Conmaniac: Unable to 1/1.5 Albums?

Conmaniac 05.27.16	I wonder what other albums this happens for tbh.
wtferrothorn 05.27.16	All albums with a rating 4.4 and over I think
Conmaniac 05.27.16	Really? woah lemme try
Trundle 05.27.16	can't 1.5 to pimp a butterfly, tried to last night and got the same thing lol. pretty fuckin stupid if you ask me
CalculatingInfinity 05.27.16	Reason why this system is a good thing: RYM
Sowing 05.27.16	I put this rule in place myself to ensure that Vektor wins AOTY You discovered me
Conmaniac 05.27.16	Wow damn this is incredibly stupid....
Trundle 05.27.16	"all albums with a 4.4 rating" that's weird, cause if you look at other 4.4 plus albums, there are 1.5 votes
Nazzadan 05.27.16	When an album gets above a 4.3 with over 100 ratings, I believe it can't be rated below a 2 until it drops below a 4.3. It's a mixed bag, it keeps people from rating an album the way they actually want to, but at a certain point it's like "fuck you I don't care how badly you disliked Painkiller, it's not a 1"
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yeah ok nah that's really dumb no wonder this rating system is much higher than RYM's.
wtferrothorn 05.27.16	"that's weird, cause if you look at other 4.4 plus albums, there are 1.5 votes" You can assign these albums a 1-1.5 rating if it is accompanied by a review.
Valkyrion 05.27.16	most of those albums don't deserve bottom scores anyway
DinosaurJones 05.27.16	Yep, highly rated albums can't be given a 1 or 1.5 Stuff like GY!BE, Illmatic... bascially the highest rated stuff on the site.
XingKing 05.27.16	It happens with every album that has a super high average and it might be annoying but it honestly makes sense. Even if you hate metal or don't enjoy Terminal Redux, there is absolutely no way you could give it a sincere 1 or 1.5
Conmaniac 05.27.16	says who? fans of the albums?
Sinternet 05.27.16	stops troll voting, not the best system but does a decent job
Conmaniac 05.27.16	the more I go on sputnik the more I realize how shit this site is hahah. No 2016 chart in May, site constantly crashes/stays down for a day, can't have certain opinions on "classic" albums...ect
anat 05.27.16	If an album has a sub 2 avg from 100+ votes should it be restricted from receiving 4.5s and 5s?
Conmaniac 05.27.16	what stops troll voting for albums everyone jerks off to though?
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yeah also great point @anatelier
Valkyrion 05.27.16	it's not a big deal really drop a 2.0
Tunaboy45 05.27.16	stops cunts from giving Pinkerton a 1.5 thanks dev and jom xx
wwf 05.27.16	It prevents contrarians
NeroCorleone80 05.27.16	"that's weird, cause if you look at other 4.4 plus albums, there are 1.5 votes" Those ratings were probably in place before the album hit 4.4
Atari 05.27.16	"No 2016 chart in May" http://www.sputnikmusic.com/best/albums/2016/ didn't realize this until Sowing pointed it out, but if you follow this link, you can get charts for 2016 for specific genres
Valkyrion 05.27.16	>If an album has a sub 2 avg from 100+ votes should it be restricted from receiving 4.5s and 5s? actually a good idea, site statistics are probably more important than your freedom of being a cunt on a website anyway
Trundle 05.27.16	"it prevents contrarians" all sput is is a bunch of contrarians, but if you don't like albums they do, well too bad ur prolly just trollin right
macman76 05.27.16	I have opinions
Conmaniac 05.27.16	"stops cunts from giving Pinkerton a 1.5" this comment basically sums up the circlejerky nature of this site that everyone always complains about and yet there's a rule in place that adds to this culture lol
Tunaboy45 05.27.16	this comment basically sums up the circlejerky nature of this site that everyone always complains about and yet there's a rule in place that adds to this culture lol [2] wouldn't have it any other way baby
AlexKzillion 05.27.16	If an album has a sub 2 avg from 100+ votes should it be restricted from receiving 4.5s and 5s? Dude how are all the One Directioners gonna 5 all the One Direction albums and never come back to the site then?
anat 05.27.16	So at what point does general consensus become objectivity? IMO just do away with the vote restrictions and let some nerd like macman work out the troof behind the GOAT albums like it even bleedin matters
AdamMontanari 05.27.16	Yikes, really? This blows. Certainly has knocked this site down a few notches IMO.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	because they are one direction fans and genuinely like one direction? people are allowed to have opinions for a reason lol...
