EliteTaste: why are so many neckbeards libertarians?

EliteTaste 02.17.17	can someone help me reach the bottom of this?
UndineParty 02.17.17	This made me see this issue from a new perspective, thanx
EliteTaste 02.17.17	perhaps it is just easy to favour the abolition of welfare systems when you live rent-free at your parents'??
Frippertronics 02.17.17	does this happen to align with the lack of thot breaker?
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	Perhaps the question you should be asking is why are so many proponents of authoritarianism clean-shaven, no?
EliteTaste 02.17.17	I'm referring to neckbeard subculture rather than all people with hair on their neck
EliteTaste 02.17.17	I feel like there's an argument to be made about the position of libertarianism as the political belief of the self-proclaimed "marginalised"
EliteTaste 02.17.17	also worth noting that a lot of the marxists had thick natty beards, albeit not of the neck variety
Trundle 02.17.17	sach hate to brake it to you but your a 19 yr old who pretends to be homeless while simultaneously creating dozens of alts and generating 1000's of posts. you're nothing more than an attention whore pussy, so kindly stfu
EliteTaste 02.17.17	neckbeard sighting
ScuroFantasma 02.17.17	"also worth noting that a lot of the marxists had thick natty beards, albeit not of the neck variety" Probs just the style at the time in the fatherland
EliteTaste 02.17.17	quite possibly. but even the revisionist and structuralist marxists were partial to thick natty beards.
EliteTaste 02.17.17	is mlp possibly a means of libertarian propaganda?
Trundle 02.17.17	lol I'm Canadian, and somewhat had faith in Ron Paul in your shit hole down south, then like a month before the election he comes out with this post talking about vaccinations like a conspiracy theorist and saying they're a point of liberty sorry but convincing dumb people not to vaccinate their kids from polio shouldn't be a point of liberty, in the last election in canada i voted Green party but again, you're an attention whore with shit taste who pretends to be homeless for sympathy
EliteTaste 02.17.17	I'm not american btw and the green party is basically the home of all the "left libertarians" so you're not really proving you're anything more than an angry neckbeard 😂
Trundle 02.17.17	and you pretend to be homeless for attention, if you're a Canadian liberal that's too fucking funny
EliteTaste 02.17.17	lol not sure where you're pulling that shit from I'm still crashing friends cribs cuz I can't afford my own place and I'm a #commie so come at me
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	what system(s) do you advocate outta curiosity Jeremy Jackson
EliteTaste 02.17.17	^^^^
hal1ax 02.17.17	damn gettin doxxd up in this bih
EliteTaste 02.17.17	libertarians are quite interesting so far as they see it okay to say//do even the dirtiest shit to rattle their opponents yet cry like little bitches when you give them anything in return
EliteTaste 02.17.17	which again correlates with well-known behaviours of neckbeards see: anonymous, 4chan, and the like
Trundle 02.17.17	if you're actually homeless and spend this much time on sputnik, you know you're legit
hal1ax 02.17.17	i kno i kno im playn
MyNameIsPencil 02.17.17	the neckbeard seeps into the fellas brain, and makes them turn libertarian it's not their fault. it's like an alien parasite, destroying the host but not psychically. rather socially
EliteTaste 02.17.17	"if you're actually homeless" I mean, I'm not sleeping rough anymore, but I'm on a kind of permanent move between places to eat//sleep which makes me somewhat of a vagrant I guess, but i don't want that shit
EliteTaste 02.17.17	"the neckbeard seeps into the fellas brain, and makes them turn libertarian" intriguing take but it does beg the question, why are the beards libertarian?
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	He said his not actually homeless just staying at mates places plus lotta places got free wifi/charging ports plus got a lot of free time if you're homeless plus you're quite rude for a Canadian
Trundle 02.17.17	call the wahmbulance, sach needs moar attention + futures
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	neckbeards destroy the hosts physically just as much as mentally, have you ever seen anyone pull one off ?
EliteTaste 02.17.17	@pbateman lol dude have a shave the neckbeard is eating your brain
EliteTaste 02.17.17	lest I have to remind you of your old fetish for introducing yourself with "I have schizophrenia and [insert mental illness here], I am bona fide insane"
Trundle 02.17.17	and when have i ever done that
Trundle 02.17.17	you're living with mom pretendin to be homeless bud
zakalwe 02.17.17	I love sach.
EliteTaste 02.17.17	"and when have i ever done that" many a time fuck the first I saw of your return was your bragging about going through electro-shock therapy and shit talk about ATTENTION WHORE "you're living with mom pretendin to be homeless bud" lol I ain't even in contact with my mum, quit tryin
EliteTaste 02.17.17	but please, let us keep this on topic I need an answer to this question
Trundle 02.17.17	dude if anyone's not trying it's you, living your life on sputnik while claiming to be mooching off your friends
MyNameIsPencil 02.17.17	the beards are libertarian cause
voltairesangryglove 02.17.17	because having either attribute means lacking any semblance of self-awareness.
EliteTaste 02.17.17	"dude if anyone's not trying it's you, living your life on sputnik while claiming to be mooching off your friends" I know I'm not trying you're currently trying way too hard and to be fair I try to limit my mooching I tutor here and there, pick up odd jobs problem is none of the money is accumulating
hal1ax 02.17.17	the neck-hair follicles themselves are libertarian
zakalwe 02.17.17	An actual answer? They've been ideologically subverted to a point they're contrarians regardless of anything good, have a complete lack of identity and a mindset that is only given value if it's fed with a sense of self worth so even though they think they're taking the moral high ground they can't see the bigger picture because they are bubble dwelling selfish cunts who have no sense of graft, grit, humour or individualism.
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	1 neck hair follicle = 1 libertarian respect
EliteTaste 02.17.17	@zakalwe I feel a lot of that, and it seems to make sense, but it begs the question of why libertarianism is now becoming so popular. is contrarianism the new black? are ideological and moral subversion now seen as suitable alternatives to normality?
zakalwe 02.17.17	They know not what they do.
Trundle 02.17.17	the most retarded movement is the "sovereign citizen" movement though, with out a doubt
hal1ax 02.17.17	hmm. maybe people are becoming increasingly dismayed by government inefficacy and as a result resign themselves to adopting more 'anti-government' ideologies? idk
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	Man I think you're srsly underestimating the amount of pliable ignorant morons who bandwagon and don't bother researching beyond the surface level of the ideologies they espouse or at least claim to . Living in Texas for 2 months made that very patent
Jasdevi087 02.17.17	are a lot of neckbeards libertarian or are a lot of libertarians neckbeards??????
SgtShock 02.17.17	It's interesting how well Internet culture meshes with the libertarian mindset. Low regulation, prosumer Web 2.0 shenanigans, "lul free speech", high-octane individualism, etc. The whole "young white males love libertarianism" thing makes sense given that libertarianism is really popular in their online spaces. Or the fact that it's pretty easy to consider taxation theft if you're relatively well-off or not using any government assistance (you know, other than police, roads, military, etc. but im being kind of snarky so I'll stop). So yeah. White dudes who spend too much time online.
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	Taxation ain't a theft but those on perpetual welfare (bludgers as we call them in austrlaia) are objectionable to say the least. I understand there are circumstances that can prevent one from working at least to a degree with which to sustain themselves financially but in austrlaia the welfare is so substantial that you can sub subsist pretty easily on these payments alone, especially if single and living frugally so you get a lot of 'bludgers'. Plus they're pretty lenient with the eligibility criteria imo. I'm all for social security but it's got Real high potential for abuse. Gone off on a tangent haven't I
Trundle 02.17.17	the main thing i hate about Australia is that the crocodile hunter box set costs 300 bucks
SgtShock 02.17.17	I guess my experiences are different here in the US. The most common form of welfare here is SNAP but only 25% of those eligible for it even use it. The rest of the programs go down percentage-wise. That isn't to say there isn't plenty of hate for welfare "bludgers" like you said, but it's usually a mixture of good ole fashioned individualism and racial resentment that gets people real mad about it. I could blab about this shit all day but I don't wanna drag this thread off topic too much.
EliteTaste 02.17.17	only upper middle class white people and bogans believe in the idea of there being welfare "bludgers" tbh
Deathconscious 02.17.17	Anybody here down with fascism?
zakalwe 02.17.17	Some people really do take the piss though. Every benefit under the sun because kids on the social are a money maker. Some of these smelly bastards need EX-TER-MINA-TING!!!!!
SgtShock 02.17.17	I prefer Sharia Law, tyvm
SgtShock 02.17.17	How much do you think guns have to do with the neckbeard libertarian connection?
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	you're not automatically a bludger if you're on welfare (to me) but you've gotta admit there are a lot of people on welfare who don't need/deserve to be, whether they're being mendacious by not declaring the full income they earn (lots of cash jobs etc) or simply have no desire to find work and actually contribute to the economy. I personally know a handful of people who fit this bill so i've got to assume there are a few more of them throughout Australia.
zakalwe 02.17.17	Knock on their doors ephemeral eternity and use the term mendacious. You'll break down barriers.
