UpwardSpiral
03.05.16 | Emo, screamo, (post)hardcore, sometimes it is hard to define. I don't really care about the opinion of the general public. If they would listen to the awesome bands you listed it would probably still considered to be shit/weird by most people. |
Artuma
03.05.16 | roughly, emo was born with bands like rites of spring in the 80s and then in the 90s it went different directions, the most prevalent of which are midwest emo (indie stuff) and screamo. i wouldn't classify brand new as emo although they have some elements of it |
Mort.
03.05.16 | i dont really think emo is much of a useful term anymore because of this problem so its usually best to just clarify what type of emo you are referring to. I have no problem with say, I hate myself being labelled emo or say Algernon Cadwallader but id just clarify what sort of emo i guess |
Valkyrion
03.05.16 | general public doesn't know what genres mean anyway. im sure if you say screamo or emo around here or other music dedicated communities there are no problems |
oltnabrick
03.05.16 | Marijuana Is Not A Harmful Drug; In Fact, It Is Much Safer Than Alcohol And Tobacco. |
adr
03.05.16 | oltna you're retarded |
magicuba
03.05.16 | it is frustarting though that so many nice screamo bands are overshadowed by the ridicolous emo 3rd gen shitty electronic castratated high-pitched vocal bands and by the awful scene they spawned. Emo is then despised also by metal supporters, which is kinda ridicolous if you think that a band like Orchid is often " heavier" or more aggressive than many metal bands |
Mort.
03.05.16 | "ridicolous emo 3rd gen shitty electronic castratated high-pitched vocal bands and by the awful scene they spawned"
well tbh these bands your referring to are generally called metalcore or post hardcore now these days anyway and even then the whole emo look and subculture has sort of died out, look at the way these guys dress and look now, its a totally different style to ten years ago to the point where i dont even see how anyone could call them emo even from just look |
Alastor
03.05.16 | emo is a furry red monster |
Artuma
03.05.16 | "ridicolous emo 3rd gen shitty electronic castratated high-pitched vocal bands and by the awful scene they spawned"
if what you mean is bands like asking alexandria then that has nothing to do with emo |
Funeralopolis
03.05.16 | People on this website understand what emo means so who cares, most people think any metal is screamo. |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | What exactly was emo born from?
A generation who didn't have the capability to question and took everything at face value.
Total lack of substance but it doesn't matter cos whoseitsfaces hair looks amazing. 'Feels' |
bakkermaarten007
03.05.16 | Misplaced is probably the prevailing sentiment when it comes to emo.
When the fit is right, there is no explaining necessary |
bakkermaarten007
03.05.16 | "A generation who didn't have the capability to question and took everything at face value."
Quite the opposite. Concerning true emo ofc, not derivative pop bands |
oltnabrick
03.05.16 | Around 40% of Americans have already admitted to using marijuana. |
trve
03.05.16 | deafheaven is screamo |
bakkermaarten007
03.05.16 | To really grasp the definition of emo you basically need to go back to the start with Rites of Spring, Moss Icon,... and discern the differences with traditional hardcore punk. You'll notice more itrospective lyrics, more juxtaposed silent parts with louder parts and a certain atmosphere that's hard to describe.
Then trail its path to more modern screamo (hardcore emo) bands like Saetia or Tristan Tzara after you halt somewhere in the mid nineties to explore Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, the Appleseed Cast,... to see how they have infused some of these newfound hardcore aesthetics into their sounds that's basically a more agressive indie sound with very pretty moments and very hars moments.
Then you will understand and see how certain poppier bands like later Jimmy Eat World or Taking Back Sunday took some of these aesthetics as well but polished it so much that it loses some cherished aspect: sincerity. I think that is key in defining what emo really is and really isn't.
Jimmy Eat World for instance still 'gets away' with the emo label because they were among the founding fathers of the midwest emo scene (with the twinkly guitars), but honestly none of the albums after Clarity was really emo.
Ofcourse the label is confusing when newspapers even use it to name their polls in capturing the public's sentiments... |
bakkermaarten007
03.05.16 | I'd never use the term in front of a layman though. If you would, you'd have more trouble fighting through all the stereotypes than discussing the music itself. |
Hep Kat
03.05.16 | I was having this conversation earlier with my wife and some friends of hers who are also fairly well-appraised of the DIY punk scene.