Tunaboy45 05.27.16	@Adam yeah man this is a serious site for serious discussion run by serious people and it certainly damages its credibility
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yeah @Adam I agree.
macman76 05.27.16	"IMO just do away with the vote restrictions and let some nerd like macman work out the troof behind the GOAT albums like it even bleedin matters" My opinion is either design a sophisticated rating system that rewards users and detects and hinders troll rating... or like what you like
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yeah be free to like what you like and hate what you hate even if the general consensus thinks you're wrong lol. like this isn't that hard of a concept to get people. there's always a minority
anat 05.27.16	"My opinion is either design a sophisticated rating system that rewards users and detects and hinders troll rating... or like what you like" Agreed, but option 1 is never going to happen
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yeah because this site can't even figure out how to keep itself working let alone create a system to detect troll accounts lol.
macman76 05.27.16	"Agreed, but option 1 is never going to happen" My next list says otherwise, lol
Sinternet 05.27.16	perhaps a system that bans everyone who 1s an album
Conmaniac 05.27.16	eh idk. I feel like if you're gonna have a rating system you should have all votes count the same
Conmaniac 05.27.16	agreed.
RogueNine 05.27.16	And a lot of times, the 4.4+ albums have such a high number of ratings, are the 1s and 1.5s even going to hurt it? I do think the ratings on RYM run too low though.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yeah I getcha Rogue. if an album is honestly "that amazing" the ratings should naturally reflect that despite the troll ratings. I think RYM seems too low because I'm too used to Sput's rating system by now
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	"can't have certain opinions on "classic" albums...ect" Not exactly, you can review it and give it that score. I think it's fair. I agree with the notion that if you don't like metal and you listen to a widely regarded metal album and hate it, you don't really have an informed opinion on the album. This is not limited to metal specifically, but goes with the original post. The fact that this bothers you I can't help you with but I find that far more acceptable than loads of disingenuous or troll ratings clogging up the system. You've already yourself commented on the site's maintenance, why make more maintenance work by having to police harder for troll accounts? So what if this is inflated compared to RYM, nothing can get over a 4 there. Is that any better than classics approaching, you know, a classic rating? As I said, dissent with a review so you're forced to provide a reason for your rating.
Sevengill 05.27.16	It's dumb but not as dumb as people who give universally appreciated albums rock-bottom ratings without being able to give a good reason.
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	[2] Sevengill knows.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	I'm not suggestion a system that funnels out trolls, I'm only saying that would be the ideal. I'm purely suggesting to get rid of this. forcing people to write an entire review just because they disagree with the majority of people is kind of ridiculous you have to realize that...especially for people who don't really review albums. do I have to justify my rating every time I rate something? that's basically what you're suggesting. I honestly doubt troll accounts affect the rating that much for an album and if they do and actually cause an issue then maybe that's a hint to figure out a solution addressing the troll accounts themselves, not a solution that inhibits regular accounts from expressing their opinions. I do agree with your metal point a bit but I didn't listen to TR and I had no intention of keeping that rating I was just curious.
SitruK6 05.27.16	no system is ever going to make every one happy so just go with the flow
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Last part first, yeah, I get that it was an experiment, wasn't being critical of you specifically. I understand the criticism of the system but I would stand by it. If you really think Illmatic (random example) is a 1 you should probably have to justify it. But that's why you can still give it a 2 if you don't want to review it, which for albums with the kind of rep we are talking about, is a pretty strong statement as is.
jtswope 05.27.16	"It's dumb but not as dumb as people who give universally appreciated albums rock-bottom ratings without being able to give a good reason." But should they really need to though? A rating is just an opinion, not some objective truth. It's possible to be informed on a genre and genuinely dislike something that everyone else loves.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yeah sure but I'm just expressing my extreme distaste for the current system. I realize the mods don't give a shit and are not gonna do shit. but what's new
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	I think you should have a reason for any rating so I don't see a problem with that.
SitruK6 05.27.16	tbh i don't you should be forced into making a whole review about it. making a soundoff with just a few of the things that really bother you about an album should be enough imo
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	I mean it doesn't really break the site like the servers which are made from Bubb's salvaged copper pipes and chewing gum so I'd prefer we focus on that first anyway. In any rating system, as long as you are aware of the parameters under which it functions, you can't really claim bias. It's just one way of looking at it. Edit: well you can claim it is biased, but you are aware of it so can evaluate the outcome as such, is what I meant.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yeah but that's not possible. and spaceship you're prob in the minority in that and if you truly believe that then why haven't you done a review for every album you've rated?