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	I'd prefer to just evict them from their gov housing an force their asses onto the street for as long as it takes them to realize that perhaps complaining about immigrants taking the jobs they've not even bothered to apply for isn't going to do them any good. Not to mention their work ethic is usually complete shit. I thought tradies were a fairly hardworking bunch until I actually work with them for a couple months, and these were the more driven (working) portion of the bogan demographic too
Typhoon24 02.17.17	maybe an outdoor exposure thing
EliteTaste 02.17.17	"not declaring the full income they earn (lots of cash jobs etc)" that's not being a bludger that's being a fraud and the employers are as much to blame in such an instance, for they facilitate it "simply have no desire to find work and actually contribute to the economy." this is stupid for two reasons: 1) if you take away their money and/or government housing they will turn to more problematic alternatives (see: drugs, aggressive panhandling, mugging, etc.). 2) if they use welfare money to buy groceries//whatever, they're perpetuating the circulation of money, and hence maintaining the operation of the economy. those that have money and choose not to spend it, or choose to sink it into assets//send it to a cute tax haven, are more harmful to the economy than welfare dependents.
EliteTaste 02.17.17	"perhaps complaining about immigrants taking the jobs they've not even bothered to apply for isn't going to do them any good" this is just plain ignorant tbh like even this week there was a report detailing the fact that dominos have basically been flying workers in to fill management roles, even when australians have applied for those jobs competition has destroyed a bunch of australian industries (see: manufacturing, certain areas of science and engineering), and contributed to this new era of growing structural employment. and it's not domestic competition that's killing domestic industries.
kascetcadettt 02.17.17	i want to join a skate punk band
EliteTaste 02.17.17	sorry i don't smoke weed
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	yeah good points but i still feel that there has to be more stringent conditions w/ welfare handouts to dissuade them from going and spending it predominantly on booze and other vices. I'ts a fkn difficult situation and I'm not saying i have a solution but the current system seems pretty flawed in a lot of ways
kascetcadettt 02.17.17	so what guys are u talking like politics or something, i guess donald trump is pretty bad huh
ScuroFantasma 02.17.17	"perhaps complaining about immigrants taking the jobs they've not even bothered to apply for isn't going to do them any good" Complaining about welfare bludgers is basically equivalent.
Deathconscious 02.17.17	NUCLEAR WARHEADS READY TO STRIKE THE WORLD IS SO FUCKED LETS END IT TONIGHT
jagride 02.17.17	let's make the process of getting welfare even more invasive for the vast majority of people who genuinely need it just so the malevolent poors can't screw us over with their reckless indulgence in lottery tickets and booze
jagride 02.17.17	yes i am a daily mail subscriber
RadicalEd 02.17.17	#bringonthenukes
Sinternet 02.17.17	I think it could be to do with the fact that they see themselves as superior and more worthwhile than other people, and so they falsely believe that they stand the most to gain from a libertarian society.
Sinternet 02.17.17	Also with a lack of social skills comes a lack of empathy for your common man.
zakalwe 02.17.17	Right let's just clear something up about immigration. Controlled immigration is a good thing and beneficial to a countries economy and structure. Mass immigration, especially one in which a completely different cultural belief system is introduced is fucking shit. Anyone who thinks otherwise lives in an area that is completely unaffected by it or they haven't been subjected to it.
SIIMBOLIC 02.17.17	immigration is good as long as they're white : )
SIIMBOLIC 02.17.17	but srsly fuck it if you're gonna spend energy on the subject at least do it in a useful arena i.e not a music forum site
SIIMBOLIC 02.17.17	but hey i guess typing shit on the internet is way easier than actually doing anything.
zakalwe 02.17.17	We all have opinions to be shared, talk about it. Don't be shut down. Ever.
LambsBread 02.17.17	This list is obviously projection. Libertarians are hated because they succeed. It's basic class envy.The philosophy can be extreme when repeated by idiots, but it's heading in the right direction and much of the philosophy could be used to increase the standard of living if all. Taxation IS theft. It's just a necessary evil. The only people dumber than those who want to abolish all taxes tomorrow are those who think the government is their friend, Obama isn't a phony and taxation is morally good/don't understand the nature of government is based on extortion and violence - who zealously advocate making the biggest government in history even bigger for some chump change welfare money. Can't blame people born into poverty for going with the free hand out party, but people like you are generally just jealous losers who go with the flow at all times in a desperate attempt to fit in and be a cuck. You hate on people whose parents gave them basic things because your parents were probably deadbeats. Most libertarians I have met don't come from silver spoon families, they just have parents who aren't broke and pay for them to go to college. Sorry but it's not libertarians fault that your parents are losers, it's genetic.
kascetcadettt 02.17.17	bollocks
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	'Complaining about welfare bludgers is basically equivalent.' maybe from the sense that it ain't going to do me any good but otherwise not at all. I've had my share of jobs in affluent to low socieconomic suburbs and it was always the latter where I'd hear people fulminating against the loss of jobs to immigrants, and it was often the customers where you couldn't help but think fair enough who in the fuck would employ a bloke with a face tat and the intellect of a 12 year old who ALSO has this strange entitlement complex, is overtly bigoted and presumably has a shit work ethic. Plus is probably only a >3rd gen aussie themselves as with majority of the country. Not saying that domestic job loss isn't a thing or isn't a serious issue but always found this situation amusing.
SIIMBOLIC 02.17.17	most people just go with the flow richy rich kids become overachieving richy richers themselves to avoid ostracism from their known surroundings just like a peasant dole bludger will
kascetcadettt 02.17.17	everything you say is complete bollocks guys
Deathconscious 02.17.17	I rest my case!
zakalwe 02.17.17	Plus. What is the answer? What will change? What would actually happen if we all got on with one another and lived in a world where there was no war, no crime, no disharmony, no intolerance, no cause to question? You'd be a clockwork satsuma or summink.
jagride 02.17.17	every neckbeard libertarian is a potential captain of industry. they disengage from society because they're just waiting for the right conditions (no more crony capitalism and statism)
LambsBread 02.17.17	Honestly anyone who doesn't pay for their kids education, or at least lend them money at 0 interest, is a deadbeat. It's not hard to start an education fund. The government basically begs people to do so and makes it easy for middle class families to afford it if they want to. The problem is parents blow thn Money on themselves, travel, by nice cars etc wnd don't spend it on their kids. Then they wanna turn around and blame the system cuz they don't know how to save money in the richest country in history. Losers i tell you
SIIMBOLIC 02.17.17	everything is cyclical. What is happening in the west, especially america, is identical to what happened in rome the perpetual growth based empires grow till the bubble bursts then implode
SIIMBOLIC 02.17.17	"The government basically begs people to do so" yeah so they dont have to spend taxes on education and can spend it on big guns and political pension schemes
LambsBread 02.17.17	There's some exceptions to what I'm saying. But generally in America people are just selfish and hate on libertarians to try to make themselves feel better about how they blew their kids future for frivolous Bullshit they didn't need. Conservatives in general are hated because they value having a good family. Most democrats are non-loyal selfish haters and it's no surprise they are hated even by their own families and can't secure a small loan from their own father. Democrats are utterly confused/ignorant at best, devious extortionist selfish scum phonies at worst. Libertarians are just a bit socially awkward because they come from families/genetics who work more than they socialize.
Sinternet 02.17.17	I thought you were leaving
Deathconscious 02.17.17	Sweeping generalizations without any facts to back them up are fun, dont you guys think so?
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	Isn't it just tacit that every assertion is a generalisation so we don't need to bother saying there may be a couple of exceptions to whatever I'm saying in a country of 300 million
ScuroFantasma 02.17.17	@Ephemeral - yeah fair enough, I have no issue with complaining about bludgers on a personal level, I just don't agree with those who try to use them (like immigrants) as a scapegoat and blame all of societies'/their problems on. "Controlled immigration is a good thing and beneficial to a countries economy and structure. Mass immigration, especially one in which a completely different cultural belief system is introduced is fucking shit." [2] took me quite a while to figure this out for myself.
botb 02.17.17	This thread made me realize I've never met a non-white male libertarian and that's fucking hilarious. Also what do you know sach we do agree on something
Supaduck0 02.17.17	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVj0ZTS4WF4 "at the show i have to piss, jew"
Madbutcher3 02.17.17	i think the problem most people have when discussing welfare or immigration policy is that they criticize it for being flawed, but even the best possible solution on a national scale probably will be critically flawed.
Egarran 02.17.17	Over here in the socialist nightmare of Denmark it is quite obvious that libertarianism is just a sleeping pill administered to the young proud males of capitalism. Can't send them all to war, but we can still make them fight each other so they don't FIGHT THE POWER. Beat
StarlessCore 02.17.17	not gonna read this gonna assume 20 year old Sach whose never left his street in Australia is a whiny lib or something
StarlessCore 02.17.17	a communist who doesn't wanna abolish welfare systems because people live rent free with parents but he doesn't live anywhere spends large amounts of time/money wasted on alcohol and explained his job situation above and wonders why the money isn't accumulating dude why do you post on this site anymore youre a pseudo intellectual disaster. if you can write as well as you do and think as deeply as you think you do, you can get a decent job. intelligence should be worth something in most industries. the fault is your own. stop boozin
Egarran 02.17.17	Do you often ridicule yourself in public?