Basically, emo music spawned out of the Revolution Summer DC hardcore scene, forefronted by Dischord bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace, which were acts that were short-lived and produced very minimal recorded material, but would go on to have a far-reaching impact on the DIY punk scene worldwide. The torch was then passed in the early 90s to labels such as Jade Tree and Taang! who released a great deal of seminal 90s emo records. As the 90s wore on, the Midwest emo scene started to burgeon and take the focus off of the Rev Summer-style emo acts, and placed an emphasis more on indie/College Radio rock-influenced emo, the pinnacle of this probably being American Football's LP, which gave birth to the so-called "twinklie" emo that would slowly gain momentum as the 21st century broke.
However, in the early-to-mid 2000s the term "emo" was appropriated by more mainstream music outlets to describe the explosion of post-hardcore and pop-punk bands of the Northeast coast of the US, and thusly, emo became something of a bastardized perjorative term. With the advent of social media, millenials became from aware of what true emo is, and began to embrace the revitalization of Midwest-style emo that began to gain steam in the latter years of the last decade, until today. This is the kind of emo that "labels" such as Topshelf make their money off of.
As for screamo, technically, emo IS short for emotive hardcore, and screamo was in and of itself originally a perjorative term within the DIY punk community to belittle the emotive hardcore community. Early examples of screamo acts, such as Heroin, are more akin to Rev Summer/Dishord DC emo than anything else. However, by the time bands such as Saetia and the many bands that fall under that band tree were releasing music, screamo had begun to shit more from hardcore punk roots to a more complex, post-hardcore-influenced sound. Then in the mid-2000s you had bands such as Envy garnering acclaim at the forefront of the screamo scene for infusing elements of post-rock into their music, which is generally the prevailing type of popular screamo today, whether it be in the North American, UK, French, Swedish, or Japanese scenes. |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | "I was having this conversation earlier with my wife and some friends of hers who are also fairly well-appraised of the DIY punk scene."
And there we have the single greatest comment in history. |
Tunaboy45
03.05.16 | bored, middle class, suburban, white teenagers who needed a way to vent their 'problems'
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someguest
03.05.16 | You display great irony, Tunaboy45. I appreciate that. |
Hep Kat
03.05.16 | Actually, emo was founded by dudes like Guy Picciotto and Ian Mackaye who were well-educated, well-spoken, working class mid-20somethings from the hood who had already cut their teeth in the punk and hardcore scene so |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | We are going to start a band hep bro. |
Hep Kat
03.05.16 | I'm already in a band. Preachy Cunt demo tape coming late spring/early summer '16 on Snot Rocket Rex ๐๐ |
Calc
03.05.16 | You display great irony, Tunaboy45. I appreciate that. [2] |
Tunaboy45
03.05.16 | thanks man, I try my best y'know? |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | I'll sort the merch then.
Rip up t-shirts and put nonsensical slogans on 'em. 'Your choice is no choice' and what have you. Post em out to the fanbase. |
Tunaboy45
03.05.16 | In all seriousness I do like a handful of bands you could consider emo and I completely get the appeal- heck The Future Is Cancelled is one of my favourite albums of the last few years and most people consider that to be emo.
If anything, the emo tag gets thrown around and misused too often. |
Tunaboy45
03.05.16 | @zak you need pictures of fluorescent monsters and aliens too
https://images.backstreetmerch.com/images/products/bands/clothing/etfa/bsi_etfa25.GIF
http://www.eblastshop.fr/10371-productZoom/asking-alexandria-t-shirt-gargoyle.jpg
https://images.backstreetmerch.com/images/products/bands/clothing/pkwd/bsi_pkwd35.GIF |
Hep Kat
03.05.16 | sorry zak but my nigga scumbag steve is gonna be our merch guy, but u can be our hype man/lead groupie/fangirl |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | Because it became so bastardised like everything post '99.
