Sevengill: Just saw Until The Light Takes Us

Sevengill 08.09.16	That last line from Varg though "How do you like YOUR prison?" that's some heavy shit.
budgie 08.09.16	still my favorite movie.
ScuroFantasma 08.09.16	Oooh, love this doco, mostly for Fenriz but it's just really interesting all 'round. There's a few other bm vids worth watching too.
budgie 08.09.16	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv-FAk3Z-kg
Sevengill 08.09.16	Fenriz is fuckin great. Dude's so through with everything but he's hilarious in his deadpan delivery of the craziest shit. And then Varg's just sitting there in maximum security prison, waxing poetic like some Harvard philosophy professor. It's scary because he's clearly the smartest person involved in the movie but he's also a murderous sociopath.
ScuroFantasma 08.09.16	Yeah Varg is an intersting character for sure. But yeah Fenriz is the bomb, dude has a great sense of humour.
MistaCrave 08.09.16	"He found Dead Dead, in the bed" best thing Varg has ever said
Sevengill 08.09.16	http://i66.tinypic.com/1z2euzt.png
ScuroFantasma 08.09.16	"So this is like a better Suicide Squad?" Too soon...
Sevengill 08.09.16	http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/992/401/e37.png
budgie 08.09.16	varg and fenriz are the ultimate "which celebrity would you have a coffee with" choices
Sevengill 08.09.16	Garm though
ScuroFantasma 08.09.16	Abbath too
budgie 08.09.16	yeah garm is at #3 i guess. ulver 4ever
Sevengill 08.09.16	are we having coffee in Helvete "How would you like your coffee?" "Ic...uh...black, please."
ScuroFantasma 08.09.16	How would you like your cornflakes though
Sevengill 08.09.16	literally just burst out laughing I can already tell this movie is gonna get better with age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbo0jFUzX6k
Sevengill 08.09.16	like Fantoft
budgie 08.09.16	https://img.ifcdn.com/images/797f92551d144d96bf38e0b731314a664579994293fb7205406701baebae4523_1.jpg
ScuroFantasma 08.09.16	lol
InFlamesWeThrash666 08.09.16	Great movie/documentary indeed.
SitruK6 08.09.16	Watch the deleted scenes
SitruK6 08.09.16	Also great doc imo
Mystletainn 08.09.16	I always liked the mayhem doc the most
ScuroFantasma 08.09.16	Which Mayhem doc? there's so many
Mystletainn 08.09.16	pure fucking mayhem
ScuroFantasma 08.09.16	Ah yeah, that's a good one, especially because you get to hear from the other members. Check out Once Upon a Time in Norway for some more Mayhem, they cover some lesser known, interesting details.
TheSpirit 08.09.16	It's kind of boring if you know the history of black metal already, but it's still okay.
Spacesh1p 08.09.16	"It's a pretty cool film, if somewhat short on actual material." This for sure.
Sevengill 08.09.16	I love how they described Euronymous' invention of the black metal riff...the constant stream of opposing notes that sounds otherworldly.
Nazzadan 08.09.16	One of the things that really stuck to me from the couple times I've watched this is how doofy the other guy in Immortal looked who was sitting with Abbath. What a goon.
budgie 08.09.16	oh come on he was just sippin a beer in sweet cvlt shades
Sevengill 08.09.16	I think most anyone would look doofy sitting next to Abbath.
ScuroFantasma 08.10.16	Abbath brings out the doof in all of us
ScuroFantasma 08.19.16	Ordered the dvd m/ can't wait to see the bonus stuff
budgie 08.19.16	can i come over and watch it with ya
swallowtales 08.19.16	i watched it at 5am one night, was pretty sick imo
ScuroFantasma 08.19.16	Hell yeah Budgie, bring the popcorn
Sevengill 08.19.16	can I come I have maltesers
ScuroFantasma 08.19.16	It's on, Sputnik black metal gathering at mine
ScuroFantasma 08.19.16	BYOBM
budgie 08.19.16	i cant wait to fanboy it up with you guys, fenriz is so dreeamy
Sevengill 08.19.16	can we conjure him with a ouija board
Flugmorph 08.19.16	fenriz is the man, man
Itwasthatwas 08.19.16	Fenriz is the interesting part of this doc for sure. For the most part though, there's not a lot of new information. The stuff with the art gallery and frost is cringeworthy. If you're a huge fan of the second wave, then it's worth one watch, but maybe 20% of it is good. The best piece of media about this time period is the Metalion/Slayer Mag book that came out a few years ago.