Relinquished 02.17.17	any solid points itt or is it a bunch of agitation
ZippaThaRippa 02.17.17	Aggro
Snake. 02.17.17	is neck beard?
emester 02.17.17	if you can write as well as you do and think as deeply as you think you do, you can get a decent job. intelligence should be worth something in most industries[2]
hansoloshotfirst 02.17.17	"any solid points itt or is it a bunch of agitation" Lambs Bread is participating in this thread, so go figure...
RadicalEd 02.17.17	"Libertarians are hated because they succeed. It's basic class envy." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I died.
danielito19 02.17.17	Hey lambsbread when Sputnik asked for your username did you just take the last thing you fucked and the last thing you ate and put them together?
Sinternet 02.17.17	Bread is a pretty good fleshlight yea
SgtShock 02.17.17	http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department
danielito19 02.17.17	I love that article so much, glad to see it again
porcupinetheater 02.17.17	I liked the theory that greasy fedora stands flocked to libertatin' cause of the Interwebs but then the people doing the virtual door to door for the Paul Family Values circle jerk are people like LambsBread, and I still was under the impression that anything operating higher than a mesofauna had to have some sort of self-awareness
UndineParty 02.17.17	Mass immigration can be beneficial to an economy as long as they are stripped of their culture and smoke a good weed, This will fire up their neurons allowing them to easily get a degree faster than natural born citizens.
ZippaThaRippa 02.17.17	"Hey lambsbread when Sputnik asked for your username did you just take the last thing you fucked and the last thing you ate and put them together?" Somebody call an ambulance but seriously, that was terrible you should be ashamed of yourself.
rabidfish 02.17.17	out of curiosity, isn't there free and obligatory vaccination in the states? Cuz if there's not, no wonder dumbfucks think it's evil. Either way, let them die out.
UndineParty 02.17.17	Another cause for concern is why are bearded necks becoming so popular and socially accepted in the West and throughout the world. There was once a time when facial hair was frowned upon and you were seen as a lazy slob who gets Cheetos dust stuck in the hairs, now they're paraded around like some type of hero, it's sick. Lumberjacks AREN'T cool
SgtShock 02.17.17	They're just performing alternative forms of masculinity. When unable to be a self-made man (the de facto form of masculinity) who can forge his own destiny and make bank, you have to assert your holy maleness in other ways. The bearded blue-collar guy who makes his own organic IPA's, or the faux "milady" aristocrat with a cane, fedora, and THE BEST most exquisite taste in video games or anime.
zakalwe 02.17.17	Why does it always come down to money with yanks?
Relinquished 02.17.17	you know the answer to that one zak
RadicalEd 02.17.17	"Democrats are utterly confused/ignorant at best, devious extortionist selfish scum phonies at worst. Libertarians are just a bit socially awkward because they come from families/genetics who work more than they socialize." This convinced me that Lambs is the most dedicated troll of all time.
DinosaurJones 02.17.17	Yeah, I don't understand when the beard obsession started. Sure, some guys look fine with beards. But a vast majority just look unkempt and gross.
UndineParty 02.17.17	Because money is the most important thing in the world Only flea infested tree hugging hippies think otherwise
zaruyache 02.17.17	wasn't lamb one of those guys defending christianity too? And then everything he says is blatantly anti-jesus-esque.
aristotleplaysdrums 02.17.17	If only you could explain this with an one liner. My take is that internet culture goes along with trolling culture and naturally a high value of freedom of speech (aka freedom to bully people in many cases) and intellectual property rights (see: piracy). So the people that use the internet a lot and participate in forum threads will have a starting point to libertarianism. Now combine that with a lack of proper education and the power of internet university that gives you the illusion you know a subject when you actually don't, and you get a group of people that can be easily swung to the direction. They are passively recruited by their participation on those forums by getting introduced to similar ideas from people they respect (because they support freedom of speech too). Generally if we are talking about USA the Libertarian Party voters is mostly comprised by south park conservatives rather than actual libertarians. For example, I remember polling in 2012 showed their electorate having a common denominator their disdain for Obamacare most of anything else (>90%), while the majority opposed same sex marriage and abortion. I imagine this applies to internet "neckbeards" too. Of course the neckbeard is just a correlation and doesn't represent most internet libertarians but can be used as a label to describe the sub-culture. Further evidence for this is that most of the internet libertarians seem to oppose the values that libertarian intellectuals support, such as free trade and immigration. They also show a common anti-establishment sentiment. So in my opinion it's mostly a combination of their exposure to the internet, value of freedom of speech and piracy that helps recruit them to the south park conservative spectrum. Of course there are other factors that come in play such as anti-feminism or the fact that people online tend to be upper-middle class from the west.
SCREAM! 02.17.17	"wasn't lamb one of those guys defending christianity too? And then everything he says is blatantly anti-jesus-esque." so your typical republican yeh
Nazzadan 02.17.17	You can read my thoughts here https://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/31s2hv/equestria_is_a_communist_utopia_and_i_will_tell/
SgtShock 02.17.17	Good post Aristotle.
danielito19 02.17.17	He's super antitheistic, yeah
Nazzadan 02.17.17	It's hard out here for a conservative brony
danielito19 02.17.17	South Park conservatism is so cancerous
JWT155 02.17.17	How about all sides blow. I tend to lean more conservative but the current administration and congress is a joke. Take Obamacare for instance. Fine, Obamacare is a disaster in the minds of conservatives, they had 6 years to mindfully piece together a better plan. Amount of time they've spent working on an alternative to Obamacare: 0. Democrats aren't any better. Both sides are despicable.
danielito19 02.17.17	The biggest problem with democrats is that they keep moving center and the republicans just move further right. The dems need to move further left and go back to representing the common man instead of lining their pockets with Wall Street cash. Show blue collar workers the power of unions and get blue voters. Don't just campaign to big money donors in NY and California
Egarran 02.17.17	The "both sides are equally bad" idea died a few months ago fyi.
ArsMoriendi 02.17.17	Neckbeards are gross assholes Libertarians are gross assholes I don't see the confusion, only correlations
danielito19 02.17.17	Yeah Democrats may be corrupt but they aren't actively attempting a coup or trying to quash civil rights or blatantly ignoring separation of church and state or suppressing minority votes
ZippaThaRippa 02.17.17	Well the rabble has been thoroughly roused
ArsMoriendi 02.17.17	Both major parties are fucked up, but yeah the republicans are worse I mean it's been 1 fucking month and Trump has already made it obvious that he's a self interested shitbag
SgtShock 02.17.17	RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION
Egarran 02.17.17	It was a very popular thing to say during 2016 though. Even the smart motherfuckers I know: "Doesn't matter, they're both hand puppets on the same evil entity known as the SYSTEM. Election is a fraud! Only morons vote!" Etc etc. If nothing else, that viewpoint has been nuanced now.
DinosaurJones 02.17.17	When people have well thought out posts and arguments, and there's civil discussion, progress can be made. When there's shit like this "SJW are a cancer, fuckin special snowflakes bitching about safe spaces, get a fuckin job putrid queers," and from either side, ain't nothing getting solved.
StarlessCore 02.17.17	haha sach deleting comments dude is worse than malaria
Sinternet 02.17.17	i havent seen any comments deleted
YakNips 02.17.17	maybe marxists sprout enormous beards to hide their lack of chin?
Sinternet 02.17.17	possible
zaruyache 02.17.17	supposedly there's been a large uptick in the amount of socialist-related activities since trump's win, and many women were reported to have signed up to run for public office as well. "Trump has already made it obvious that he's a self interested shitbag" can't talk about anyone but himself, apparently only watches TV news and rarely reads it, disbelieves all media critical of him, was fine with criminal data hacking during the campaign but now hates leaks, can't hold press conference without rambling incoherently. He's already losing it.
EphemeralEternity 02.17.17	'I mean it's been 1 fucking month and Trump has already made it obvious that he's a self interested shitbag' I know. such disillusionment after his stellar campaign
ZippaThaRippa 02.17.17	He's clearly out of his depth
danielito19 02.17.17	You're out of your element, Donnie.
Trundle 02.17.17	"South Park conservatism is so cancerous" [2]
botb 02.17.17	how did I know progmaster was a libertarian subconsciously before this thread
EliteTaste 02.17.17	woah nice thread imma read
EliteTaste 02.17.17	complimentary i love yous to the following: porch botb kascet hal1 aristotle undine zak porc
Cygnatti 02.17.17	what is south park conservatism??? been meaning to watch that show again tbh.