SitruK6 05.27.16	@Conmaniac i don't think that was his point...
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	No but I didn't say review, I said reason. I would say I have a reason for all my ratings, yeah.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	as long as you are aware of the bias you can't claim bias yeah that makes sense
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	I was being pedantic regarding Sitru's point above.
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Read my edit, I clarified.
Sevengill 05.27.16	"making a soundoff with just a few of the things that really bother you about an album should be enough imo" yeah that's fair
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Yeah perhaps soundoff should be the minimum bar instead of a review. I just think you should have to express something besides a number.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yep agreed with seven and lpftw
Keyblade 05.27.16	just hit it with a 2 and keep it moving
Conmaniac 05.27.16	that's a fair compromise tbh but it still doesn't address the issuer anatelier pointed out. like for example what if I wanted to 5 Kid Cudi's Speedin Bullet 2 Heaven? I can do so without a sound off or review
Conmaniac 05.27.16	key I will in the future I'm just pointing out how dumb I think it is
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	I think it's easier to make a case for personally enjoying something that everyone hates than it is for personally hating something that everyone enjoys, but I see the inconsistency, of course.
SitruK6 05.27.16	@Conmaniac take my last comment "making a soundoff with just a few of the things that really bother you about an album should be enough imo" that should be for both sides imo.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yep so if we are going to have to justify extremely different opinions it should go both ways is my point.
FlakMT 05.27.16	that's so pathetic. I pointed that out 5 years ago and still do it on occasion. you protect the high rated albums? really? where is the balance? you actually make high ratings less valuable because nobody knows how many negative ratings were blocked. and it made me try out some 4,4-4,6s and then I get disappointed. at the same time other albums dont get a chance from me because they get overshadowed and are harder to find. that's another side effect. if you'd take away the 1s/1.5s of some other albums they'd be just as high. some little pathetic elitist did that once because he probably shit his pants thinking about his favorite album getting ripped and then it stayed like that for years
Conmaniac 05.27.16	but again ideally I'd rather have it so that you don't have to justify your opinion in when you're in the minority but for compromise sake I agree with having it both ways
Conmaniac 05.27.16	lol yeah great points @Flak
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Con, that's a fine opinion, but I would probably disagree. Flak, chill my man, it's a music website. Like I said, you're aware of how the system works, use that knowledge to personally evaluate the ratings you look at with a grain of salt.
SitruK6 05.27.16	i was about to write exactly what Spacesh1p wrote.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	shh don't fight the system man. just go with the flow. when the man says this is the best Thrash album of the decade you listen to the man
SitruK6 05.27.16	but tbh i really don't care if it's gonna change or not.
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	If you want to fight the system, go do something more important than this to be honest, lol. If you look for reasons to be pissed off, you'll find an infinite number, but that's a conversation for another "list."
AlexKzillion 05.27.16	"because they are one direction fans and genuinely like one direction? people are allowed to have opinions for a reason lol..." My comment was complete sarcasm and I completely agree with what you are saying Con, but how are you gonna say that and then agree with "If an album has a sub 2 avg from 100+ votes should it be restricted from receiving 4.5s and 5s?"
Conmaniac 05.27.16	it won't. I didn't make this list expecting change I made it to point out what I saw as a flaw and get a chance to angrily rant about it. so mission accomplished
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Mission accomplished, indeed.
macman76 05.27.16	@flak collaborative filtering or model based recommendation that personalizes to your ratings addresses you're first problem. I did a list on this.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	mralexk I was agreeing with that point if this is the system chosen then why isn't that allowed? it just adds to my overall point that this is a stupid thing I agree with you man
NLD 05.27.16	I had my ratings wiped on my last account after I 2'd blackwater park and 5'd tha carter, neither of which were troll ratings but my actual opinions. It's kind of annoying how mods just assume unpopular opinions on certain albums are fake
parksungjoon 05.27.16	4.5 or not, it kind of is the best thrash album of the decade
Conmaniac 05.27.16	ah great more things to get mad about.