Sevengill 08.19.16	Fenriz is the dream
Flugmorph 08.19.16	that book is hella expensive tho at least in my country
Sevengill 08.19.16	if you want the best you gotta pay up
Nazzadan 08.19.16	Today is a slow day at work, I might watch it again and skip over all the art gallery stuff.
Sevengill 08.19.16	most of it's on YouTube I think
ZippaThaRippa 08.19.16	Read Lords of Chaos.
Sevengill 08.19.16	travel to Norway, burn a church, and record an album on a headset for yourself
budgie 08.19.16	this film is all about the atmosphere, i see it more as an art film than a documentary, and i'm pretty sure that was the intention of the director. it's all fenriz walking solemnly through a snowed-in forest or downtown area and ulver or mum's ambient tunes playing, then suddenly counterpointed with early mayhem recordings and pictures of spikes and corpsepaint definitely the ambient sections are what give the film its magic
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	^agreed with this
Sevengill 08.20.16	^ [3] I watched it with a friend and remember saying that the film actually feels like black metal -- intentionally underproduced so that the aura is as important as the content. The peaks and lulls and how they're sequenced, the interplay between characters and environment. Which, obviously, movie critics aren't likely to consider unless they're looking for an arthouse film rather than a straight-up documentary.
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	That's a realy cool comparison. To me the combination of the soundtrack, the extended train scene/walking scenes/museum scene and especially that 'artistic' suicide thingies inclusion - you can tell its not just an ordinary documentary. They don't just sit everyone down and talk to them or have a narrator (or even an interviewers presence), they get Gylve out and about so they can observe, cut in handheld footage of churches burning and home videos etc. It's all really well done. I especially like the way they punctuate Varg's points with cuts to his trial and the arson. You're reminded that this well-spoken, calm guy is a violent criminal, and that deadpan, throwaway delivery of 'so I finished him [Euro] off' is so...damn. Especially when you read up about how exactly it was that he 'finished him off'. Director and editors should be praised for how well put together this is.
Sevengill 08.20.16	And, after all that, "How do you like YOUR prison?" is the best ending line ever.
Spec 08.20.16	It's good eh? Gotta check.
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	So many filler shots. So much junk.
Sevengill 08.20.16	you just don't get it man
someguest 08.20.16	The best part is Harmony Korine tap dancing in corpse paint.
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	No man, the film direction is just poor. But they use the good songs from Panzerfaust.
Sevengill 08.20.16	but Fenriz ;~; really though I wish they had like 100 times more Garm
budgie 08.20.16	tbf i don't love the frost parts but luckily that's all at the end also yes, needs more garm
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	Needs Nocturno
someguest 08.20.16	*Nocturno Culto can't leave out the best part man
someguest 08.20.16	frost seems like a drama queen
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	I can do what I want
someguest 08.20.16	Culto's the one that's a teacher, right?
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	Yeah. Can you even imagine?
budgie 08.20.16	yes
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	When I was in 3rd grade, my teacher fundamentally changed my outlook on art and the creative process. The things she taught me are a core part of who I am. I can only imagine if my teacher was fucking Nocturno Culto
someguest 08.20.16	Maybe K-12 wouldn't have sucked balls if I had a few teachers with a personality.
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	lmao Fenriz just shit all over that exhibit
someguest 08.20.16	I need a fuckin' glass of water.
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	you just don't get it man(s)[2] Also agreed that ending is cool
someguest 08.20.16	Satan!
Sevengill 08.20.16	its all about the crispy cornflakes
someguest 08.20.16	I wonder if he'd eat a bowl as he gazed upon his blaze in the northern sky?
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	Obligatory best Fenriz interview ever: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh2-MeMuDuI
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	Skip to 7:45 to have him forever be your hero
Sevengill 08.20.16	https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a4/0c/1e/a40c1ee808f5916dd153e789849eaa9a.jpg
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	Thought that was going to be the weed one
Sevengill 08.20.16	not from me
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	He already is my hero
Sevengill 08.20.16	9:12 of that video just made my night
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	God, frost is so gay. Who gives a fuck about Satyricon?