Cygnatti 02.17.17	"Yeah Democrats may be corrupt but they aren't actively attempting a coup or trying to quash civil rights or blatantly ignoring separation of church and state or suppressing minority votes" wasn't it shown that the democratic convention tampered with the votes (despite pledging to be neutral)? may not be suppressing minority votes, but it's not much better. and some democrats are -talking- about a "coup", but these claims aren't to be seriously considered. pretty laughable tbh.
Sinternet 02.17.17	sach why dont you like me :^(
TheSpaceMan 02.17.17	dems sow their votes with minorities. tbh it seems like a lot of their push for stronger welfare support is that of an investment. obviously not all politicians/intention is in that vein, but its undoubtedly there. like someone said earlier its a no-brainier for a person of color to vote blue, it has the most immediate benefit to their demographic when you look at poverty statistics. idk just sharing thoughts
EliteTaste 02.17.17	tbh if you're a positivist, you're a part of the problem
EliteTaste 02.17.17	"sach why don't you like me :^(" you still haven't convinced me you're not a meme socialist tbh like i bet you're the type to like "sassy memes for socialist teens" on fb i gotta be wary
EliteTaste 02.17.17	also @ starlesscore//progdaddy//fascist what if i told you i don't drink much (if at all) anymore? please tell me about the affordability of weed! not going to say anything about the rest of your post because it is some of the dumbest shit i've ever read it basically just reaffirms what i said: "libertarians are quite interesting so far as they see it okay to say//do even the dirtiest shit to rattle their opponents, yet cry like little bitches when you give them anything in return"
Frippertronics 02.17.17	Wow sach u whore no love for your bwoy
porcupinetheater 02.17.17	Some "Don't-Tread-on-Me" dickholes act like the taxes they pay to support the welfare system are some ridiculous figure when it's a drop in the bucket relative to the amount spent on military aggression and corporate bailouts. If it costs 36 bucks a year (on average) to pay for food stamps, even if a tiny little bit of people are gaming the system, I think that's fair so a bunch of people stuck in the poverty cycle don't have to fucking starve to death. Social Darwinists can foad
TheSpaceMan 02.17.17	yeah but to be fair military spending goes towards an entire industry, and stimulates the economy incredible amounts. i'm not defending it, just pointing out that fallacy that people sorta skip over. welfare, when abused (and i know its not always abused!) sinks money into someone who is not generating goods/services.
TheSpaceMan 02.17.17	i also dont really have a problem with a welfare model, in fact its necessary, i just think it could be reworked
Madbutcher3 02.17.17	But they use the money to buy goods and services...
Trundle 02.17.17	yeah, a lot of libertarians appear to be nothing more than contrarians, and their obsession with fire arms is pretty ridiculous. but I can't think of anything wrong with ending the war on drugs, auditing the fed reserve, and having a non-interventionist foreign policy
TheSpaceMan 02.17.17	@mad without having generated any... that money, if gone anywhere else, would have done that anyway
TheSpaceMan 02.17.17	@nate why would libertarians want to audit the fed reserve? thats 100% against their belief system isnt it?
Trundle 02.17.17	@Space, that's been Ron Pauls' mission, he's been fighting congress and bringing light to the fed for years, people's perception of most Libertarians is ruined by a few bad apples excuse the silly title. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q
TheSpaceMan 02.17.17	i mean dont get me wrong its a good idea, i just dont see how that fits into the libertarian utopia. acknowledging that its failing is like acknowledging your whole political basis is failed
Trundle 02.17.17	The republicans rigged the 2012 election against Ron Paul liked the dems did to bernie
Trundle 02.17.17	"i mean dont get me wrong its a good idea, i just dont see how that fits into the libertarian utopia. acknowledging that its failing is like acknowledging your whole political basis is failed" Um, how so? being libertarian has nothing to do with supporting the federal reserve in fact it's quite the opposite, you know libertarians are obsessed with freedom from tyranny, whether it be real or self perceived
TheSpaceMan 02.18.17	just the whole laissez-faire approach the party is known for. that last sentence is ridiculous.
Trundle 02.18.17	but is it not true? a lot of people who are libertarians have persecution complex's and think the world is out to get them and their guns that doesn't mean they can't get some things right,
Sinternet 02.18.17	'you still haven't convinced me you're not a meme socialist tbh like i bet you're the type to like "sassy memes for socialist teens" on fb i gotta be wary' i mean i'm still not sure where you got this assumption from but if you think i'm just trying to pull one big joke then you're pretty far off tbh
EliteTaste 02.18.17	my hot take: you're a ""left libertarian"" that tries to claim marxist ideology as a means to give your painfully contradictory beliefs a kind of "credibility"
Sinternet 02.18.17	your hot takes gone cold my friend
EliteTaste 02.18.17	tbh it's still steamin
Satellite 02.18.17	the sach/sinternet sam-and-dianne, will-they-won't-they sexual tension is palpable. just fuck already, guys.
Relinquished 02.18.17	forreal
Sinternet 02.18.17	I'm always nice to him but he's always so mean to me :^(
ffs 02.18.17	the level of detail involved in most people's political ideology is inversely proportional to how often they leave the house
porcupinetheater 02.18.17	I go to local dive bar bathrooms and whisper through the glory holes about dialectical materialism at least four times a week so looks like that theory's bunk
Satellite 02.18.17	that's a dangerous game you're playing there buddy
Trundle 02.18.17	"I go to local dive bar bathrooms and whisper through the glory holes about dialectical materialism at least four times a week so looks like that theory's bunk" get this man a drink
EliteTaste 02.18.17	"that's a dangerous game you're playing" not really the semen will wash away the ideological flaws
LambsBread 02.18.17	"lambs did you get your name from the last thing you fucked and ate?" No I meant to type "lambsbeard" to symbolize my neckbeard but made a disastrous typo
EliteTaste 02.18.17	explains a lot tbh
GuanoBumbershoot 02.18.17	I've also wondered where the fuck this Miami Heat wave of Libertarians came from. If anyone's got the time, I'd like to hear a hardline Libertarian/Anarchist explain how these ideologies are realistically attainable. Have you zoomed out to consider potential unforeseen consequences? How would transition happen, and who would be in charge of it? Would it actually give you the freedom you claim to want? Also, sach: Why are you a "# commie"? Can you answer those questions above for Communism?
zaruyache 02.18.17	So why didn't you make a new account then
StarlessCore 02.18.17	because he goes clubbing and vomits codeine and former boozer and wants us to subsidize his ranting on sputnik cause there is no opportunity for him to provide for himself
SgtShock 02.19.17	Yeah, you're right that the "no driver licenses!" crowd and their ilk are low-hanging fruit that doesn't really represent the thrust of the ideology. But for liberals, the same could be said of super-authoritarians who think that government programs are immaculate panaceas to all of society's woes. Its hard to take your post very seriously because you're caricaturizing the left while complaining that the libertarian side is unfairly caricaturized. Something something ultimate attribution error.
Sinternet 02.19.17	'Its hard to take your post very seriously' thats the first rule of interacting wih him
EliteTaste 02.19.17	"because he goes clubbing and vomits codeine and former boozer and wants us to subsidize his ranting on sputnik cause there is no opportunity for him to provide for himself" lmao I'm 99% sure zak was referring to lambsbread and his disastrous typo post are you actually that mad? or if it's in reference to the "why am I a commie thing" you should probably stop exercising your stupidity and let someone that's not a weed-addled social mongoloid have a go at answering his own question. didn't your mum teach you not to speak out of turn?
EliteTaste 02.19.17	I'll answer why I am a #commie in a minute. just gonna grab my 3RD LUNCH OF THE WEEK first.
Spec 02.19.17	"because he goes clubbing and vomits codeine and former boozer and wants us to subsidize his ranting on sputnik cause there is no opportunity for him to provide for himself" Lmao are you talking about me?
EliteTaste 02.19.17	nah me actually
ZippaThaRippa 02.19.17	Do you do that? That doesn't sound fun
EliteTaste 02.19.17	but he's full of shit
EliteTaste 02.19.17	as an aside I never thought mick d's could be this satisfying
Spec 02.19.17	every night
LambsBread 02.19.17	I don't think I'm being at all unfair to "liberals", not in America at least. I mean, they seriously just had the biggest march in history over Trump making a pussy joke, the same people who think Bill Clinton is the best president of all time and a great guy after he got plausibly accused of rape, disbarred for lying under path and slandered women ruthlessly who told the truth. I've truly never met a single "liberal" who even acknowledges that the government can be nefarious. They call you a conspiracy theorist for saying so. Until Trump came along of course. They've been laughing at the argument that the second amendment is needed to protect against tyranny, then they turned around and claimed trump was Hitler. Libertarians seem like far more reasonable people. The left has largely become divorced from logic and devolved into screaming names like "bigot" as if this were an argument. You can't say these people are a minority, look at the size and stupidity of these marches, they burned down a city over a false narrative that Mike Brown was murdered. When you can show me a group of libertarians doing more than that I'll listen. The left in America is a joke today, the reasonable people like Sam Harris are a minority, our education system creates barely functioning fools on purpose to grow the power of government. They glorified Fidel fucking Castro for god sakes
Hurricanslash 02.19.17	Discussions about american politics is some serious popcorn-grabbing material for me. Especially on this site. good stuff.