Sinternet 05.27.16	what kind of loser cares about sput averages anyway
Conmaniac 05.27.16	obviously the mods lol
Keyblade 05.27.16	I can def see the reasoning tho. it might not be that bad now, but back in the day ppl were hella contrarian. any album that gets a bit of hype quickly was hit with a wave of counterhype. ppl legit used to create alts just to lower the rating of an album. it's at least a safeguard from that, and 2 rating increments is not a huge price to pay
Conmaniac 05.27.16	I can see it being an okay idea awhile ago but this site has grown enough so that there's no reason for it anymore
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Lol by what standard have we grown enough? As arbitrary as a 1 for ______ classic album.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	by the standard that there's more people/accounts so that troll/Alts have much less of an effect on album ratings
Keyblade 05.27.16	i wonder if we grew or if the rating cap did its job
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Total accounts does not equal active accounts. I have no baseline to confirm or deny your point but neither do you.
Ovrot 05.27.16	why do people rate albums they dislike
Dinosaur 05.27.16	let's just 2.5 avg for everything ever made.
Trundle 05.27.16	fucking sput nazis
anat 05.27.16	Why do we do anything on this dumb rock sphere
FlakMT 05.27.16	"most of those albums don't deserve bottom scores anyway" "it might be annoying but it honestly makes sense. Even if you hate metal or don't enjoy Terminal Redux, there is absolutely no way you could give it a sincere 1 or 1.5" HOW DO YOU KNOW? Oh I know.. you just know right? Those type of comments are so dumb it makes me question humanity even more. For example: You could not like the voice and if vocals are a high priority when it comes to you liking stuff it would be a 1.5 real quick. Just one example. I mean... is it really that hard for you to imagine other OPINIONS? A bieber fan could say exactly the same about his albums. See... I have 5 on System Of A Down debut and Pantera's VDOPower. but I can ABSOLUTELY understand why people would give it a 1 or 1.5. It's not even hard to imagine. If you can't see that when it comes to your favorite albums you are just ignorant. That's what taste is all about. Now why would bieber stuff never get a high rating? Because those type of fans mostly (mostly ...because there is always the exception ;)))....(what you don't understand)) don't care enough about the music to care about the rating. So you don't need to be afraid. Nature finds a way. Relatively speaking albums between 3,5-4,2 are the highest rated albums on this site. And a high number of votes holds value as well.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	side note I'm just glad I made a list that is almost as popular as my band naming thread haha. thought it would never happen
Clair 05.27.16	Lol no wonder I can't give White Pony the 'awful' rating
Conmaniac 05.27.16	flak makes some good points. kinda goes back to my overall point that opinions are opinions for a reason, no matter how misinformed others think they are
anat 05.27.16	When it's a point of pride to have obscure 5's, why is it important to some people that their 5's not be blemished by low scores? An album wide-reaching enough to get 3,000 ratings that is above a 4 avg is surely held to larger scrutiny than something lesser known so like what gives who cares
macman76 05.27.16	"flak makes some good points. kinda goes back to my overall point that opinions are opinions for a reason, no matter how misinformed others think they are" would be cool to see what genre-centric users think of particular albums (i.e. metalheads rating of Vektor versus indieheads rating). wonder who could accomplish that
FlakMT 05.27.16	I will never chill when it comes to imbalance & ignorance. Enemy. It can be as small as it gets I don't care. Especially when it's so easy to fix.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	not this site Macman but that would make for a very interesting thing I def agree
Dinosaur 05.27.16	in response....what business do bieber fans have rating Vektor, for example. I respect objectivity and opinions, but really?
Conmaniac 05.27.16	if a Beiber fan actually listens to the album then why shouldn't they be allowed to have an opinion on it? like Flak said it naturally works out because not a lot of people are gonna go through the trouble of listening to an album they know they are not gonna like.
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Flak, you're the one making me question humanity. You can't even read my point through what you wanted to see. What I actually said is that I think it's probably better to provide justification for a rating overall, but particularly in the case of a strongly dissenting opinion. What your reply implies is that I cannot understand why someone would disagree from the majority opinion. Far from it, I fully understand, but I would also like to know why said person made that choice. Those are two completely different ideas.