BallsToTheWall 08.20.16	Some of their 90's shit is prime so me.
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	This interview is fucking hysterical
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	ROOOCK AND ROOOLLL GASS STATIONNN ERRRRRFFHFHFHFFHF
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	Haha oh god
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	"How much primitive can you get?"
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	Hey DUDE FILL IT UP MAN EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYAAAA
BallsToTheWall 08.20.16	Haven't seen this and honestly I don't care if I do.
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	It wasn't really very good. The parts with Varg and Fenriz talking were interesting at times but the rest was just boring filler shots and nonsense. And besides, it's not like you don't know the story already.
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	You should watch the interview that Scuro posted though. That was the shit.
BallsToTheWall 08.20.16	Very true and will do.
budgie 08.20.16	anything with fenriz is awesome the one where he's just walking around in the snow talking about drum sounds is still some of the best cinema i've ever seen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aRu_3WvE6c he's the embodiment of black metal, he's so black metal he doesn't even play black metal anymore have you guys listened to the fenriz/culto commentaries of their bm albums?
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	Love those
zaruyache 08.20.16	[crossing the street]: Cutting straight without looking, asking for a spanking. I just can't. This is the most "indie" black metal related thing I've ever seen and it's great.
ZippaThaRippa 08.20.16	That's exactly it Budgie. He's the essence of "I'm going to do what I want." If he went on tour, he would be swimming in money. If he made a black metal throwback album, he would be swimming in money. But he doesn't want to tour. And he doesn't want to make that music anymore. So he and Ted make heavy metal albums and not everyone cares for them and he just doesn't give a fuck. Cuz he doesn't make music for us. He's an inspiration.
budgie 08.20.16	it's been a long time since i've seen that interview he has with the german guy with the chipmunk laugh, but i always remember when he was talking about not touring; darkthrone is his life's work, why would he cheap out and invalidate it all? that sort of artistic integrity is legendary and that's exactly why fenriz is a living legend
budgie 08.20.16	gives me chills
Itwasthatwas 08.20.16	Don't read Lords of chaos. It's a bunch of fictional crap. If you're really interested in this time period and these bands read the slayer mag diaries.
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	Anyone who enjoyed that song in the interview I encourage you to check out the whole album, Adrenalin O.D. rule hard, they've got this punk style but a lot of the riffs sound like a precursor to what the second wave bm dudes were doing.
Sevengill 08.20.16	sounded like redneck venom in the gas station song xD
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	Hahaha
Archelirion 08.20.16	Watching that 'Fenriz on drum sounds' vid, and I am seriously jelly of Fenriz's record collection (and the shelving). He makes some good points, too. Seems like a right boss.
Alastor 08.20.16	"And, after all that, "How do you like YOUR prison?" is the best ending line ever." This would be a very Varg thing to say, but he actually says "How do you like THE prison". Either that, or I watched a different film. For other BM documentaries make sure to watch 'Satan Rides The Media'. Quite similar, but more informative and less artistic. Other worthy films are 'A Dying God' (about Celtic Frost) and 'One Man Metal' (Xasthur, Leviathan and Striborg). 'Roadkill Extravaganza' (Satyricon) is somewhat entertaining too, but has no merit beyond that. There are a lot more, but most of them are either boring (Once upon a time in Norway) or sensationalistic (TNBM).
ScuroFantasma 08.20.16	I'll check the Satan and Dying God ones, haven't seen those yet. I like Once Upon a Time In Norway, although it's definitey not as good as some of the others, but it's got more details for those who know everything else already. One Man Metal is pretty cool, some of the dudes involved are pretty weird characters, but it's a really cool doc agreed.
Sevengill 08.20.16	fuck does he really say THE prison? that's well actually it's no less unsettling
budgie 08.20.16	i liked your version better
Egarran 08.20.16	"Don't read Lords of chaos. It's a bunch of fictional crap" This is news to me. Got a link or something? Great thread btw.
Alastor 08.20.16	Here's Varg's review of Lords of Chaos, if you're interested: http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/lords_of_chaos_review.shtml
Negator 08.20.16	5 years late but gratz
ScuroFantasma 08.21.16	It is 'the' but... "actually it's no less unsettling" Yeah. Especially since it comes after that part about him talking about finding truth etc and it's starting to make sense and then you're immediately reminded again that, hey, this guy is in prison for murder.