Cryptkeeper 02.19.17	'I don't think I'm being at all unfair to "liberals", not in America at least. I mean, they seriously just had the biggest march in history over Trump making a pussy joke, the same people who think Bill Clinton is the best president of all time and a great guy after he got plausibly accused of rape, disbarred for lying under path and slandered women ruthlessly who told the truth. I've truly never met a single "liberal" who even acknowledges that the government can be nefarious. They call you a conspiracy theorist for saying so. Until Trump came along of course. They've been laughing at the argument that the second amendment is needed to protect against tyranny, then they turned around and claimed trump was Hitler. Libertarians seem like far more reasonable people. The left has largely become divorced from logic and devolved into screaming names like "bigot" as if this were an argument. You can't say these people are a minority, look at the size and stupidity of these marches, they burned down a city over a false narrative that Mike Brown was murdered. When you can show me a group of libertarians doing more than that I'll listen. The left in America is a joke today, the reasonable people like Sam Harris are a minority, our education system creates barely functioning fools on purpose to grow the power of government. They glorified Fidel fucking Castro for god sakes' Do you strawman for a living or is it just something you're naturally really proficient in?
Hurricanslash 02.19.17	Seems like I warmed up the popcorn just in time.
Cryptkeeper 02.19.17	All for you dude
LambsBread 02.19.17	How am I strawmanning. The biggest march in history was over a pussy joke. Fact. There was a major riot over Mike Brown. Fact. Leftist media supported both with fervor. You're in denial. Your party is an emotional wreck.
Cryptkeeper 02.19.17	I don't even think he's gonna respond, he'll probably make another page proclaiming the leave of his eternal greatness and profess we are not deserving of his presence.
Hurricanslash 02.19.17	Well, seems like you were wrong.
LambsBread 02.19.17	oh don't forget They burned down a college campus because a gay Jew is a "Nazi" Lololol
LambsBread 02.19.17	Yes you really stumped me with "Muh strawman" Consider a career in politics you've got this down
Hurricanslash 02.19.17	Let the ad hominems fly, dudes, I'm here for that stuff!
Cryptkeeper 02.19.17	Ayy. Not my party though, president makes misogynistic jokes, not horrible in itself, but a horrible act as a president, the man is a mess. Black kid steals cigars, but it's no problem if he's shot, he was a criminal so the concept of proportional punishment can be thrown out of the window (also a great way to keep addressing symptoms instead of problems, guess it makes living with such a despicable set of morals far easier). Leftist media supporting moves from political activists leaning left, are you Sherlock Holmes? I'd have never figured it out.
Cryptkeeper 02.19.17	Milo is a flaming faggot with a shtick that turned unfunny 2 years ago, he just wants attention.
Cryptkeeper 02.19.17	Noticed a mistake I made here due to English being my second language, with strawman I meant overgeneralization but still you're not doing anything but spewing /pol/ board levels of logical fallacies
danielito19 02.19.17	yeah those liberals burned down an entire college campus. and it was definitely liberal students and not the black bloc rioters that show up to disrupt every protest in the area
StarlessCore 02.19.17	how is this thread still alive
EphemeralEternity 02.19.17	because of armchair philosophers/politicians with far too much time on their hands (Guilty)
SgtShock 02.19.17	"I don't think I'm being at all unfair to "liberals", not in America at least." You clearly hate them with a flaming passion. No one thinks they're being unfair to a group they hate. I'm gonna do my best to demonstrate which of your points I think are off-base. "I mean, they seriously just had the biggest march in history over Trump making a pussy joke, the same people who think Bill Clinton is the best president of all time and a great guy after he got plausibly accused of rape, disbarred for lying under path and slandered women ruthlessly who told the truth." Did you poll the crowd at that march to see that they think Bill's actions were acceptable? How can you be so sure that they think sexual assault is okay in some cases? Judging by their signs, I'd say not. Even Samantha Bee who eats and breathes that march dogged on bill constantly for being human garbage during his presidency. "I've truly never met a single "liberal" who even acknowledges that the government can be nefarious. They call you a conspiracy theorist for saying so. Until Trump came along of course. They've been laughing at the argument that the second amendment is needed to protect against tyranny, then they turned around and claimed trump was Hitler." I'm not sure what your definition of "met" is, but I certainly think the government can be nefarious and I'm what you've called a "leftist regressive Marxist". Go back to 2000-2008 and you'll find plenty of anti-establishment dems. You've clearly confused authoritarianism with liberalism. The latter is govt. oversight over economy not people -- the opposite of conservatism. Authoritarianism is oversight over both. "The left has largely become divorced from logic and devolved into screaming names like "bigot" as if this were an argument. You can't say these people are a minority, look at the size and stupidity of these marches, they burned down a city over a false narrative that Mike Brown was murdered." If I squint past the hyperbole, I can see the point you're trying to make. Yes, calling people racist and sexist as an argument in itself is hardly effective or even really a discussion at all. However, pointing out that a statement a public official made or a law (voter ID Texas anyone?) is bigoted is a valid thing. Also, I wasn't aware that the Democratic Party burned down Ferguson. Or that those violent protesters represented the ideals of liberalism. Or of any democratic public officials who ordered those acts of arson. Once again, ultimate attribution error. Libertarians are allowed to have fringe "retards" as you've called them, but liberals are represented at their very heart by crimes committed by violent protesters in Ferguson.
SgtShock 02.19.17	"When you can show me a group of libertarians doing more than that I'll listen." I would like to see Libertarians march for their ideas. Unfortunately, due to game theory, our current voting structure will never allow a third party to stand a chance during an election. "The left in America is a joke today," To people who aren't the left. Basic fundamentals of tribalism withstanding, you're gonna find that people who identify with one political group consider the other to be misguided. "the reasonable people like Sam Harris are a minority, our education system creates barely functioning fools on purpose to grow the power of government." Sam Harris? The guy who said this? "If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion." You're getting indignant that someone who makes a polarizing statement like that isn't more popular? Spoiler: Atheists are a minority. Strong atheist moral opinions are going to be minority perspectives -- the current state of liberalism in the US be damned. "They glorified Fidel fucking Castro for god sakes'" Yeah, that was pretty shitty. Dude was a monster.
SgtShock 02.19.17	Anyways, I just wasted twenty minutes of my day in a political thread on Sputnik. Brb, killing myself.
Cygnatti 02.19.17	"yeah those liberals burned down an entire college campus. and it was definitely liberal students and not the black bloc rioters that show up to disrupt every protest in the area" it was both.
GhandhiLion 02.19.17	Anyways, I just wasted twenty minutes of my day in a political thread on Sputnik. Brb, killing myself. [2]
LambsBread 02.19.17	Mike brOwn didn't "steal cigars" he was 300 pounds and charged a police officer then tried to take his gun. This is according to THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. As I said. The left is mostly a fact free dogmatic cult.
LambsBread 02.19.17	Sorry crypt but "muh logical fallacies" isn't an argument. I've pointed out facts that you're frustrated by andncant dispute: E.G. The size of the march over a push joke, riots over nonsense like Milo and Brown etc
LambsBread 02.19.17	@danikeelito a staff member at Berkeley was arrested for assault. Keep apologizing for lynch mobs tho
LambsBread 02.19.17	So much obscurantism Do I have a poll for Clinton? No but I have the fact that Hillary won the popular vote after she attacked bills truthful accusers and the fact that no liberal pundit, celebrity or social media star ever criticizes bill. You're just being obtuse. You Arnent against authoritarianism in any sense if it's ok when your guy (Obama) gets in, but not ok when bush did. Can you show me a march over the NSA or the NDAA? No you can't. Can you show me a hit in Obamas approval polls after it came out he was spying on everyone? No you can't. Democratic officials don't order riots, they just make up false narratives like Mike Brown and call trump a fascist/racist with 0 evidence, which morally obligates rioting. You're taking Sam Harris out of context obviously. He was making a valid point about how religious doctrine leads to more violence than even the most appalling crimes from liberals point of view. Have some integrity. And your admittance that they glorified Castro basically discredits all of the rest of your arguments about hysteria/Marxist-brainwashing-ignorance not being mainstream in the Democrat party.
Sinternet 02.19.17	does that tinfoil hat help cure depression too?
Hurricanslash 02.19.17	No person should ever be shot if he doesn't actively endanger anyones life. Reaching for a gun does not warrant/justify death. Y'all liked that opinion? It's the most political I will ever get on here. Scrubs.
LambsBread 02.19.17	But yeah I guess justin Trudeau is considered a "fringe" part of the left (he eulogized Castro.........) Do yourself a favor and jump off the sinking Democratic Party while you can still save face and join real liberals like Sam Harris instead of slandering him.
LambsBread 02.19.17	Oh no "Muh tinfoil hat" I have been outwitted!
LambsBread 02.19.17	No one car s what you believe hurrican. The law is the law. Reach for an officers gun and you will die. Not only is it the law, its wise. Cops aren't obligated to risk their lives for someone trying to kill them. Get real.