LewisShaw 05.27.16	How have you only just noticed this pls????? I think they use it because if the consensus for an album leads it to a huge rating like 4.5, it's generally not worth a 1? I mean think about what constitutes a 1/5, and how bad it has to be. If an album has been out for 40 years and received critical acclaim the chances are it doesn't deserve below a 2/5. I'm not saying you can't have the opinion that a 4.5 is worth a 1 but from the site owners point of view, meh
Valkyrion 05.27.16	dude why so much salt you talk to the wrong person too, I have no qualms in going against sput circlejerk (i do it all the time just skim through my ratings), but it's a fact people mostly use 1.0s on top rated albums just to lower the average or because they have bad as fuck rating systems
Conmaniac 05.27.16	Lewis I prob just noticed it because I don't troll rate albums lol. and sure but what about albums like Vektor? it's been out for like a month and people are already not allowed to rate it a 1/1.5
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Con, that's fair, perhaps the threshold should be raised, but it's probably low because less ratings means troll ratings have a higher proportional value to begin with.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	I have so much salt because the system that's in place overall only adds to the destructive circlejerky nature this site encompasses. 100ish metal heads say that this album is superb to classic and because of that there's an instantaneous restriction of having any other opinion on it.
someguest 05.27.16	Sometimes you can 2 it and it will drop it enough to 1 it. It's fun.
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	I mean if it bothers you so much, you could always use another site. That's a serious comment and not a thinly veiled "fuck off." There's other options.
FlakMT 05.27.16	"in response....what business do bieber fans have rating Vektor, for example. I respect objectivity and opinions, but really?" #1 Objectivity doesn't exist here. Only if two or more people agree. We don't agree on Vektor as of right now so there is no objectivity between us. What you call objectivity is trying to be objective, which isn't possible - resulting in subjective objectivity, which is just subjectivity, obviously. #2 What business do bieber fans have rating Vektor? Really? Why should women be allowed to vote? Why should blacks have the same rights? Why should Vektor fans be allowed to rate Bieber? (which happens 100x more for sure, because Bieber fans generally are less likely to be elitists).
Conmaniac 05.27.16	kinda tempted to start doing that just to fight the system lol. but I realize that would be kinda hypocritical
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Hell, make your own site for that matter. Maybe it'll be better and we can all migrate off these papyrus servers.
someguest 05.27.16	Use this site for what normal people use it for: shitposting/general douchebaggery. rym's a better database, and pitchfork has reviews worth reading.
anat 05.27.16	If an album is well-received enough to hit that 4.4 avg, I don't understand why it would then need protection. Do people not 4.0-5.0 with conviction? If you think the album is that good, why would it matter if someone else didn't?
macman76 05.27.16	i ran the number... *push up by glasses 20 2's would drop vektor from a 4.5 to a 4.4
Valkyrion 05.27.16	>I mean if it bothers you so much, you could always use another site I mean, pretty much everyone knows that sput sucks as far as cataloguing stuff anyway, not even an option for mass edit smh
Conmaniac 05.27.16	it only bothers me because I like this site in the first place spaceship. every site has its flaw though obviously and this one is no excepting. using another site like RYM is something I've already started doing awhile ago though but I enjoy both
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Holy shit Flak I had hope we could have a civil conversation but with point number two I'm going to stoop low and just invite you to go back to your safe space on tumblr my friend. Can we have a bit of perspective? This is an arbitrary rating system on a moderately recognized music site. We aren't talking about sufferage and civil rights here, come on man or woman.
someguest 05.27.16	"it only bothers me because I like this site in the first place spaceship. every site has its flaw though obviously and this one is no excepting. using another site like RYM is something I've already started doing awhile ago though but I enjoy both" then what is the fucking problem?
anat 05.27.16	I could never use RYM because the populace is too large and my voice would trail in the wind more than it does here
someguest 05.27.16	You put too much value in your voice.
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Yeah, and I'd prefer you stay bro, you are a good contributor to the site. But my point is just that, in the grand scheme of things, this site is pretty great. Everything has its flaws and they merit discussion, but let's not totally lose perspective here like our friend Flak here.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	not sure if that was a joke or not someguest. I guess I'm not allowed to complain about stupid rules on a site I enjoy using?
someguest 05.27.16	If your butt is hurting you've already lost.