BallsToTheWall 08.21.16	All I want is a King Diamond documentary.
dbizzles 08.21.16	Shit, I didn't know this existed.
ScuroFantasma 08.21.16	"Here's Varg's review of Lords of Chaos, if you're interested: http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/lords_of_chaos_review.shtml" Awesome link man, thanks for posting it. Just read it all, but the best part was definitely the final section after the book 'review' where Varg corrects the history.
Egarran 08.21.16	Yeah, thanks a lot Alastor. Now my problem is, how much is Varg being revisionist? Oh and "Again I can point at their odd choice of sources; why do they give a Jew the opportunity to air his thoughts on this subject [Extra Terrestrial origin of life] to begin with?" Stuff like that.
Wolfhorde 08.21.16	Documentary has a lot of boring and cringey parts as other people have noted. Fenriz is cool yea. Also, Varg is probably not the most intelligent of the bunch, lol. If he was that intelligent he probably wouldn't run into bullshit charges like he has in the past.
Sevengill 08.21.16	all I know is Varg's smarter than me so
someguest 08.21.16	He was just trying to smuggle guns across national borders, Wolf. What's the big deal? lmao
ScuroFantasma 08.22.16	He's a damn good musician, all things considered, probably the most talented of the scene at the time.
ZippaThaRippa 08.22.16	Varg isn't very smart at all. He's clever, charismatic and a very eloquent speaker. He is well read and educated. But he lacks common sense.
Futures 08.22.16	all key marks of a sociopath which i think he is
ZippaThaRippa 08.22.16	Nah, he has a family he loves, close friends and admirers.
Sevengill 08.22.16	I don't think there's any question that he's a sociopath
ScuroFantasma 08.22.16	I don't think he's a sociopath, but it seems like he can suspend empathy.
ZippaThaRippa 08.22.16	...Like everyone else on the planet?
Futures 08.22.16	sociopaths have families ever read about serial killers?
ScuroFantasma 08.22.16	Is suspending empathy a common ability? Idk it just seems like he can care and be passionate about a lot of things/people, and then turn around and have zero emotion when talking about certain races/religions and killing Øystein.
ScuroFantasma 08.22.16	Come to think of it that does sound like a lot people. Okay not a sociopath, just an asshole I guess :/
ZippaThaRippa 08.22.16	Ding ding
Sevengill 08.22.16	you touch my tralala
Alastor 08.22.16	"Now my problem is, how much is Varg being revisionist?" That's true. But even if only half of his criticism of Lords Of Chaos is valid, it still makes the authors look like idiots. For example their assumption that the inner circle was influenced by LaVey; one just needs to look at the Aske-EP, to know Varg and Euronymous despised the man. They clearly didn't do their research properly.
ScuroFantasma 08.22.16	Good to get a Thulean Perspective though ;)
ScuroFantasma 08.23.16	DVD came! 4 hours of bonus material apparently, I'm stoked. Guys bring your sleeping bags and snacks.
ZippaThaRippa 08.23.16	Probably like 4 hours of Varg and Fenriz walking to places while soft electronic music plays in the background. And probably about 4 seconds of hellhammer saying something unapologetically racist or homophobic.
ScuroFantasma 08.23.16	Haha, hope so
ScuroFantasma 08.23.16	"36 minute Black Metal short film of deleted scenes, Alternate ending, Outtakes, The Cutting Room with musicians not in the film including: Enslaved, Ted "Nocturno Cutlo" Skjellum from Darkthrone, and Jørn "Necrobutcher" from Mayhem, plus more with Ulver, Immortal, Jan Axel "Hellhammer" Blomberg, Gylve" Fenriz" Nagell and Kjetil "Frost" Haraldstad, 46 more minutes of Varg Vikernes and a 45 minute class on the history of black metal with Fenriz. Extra racism, walking and soft electronic music not included." No such luck I'm afraid
ScuroFantasma 08.24.16	When Fenriz calls Ritual Testament's "cool album" :/
ZippaThaRippa 08.24.16	ROCK N ROLL GAS STATION
ScuroFantasma 08.24.16	BANG YOUR HEAD