GuanoBumbershoot 02.19.17	"As I said. The left is mostly a fact free dogmatic cult." That same bullshit statement could be slung right back at the right, which, overall, would be just as disingenuous and hacky. You're probably part of the problem if you find it easy to aim generalization and misrepresentation at either side of the spectrum. Discourse will be dead as long as nuance and principle are no where to be found.
LambsBread 02.19.17	"No person should ever be shot if he doesn't actively endanger anyone life." Uh reaching for a gun endangers someone's life... " Reaching for a gun does not warrant/justify death." Spoken like someone who has no intention of ever being a police officer but will call 911 the moment you need help.
Hurricanslash 02.19.17	As someone who thinks that a lot of american laws are pretty bullshit, I oppose that shit. Being a police officer is a risky job. You should expect that when you get into that. Also, tasers are a thing, right? Why kill someone when you can tase him? Doesn't make sense to me. In Germany every single shot an officer takes has to be deeply justified, and cops can loose their jobs if the police thinks that it wasn't. Not saying that that's a better system at all, I think it's wayyy too strict, but since the "normal" german citizen has no access to firearms, there's almost never a reason for a cop to shoot. Most people can be overwhelmed with pepperspray and force. Noone deserves to die.
LambsBread 02.19.17	I don't belong to any movement, I do think trump will be a relatively great president however. I deal with things issue by issue. The right is asinine as well in regards to religion and animal rights. However they are far from the Castro-worshipping nuts on the left.
Deathconscious 02.19.17	"Spoken like someone who has no intention of ever being a police officer but will call 911 the moment you need help." spoken like someone who has no intention of being a plumber but will call one the moment you need help. every time i think you cant get any dumber i read another one of your comments and it proves me wrong.
EliteTaste 02.19.17	bros i copped me a pair of titties and a nice warm beer last night
LambsBread 02.19.17	Uh lol wtf hahahaha what kind of an analogy/point are you trying to makE? LOL The point is an officers life is worth just as much as a criminals. In fact it's worth more because the officer didn't provoke the aggression. Another scathing criticism by ADOLFHITLER. Sorry but changing two words in my comment and sayijgn"your so dumb!" Isn't an argument, it's not even coherent lmfao
EliteTaste 02.19.17	i love that lambsbread's defence for everything is "YoU can't use thata STRAWMAN" yet he happily stereotypes "liberals" and then happily equates them to be representative of the entire "left" like it ain't shit
EliteTaste 02.19.17	like for someone that claims to know a lot about politics, the fact that you can't even categorise "liberals" correctly is a bit embarrassing to say the least
LambsBread 02.19.17	Being a police officer doesn't have to be a risky job and it shouldn't be. Attack an officer and die. I have no sympathy for people attacking officers and I'm glad my country doesn't either so we don't turn into Germany and get to call the police and wait for an hour while we witness a group of migrants raping a woman, only to have the police come with pepper spray and get their ass kicked as well. Comparing US to Germany is off base in tons of ways. Tazers aren't reliable, pepper spray doesn't stop someone from taking your gun. The fact that you're pretending to care when a stranger who tried to kill a cop gets killed is very odd.
Deathconscious 02.19.17	im not even talking about whether reaching for a gun warrants being shot. do you really not know what im getting at? youre fucking hopeless.
LambsBread 02.19.17	I'm characterizing liberals correctly, used ample evidence regarding Obamas approval polls, pundits, news, Trudeau's eulogy etc You're an intellectual fraud and you aren't worth a moment of my time. Have a nice day!
LambsBread 02.19.17	No indont know what you're getting at because your babbling incoherently about plummers and are incapable of forming a useful analogy. I guess you're over my head. Sounds like a good reason to stop talking to me permanently. I'll return the favor.
Deathconscious 02.19.17	plummers hahahaha
EliteTaste 02.19.17	"Being a police officer doesn't have to be a risky job and it shouldn't be." lmao that's like saying murderers and drug dealers won't exist once people stop demonising the cops' questionable decision making in the media being a cop is always going to come with its own risks that's part of the territory "Attack an officer and die." you're a fan of "eye for an eye" and its various isms anyways, so why not just branch this out to "attack and die"?? "I have no sympathy..." this is why you're such a staunch believer in dog-eat-dog anarcho-capitalist systems. sorta reeks of psychopathy, but hey, i won't delve into that. "The fact that you're pretending to care when a stranger who tried to kill a cop gets killed is very odd." i doubt you can tell when people are genuine or pretending with sentiments//emotions. especially considering your irrational, ceaseless hatred for those that don't fit your definition of "libertarian cool"
EliteTaste 02.19.17	"I'm characterizing liberals correctly" not perfectly by any stretch but i'll pass this but that's tangential to what i said my point is that you have NO IDEA where "liberals" fit in the political spectrum because they are not leftist at all leftism is involved with regulation//control of markets, ""seizing the means"", protectionism and the like the "liberals" you speak so down upon are globalists that obsess themselves with "human rights" i.e. equality via social free-for-all the "liberals" are fine with market deregulation, outsourcing and the like they're association with the left is a bit of a media-driven bullshit campaign they're the left of the centre-right basically
LambsBread 02.19.17	Point is we can minimize cops risks by killing people who attack cops and it's a worthy trade. Cops kill attackers because they can't predict if the attacked will only attack them or kill them, and they deserve to assume the worst because they aren't obligated to risk their life for someone who started the aggression. Any other rule is asinine. Expecting cops to try to detain people who very well may be trying to kill them is flippant, unrealistic and morally appalling. Capitalism has nothing to do with self defense police shootings. You're babbling again. Uh yeah something about cool libertarians. High level argument there you should become a lawyer.
LambsBread 02.19.17	Yes I agree they aren't true liberals but they call themselves that and those were someone else's words in this thread.
LambsBread 02.19.17	You're changing the subject because you have no leg to stand on and attempting to drop irrelevant knowledge on me like I don't know what the left right spectrum is that you learned in polisci 101z The meaning of "liberal" is completely irrelevant. We're obviously talking about the American Democratic Party.
Hurricanslash 02.19.17	Wether or not these are actually my stances or not, I just wanted to use this to demonstrate a problem that I have with modern discussions about politics, and i mean on both sides. Political discussions aren't worth anything if the people aren't level-headed. This stinking, reeking feeling of political superiority is the worst thing ever, because it hinders both sides from having a discussion that can evolve their opinions/stances on certain topics. And imma be very blunt in saying that every side of the spectrum does this. Of course they do. Liberals, liberterians, communists, radicals of any side, that's just what they do. The second you go into a discussion thinking that you are right anyways, no matter what the other person says, is the second the discussion turns worthless. If we could all turn down the ad hominems and our own ego, we could work together way better because we would be more open to other opinions. That's why I usually never participate in political discussions on the internet. It's never about considering other opinions, it's always about proving the other person wrong, like it's a playground fight. I got better things to do than do that. Lambs, I really respect you and the passion you have for your stances. I really do. This is not supposed to be an insult to any of you. Really not. I'm just tired. Tired of people being uncooperative by default.
EliteTaste 02.19.17	"Point is we can minimize cops risks by killing people who attack cops and it's a worthy trade." lmao that's fascism right there "Cops kill attackers because they can't predict if the attacked will only attack them or kill them, and they deserve to assume the worst because they aren't obligated to risk their life for someone who started the aggression." there's such a thing as reasonable force if the attacker is unarmed (and not fifty times the size of the cop), the training of the cops should enable them to control him without too much risk of injury. letting them reach for the gun in every instance is going to create a nice "shoot first, ask questions later" culture. and we all know how well brazil is faring these days. "Expecting cops to try to detain people who very well may be trying to kill them is flippant, unrealistic and morally appalling." not really. allowing cops to kill people they could quite easily detain without using such lethal force is what is really morally appalling. "Capitalism has nothing to do with self defense police shootings. You're babbling again." you run away from arguments that you can't respond to it's fucking hilarious this isn't a 6th grade debating workshop, stop crying for the teacher to step in come up with a response or admit you're stumped "Uh yeah something about cool libertarians. High level argument there you should become a lawyer." nice AD HOMINEM that's a breach of MY RULES HOW DARE you use this TERRIBLE form of ARGUMENT I CAN'T BELIEVE anything you've said now that you've done THIS
LambsBread 02.19.17	Yeah I agree hurrican, that's why I said I don't belong to any movement and respect Sam Harris for being the same way
EliteTaste 02.19.17	"Yes I agree they aren't true liberals but they call themselves that and those were someone else's words in this thread." they are true liberals they just fight in the name of morals rather than the more "jewish" aims of the libertarians "We're obviously talking about the American Democratic Party." again, their behaviours and beliefs are more indebted to classical liberalism than any leftist theories. you may not want to see yourself as associated with them (and realistically you aren't, seeing as you're a fascist), but if you're going to fly the flag of libertarianism, you're going to have to cop it. hillary was a shameless globalist she was more of a neoliberal than a leftist of any sort
H61 02.19.17	Sam Harris is a piece of shit, that's why you identify with him
LambsBread 02.19.17	Uh no fascism is not self defense police shootings. Not even going to bother reading the rest of your comment. Please stop talking to me.