"emo" was never a thing, teen brats absolutely desperate to cling to something where absolutely fuck all existed flew the flag for MCR and dross of that ilk. Then the term crops up and dilutes a trillion bands who actually had 'something' years before and moments later "emo" becomes legit and TDAG is the greatest album of all time.
Absolutely fucking ridiculous. |
ArsMoriendi
03.05.16 | Why does half of zak's points have to do with bashing TDaG? |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | Because it's nothing more than a less theatrical MCR and yet it's treated like fucking Bringing it all back home.
That is fact. |
ArsMoriendi
03.05.16 | Yeah, but you'll like it bring it up when it's irrelevant. Like I think you were bashing it on a thread for The Doors once when no one was talking about Brand New. |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | :D |
claygurnz
03.05.16 | Zak has a dartboard in his house with the bullseye replaced by a picture of Jesse Lacey. |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | I don't hate 'em I just think they're shit. I absolutely hate how the youth are sucked in by bullshit completley oblivious and yet it's so blindingly obvious.
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claygurnz
03.05.16 | Lol Zak what youth? Not in the UK, their too busy listening to Grime and brainless pop music. I'd never even heard of Brand New before I joined this site. |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | Anyone remember a.c acoustics? They did an album around '98 called Victory Parts.
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ArsMoriendi
03.05.16 | My sister met Brand New during some album signing years ago (I think it was for Daisy?), I only really knew who they were because of her though. Never liked 'em, but I think your hatred towards them is a little unwarranted. |
Mort.
03.05.16 | i dont even see brand new as that emo or anything zaks obsession is just strange and weird like holy fuck man have a wank if your that pent up |
zakalwe
03.05.16 | It was '97. Good album that. That was never termed 'emo' |
Asdfp277
03.05.16 | "I absolutely hate how the youth are sucked in by bullshit completley oblivious and yet it's so blindingly obvious."
like u liking corporate nirvana? |
zakalwe
03.06.16 | 25yrs before Nirvana a lot happened.
25yrs after Nirvana and any 'alt band' still look like Kurt. There's a reason for that.
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ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | "any 'alt band'"
I could name a lot of alt. bands that don't look like Kurt/Nirvana/grunge lol |
zakalwe
03.06.16 | Go on then |
ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | Wait does the band have to be from 25 years after Nirvana or can they be any alt band at all? (Especially since alt. rock has been around since the early 80s.) |
zakalwe
03.06.16 | After Nirvana |
Mort.
03.06.16 | ars if you cant even comprehend his original point which was pretty clear why are you even bothering |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | case in point- no alt rock band in the last 25 years were as big as nirvana |
Asdfp277
03.06.16 | radiohead doesn't exist yea |
zakalwe
03.06.16 | Radiohead?
As in circa '92 Radiohead when they may as well have been called radiovana |
ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | I mean when it comes to commerciality, Nirvana was bigger than Radiohead. |
DoofusWainwright
03.06.16 | People on this site are always wondering how all these different sounding bands were labelled 'grunge'
They were thrown together due to a shared attitude, a shared energy, and partially a shared geography
Scenes and genres are now more about the need for a label, minutiae and nerdo technicalities |
ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | "ars if you cant even comprehend his original point which was pretty clear why are you even bothering"
I get his point, but it was such a ridiculous point that I wanted to make sure he meant what I read. |
MyNameIsPencil
03.06.16 | while i would say it's used accurately more often than not, it's also become ridiculously vague |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | Radiohead stopped being a real alt rock band when they dropped OK Computer. |
ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | What? OK Computer is alt. rock as fuck. |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | it has alt rock moments but overall I'd say it stays away from that tag |
zakalwe
03.06.16 | The question was me getting sucked in by 'bullshit' in the form of Nirvana at the time.
The only thing I can suggest is watch the '92 MTV awards. And I mean watch it all until Nirvana come on.
They got rid of the bullshit. |
ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | Just because it strays a little from the tag, doesn't mean it's not alt rock. Dude Kid A would've made more sense, but even Kid A has alt. rock elements. |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | Climbing Up The Walls, Exit Music and Karma Police are definitely more experimental rock than alt rock |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | Of course there is alt rock on the album but just throwing that tag onto it is doing it a massive disservice. It'd be like calling Dark Side Of The Moon a 'rock n roll' album. |
ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | Karma Police is classic alternative piano rock dude.