LewisShaw 05.27.16	"what about albums like Vektor? it's been out for like a month and people are already not allowed to rate it a 1/1.5" That's a good point, there should be a time and average limit that work together. Like it has to have above 4.4 and have been released for X amount of time "Sometimes you can 2 it and it will drop it enough to 1 it." That's so fucking evil hahaha
Mystletainn 05.27.16	Flak is having a melt down
Conmaniac 05.27.16	flak makes good points though but he is much more vigorous about it I must admit
someguest 05.27.16	"That so fucking evil hahaha" : )
anat 05.27.16	"You put too much value in your voice." You don't put enough value in my voice
Valkyrion 05.27.16	>Holy shit Flak I had hope we could have a civil conversation but with point number two I'm going to stoop low and just invite you to go back to your safe space on tumblr my friend point #1 is even worse man
Conmaniac 05.27.16	someguest lol I'm creating discussion. if you would scroll up there are a lot of opinions on this topic and people that disagree with me are making constructive points instead of telling me to "just leave".
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Yeah I'm convinced Flak is trolling, how Vektor and Beiber votes on Sputnik jump straight to minority rights and women's sufferage is mind boggling. You should speak to Elon Musk, he would be very interested in how you managed to accelerate a small object so incredibly fast. It's his California transit pet project, more or less.
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Valk I guess I'm used to people making idiotic blanket statements like "there is no objectivity" and thinking they mean anything.
someguest 05.27.16	You're not the first guy to bring it up. It's a rule with a purpose because we have more trolling than any other music site on the web. You can't expect people who run around in topics saying "lolbuttz" to be able to function without guidance, do you?
parksungjoon 05.27.16	honestly i find it more concerning that people should hate something for the sole reason that others love it but heyyyyy what do i knowwww
Conmaniac 05.27.16	someguest I'm just making the point that I think the so called "guidance" is flawed
FlakMT 05.27.16	You tell me I should quit the discussion because the topic is not important enough to talk about? If it's not important to you, YOU go back to your Tumblr site. But still, you are here. I see.. I see.. What you just wrote down, that mindset is excatly the problem of the rating system.
someguest 05.27.16	Everything is flawed.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	also someguest I just checked your ratings lol.
someguest 05.27.16	lmao I don't rate music. I live it.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	and some things are more flawed than others. this is why change occurs because people realize obvious flaws and find solutions to them
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	I'm still waiting for you to accurately address my point above, Flak, where you willfully misinterpreted my arguement. However I assume you've spent your time in college learning how to get mad at people and create conspiracy theories rather than learn how to think critically and articulate your positions accurately.
someguest 05.27.16	I think once you get lost in some more adult problems you won't give two shits about a ratings rule on a music web site. Wouldn't that be a change?
anat 05.27.16	By the same token tho can't we just lift the restrictions bro
someguest 05.27.16	Don't tell my secrets to the masses. I can't lose the independent credibility I have with myself.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	lol thx for talking down to me someguest. if I'm supposed to "not give two shits about a ratings rule on a music web site" then you surely shouldn't give two shits about arguing with me about it with all your "adult problems" weighing you down
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Con has a point there, haha.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	arcade lol I think you're missing my point
FlakMT 05.27.16	But it's not about you. I have listed many points and most of them didn't address you. Also have mercy when it comes to me articulating my posions, I am not a native english speaker. I find extreme examples to be very useful. Because to me it IS the same problem just on a much smaller scale. "What business do bieber fans have rating Vektor?" Come on... I can't have a little fun answering to that shit? Explanations in this case are hopeless anyway.
anat 05.27.16	The site will eventually restrict all 1.0 ratings and then what the fuck is someguest gonna do? Exclusively 5.0 and 2.0 ratings just aren't as avant garde
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	Flak, apologies that you aren't a native speaker and I addressed you as such, but you must understand where the extreme nature of your comparisons when we are talking about rating music doesn't exactly help me take you seriously.
Spacesh1p 05.27.16	And the fact that you said I'm making you lose faith in humanity. That bit as well lol.
Valkyrion 05.27.16	no way, I am making him lose faith in humanity. don't ever take that right away from me
Keyblade 05.27.16	"I don't rate music. I live it." edgy af
PattBraderson 05.27.16	I feel like we should hammer this with 2's until those who legit rate this a 1 pr 1.5 can do so
Keyblade 05.27.16	^ and this is why it exists
BlacKapes 05.27.16	son of a bitch i cant rate in the aeroplane over the sea a 1 even tho i really fucking hate that album with a passion
Conmaniac 05.27.16	I wouldn't be opposed but I'm not sure who honestly wants to 1/1.5 it. I know I don't
FlakMT 05.27.16	That's ok space. You still care enough to answer multiple times. Now you must anwer "because it's amusing" right? Otherwise a comeback is difficult. Typical forum stuff.