LambsBread 02.19.17	Why is Sam Harris a piece of shit? You're just misinformed and have swallowed slander.
EliteTaste 02.19.17	"Uh no fascism is not self defense police shootings." well i didn't even say that perhaps try exercising reading and comprehension actually nvm there's no point trying with you
LambsBread 02.19.17	Yeah you kee saying that yet you keep talking to me. Have a good one
Trundle 02.19.17	there should be a lambs sub forum
Sinternet 02.19.17	wish i had a pair of big ol american titties to soothe my aching depression
SgtShock 02.19.17	Not sure why I tried to engage Lambs on an intellectual level. It's the same story every thread he's in. Step one: Antagonize users with inflammatory strong opinions ripped from Breitbart comment sections. Step two: Either blatantly ignore any counter arguments or cherry pick portions of them out of context and completely miss the point of the post as a whole. Step three: Throw in some ad hominems and declare intellectual superiority/victory. Rinse repeat until everyone realizes that they don't have anywhere near enough sanity/free time to keep up with this exercise in futility. I would compare it to playing chess with someone who just eats your pieces whenever you're about to take one of his. It's entertaining (and honestly remarkable in its own twisted way) but ultimately pointless. How can so much arrogance be contained in a human being I'll never know, but hey, maybe he'll fuck off this site again for a while. Wouldn't that be nice?
Deathconscious 02.19.17	the big titties didnt work lambs, should i try small titties?
botb 02.19.17	Tbh sgt that's every shut in libertarian I've ever met or engaged with's MO. Especially the intellectual superiority part.
botb 02.19.17	Lambsbread owns a shirt that says blue lives matter nonironically
Trundle 02.19.17	black titties white titties red titties dance! i don't give a fuck put your titties in my hand
SgtShock 02.19.17	I think there's people like him in all parties/walks of life. An argument is like a death match, zero-sum game for their ego. It's okay to be wrong, meet someone in the middle, or even just disagree.
Trundle 02.19.17	tbh when i saw this list, i thought it was "why are so many neckbeards liberals " and thought sach was gonna say pretty much everything lambs is. oh well, no harm no foul
SgtShock 02.19.17	http://imgur.com/FcQHzd0 Fucking. Gold.
Sinternet 02.19.17	lol
Deathconscious 02.19.17	is that fucking real?
SgtShock 02.19.17	http://www.toiletovhell.com/give-phil-labonte-250-get-an-honorary-fedora/ Yeah, funnily enough. Article obviously rags on libertarianism so if you're sensitive about that stuff just focus on the lulzy Phil Labonte part.
GuanoBumbershoot 02.20.17	Hey sach...you still haven't told me why you're a #commie. You don't have to write a manifesto or anything, just give me a general taste. Be warned though, if it isn't to standard, I'm gonna sell you out to the Cheka ;)
danielito19 02.20.17	i love that the worst two users on the site had a long ass back n forth
LambsBread 02.20.17	"wish i had a pair of big ol american titties to soothe my aching depression" This joke got played out like 20 uses ago. Try to be wittier
LambsBread 02.20.17	Name a single time I ever used ad hominem In response to you sgtshock. Oh wait you can't. You're just making stuff up because you know you're in over your head and none of your arguments held any water. I responded to all of your claims. You couldn't form a rebuttal. Now you're ironically using ad hominem "oh well it's lambsread" Yawn
Sinternet 02.20.17	Nah im pretty sure its still hilarious and no one likes you sorry
LambsBread 02.20.17	You're right though all these threads go the same. You tap out after two rounds and basically say I'm being unfair. Take your ball and go home lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.20.17	didnt you just quit the site 2 days ago
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.20.17	oh sorry it was a whole month ago nvm
LambsBread 02.20.17	No one on a ultra-crabby Internet forum likes me oh no! I think I'll take real life success and an ability to last 2 minutes in a debate without pouting about nonexistent unfairness and looking for support in my fellow crabs, who I'll start bitching at in about a week over some other trivial nonsense Good ol sputnik lol
LambsBread 02.20.17	I didn't quit I said I'm taking a break from crabs. You guys are cancer tbh and you know it.
LambsBread 02.20.17	"So much obscurantism Do I have a poll for Clinton? No but I have the fact that Hillary won the popular vote after she attacked bills truthful accusers and the fact that no liberal pundit, celebrity or social media star ever criticizes bill. You're just being obtuse. You Arnent against authoritarianism in any sense if it's ok when your guy (Obama) gets in, but not ok when bush did. Can you show me a march over the NSA or the NDAA? No you can't. Can you show me a hit in Obamas approval polls after it came out he was spying on everyone? No you can't. Democratic officials don't order riots, they just make up false narratives like Mike Brown and call trump a fascist/racist with 0 evidence, which morally obligates rioting. You're taking Sam Harris out of context obviously. He was making a valid point about how religious doctrine leads to more violence than even the most appalling crimes from liberals point of view. Have some integrity. And your admittance that they glorified Castro basically discredits all of the rest of your arguments about hysteria/Marxist-brainwashing-ignorance not being mainstream in the Democrat party." This is the comment you called "antogonistic/inflammatory/ad hominem/like someone eating chess pieces" before you took your ball and went home because "you don't have the time" to form an entire SECOND response to me. Lmfao
SteveOffProbation 02.20.17	you're still on this site fucking hell
LambsBread 02.20.17	Can't leave sput alone the lames need me!
LambsBread 02.20.17	"Tbh sgt that's every shut in libertarian I've ever met or engaged with's MO. Especially the intellectual superiority part." Every libertarian you've engaged with is your intellectual superior. Sounds about right.
Sinternet 02.20.17	Did you practice auto-erotic asphyxiation as a child? Somethings gotta explain this level of brain damage
botb 02.20.17	"What is Aleppo"
SgtShock 02.20.17	Rook to E 5 anndddd checkma- Fuck. He ate that one too.
Tyler. 02.20.17	what has lambsbread been saying here cause i doubt i want to read a 300 comment thread tbh
SgtShock 02.20.17	"I don't like liberals and neither should you. Also, libertarians are unfairly caricaturized because people focus on the fringe silly ones instead of the thrust of the movement". Other than that, just the usual inflammatory lambs rhetoric.
Tyler. 02.20.17	politics lmao
climactic 02.20.17	Actual sane libertarianism is where i wish the republican party would be at in 2017 (where it will hopefully move soon, probs wishful thinking though). Basically classical liberalism. Too bad libs have gone off the deep end in recent years with the language policing and instilling PC culture. its very disheartening that there are almost no level-headed, sane people on either side. whoop de doo though libertarianism is a joke now because the farthest fringe part of that movement are p much anarchists. Hilarious coming from a """"#commie"""" though lmao
LambsBread 02.20.17	Sgtshock do you find it pathetic you weren't capable of forming a second reply to me before you devolved into a hissy fit, took your ball home and said I'm being unfair? I mean that's kinda objectively pathetic. You come into the thread acting like you've got something important to say then quit when i respond one time "cuz you don't have the time" and here you are in 2-3 other threads spending about 10x as much time insulting me as it would have take you to respond seriously to my serious comment. But hey you do you. People like you are why I've always been at the top of my class: thanks for making me rich because you're too arrogant to humble yourself.
SgtShock 02.20.17	The only way I could imagine libertarianism could take over republicans is for the latter to ditch the religious/moral elements in their agenda. That stuff is pretty important to them though.
LambsBread 02.20.17	Wait, how did you have time to type out that insult? I thought you were super busy??
SgtShock 02.20.17	Lambs: "You said arguing with me was an exercise in futility because I'm an egoist thats incapable of having an argument in good faith. Why aren't you still arguing with me. That can't be true. It must be because I won. Yeah, I'm better than everyone else." It's incredible, really.
LambsBread 02.20.17	my argument was in good faith, you're just pretending it wasn't because I shit all over every one of your points and you're trapped in a corner "How do you known the marchers liked bill?!?" "Uh because Hillary won the popular vote, the leftist media praised the march and never mentioned bill, as did every single leftist celebrity and millions on social media, and there wasn't a single sign spotted going after bill, and there was never a democratically organized march against bill" "Omg you're eating the chess pieces! This is so unfair!!!! : ( I have no time for this!" spends next hour posting memes and YouTube videos calling libertarians dumb Do some peyote or something and you'll realize this is all just about protecting your ego while projecting that fact onto me.
