G0atC0re: First Metalcore Album Ever?

eatdirtfartdust12 03.28.16	G.I.S.M. - M.A.N. may or may not intrigue you. It's like 80's Japanese hardcore + Discharge meets straight heavy metal like Maiden.
Mort. 03.28.16	from what ive heard its Hogans Heroes, but ive never actually checked them out. think i added them to the database tho
torts 03.28.16	jane doe obv
DoctorDoom 03.28.16	G.I.S.M. is incredible, great reference, friend. Could also argue side B of black flag's my war but I know that's a stretch.
G0atC0re 03.28.16	jane doe or shitlist
DoctorDoom 03.28.16	Good mantra for every Sputnik list.
owen 03.28.16	I still can't get into Starkweather's new stuff Catharsis - Passion Pulling Teeth - Funerary Cave In - Until Your Heart Stops Coalesce Damnation AD Shai Hulud Discharge - Grave New World Spitfire
WellFedWhiteMale 03.28.16	Hogan's Heroes. First metalcore record I listened to was Snapcase's "Progression Through Unlearning"
DoctorDoom 03.28.16	What don't you like about new Starkweather?
Mort. 03.28.16	New starkweather does suck agreed Never been a fan of them tho tbh
Sevengill 03.28.16	Huh, I've always figured Slaughter of the Soul laid the groundwork for metalcore, even if it's still melodeath. Gonna have to look through these.
Mort. 03.28.16	na there is defo a subsection of metalcore that was directly inspired and influenced by melodeath but a lot of it has really nothing to do with that scene
adr 03.28.16	still haven't heard Rorschach
Mort. 03.28.16	dude get on protestant sharpish
accompliceofmydeath 03.28.16	How the fuck have I never heard of Hogan's Heroes?! Pending listening to that, I've always thought Rorschach, Starkweather and Integrity were pretty much the first. There were plenty of other bands combining metal and hardcore before then, but I think those bands really helped mold it into what it became.
Mort. 03.28.16	not many people do seem to have heard of hogans heroes, i only added them to the database after reading bout them on the metalcore wikipedia page hahaha
accompliceofmydeath 03.28.16	Haha, I guess it's been a few years since I've visited that. Definitely gonna check 'em out though. Good lookin' out.
accompliceofmydeath 03.28.16	I'm only about five songs in on Hogan's Heroes, but I wouldn't be comfortable in calling this metalcore. Pretty much just hardcore/crossover. Not bad at all though.
owen 03.28.16	"What don't you like about new Starkweather?" The theatrical clean vocals. Their split with Overmars was nice though
AnimalsAsSummit 03.28.16	as a side note this list is badass
G0atC0re 03.28.16	I think personally, Those Who Fear Tomorrow is the first fully metalcore album. It's sound is unequivocally, undeniably metalcore. Remain Sedate, although a few months older, is a bit of a grey area, as far as being metalcore as we know it today. Hogan's Heroes is definitely crossover, but not 'true' metalcore.
Muisc4Life26 03.28.16	The first MC album I ever heard was Shadows Are Secruity By AILD but check Botch Underoath ABR Converge
Mort. 03.29.16	Loooooooool at that comment
G0atC0re 03.29.16	Thanks for the recs Muisc, but yeah covered all of those a bit already haha
JokineAugustus 03.29.16	Col. Clinkcore! SHULTZ SHULTZ!!! I SEE NOTHING!!!!
demigod! 03.29.16	discharge
Snake. 03.29.16	the poison by bfmv
DoctorDoom 03.29.16	Unbroken is great an innovative but I think integrity beat them to the punch. Possibly Rorschach as well.
G0atC0re 03.29.16	I agree Doom. Unbroken are great, one of my favs, although Life. Love. Regret is just a few years too late to be considered one of the first. Ritual came out in 1993 and although it is a bit rough sounding, and not as good as Life. Love. Regret, it is one of the first metalcore albums ever released. Integrity and maybe Rorschach are the first.
AnimalsAsSummit 03.29.16	2 is amazing
vivalove 03.29.16	I recommend Kiss It Goodbye if you're into Deadguy.
DoctorDoom 03.29.16	Yeah, didn't they have a member or two from Deadguy?
G0atC0re 03.29.16	Yeah I know Kiss It Goodbye. Jam them heaps.
Mort. 03.29.16	kiss it goodbye, deadguy and rorschach all shared members
majordevlin 07.26.16	yeah Not waving but drowning Strife One king down Vision of Disorder Candiria
Gameofmetal 07.26.16	Killswitch Engage - As Daylight Dies edit: lol old thread revival for the win
Spec 07.26.16	waking the fallen and sounding the seventh trumpet
demigod! 07.27.16
BigPleb 07.27.16	3 is the hardest jam
TVC15 07.27.16	My comment got deleted when my comments got wiped a month or so ago but: Unbroken - Life. Love. Regret. I don't give a damn how wrong I may be but just throwing it out there lol