Conmaniac 05.27.16	key I think you have it backwards. the only reason I would do such a thing is because it exists in the first place
PattBraderson 05.27.16	I have a hard time conceiving that a thrash album in 2016 getting steady 5's
Conmaniac 05.27.16	this is bigger than accuracy of ratings friend. but who cares is right whatever I know. I just like to express my distaste
Keyblade 05.27.16	i know con, but i mean just the fact that ppl even have the notion of manipulating the ratings
PattBraderson 05.27.16	I haven't heard it so I'm not gonna throw ratings around for the sake of it cause I'm a loser and take ratings way too seriously but the fact that you arent allowed to say some shits awful cause a bunch of people thinks is a classic is horseshit
Conmaniac 05.27.16	but manipulating the ratings in order to allow for equal ratings is understandable imo
Conmaniac 05.27.16	yep Patt agreed lol
CaimanJesus 05.27.16	Yeah, but you're damaging Ween's average in the process
anat 05.27.16	does it being current year facilitate that certain genres are restricted, or?
Conmaniac 05.27.16	poor Ween
ScuroFantasma 05.27.16	"that's weird, cause if you look at other 4.4 plus albums, there are 1.5 votes" Would've been rated before it hit 4.3 average
Conmaniac 05.27.16	just thought of another point. the system in place actually encourages Alts to be made so that an album can achieve an untouchable status. this prob happens a lot too
FlakMT 05.27.16	Other than that, the point where stuff repeats itself up in this bitch is long gone lol
Dinosaur 05.28.16	#2 What business do bieber fans have rating Vektor? Really? Why should women be allowed to vote? Why should blacks have the same rights? Why should Vektor fans be allowed to rate Bieber? (which happens 100x more for sure, because Bieber fans generally are less likely to be elitists). umm.... what business do bieber fans have rating vektor?
Spacesh1p 05.28.16	Indeed, Flak. Thanks for another comment boost Con, this and your band name thread are probably 80% of my comment legacy on this site.
Dinosaur 05.28.16	who is this..."bieber".
Conmaniac 05.28.16	Hahahaha so true spaceship
FlakMT 05.28.16	oh man Dinosaur
parksungjoon 05.28.16	"I have a hard time conceiving that a thrash album in 2016 getting steady 5's" are you familiar with this band or just talking out yer arse
Sevengill 05.28.16	to be fair, they're the only one I know of that elicits universal enthusiasm around here. them and Voivod, maybe. Revocation, Havok, maybe Battlecross would be in the second tier
parksungjoon 05.28.16	voivod is an old band dude what are you smoking and more to the point their old stuff is a lot better than their new
NLD 05.28.16	I mean it is surprising to see a thrash album get that many 5s tbh, 99% of thrash albums these days are gonna get called out for having shitty production or being knockoffs of the classics
parksungjoon 05.28.16	it's only surprising if you're unfamiliar with vektor i recognise how it comes across to the uninitiated, but they're honestly in a class of their own compared to all the revival crap, and it kind of pains me to say this as because why wouldn't i want more bands to be good but they just ain't
Sinternet 05.28.16	Fucking hell 200 comments already why the fuck do you all care about some dumb rating system like jesus do you not have any problems other than trying to 1 a Vektor album
parksungjoon 05.28.16	thats also a good point
NLD 05.28.16	I'm not saying they don't deserve it, just that it is unexpected. I mean I didn't expect the new album to be this good though I had heard and liked their previous two
hal1ax 05.28.16	i mean is 2ing something just not enough? if you truly feel like a 2 does not properly convey your hatred for that new vektor album, you should just not rate it, or not listen to metal, or both
parksungjoon 05.28.16	on the other hand, this thread was truly something to behold
Asdfp277 05.28.16	or y'all could chill
Conmaniac 05.28.16	Jesus Christ Vektor isn't the issue lol
Trundle 05.28.16	why care about a rating system? Srsly this is just a music site about rating music, idk why you're all worked up...
Snake. 05.28.16	how did this list get so fucking long
Conmaniac 05.28.16	cuz it's a hot topic to talk about apparently. and lol pb I'm not gonna repeat myself for the hundredth time. why ask stupid questions?