LambsBread 02.20.17	In b4 sgtshock takes a hit of peyote, admits I'm right and becomes my disciple
SgtShock 02.20.17	I posted memes and YouTube videos? And called libertarians dumb? I'll take you up on that Peyote offer though. All they got in my state is bath salts :(
LambsBread 02.20.17	Don't do bathsalts you'll wind up like sinternet
SgtShock 02.20.17	Hopefully Sinternet's lucky enough not to be a Floridian like me. We're all born here with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
EliteTaste 02.20.17	"Hey sach...you still haven't told me why you're a #commie. You don't have to write a manifesto or anything, just give me a general taste. Be warned though, if it isn't to standard, I'm gonna sell you out to the Cheka ;)" whoops soz doin it rn i'm all over the place atm earned $600 today tho
EliteTaste 02.20.17	a lot of the basis is economic to be quite frank, although in my very fleeting studies of psychology (only taken two psychish courses, but i've done a bit of reading on the side; mainly classics) i've come to appreciate the line of thought that most animus stems from one of the basic emotions (jealousy//envy, fear//sense of being threatened, etc.). following on from this, i quite obviously then find the line of thought that most (not all) social//racial//etc tensions are borne of the more basic forms of inequality (the most obvious being socioeconomic). in that sense i find the idea of universal wages and things like that quite commonsense and useful so far as it could eliminate a lot of the class tension. there is obviously merit to the counterargument that it kills incentive, but again i would argue that counterargument only exists because happiness has been abstracted to a kind of commodified image (i.e. happiness = wealth), and thus moral fulfillment has become somewhat of an alien idea. obviously in the short term the idea that no person is economically worth more than any other will kill incentive, but generationally i feel it would lead to a shift towards jobs acting as a means of moral fulfillment.
SgtShock 02.20.17	Seems legit.
EliteTaste 02.20.17	looking at the arguments against authoritarianism, i must admit there are elements of restriction that may perhaps affect human ability to lead totally fulfilling lives, but i also think it must be viewed in terms of the classical liberal harm principle. where my view of the harm principle differs to the standard is that i think government intervention should prevent not only direct but indirect harm to the citizens (e.g. business regulation in order to prevent exploitation, which is harmful so far as it deprives employees of a better standard of living). so in that sense, i see the harm principle as a form of justifications for authoritarianism, and view the idea of utility maximisation as optimised when every individual is living in a state of equality with the rest (as such a state will largely eliminate the harmful discontent of the poorer world).
SgtShock 02.20.17	That's worth at least three and a half sickle and hammer tattoos.
EliteTaste 02.20.17	in terms of how communism//marxism interacts with religion, i guess things become a bit more muddled, for i am not at all against the idea of a religion (and i do in fact respect and value them as a means of moral//ethical guidance), but i believe the coexistence of multiple religions leads to a kind of fragmentation of society (which, more often than not, is harmful so far as it creates religio-social tensions). but, i think what will happen is that by eliminating religion, this idea of the social norms forming a kind of religion of their own (so far as everyone lives under the same set of moral "rules") comes into play. it is risky so far as it may lead to a kind of unyielding subservience to the state, but that being said, it will lead to social stability that may be beneficial (but i'm not totally sold on that idea).
Cygnatti 02.20.17	facism is the only way now rly
EliteTaste 02.20.17	in terms of the argument that "universal wages" decrease the standard of living, i believe that when the wage is universal, it becomes a variable dependent on population (i.e. large population correlates to downward pressure on the universal wage//living standards and vice versa), and as such, over time the economy will eventually reach a kind of equilibrium population, so far as everyone can comfortably live at this given population without there being substantial pressures that may lead to alterations in birth rate (and hence the universal wage//living standard via the aforementioned correlation).
EliteTaste 02.20.17	some may argue that it devalues intelligence, but in my opinion, such abstracts are of no intrinsic value to the people. take for example the value of the inventor. sure, the machination of certain processes will increase efficiency, but at the same time it will structurally displace those peoples that could otherwise perform the task. so, overall, it is beneficial for the producer, but for the employees//workers it is negative, and realistically, when you look at the net gains and losses, it balances out as either 0 gain or a loss to society as a whole (when the structural unemployed begin to become disenfranchised). as such, i don't think anything should be valued as such, unless it brings benefit to the whole of society in such a way that it doesn't benefit only specific parties whilst disadvantaging the rest. you may perhaps lose innovation, but at what cost?
EliteTaste 02.20.17	ummm, running out of steam here, but hit me with some other common criticisms and i'll elucidate
hal1ax 02.20.17	@sach when u say animus are u referring to Jungian animus? or just animosity//enmity? your reasoning definitely seems cogent. didn't marx say something like human nature would change along with a communist society? eventually abolishing perverse financial incentives; so the supplanting incentives would become personal pride//fulfillment of the self? maybe people would be forced into adopting more altruistic motives as well?
EliteTaste 02.20.17	"when u say animus are u referring to Jungian animus? or just animosity//enmity?" i would be referring to jungian animus if i hadn't read the undiscovered self tbh "didn't marx say something like human nature would change along with a communist society?" not sure if he did, but many since have "eventually abolishing perverse financial incentives; so the supplanting incentives would become personal pride//fulfillment of the self? maybe people would be forced into adopting more altruistic motives as well?" basically what i'm getting at
hal1ax 02.20.17	werd up
EliteTaste 02.20.17	the self-superiority//lack of self-check and self-correction in the undiscovered self almost made me vomit
UndineParty 02.20.17	"in that sense i find the idea of universal wages and things like that quite commonsense and useful so far as it could eliminate a lot of the class tension. there is obviously merit to the counterargument that it kills incentive, but again i would argue that counterargument only exists because happiness has been abstracted to a kind of commodified image (i.e. happiness = wealth), and thus moral fulfillment has become somewhat of an alien idea. obviously in the short term the idea that no person is economically worth more than any other will kill incentive, but generationally i feel it would lead to a shift towards jobs acting as a means of moral fulfillment." Hm, I've had similar thoughts
Trundle 02.20.17	just so you guys know, when countries become developed to a certain point their population growth falls off and eventually recedes. in many developed countries, the population growth comes solely from immigrants, not that that's a bad thing. Canada for instance, takes in thousands of immigrants and refugees, and the only successful terror attack in canada since 9/11 was by a radical right winger who killed like 7 people at a mosque recently
hal1ax 02.20.17	ya Jung is kinda wacky. he had some interesting theories on evolutionary psychology, like back before anyone else did, but they've since become sorta outmoded. he developed some pretty revolutionary psychoanalytic techniques as well, but they're all kinda bitten off of freud lol. John Bowlby // Melanie Klein have some intriguing works
EliteTaste 02.20.17	compare birth rates in developed and developing countries tbh
EliteTaste 02.20.17	haven't heard of bowlcut but i'll check. klein is pretty interesting tho
SgtShock 02.20.17	Yeah a lot of folks miss that Marx argued that individuals in a capitalist society could never exist in a communist one and it would have to be a gradual, generational thing. That's why his camp argues that citing selfish pursuits as some sort of natural human state is a reification of capitalist society. My major beef with Marx is basically just what all of the neomarxists ended up criticizing. His dichotomous model of power isn't nuanced enough. Too much economy, not enough gender, race, etc. World Systems Theory is a notable upgrade on his theory as well because it adds some scale and makes his model work on a global level. Also, I gotta go with Baudrillard's critique that Marx's approach is unable to conquer capitalism because it plays by its same imaginary rules concerning physical manifestations of supply and demand. And finally, I'm a Debbie-downer so I don't really don't buy into the whole "progressive track to human salvation" angle with a happy ending.
Trundle 02.20.17	"compare birth rates in developed and developing countries tbh" lol what do you mean by this? We already know that developing countries have a higher birth rate. I was merely pointing out that, "your" theory on birth rates, is already a fact
hal1ax 02.20.17	lol. ya Bowlby postulated Attachment theory // separation anxiety. yuh might dig
EliteTaste 02.20.17	when i'm separated from myself i feel anxious
botb 02.20.17	"Great joke sinternet. You took a banal "Haha your dumb/retarded" internet joke and masterfully imagined one of a billion random Ways in which one could become retarded. Comedy is in your future." "Im like a tiger fighting against a group of retarded kittens" i want to die
hal1ax 02.20.17	self-proclaimed "Socrates of sputnik"
Spec 02.20.17	a hot girl can get thousands of likes on a facebook pic, how many can our boys in blue get??
Deathconscious 02.21.17	mashes the fucking like button while masturbating furiously
Egarran 02.21.17	Basic income is a freight train coming our way, baby. No time for silly 'unfair and lazy' arguments, prepare your society and possibly your anus.
jagride 02.22.17	ubi as implemented by some shitty social dem or right wing govt will just set poor people back further when they eliminate existing payments to fund it
Egarran 02.22.17	I see you choose to prepare your anus.
jagride 02.22.17	it's an interesting idea but a lot of the leftists I've talked to about it are on some utopian tip
Madbutcher3 02.22.17	Depends on tax increases basically, although what income groups would be affected by that is the real question
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 02.25.17	Pssssshh... nigga... http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/985/image.png
EliteTaste 02.25.17	yeh bih
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 02.25.17	Young blood boutta catch dese hands.
EliteTaste 03.03.17	don't steal my rapper name!
talktothehead 03.03.17	"call me the white hikikomori" no
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