Climbing Up The Walls is pretty experimental for OK Computer, but it's experimental alternative at best. |
Jots
03.06.16 | it's alt rock but you could call it art rock if you feel so inclined |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | Alt rock is such a broad and vague term that you could put any rock album with some distortion and the "perishing alt rock voice", I just think OK Computer avoids the conventions of the genre. |
ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | Some conventions maybe, but not enough to say they're no longer "real alt. rock" especially when Hail to the Thief and In Rainbows are mostly alt. rock too. |
Asdfp277
03.06.16 | long time no see a genre discussion |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | unfortunately man, yeah |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | Let's just nip this one in the bud right now- alt rock is very subjective because of how vague and nondescript it is. What one person calls alt rock may be another person's art rock. At the end of the day it means nothing because the music stays the same. |
ArsMoriendi
03.06.16 | Yeah genres are subjective to a point.
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Jots
03.06.16 | well at the end of the day radiohead don't need any more discussion so let's nip this in the bud and just not |
Asdfp277
03.06.16 | i still don't see how all alt rock bands imitate kurt cobain in any way at all |
user
03.06.16 | you guys certainly picked the most boring genre to argue about |
Conmaniac
03.06.16 | classic discussion. and you know me and my opinions on the genre :) |
zakalwe
03.06.16 | The aesthetics are all there. They've been there for 25yrs.
25yrs before it was rock, metal, leather, hip-hop, dance. Queen, Bono, Spandau Ballet, Tears for Fears, Wham, Michael Jackson then......
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N49kYRC_EhQ
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Hep Kat
03.06.16 | You fucking idiots are in a thread about emo talking about brand new and radiohead. foh simple simon-ass niggas, kick rocks and go be basic af in some other cut ๐ |
Asdfp277
03.06.16 | people stopped using leather? |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | Johnny Woss took it like a champ |
zakalwe
03.06.16 | Wot a wacket |
Tunaboy45
03.06.16 | wheely wasn't expecting that |
Conmaniac
03.06.16 | wait i havent read the thread yet...why was Radiohead mentioned? |
Conmaniac
03.06.16 | and damn Hep is surprisingly well educated on a genre he usually shits on. props |
Hep Kat
03.06.16 | um...wat. emo is a type of punk music and i am the only true punk left on this site so |
Conmaniac
03.06.16 | also, Hep why do you have 2 AFI albums 5'd and 4.5'd? seems like they would be a band you would hate on. unless im mistaken about AFI... |
Jots
03.06.16 | AFI's early material was coo |
Conmaniac
03.06.16 | was it actually? i have zero knowledge on that band other than the fact they sang that one "Miss Murder" song which is pretty shit |
Hep Kat
03.06.16 | um dude go jam fuckin All Hallow's right now |
MyNameIsPencil
03.06.16 | Art of Drowning is a neat album |
Hep Kat
03.06.16 | Every album Afi released between 1995 and 2003 is fucking fantastic, with several of them being essential punk classics |
ShadowRemains
03.06.16 | malleus maleficarum is one of the best fucking punk songs |
Hep Kat
03.06.16 | well, my personal fave from Black Sails is "Narrative of Soul Against Soul," but "Malleus" is definitely that record's defining anthem |
magicuba
03.06.16 | The thread changed a lot since I last checked. However,I am curious about what is your best emo periodinfluence? Personally, I really like the screamo part of it ( recent and less recent), while I like less the twinklie emo that sometimes hurts my nervos system. Of course, there are exceptions in both categories |
magicuba
03.06.16 | and Hep Kat made a very insightful comment, cheers |
Mort.
03.06.16 | best of anything that can be called emo in my opinion is the whole screamo scene, eg city of caterpillar, orchid, funeral diner, pg 99, jeromes dream etc
basically like the first 4 albums you got liste dhere |
Artuma
03.06.16 | zak has no fucking clue what emo is |
Mort.
03.06.16 | i know Art just let the old man do his thing then maybe he will go back to sleep |