Trundle 05.28.16	^ Con, i was being sarcastic, i actually completely agree with you
Evreaia 05.28.16	I've been here for nearly 5 years and didn't even knew I couldn't 1 classic albums. Maybe because I never finish an album that I really dislike and might rate a 1 or 1.5 and I'm sure as hell not going to go out of my way to rate such shite.
parksungjoon 05.28.16	see evreaia but you're implying these people actually listen to it and don't just 1 it out of spite that others like it
Conmaniac 05.28.16	sorry pb ):
Flugmorph 05.28.16	truly inspiring to read through this thread
FrozenVain 05.28.16	Free the 1
magicuba 05.28.16	some genuine discussion, but again voting a 2 is not so different from voting a 1. If we forget about the personal factor of having to vote a probably good album slightly higher, and I think we can overlook it, the only problem is the little boost that high rated albums take. On that, I agree it is disturbing.
Confucius 05.28.16	I like the rule, but I can't rate The Shape of Punk to Come because of it.
Sinternet 05.28.16	'On that, I agree it is disturbing.' yep really disturbing that you can't assign an arbitrary number to some music i am quite disturbed tbqh
Flugmorph 05.28.16	kinda equally disturbing that its forbidden to assign an arbitrary number to some music ayyyyyyyee?
CapnJizz 05.29.16	This is dumb. If I want to rate something how I feel about it there shouldn't be restrictions saying "you have to like it because everybody else does."
CapnJizz 05.29.16	And nobody goes onto a site giving "troll" ratings to look cool on the internet.
ArsMoriendi 05.29.16	"And nobody goes onto a site giving "troll" ratings to look cool on the internet." Didn't SnakeDelilah admit to doing exactly this when he first joined?
NLD 05.29.16	I mean I'm sure some people definitely have
CapnJizz 05.29.16	Wow some people just lead even sadder existences than I thought
NLD 05.29.16	Eh a lot of people go through that phase in middle school / early high school where they think they have to have different opinions to make themselves stand out or some bullshit
PortalofPerfection 05.29.16	You could just not rate it...?
Asdfp277 05.29.16	u could also not give a shit whether he rates it or no, and so on and so forth
Conmaniac 05.29.16	lol why is this still getting bumped
Conmaniac 05.29.16	smh cuz people still think I wanna give Vektor a 1 I DONT I HAVENT EVEN LISTENED TO IT CAN YOU READ?
Trundle 05.29.16	let people vote albums what they want to, it's not like there's going to be a huge change in album ratings...if you can weed out alts, like no one visits this site ffs, what image are they trying to save
Conmaniac 05.29.16	not about image, it's about making sure their fav albums are everyone's fav albums
Asdfp277 05.29.16	i mean portal came here specifically because of vektor but
parksungjoon 05.29.16	"And nobody goes onto a site giving "troll" ratings to look cool on the internet." lmao
CapnJizz 05.29.16	I just really want to give that vektor album the rating I think it deserves
PortalofPerfection 05.29.16	"I DON'T I HAVEN'T EVEN LISTENED TO IT" My comment wasn't directed at you honestly, it was more of a general "if one cannot attach a number of one's desire to an ablum, whether it be a 5 or a 1, then one can leave said albm unrated and move on with one's life" "Like no visits this site ffs" Artists who wrote these albums visit this site all the time. And if I were them I would be sad (if not surprised) at someone who didn't even listen to my album or really give it a chance a 1 because it's sitting to high on the charts for their liking.
PortalofPerfection 05.29.16	In anticipation, "but I really did listen and I really do think it's a 1!" Then my comment is not directed at you, but if think there aren't plenty of users here that do that then I admire your nievety; you can blame them for this admittedly questionable rule.
Ocean of Noise 05.29.16	I think people should be allowed to give any album any rating. I also think we should get rid of objectivity ratings, because they're a big part of why people give unfair 1's and 1.5's.
parksungjoon 05.29.16	wait people still care about the objectivity stat?
Ocean of Noise 05.29.16	Yup. And lots of people rate albums they've never actually heard in order to raise their objectivity ratings. That, in my opinion, is a bigger problem than people having and voicing strongly dissenting opinions towards classic albums.
parksungjoon 05.29.16	damn didnt know its still 2010
PortalofPerfection 05.29.16	^^^This guy is onto something.
Conmaniac 05.29.16	ocean of noise is right tho you see a lot more of Alts giving high ratings to albums than the opposite.
parksungjoon 05.29.16	i think you're just paranoid tbh
Conmaniac 05.29.16	nah I'm just stating the truth
parksungjoon 05.29.16	that's sad
Conmaniac 05.29.16	but it's the sadness I chose