsi and Mayor Pete would be good too |
Keyblade
07.06.19 | "And yet hes up here talking like he knows anything about finance. Shove it, Key"
i dont get it, does him being poor make trump any more or less bankrupt? isnt this what u guys call ad hominem |
budgie
07.06.19 | ad hominem only works when theyre the opposing commentator |
Meridiu5
07.06.19 | i dont get it, does him being poor make trump any more or less bankrupt? isnt this what u guys call ad hominem
I already proved his argument is bad. I'm just pointing out the effects of being financially clueless on his own life. |
Valkoor952
07.06.19 | "Bernie is still the best, granted Tulsi and Mayor Pete would be good too"
Bernie has never been the "best" anything. The number one delusion among berniebros is that he is this anti-establishment, anti-war, genuine politician which is some far and away fantasy. Actions speak louder than words.
Mayor Pete got unironically btfo'd by Eric Swallow of all people. His faux christian grandstanding is also annoying. |
budgie
07.06.19 | why is bernie not antiestablishment
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TheSupernatural
07.06.19 | "Bernie has never been the "best" anything. The number one delusion among berniebros is that he is this anti-establishment, anti-war, genuine politician which is some far and away fantasy. Actions speak louder than words."
Who, among the 20+ folks running for president, has a better record of fighting against war and systemic violence? Gravel is the only one I can think of but his campaign is an extracurricular project by college students. |
Valkoor952
07.06.19 | "why is bernie not antiestablishment"
"Who, among the 20+ folks running for president, has a better record of fighting against war and systemic violence? Gravel is the only one I can think of but his campaign is an extracurricular project by college students."
lol what
Like I said, actions for me speak louder than words, I don't care what a politician says, I care about his track record. Bernie is an absolute company man, he votes Democrat 96% of the time. He supports wars when it's politically expedient for him to do so, a.k.a when the President has a "D" next to his name instead of an "R". Bernie has supported the war in Afghanistan, he supported the Obama Iran deal and supported sanctions as well. He voted for sanctions on Libya, Iran and Iraq ( from which hundreds of thousands died). He knew how many people the sanctions had killed, and yet he supported a regime change altogether in Iraq in 1998 (Iraq Liberation act). He was perfectly fine with going to war with Iraq when Clinton was president. He voted to bomb Kosovo (one of his staff members resigned over it). He was pro-Al Qaeda in Syria, was constantly spouting rhetoric of how incredibly dangerous and evil Bashar Assad was, pushing the propaganda that he gassed his own people (which is not true).
He's incredibly pro-Israel, but that shouldn't surprise anyone. He was pro-drone strike during Obama's years. Was also pro-Saudi Arabia then and thought they were the solution to fighting ISIS, which is a complete joke considering SA are the ones funding ISIS in the first place. Bernie has also supported US intervention in Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Liberia, Zair, Kongo, Albania, Sudan and Yugoslavia. His supporters and he himself, always cling to his оnе vote against the second Iraq war. The problem is, a lot of Democrats voted against that war. They weren't really voting against the war, they were voting against George Bush. And that's just the start. There was a divide of how the US should have went to war, not whether they SHOULD have went to war. Democrats wanted it to be more multilateral, Republicans wanted it to be more unilateral. His problem was with Bush, not the war itself. Beyond that, I'm well aware of his rhetoric during the Trump administration, but I could care less for what he says, because it is painfully obvious he will say anything to get his base riled up and to get anti-war cred as long as it's against the Republicans.
To claim that he has the best anti-war record among the democrats is a joke, he's a warmonger when it's convenient for him. |
Wildcardbitchesss
07.06.19 | “He's probably poor and in a basement aptment”
“I already proved his argument is bad. I'm just pointing out the effects of being financially clueless on his own life.”
lol assuming you know shit about me. Early 20’s got my own place with a decent paying job and going on my second year in tech school, not that I need to prove anything to some cunt on the internet
I’m not doing amazing, but I’m a lot better off than a lot others, it’s called empathy, something you and yours wouldn’t know about. |
budgie
07.06.19 | "Who, among the 20+ folks running for president, has a better record of fighting against war and systemic violence? Gravel is the only one I can think of but his campaign is an extracurricular project by college students."
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/47/military-personnel
;/ |
Chambered79
07.06.19 | This thread is the reason trump is going to get re-elected unfortunately |
MO
07.06.19 | "As long as the left has people like this pushing everyone right, then yeah"
this so hard. the democratic party has literally gone batshit insane and are pushing even left leaning moderates away. they need a complete overhaul |
GhostB1rd
07.06.19 | Beanie.
Beanie Saunders.
Fighting the good fight. |
GhostB1rd
07.06.19 | My favorite part about Auschwitz is when the Jews went there voluntarily and, upon being asked every single day if they wanted to leave and go home, said "Nah, I'm good here." |
Chambered79
07.06.19 | Exactly MO. If the left want to see how the hell that orange idiot is probably going to get re-elected, they're gonna have to look in the mirror |
Valkoor952
07.06.19 | @budgie
a lot of his votes that I mentioned are missing there, so it's far worse than that |
Meridiu5
07.06.19 | this so hard. the democratic party has literally gone batshit insane and are pushing even left leaning moderates away. they need a complete overhaul
Just vote republican |
budgie
07.06.19 | "a lot of his votes that I mentioned are missing there, so it's far worse than that"
could you reference them |
GhostB1rd
07.06.19 | Yo budgie how much did you contribute to the pot in taxes last year? |
Valkoor952
07.06.19 | ""a lot of his votes that I mentioned are missing there, so it's far worse than that"
could you reference them"
I could but I mentioned a shit ton of them, can't be bothered to link them all. A simple google search of "Bernie Sanders Kosovo vote" for example will show you the bills you are looking for.
PS: govtrack.us has everything you need |
budgie
07.06.19 | "i have heard people think that the us participation in kosovo is unconstitional. they're right"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8S19u91Dfs
not very pro-war man |
GhostB1rd
07.07.19 | Yo budgie how much did you contribute to the pot in taxes last year? |
Valkoor952
07.07.19 | ""i have heard people think that the us participation in kosovo is unconstitional. they're right"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8S19u91Dfs
not very pro-war man"
you couldn't have watched the entire clip, and still be that dense, can you? On the same day, he voted for the kosovo resolution which resulted in bombings, killing hundreds of civilians. What I said about actions being louder than words escapes you it seems.
Notice how Sanders always portrays these conflicts as "very complex, no easy solution", he doesn't advocate for war/intervention outright, and yet when it comes to the floor his "yes" vote is almost always certain. |
budgie
07.07.19 | hahahaha alright bro |
GhostB1rd
07.07.19 | Yo budgie how much did you contribute to the pot in taxes last year? |
Valkoor952
07.07.19 | found the triggered berniebro
hey, you could do your country a favor and vote for someone who actually has a very solid position on foreign policy (which is probably the most important issue voters should actually focus on), and who's medicare plan won't actually abolish all relevant private insurance
#Tulsi2020 |
budgie
07.07.19 | >;D |
GhostB1rd
07.07.19 | Yo budgie what is a 1040? |
Chambered79
07.07.19 | Bernies not gonna win dw |
GUNGFUHAMMERFIST
07.07.19 | Yo budgie how much did you contribute to the pot in taxes last year?
probably more than donnie |
Valkoor952
07.07.19 | Roasted |
Rowhaus
07.07.19 | "probably more than donnie"
it's almost as if the wealthy have the means to hire tax attorneys the middle class can't afford
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Sinternet
07.07.19 | sputnikmusic,com: where the political discussion is almost as bad as the album ratings |
